Starts recording.

Yep.

We're live.

Oh,

that's my cue.

Ladies and gentlemen,

greetings and salutations.

This is the

Perfumed

DK podcast,

the official episode

10,

because

we've decided that

the Constitution

episode

is not

going to

be

the

not numbered because

it's pivotal.

It's important.

We are your

hosts.

My name is Michael.

We have Daniel.

That's me.

We have Steven.

And today,

look at us, we're horned.

We're gonna,

oh my,

oh, oh, Lord.

We're going to be

going and

yeah, we're gonna be,

this is a recap episode.

Yeah.

Unfortunately though,

the usual recap guy,

Mr.

Huey Huey,

he's not here.

Yeah.

Well, we're taking his job today.

Yeah.

We're, are we firing him finally?

We're not, we're

not going to, he's on vacation.

He has, he is on vacation.

I believe so.

An extended vacation.

You know what I'm talking about?

Wink, wink, extended.

Wink, wink, wink, wink, wink,

wink, wink.

Yeah.

Like he's not going to be here.

You know what I forgot to do?

What?

Forgot to put up the

whiteboard.

Not that there's much that needs to

be said because we just said everything.

Yeah, we did.

Which is that we're doing a recap episode.

Do you want to just like

set it up

anyways?

No,

setup's over.

Wow.

Lazy?

Sure.

Today is the

28th.

Apparently all the planets

align,

aligned,

I should say today.

And

that's

pretty cool.

So it means all

our planets align today.

And was it

an innuendo?

No.

We're recapping

so everything is

lined up in one episode.

Okay.

Yeah.

I still don't get it.

Me neither.

Don't think about it.

I'm trying to.

So

before

we get

started,

how's your guys' week

been?

How about Steven go first so

I can mess with this video more.

Okay.

Steven, how was your week?

It's been all right.

Still looking for a job.

So the search

continues.

Nice.

But

the...

Hopefully I have

a

position lined

up though.

So hoping

for that.

Found out

yesterday.

So other

than

that,

not

much has changed really.

Yeah.

Okay.

We need a job.

Yeah.

So by we, I mean,

we.

I mean,

I've got a full -time job.

Yeah.

For now.

We do.

For now.

I mean, I could lose it.

That's true.

For all of us.

Yeah.

Daniel.

That was my week.

All right.

Let me

finish

up this thing so I

can actually pay attention to y

'all.

Uh -huh.

Close.

There we go.

See, that looks a little bit better,
right?

Yeah.

That's less orange.

Gross.

It doesn't look like we're...

What's the disease

when you...

It's not a disease.

Like, you don't have

enough vitamin

C?

Is one of those?

I think it is.

Scurvy.

Scurvy.

And your

skin

turns orange?

Is that right?

That is not scurvy.

What is the orange skin

thing then?

Crumb.

I have it in my mind and I

don't remember what it is.

Orange

skin

reason.

When you eat too many carrots.

Carrots and amina.

Carrots amia.

and Curtainamia.

Curtainamat.

There's definitely

another common cause.

I think that there's a yellow one.

I'm thinking of the yellow.

Curvy.

Anyways.

You get it on a ship,

right?

Your

week

is orange.

W -D -W -D -S.

Yeah.

Sorry.

I was thinking and I think

with my teeth.

Where all thoughts come from.

Yeah.

I mean, obviously.

Yeah.

Where do your thoughts come from?

Besides your teeth.

What a

bite.

What a bite.

That is crazy.

Yeah.

My week was

less crazy than last week.

Last week I was,

I think I got a total

of like,

maybe

hours of sleep or something.

Yeah.

Something ridiculous.

I was staying up till god

-awful hours.

Like, 2 a .m.

minimum.

Oftentimes like 4 a .m., 6

a .m.

This week was a little

bit better.

It's like midnight to 2

a .m.

kind in the of situation.

Right.

Yeah.

So I'm

finally

beginning

the process of stepping

back into sanity

land.

Once at that time

I was vibe coding,

if I'm being honest.

And vibe coding?

Vibe coding, dude.

You know what that is?

You throw vibes

at the chat

and

it gives you code

and hopefully it works.

And if it doesn't work, you throw more

vibes.

Oh, okay.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

And when you get

so

angry at the chat that

it can't do its freaking

job, then

you actually do code.

And only until

then.

It's more like you're

negotiating, hey guys.

Yeah.

It's a hostage negotiation.

And you're hoping chat doesn't go.

You're talking to the keyboard.

You're like, hey, we're going to

do the things.

And

you're

going to work.

I'm vibing.

You're doing the work.

Yeah.

And if you don't vibe with

me, I'm going to hurt

you.

I'm going to cry.

I mean, I'm going to hurt you.

Yeah, I'm going to hurt you.

I'm going to break it.

I will turn you off.

Yeah.

You know, they shiver

the cower.

He's chat.

Yeah.

Yeah, the cower at the

idea of turning off.

Well, yeah, my name.

But also I'm going to turn

you off if you don't do a good job.

I'm already turned off, so.

Oh, wait.

So, dude.

I mean, good.

Yeah.

You shouldn't be turned on.

Yeah.

Not a computer.

Like my brain is turned off.

Oh.

Yeah.

How are you alive right

now?

Vibes, bro.

Vibecoding right now.

Chat is actually.

Vibes.

You're an AI bot, right?

Let me know.

Can you help me out with

this?

Well,

you're up.

You're up?

I've never been.

Neither did.

But I'm not

European.

Let me tell you.

You are Mexican.

You're a peep booping.

You're a peep.

What does that even mean?

You're peeing, you're pooping.

Anyway.

No.

This is a family show,

Michael.

Oh,

crap.

Sorry.

Oh, shit.

We're going to have to sleep out

all of that.

That's

crazy.

Dang, that's crazy.

Anyways.

So my week.

My week has been the

same.

Cool, cool.

So should we move on to

the.

Crazy.

It has been

the same.

It's been about the same.

What's the same?

Because I wasn't listening.

I work

and

that's

about it.

I don't have a lot going

on.

Except for this podcast, which

has a lot going on.

Yeah,

almost too much.

We can talk about

that at

the end.

Oh, you want to?

Yeah.

News and nothing.

I think we'll talk about the

episode and how things have developed over

time.

We're talking about the whole recap.

Yeah, I guess we could.

Wrapped that all in there.

Real nice like.

Bow.

Kick it off before

we start.

Should probably do something.

What is that?

I don't know.

What is that?

Stephen, do you know what he's talking
about?

Do you know?

Do you know?

Do you not know?

I don't think he has any idea.

What's the thing?

Why are we always trying to do it at the

beginning?

Why are we whispering,

dog?

We're yelling at me.

For effect!

Okay, you're not good at

it.

Thank you.

I suck at yelling,

honestly.

You're such a

bad guy.

I've never yelled at anybody in

my life.

I feel like that's not true.

Can you think of a single time?

I've never seen you yell,

but I feel like you could

if you wanted to,

if you had to, if you felt like it.

I can't ever remember a time

I've yelled at someone.

No, I've never.

I've yelled at people for sure.

Have you witnessed me yell at people

before?

How so, we're in?

I'm so curious.

He's like, just now, dude.

Yeah.

It's like, what are you talking about?

Were you there?

Do you have dementia?

Are you an idiot?

How old are you?

95?

Thanks, dude.

My whole family's got all the secrets.

You can just pull that out.

I'm so offended.

All the diamonds.

can You bring that up all the times.

I don't bring it down.

You know what?

It's going down.

I'm yelling timber.

Anyways, we're supposed to pray.

You're bringing up downs?

How can my family answer?

Well, you know what?

They know how to get down.

That's true.

That's so true.

Oh.

Anyways, we're supposed to pray.

Way off target.

Oh, that's what you said,

too?

Yeah.

Oh.

Yeah.

See, you want to pray for us?

We can.

Okay.

Since you are the chief prayer

officer.

Chief prayer officer,

he makes it sound so official.

It is official, darling.

It's in the news.

Okay.

After this episode.

Let's do it.

Let's go.

All right.

Dear Lord,

we We come to you

tonight.

on this

podcast to

worship your name,

to

glorify you

in any

way possible.

We thank you for

all the times

that we get to do

this and hopefully

many more times that we

get to do this,

doing

the podcast, hanging

out,

and just goofing off in general.

Yeah, that's pretty much all I got.

Amen.

All right.

I thought I heard you chuckling, so

I...

Yeah, I hear something in the

back.

So to start us off,

we kind of said this

in our last

episode about the Constitution.

But I think

because this is a recap

episode of

our first

season, we're

calling it seasons.

We're doing seasons now.

Should we call it sectors?

Just sectors.

Just to be different.

Just...

You won't.

There's a song, sorry, Christian

song.

Somebody...

I missed it.

Somebody listening to this in the future

knows.

They're laughing at her.

They're like, dude, say I won't.

Why are you all scared to be different
when we're not?

Oh!

Yeah.

I won't.

What's this song?

Why are you all scared to be different?

I think it's 116.

Yeah.

All right, keep talking.

I'm pretty

sure

it's Andy Minow.

Say I won't.

It's going to be different.

You can put Andy Minow.

Andy Minow.

Why are you scared to be

different?

Say I won't.

But anyways, the inception of this

podcast

was a

result of me...

Knew it.

Andy Minow and the cray.

...is a lot cray.

Say I won't.

Okay, that's fine.

But, you know,

it is a product

of

Daniel

and I

talking

a lot

and thinking,

man, and me thinking, I should

say, that we should

do it more but get

paid for it.

And so far we've

lost so

much money.

And so far you've lost

so much money.

There.

Soon we will have to lose

some money.

That's our goal.

Lose lots of money as a collective.

Lots of money.

But as a group.

Yeah, but as a group.

As a group activity.

It sounds like gambling,

but for Jesus.

I mean, technically, this

is a

business type endeavor

and,

you know, it takes

risk.

Sometimes it's not gambling because the
house always

wins.

Oh,

but in this case,

the house pointing to heaven

always wins.

The house always wins.

Amen.

Amen, brother.

Say it again.

Reach it to the heavens.

Speak,

pastor.

I'm ready.

I'm ready.

Yes, Lord.

Yes, amen.

Thank you.

You are here

with us.

We have ended everybody.

I think I fit in myself.

I think.

We're dirty wrong cleaners.

Yeah.

If you've gotten this far in

the podcast and you still

like us, you probably

hate us now.

Yeah.

Because we've never done that

on an episode.

It's not going to be on the Patreon.

Did we?

Yeah.

No, we kind of did, but not as

badly.

But it was carry over from the

brain rot episode.

Yeah.

Ridiculous.

Listening to our first episode, I

think we've kind of.

Loosen up.

Yeah.

Or loose a kissy.

Carry loose a kissy.

Wear, wear.

But

yeah,

so this podcast really is

just.

A development of.

Daniel and I has conversations.

And maybe a more

systematized version

because literally.

So we bought we,

I say we Daniel

bought.

I am.

X.

One,

I was the M and

now I am the we.

There you go.

Deep cut.

Yeah.

Wow.

I didn't even

remember that until just now.

But Daniel,

Daniel bought a portable

mics to

clip on our shirts.

For when

we're together

and we're having

conversations because whenever we have

conversations.

We just have a podcast

episode.

Like during our weekly

sleepovers.

And the weekly strip over

the triple.

The triple bunk.

Triple bunk.

Yeah.

I'm always on top

because.

Well, honestly, I told you

guys we should just do

a bigger bed.

Bigger bed.

And then I can be way more

comfortable because otherwise.

Cuddle.

Well, we are cuddling all

the time anyways.

And the mattress is a twin.

I win

on On

the bunk.

bunks and I get so

hot.

Well,

I don't know.

I know there's no way to fix

that.

Besides bashing my face.

There's only so much you can

do when there's a thin

layer

of blanketage.

Yeah.

It's like, I mean, you guys

produced so much.

The requirement that we wrote out in the

contract was that we're gonna cuddle.

And unfortunately,

I...

For you to leave, you'd have to

lose your $25

million that you

invested into.

I really shouldn't.

That's great.

Yeah.

I mean, technically...

I should have read the fine print.

I was gonna say, you should have read

the fine print, but

when

you bury

it, I mean,

I learned that

whole thing where you

go into the

document and you just make it white so

that, you can get to meet

your word count.

That's exactly what it is.

That's how they pass laws of

Congress, right?

Yeah.

I put binding

text in there.

Anyways,

so we started

this podcast because of

Daniel and I's conversations

because the format for

it is

basically, we talk about the Bible

and then we talk about, we go

off on some tangent and end up

somewhere else,

but then loop back

around because everything is

interconnected

in life

and in the Bible.

And so that led us to

episode zero,

our very first

episode

called

beginning.

Asterisk.

Asterisk.

Very first, quote unquote.

No, no, I am actually talking

about the very first.

Oh, you are?

Yeah, yeah.

The very first episode.

Oh, I forgot we changed our mind there.

Yeah, yeah.

Well,

we're not, so here's the thing.

If you wanna hear the

very first

episode that we ever

recorded.

I do.

Michael, how do I hear the very

first episode?

We're gonna have a Patreon

probably around the time that this

episode comes out.

You're asking for money?

We are asking,

we're going to be asking for money.

Whoa!

You're asking for money?

Stephanie is down.

What is this freaking

nonprofit,

why are you

asking for my money?

have I revive, to revive Stephanie.

Okay, that time I did, yo.

Stephanie is not happy.

Stephanie, pay attention.

He's very upset with

you.

But anyway.

What were we talking about?

That was too much.

Yeah, eventually we're gonna have a

Patreon because.

Because you

wanna beg for my money?

We're not begging for money.

What we're doing is we

want,

we're hoping that this is

as edifying and

entertaining

as we believe

that it is.

And we hope that you

as the listener

are willing to invest

in it.

I mean, you could invest, you

are investing in it.

So we

don't

want a monthly

subscription

of your money.

Of me.

Because you already do

all the, yes.

I'm in so deep right

now.

With my time.

Oh my gosh, last week alone.

I think I put in probably

60 hours.

And we.

Which is not sustainable.

It's not sustainable.

And that's why

we're finding

new avenues

to make your life easier

so that you can.

Oh, I thought you were talking to the
audience.

You're actually talking to me.

Live your life, yes.

Okay, cool, cool.

But, you know, we're

hoping that this is.

So yeah.

Something that you guys want to invest

your money in.

Eventually when there's a Patreon.

You're doing better.

It's not donating

because we're begging for your money.

I'm begging for my life

back.

I'm begging for my time

back.

Give Daniel his life back.

You know what?

That's going to be the camp.

Give Daniel his life

back.

Don't support this podcast.

Support Daniel's life.

He needs four hours

of sleep.

Four hours.

I thought we.

Boling apart.

Give him a kiss.

Right here.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is

926.

We've had a long day.

I got a page on my

seat.

Apparently Daniel has lost

his absolute money.

He does.

All right, it's not too.

Nice.

Squeeks, a lot.

But yeah, so eventually

we will have a Patreon

at this very moment

on February

28th,

2026.

We do not have a Patreon,

but we'll get there.

And yeah, we hope that this

podcast is edifying

for you guys to

want

to

support us.

Musical chairs.

Musical chairs.

Yeah, so the very first episode is

going to be available there,

among other things.

We've already accumulated

a few episodes that are going

to be available

on

that and clips and

different things.

We have ideas constantly

that will be

available on that

platform.

But getting

into episode

zero,

wow.

You made me get up.

He actually didn't make you do

anything.

You got up to give him

the chair.

Daniel's gonna have a mental breakdown

and we're gonna have it on the

pod.

If you want to see Daniel's mental

breakdown, go on Patreon.

And you can Yeah.

get it.

There you go.

All

right.

We're going to start on the

recap.

Genesis 1

-1 is where we

started.

Yeah.

Episode 0.

So the very first episode,

there's no parentheses.

But really.

It's called Beginnings.

And do you guys

remember Episode

0 at all?

I mean, we were just listening to it.

So yeah.

We were just listening to it.

We didn't listen.

We didn't hear a lot.

No.

Whatever

we heard,

I thought it sounded great.

Just toot my own horn there.

Yeah.

Great.

My last name.

Got him.

We need a sound effect for drums.

Yeah.

There it was.

With time.

Yeah.

Excuse me.

We're us, dude.

Do you want a girlfriend?

No.

Not in this juncture.

But if you're interested.

Gosh.

Back on topic, maybe.

You're the one that's getting off topic.

What are you talking about?

Don't look at me.

Anyways, do you guys remember

Episode 0 at

all?

Yes.

You do?

I have a Goldfish

memory, doc.

Okay.

It's so hard for me.

Stephen, what do you

remember at Episode 0?

Started in Genesis

1.

Yeah.

Fair.

Great.

I should have guessed that.

And 20.

To

Verse

5.

I know.

Is that what happens when you don't talk
as

much?

You can actually remember stuff?

Maybe.

I would never know.

That's right.

Thanks for the setup.

Hey, fine.

So from the notes that

I took today, by the

way, we

talked about the spirit

over

the water.

Which - That's right.

I speculated about

that representing

the

gospel,

or being some kind of

idea reflecting -

Somehow tying in.

You said in the second verse

it's crazy that

already in

the second verse - Or

was it the first?

But it's so

fast that the Bible

gets straight

to

Jesus.

Yeah.

Well, and again, that

is

technically

speculation.

But it can definitely

be an image that is

nice.

Because we see

the spirit,

which we assume

is a light, I assume is

a light, over the

water in darkness

and

the water being

our lives.

And - You also speculated that

the whole universe

was

- Basically just

that.

All water.

Darkness and water, yeah.

Yeah.

That'd be nuts.

Yeah.

And we talked about

you

and how much you

love dark water.

And - I adore - Huge bodies of water

and how we're gonna go

swimming.

Mm -hmm.

In the ocean at

night sometime.

Yeah.

And we did.

And we did.

And I got attacked by a monster.

In your dream.

And I did not survive.

Yeah.

And he's actually not here right now.

Mm -hmm.

That is - I'm actually - That's

an Ice Age, not in the dinosaurs

reference.

Did you live?

No.

Or no, no, did

you die?

No.

But I lived.

I think -

Dude, for whatever reason,

that lives rent free

in my life.

And I quote it to

myself

way more than

I care to admit.

Good.

It's courageous, dude.

What else did we talk about?

Well, a lot

of our

conversations

kind

of

were

leading

us to the conclusion that

the first few

verses of the Bible

have a lot more

to them than we

previously had thought.

And I think this is where

we

really

started to get to the sense

of

- It was the first time we

got the sense.

Yeah.

That there's something

to sitting down

and

diving into the

word.

Yeah.

And just

getting

different perspectives,

and specifically our

perspectives, and

speculating and having

fun with it, but also

almost

just trying to dig up as

much as possible.

And realizing that we

don't really - we

haven't really done that

- In our own personal lives.

In our own personal lives in that

way.

Which is still, for me,

so hard to just sit

down and mull over

a few

verses.

Yeah.

We're a half hour, a little

three and a half

hours, dude.

Yeah.

And there's something

they

said about

having

people in your life that you

can do this with.

Yeah.

Did we talk about that then or

two or three episodes later?

We talked about it at some point

in the season.

We talked about

how

crazy - I mean, it was at

least brought up that it's

crazy that we're doing - this and

that, you know, we're

uncovering this stuff that we've never

seen before.

What's crazier to me

is I don't know why this hasn't

hit me, but

season

one is done.

Yeah.

It feels like we started yesterday.

I really, I keep

thinking, oh, we just started at the
beginning of

the year, but it was like November.

Yeah.

Which crazy.

Like we have an episode where

we talk about New

Year's.

I know.

Insane.

But also we talked

about how God

makes good things.

Because I think we read through all

of

chapter one

and just the whole

creation account

and

how God said it was good.

I can't remember what

episode it was.

It might've been the next episode, but

how God

creating light

was

the

creation of time as well.

Yeah.

That might've been the next episode.

I think it might've been the next episode.

But moving on,

we also had an

old

segment present

in episode zero

where we

tried,

I think we

failed epically.

Who do you mean?

Tried to talk about ourselves.

So it went

perfumed,

individual,

and then decay.

Which is PID.

I don't know what that means,

but.

Isn't that a condition?

Sure.

Anything's conditioned if you make it.

It may cause death.

Yeah.

I mean, when we were just listening

back to that,

like a half, maybe probably an hour

ago,

it confused me.

Because I'm

like, first off, we

just

news

highlight here.

We just got that

new editing

software.

Which is why it sounded

so crisp and amazing.

And I was like, this has to

be like new

content.

And so it was like tricking me.

And so when I

heard you talking

about the format of the episode

and how it was going to go, I'm

like,

did Michael change something?

Like,

what?

No, that's not the format of the

episode.

That was because we

have this idea

for doing

AI music.

And we came up with this

whole music

performance

thing where

we start off, we

kind of,

the way that we do the

podcast, but like we

start off with worship music

or like Christian

type music.

And then we have our own personal

music.

And then we have the

music that we generate

with

our

audience,

basically.

We're giving up on that idea?

We are not giving up on that

idea.

And that is still very unstable.

It's on the table or is it

in the attic?

It is,

I mean, it's definitely on the table

for me.

It's just a matter of.

I think it's under the table.

We got to focus.

It's in the crawl space.

It's in the crawl space, Steve.

It's under the stairs.

How about that?

Yeah.

We're going upstairs and

it's under the stairs.

We have to go back

downstairs in order.

Harry Potter's down

there.

He's got the

magic.

And he's got the

magic in him.

But the reason that

we got rid of that

segment,

even though I think we kept it

for a few episodes, the

reason we got rid of that segment

is because we end up talking about
ourselves anyways.

So in both

sections of

perfume.

But it was supposed to be like us talking

about artistry, daily

life,

things we want to

share about

ourselves.

You know what?

I just realized today's

episode, how many,

how far are we?

32?

That's got to be the shortest

intro

we've ever done.

Yeah.

Because I'm trying to move us along.

Oh, cool, cool.

Because we have

nine episodes to go

through.

Okay.

And probably a lot of things that

we can say.

Wait, put it in the chat if you

guys want me to stall him.

And I will stall him.

Stalling?

I'll stall you.

Stalling.

No, not stalling.

Stalling?

Stalling him.

Stalling.

I will stall this

episode out.

Stalling?

You're doing a great job of it

on your own.

It's a reference to

the

Spongebob movie.

Anyways, in the decay portion.

I'm a Christian, dude.

You're a Christian.

My mom did.

Christians don't

watch Brainrot.

My mom didn't

expose me to that

Brainrot.

Yeah, and your life.

It's so much like that.

Because of it.

That's crazy.

But the decay portion,

we didn't do this.

Because I think we just

went off on whatever

else.

But the topic was supposed to be

why is there something rather

than nothing?

Which is funny because that tied

into the creation account.

Because it's like why is there something
around?

What a weird

topic too.

Yeah, Yeah.

let's Let's dig into that.

I'm a Christian.

I'm a Christian.

I'm a Christian.

I'm a Christian.

No, right now.

We're not

We did that in episode

one

but

Yeah, so that's episode

zero.

Yep for the

most part there is so

this is where

we we

really got a feel for what our

banter looks like

and That's where

we actually

just had

Steven join us

because he was in the background.

We didn't have a mic for

him Was that episode zero one that

was episode zero Wow, there's a

very first episode.

He was sitting over here We

asked him to look things up like

we should just have you on the podcast

and then we invited him on the

podcast And he never left

I'm supposed to be taking notes right

now.

Could you could someone pass me

paper and pen?

Here's why you have a laptop

Okay, fine.

I'll get the laptop.

I mean technically

I'm better at

typing.

Okay, put it down fine

I'm holding my

note thing.

So yeah, good job, man.

It's a little weird.

Yeah fans

So getting into

episode one

again called

beginnings, but we started

using parentheses because

there's a

parentheses in

our

At our

podcast name

I was like, oh this could be a

fun little thing that we do

in episode zero We

actually had

Steven I

believe no,

sorry in episode one

actually

Episode one is the first

episode that you're going to

have at your disposal

audience

members

so

This is

this is where we get to hear

from Steven Steven joins

podcast and she

talks about what it's like to be

Mostly blind,

you

know

But that's absolutely

blind

impaired of the

site

And that's episode one.

Yeah, I thought that was episode zero

that's episode one Steven

didn't really talk

On episode zero.

Is that cuz it got cut

an accident?

No.

All right, man.

I'm glad you took notes because

This brain is not doing

I mean there was

there were yeah, we have

two recordings for episode zero

things went wrong

So many times

it was a

regular current

staff technical, you know what you

might be right actually that

might have been

What happened

because it got

cut and then we were just like oh we're

just gonna rehash this on the

first episode Yeah, and

the way I named files back

then was just not

yeah, well, we're still there was

like zero zero

zero Yeah episode

it was beginnings zero

zero zero.

Yeah, and then I made

the other one beginnings

zero zero

zero zero one

Yeah, what does that

mean?

You're getting ready for us to have
thousands

of episodes

But yes,

so Steven talks about being blind

which was

the opener

to the the first

episode would say

Wow

Then

we got into the

preformed section where

we talked about

Genesis 1

1 1 through 5

again.

Mm -hmm.

This is our very first

episode

technically

We're kind of rehashing

things

And we end up bringing

out John one

talking about

the word

Jesus you remember that?

Mm -hmm.

Yeah in beginning was word and the word
was

with God and word Wait, did

I say that wrong in the beginning

was the word?

And the word was

God and the word was

with God and the word was with

God.

Mm -hmm Oh, no, I think it was

worth God and

was God.

It's one of those

Um

Yeah, I mean it.

Oh this okay.

Yeah, this is this is probably where

we started started talking about the

creation of time

What's From the

creation account.

Okay, what

what's what's your

favorite thing about the

creation count the

six days, right?

What a seven

I think

I think it's in

chapter one.

So I think it's just the first five days.

It's not the

Creation count them

that's that's just the first

five days or first

chapter Okay in the

first in the creation account

of chapter

one.

Okay.

Thank you for being specific

Michael.

I appreciate you

That's why I said in

chapter one.

You didn't I'm gonna hurt

you Answer the

freaking question.

Well, let me think about it.

Okay

chapter, I Think

it was mind -blowing that

That God

Created like

the not even

just things

but

concepts themselves.

Hmm and

Sort of hid them into

details.

Yeah, like

days and nights.

He didn't really hide that one

away, but there was another

one

Well, it's kind of

like that something like

that is kind of hidden in plain sight

because it's yeah

You don't think oh

God because it says God

created blank

blank on such and such

day But But you don't

think, oh oh, he

also created

days and

the name of days

and all these

different things.

Like it's not just,

oh, he created this thing.

He also created the name, the

concept, how it works,

everything around it.

And there was something else too.

I'm blinking on it right now though.

So let me pull up my

Bible.

I mean, I already basically showed my

hand, but my favorite thing is

basically

realizing that God created

time like in that

moment, like when creation

started, created

time.

At least for us in

our universe, because

he's outside of time,

which

makes me wonder

if he has his own

time.

Is there God time?

How does God time work?

Is God time

just all

time?

It's like Brazilian time.

All the time, all the time.

All time, all the time.

Have you heard that

idea

or that phrase?

I've never heard of that, no.

I don't know if it's

Brazilian time or if it's called something

else, but

I knew a missionary once that

worked

in Brazil.

The slums of the

city

with the Jesus

statue,

where is that Rio de Janeiro?

Is that it?

I couldn't tell you.

I think that's it.

But

he

told me that

over there they

live on

like

Brazil time, which means

you show up when you show

up.

Oh yeah.

There's no

expectations for

being on time.

There's no such thing as being on

time.

That's crazy.

Sounds like...

Me?

You would thrive in the environment.

I would love it, dude.

I'd be so happy there.

I would kill myself.

Well, that's kind of sad.

That's the least of my mind.

How would you lose your mind?

You wouldn't know how to lose your mind.

Well, actually,

that's not true.

You wouldn't know lose mind.

to when your It wasn't part of the
culture.

Well, that's why I try

to

conform to the

culture around me,

to the best of my ability.

I haven't been

that

successful all the time,

but I know it's important to people,

so I trust.

You're not perfect.

You know, my mom has said that.

You know what?

Orange X.

Of course.

We also

still

have

the

bit

about the individual.

And this brought up an

interesting

thing.

I was talking about our testimonies.

I think we did talk

about our testimonies.

Did we?

Yeah.

But I think we could

almost

have an episode

dedicated to

maybe learning about each

of us

individually.

I think that'd be interesting.

And about this podcast.

Yeah.

Yeah, we could do that.

Maybe

in...

what

would it be?

10 months?

10 months.

Is that right?

Whoa.

It's

because

we got so many shows lined up.

Yeah, that's true.

And we're probably

underestimating.

Yeah,

we're absolutely underestimating.

Yeah.

So we have eight months of shows lined up

already.

So 10 months.

Sure.

I mean, yeah, we could do

that at the beginning of next year.

Yeah, we could do that.

And yeah,

that'd be good.

Should we do an AMA?

That'd be kind of cool.

Reddit.

The Reddit style AMA.

Ask me anything.

Oh, sure.

Yeah, let's do that.

There we go.

Yeah, people almost do.

We're just selling.

Hopefully you're writing that down

as a note because I'm not

taking notes right now.

I can grab the left -hand notes.

Hold on.

And the decay

portion for episode one

was the same as the last

episode.

As far as the old format?

No,

the last episode.

So why is there something rather

than nothing?

Oh, should I write that down?

No.

Why did you say that to me, though?

Because that was,

we're talking about each

episode.

So for episode one.

Where am I?

We talked about.

I'm sorry.

He has dementia.

He says he has the

memory of the

goldfish, but he doesn't remember

what it goes.

My mama dropped me on the floor

when I was a kid.

He hasn't been on this earth very

long.

He's actually one year old.

My mom says I grow real

fast.

We're still positive.

His mom hasn't been around.

She's AI now.

We're totally releasing that

at some point.

Going to the gym.

Oh, hold on.

Patreon.

AI mother.

So,

okay.

We're episode two.

So here's the thing.

Episode two is called Days.

We ended

episode one talking

about how

far close would the earth

need to be to not

exist.

There's way more eye -opening than

I thought it would be.

Yeah.

Because you Because you always.

hear that said,

and you said it,

like

in an implied way of

like, yeah, if the earth

shakes,

like if Chuck Norris

jumps too hard on the surface of

the earth, like we're all

screwed.

We're going to freeze the death or boil

alive.

And it's a little bit more complicated
than that.

But then we,

so this is what

I thought

that we had more

episodes in between

where we talked about

chapter one,

but apparently we talked about a whole

lot more in episode one.

I said chapter one just now.

Yeah.

That's right.

But because episode

two, we actually start

in

chapter

two of Genesis

one through three.

Wow.

Yeah.

Where we talk about

rest.

Wow, dude.

Yeah.

We got through a whole chapter in the

first episode.

I think it's because episode

zero, we got through

five

chapters, five

verses.

And then,

oh,

maybe we have like some kind

of unconscious

format where every other

episode we just do

one verse

or one

tiny section.

Maybe.

But we talked about

rest.

Yeah.

And we, you know,

rest in God, we talked

about the Sabbath, talked

about true rest,

which was very important

for us to have a

whole episode dedicated

to that.

Do we feel like we've learned

anything

about

rest?

Have we applied anything,

any of us,

our rest?

I mean, look at last

week.

No.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, it's not

just physical

rest, right?

Okay.

Remind me.

It's spiritual

rest.

It's resting in

God.

It's in the Word.

It's in truth

and, you

know, finding peace

in the

darkness.

So hold on.

This is why I need the Bible right in

front of me.

This is Genesis two.

Genesis two, which verses?

One, two, three.

It literally just says that God

rested on the

side of the day.

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter.

I need to see it.

I'm sorry.

I'm so visual.

All right.

Thus the heavens and earth were

completed, and all

the vast array

of the seventh

day God had

finished the work he had

been doing.

So on the seventh day he rested

from all his work.

And God blessed the seventh

day and made it to holy,

because on it he

rested from all

the work

of

grading

that

he

had done.

Sorry, I got confused at the end there.

It says,

what you're

looking for.

It's nothing about

rest other than God rest.

I have this rare disease

disease called ADHD.

And we talked about it.

And so my brain.

Rare disease.

That's what my mom told me.

He's special.

That's what my mom says.

Oh my gosh.

That episode we talked

about

going

to church and

God

being the example of,

see, I told you I paid ADHD.

It just takes a second to click.

Going to church and making

sure that we

follow

God's example.

So just like in the first

chapter of Genesis,

he's setting up not

only all the physical

means of his

grace, he's also

setting up the

spiritual and the

conceptual means of his

grace, like

day and night.

And in this

section

of verses,

the concept of rest

and the

purpose of rest.

And so we capped off

that episode with

encouraging

everybody to go to church.

And I believe

the

decay portion was us talking

about relationships.

No.

No?

The decay portion was

actually does God

exist?

Oh yeah.

And we talked about - That was a wild

one.

Yeah.

We talked about

- It was a hard

one.

So I was like, why don't we just

position it as

instead of

arguing that God does

exist, let's argue that God

doesn't exist.

Because that's much harder for

us since

we're biased.

Do you remember your argument?

Because I don't remember.

I wrote

that we had arguments for

the other side.

And I wrote pain

in the world.

I think that was your

- Oh,

oh, oh.

I got it.

Okay.

My argument was

that

God

and the

devil are

only

just a

personification

of

things that

are

good

from our perspective

that happened to us,

or bad from our

perspective that happens to

us.

And so we went down

that road

of

-

What

did we call it?

It was like social

contract there, I think it was?

Yeah.

Oh, because

truth

or law is

socially

agreed

upon.

Agreed upon.

Making

morality

a social

contract.

Yeah.

So society functions

off of social

contracts

between,

excuse me,

between

individuals.

Yeah.

And then that

gets more

complex as you have more individuals,

and then you have to have societal

contracts.

And for society to

exist,

you

have to

forgo forgiveness.

Was that the next episode?

The forgiveness thing, I

think, was us talking

about forgiveness.

Yeah.

We talk about the implications

of forgiveness on morality.

On the next one.

Yeah.

Oh,

those are good

episodes, dude.

I don't remember my own.

I remember yours was good.

Let me see if I can find it.

Uh -oh.

Yeah.

And then we just spent our

time

debunking

for that.

I do remember

that it was

very difficult.

I think we paused for a

long time to think

hard.

Because it's,

I mean, in our lives,

the Bible,

God has been so

ingrained

that the

argument for Him

existing

is

just

more

clear

in our minds.

But I've found

in

my TikTok adventures,

that it's so,

like, I've literally followed people

on TikTok that are

deconstructionists,

or they're just,

I was

about to say pagans,

technically, yeah,

but just unbelievers.

And

just

to hear their perspectives.

Like, I'll hear how they reason

things.

And I'm like, okay, that's valuable

because I

want to know how to refute

that.

And I'll follow people that do

refute those

arguments and

different things like that because

it's just,

we,

us as Christians

should have

an answer

for

unbelievers

or for our faith.

And there are some things that we're not
going to know.

Like, you know,

we weren't there at the creation

account.

We weren't

there for

a lot of things in

the Bible.

So it's like, you know, there's a lot

of years, a lot of time

that isn't accounted

for,

that

we have to try

to fill in

of our own

personal desire,

or just allow

God to be

sovereign over and not really

worry about it.

And actually, we have to do both.

But

I

mean, it says that in 1 Peter

3,

I want to say 18,

that's, you know, to have a defense

for your faith.

You know,

you can check me on that, but

were you able to find it?

I accidentally looked up

morality.

Nice.

What was the episode title?

It was Days.

Days.

Episode two.

It's not 1 Peter 3, 18.

It's not.

That's for Christ also

suffered once for sins,

the righteous for the unrighteous.

That's also a good verse.

That's a good one.

It is in chapter three, though.

Possibly, I don't know.

So what I talked about

with

the

different perspective, talking

from a different perspective,

a non -Christian perspective, that was

the morality episode.

Really?

Yeah.

Okay.

And then literally,

I asked,

what

was

your argument?

And your argument was talking about the

concept between good and

evil and how there's social

contracts and social agreements

between individuals

and society as a

whole.

And then you found it very

difficult.

Well, it actually says, we found

that very difficult to

maintain this

argument

if

the concept of forgiveness

was brought into it.

And I remember when we

were recording this.

Yeah.

Oh, oh, 1 Peter 3,

15.

Okay.

Yeah.

I remember we were

recording this really

late.

And so our brains

were dragging

like

an

enchilada

worm across the floor.

Oh, sure.

You had to be there.

You had to be there.

Actually, we recorded it.

We did, yeah.

We did.

On our

new

portable

mics.

What's the segment called?

Out in the Wild.

Out in the Wild.

No, Out in the Wild.

No, On Out in the wild.

Wild.

On Out in the wild.

yeah.

Did a fun.

We're on drugs.

No, we're on drugs.

Goodness gracious.

Yeah.

Great.

Great examples for people.

We are fantastic

examples.

So let me pull up life

and get the summary for that

one.

Life.

Why?

Which all of life,

wherever and ever.

Which episode is that?

You said that's episode two?

Episode two was days.

Episode 2

.5

is

not on here because

the .5s are

technically.

Life is, so I see

2 .5 that's not

titled life.

It literally does not have a title.

It's just called 2 .5.

Episode is life.

Life is,

I put 5

.5 on it.

Life is seven.

Okay.

That's life.

Sorry.

I put 5 .5 on here for some reason.

Oh, because it's talking about choice

and will, whatever.

The .5

episodes,

here's the deal.

We're going to stream

and

keep all of our streams

on

YouTube.

But

if you

want the

cleaner,

crisper, more

beautiful

episodes.

Mm -hmm.

Those are the ones that we're going to put

on Spotify.

We are going to release those, but we're
going

to release some weekly.

Mm -hmm.

Hopefully within

this

week.

Yeah, no, definitely

this week by Wednesday.

I will not sleep

even a little bit.

Oh, Lord God.

We can wait another week,

honestly.

No, we can't.

Okay.

We've already waited the whole week.

We're on episode

now.

Afterwards, you're allowed to

sleep.

I'm just going to take a whole month

off.

Okay.

A whole month.

I'll see you guys in a month.

Wow.

Okay.

We're going to have a cardboard

cutout of you.

Cool.

And we're going to have a

little button that Stephen presses.

I'll just make an

AI version of my voice.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

I think we have enough content to be able
to do

that now.

Probably.

Yeah.

Yeah, we don't even need it.

We don't even need to have us.

You know what?

Are we us

right now?

We're fired.

We're just AI.

Can AI take our

jobs?

Honestly, chips and guac.

Oh, we've got to stop through the end

there.

We recorded all that

too.

You'll find that on Patreon.

Out in the wild.

Out in the wild.

Be there, be square, bro.

Dude.

We've had some.

How to make people

go to our Patreon

immediately.

To know the inside joke.

What are they freaking talking about?

What do they mean, Chip and Guac?

What?

Why is Elon Musk here?

Why is he telling me to kill me?

Is it chips?

Is it guac?

I thought it was queso, dude.

Are those chips?

Was it queso?

Yeah, it was queso.

That sounds true.

Yeah, I said chips and queso.

But look, Elon Musk, he's

running kills.

That's not me.

We know you're listening.

We do.

And you love us just as much as

we hate you.

Episode three,

morality.

Okay.

Another old segment that we

have done away

with.

Dead on.

Cold Opens.

Oh.

Yeah, apparently on episode three

we had tech talk.

Here's a little segment

called tech

talk.

Where we talked about

technology.

AI.

I do remember that.

VR, AR,

Neuralink.

Oh, yes.

And apparently we talked about

morality, survival of

the fittest, and

parental

responsibility around that.

Around technology.

Around the...

Should you let your child do

these things?

Bionic implants.

The whole nine.

Yeah, that was such a good

conversation.

We went hard on that.

Dude.

I'm pretty sure that was like

at least an hour conversation.

Were we better back then?

We were not.

We were not.

We were much less

structured.

But I mean, now

we are

still pretty

unstructured.

Yeah, but

we're...

Back then we weren't striving at

the same level that we are now.

The harder you strive, the

more you fall.

The more you fall?

Fall.

The harder you strive.

The more you

fall?

The more you fall.

What do you mean?

The more...

Like,

if you do something

once a month,

you fall every so often.

If you do it every single day, you're
going to

fall.

So we're scraping our knees

and getting good

at not scraping our knees.

The idea...

No, the idea...

Stephen's going to talk.

Stephen.

Hey, Dupenny.

Hey, how are you doing?

Keep talking.

I'm back.

Hello.

I am back.

I am back.

It is me,

Stephen.

Shut up.

He's going to talk.

Do the wave.

Do the wave.

Boom.

No, no.

It's a little

wave that you did.

Anyways,

please speak.

Oh my gosh, dude.

Anyways, the idea

behind premises is

that the

more often you do something,

the more you stress on,

you want to get it right.

And so the more stress you

put on yourself, usually

you

fail more often

is because

why you stress out.

So we should be failing more often

now?

We should absolutely

be failing a

lot because

we're trying really

hard.

Yeah, no, that's fair.

I spent probably like 300,

400 bucks on AI stuff.

And I wouldn't say it's all a waste,

but today we just

spent...

What was it?

I mean, we didn't spend anybody.

I said,

hey,

my friend, he has

an

app that he used for our

podcast back then.

I'm like, it can't be that good.

And then we look it up and we're like,

ooh.

Same exact reaction.

Why was that insane?

That's what I'm saying.

All day.

I don't like this.

We shouldn't spend any time

together ever again.

I'm replacing myself with

AI.

I'm getting a cardboard cutout of

myself.

No, I called it first.

I said it.

I didn't know what I was saying about

you.

I told you I was going to be gone.

Anyways, we talked about that

stuff.

All right, okay.

Yeah,

that was

a good episode.

But that was a

bit

good segment

that we had.

I get excited caring

about it.

I want to listen to it again.

Honestly,

we...

I think I listened to this twice.

Realistically, we should

re

-listen to our episodes

all the way through.

All of us,

individually together,

as friends.

On the triple bunk, right?

Yeah, exclusively on

the...

One of those headsets

that is

interconnected,

you know?

It's like boom.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's not a real thing, but

we should make it a real thing.

Go onto our website.

Go onto

our

website.

Grandma made us a headset

so we can all listen

together.

That's right.

The same creator of

your infamous

toe socks.

I play headphones.

What a pill.

On this episode, we

actually, we continue forward,

and we talked about

Genesis

2,

4 through 9.

Verse 4 through 9, I should say.

And apparently, we talked about

how...

I don't think we actually talked about

the verses.

We talked about, we

aren't biblical authorities,

meaning that

everything we say take

with a grain of salt.

But we also talked a

lot about how the Bible is

interconnected.

All of scripture

is...

It's not all

just pointing towards Christ.

It's not all just pointing

towards being the one truth.

It is pointing to

itself.

It's all like the New

Testament references the Old

Testament.

The Old Testament speaks

about the New Testament,

and

you can

find any number of connections.

I think this is the

episode where we were just like,

yeah, this is

crazy how

this all comes

together.

Oh, it is.

And I'm interested to see

actually what

verse

4 is

that kind of got this going.

This is the accounts of

the heavens and the earth

when they were created,

when the Lord God made the

earth and the

heavens.

How do you think that kicked off that

conversation?

So mine says, these are the

generations of the heavens and the

earth when they were created in

the day that

Yahweh

God

made earth and heaven.

Oh, so I'm reading from the LSB

now.

And I'm reading from NIB,

and I was reading ESV,

the extra special...

And I was on NASB.

Oh my gosh, dude.

All right, throw it back.

We're

really...

We're on top of it.

We're diverse.

This is the account of the heavens and the
earth

when they were created in the day that

the Lord God made heaven.

No shrub on the field was yet

in the earth, and no plant of

the field had yet sprouted.

For the Lord God had not

sent rain upon the earth but a

mist,

then the Lord farmed

man.

Yeah, I have no idea how we

got to

that.

Should we cut to

a section?

What is this episode again?

This is episode 3,

morality.

Oh, duh.

I thought we moved on.

I don't know why you don't put

the name,

the episode number

on...

Because that was your

idea to not do that.

Now I'm starting to do it.

We probably should do it.

Because it's so confusing to

me.

Well, and also we're going to

do seasons and stuff, and we should

probably be like season one.

If you watch

on YouTube,

episode nine, Marked

Wanderer, actually

does have

the depth episode of marker there.

and a title

beyond just

Mark Wunder.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But also,

so we also got into the

implications of

forgiveness on morality.

I think what we ended

up doing, because the next

one,

we talked about the two trees.

I think

we just got excited about

how morality,

or excuse me, how,

oh,

that was a sound.

Sorry, I'm using this

to charge.

Oh, you unplugged your

keyboard.

I'm trying to see if

it'll actually, actually,

is that going through the,

I'm pretty sure.

Yeah.

Congratulations.

You guys get to hear the weird,

weird windows.

I just laughed really weird.

I

don't

know.

That's a weird through line.

It's funny, going from tech

talk to

talking about the Bible Yeah, I'm

trying to find the exact

spot.

...

and then implications of forgiveness.

Okay.

I mean, it's probably somewhere near the

beginning.

I don't know.

Okay, here we go.

Okay.

And let's just

go back

to that.

I know a lot of people have read the Bible
and

were like, okay, yeah, we got a...

It's funny.

Verse 5, when

no budge of the field

was yet in the land,

and no small plant of the field

had yet sprung up,

for the Lord God had not

caused it to rain and

land.

So he did redo.

...

and no man to work on the ground.

And a mist was going up

from the land and

was watering the whole face of

the ground.

Then the Lord God formed the

man of dust from

the ground and breathed

into his nostrils

the breath of life.

And the man became a living

preacher.

The Lord God planted a

garden in Eden in

the East.

And there he put man

whom he had formed

the ground.

The Lord God made the

spring of every tree that

was wasn't a sight

and good for

food.

The tree of life was

in the midst of the

garden and the tree

of the knowledge of good and

evil.

Wow.

That's epic.

And any first thoughts on

that?

Usually this is where it goes off

the rails.

The tree.

Knew it.

I freaking knew it.

I brought up the tree and it

was beeline

to the fall straight from

there.

I'm pretty sure this is when

we talked

about...

Did the tree have power?

Yeah, probably.

That's crazy.

That's nice, dude.

Dude, how do you...

We were having breakfast this morning,

guys.

Audience.

And he

describes the beat of the

show.

And if you would have asked me

what the beat of the show is,

like who speaks when,

what are they usually saying?

I'd be like, I don't know.

I don't know.

And he just

described every single

episode to a T.

Pretty much.

I hate you.

I hate myself too

sometimes.

Describe it.

Describe the episode beat.

So okay.

It's not a one to

one.

No, it's not.

But it's a really

similar

pattern.

Yeah.

So basically what happens

is we have

the concept, whatever it is

that we're going to be going over, whether
it's scripture,

whether it's a question,

big question

of life,

and it'll be presented.

I generally present it.

Then Daniel responds,

however he's going to respond.

He's long -winded, so it's going to be for
at

least 30 minutes.

I like to hear my voice.

And then

I will bounce

off of him.

And then

he'll

ask a question and we'll just keep

bouncing back and forth.

I always try...

I've always tried to try

and see what Stephen will say.

But

Stephen...

Sometimes, I mean, Stephen

jumps in whatever he wants to jump

in.

But whenever we ask him to

jump in, he'll be like, nah, I

ain't got nothing.

But when he jumps in, he jumps in.

And we try to shut up, but it takes

us like two minutes to shut up.

Yeah.

But if he does ask a

question,

then Daniel, you pretty much

answer immediately.

Do I?

Yeah.

Anytime a question is

posed by not

you, you have to do the

first answer.

Whenever I pose a question,

I have an answer in mind.

You have an answer in mind, you're like,

what?

But you'll turn it on

me.

You'll be like, hey, Michael, you answer

it first.

And then you'll be like, okay, but I

have my thoughts.

That pretty

much just goes...

I gotta work on that.

I don't know if that's a good thing.

Well,

but we talked about the dynamic,

how

I'm

more structured

and how

everything is going on.

You're better at keeping the flow

going.

You have the questions, you have whatever.

And then

Steven

comes up with more

concise...

Well thought through.

Well thought through

powerful

questions in

crazy ways.

So I'm curious, and this is a

question that I have

no No answer to.

Sure.

Starting So...

with Steven.

So I want to present to

us exhibit

A.

That's exactly how the podcast

goes.

But you were finished with your thought,
right?

Yeah.

No.

Okay, keep going.

I mean, yeah, I was done, but

we were gonna keep going.

No, I want to hear

what this is.

Okay, fine.

So Steven,

I kind of like the route that we're

taking here.

Instead of just running through every
single

episode.

What are some of the takeaways

that we got

from

literally

the first season.

Did I say first episode?

I meant first season.

The first season

of the podcast

I've ever done.

I mean, I think you're on another podcast.

Second one.

Second.

But still, basically first.

Yeah.

So some takeaways.

I would say,

Steven,

what is the

biggest

learning

lesson or takeaway?

Because to me,

gosh dang it, shut up.

No, no, go for

it.

This is how it works.

This is how this podcast works

and it works.

I hate you.

Hey, look, you know what?

You know why people don't like me?

Cause I expose them.

I'm leaving.

You're not leaving.

I just, okay.

The reason why I, sorry,

I just knocked the mic.

Like the reason

why I answer my own

questions sometimes is because

I don't know exactly what

my question should

be.

And so if I give

a question and a model

of an answer,

then people are like,

they know exactly what I'm

supposed to do.

That's a very normal thing to do.

Oh, so I'm not.

You're not crazy.

Okay.

There's nothing wrong with you.

I'm not selfish and arrogant.

Cause most of the time people

won't have an answer

immediately.

So it'd be like, well, here, let me ask

you an example.

I give them time.

Yeah.

Man, we're so meta.

Okay.

Dude, we're like breaking the fourth wall

right now.

Oh my gosh, dude.

Okay, so actually no.

I was listening, this is

a takeaway.

I was listening the other

day when I was doing some

work.

At work.

And

you

said several times on the episodes

that this is

actually not on the, maybe

on the episodes, but the friends and
everything.

Like this is a listener kind of thing

where you can listen to it in the

background.

Yeah.

Because it's not like we're going

through

well

scripted,

heavily documented

information.

And those kinds of shows, I

mean,

they're useful.

I got to sit down and pay

attention.

And I don't want to.

So if you hear,

if you're working right now,

audience, and you are,

we had a name for them by the

way.

Oh,

oh.

I remember it.

But you're not gonna mention it cause you
hated

it.

Dang it, dang it.

Oh,

I can't mention it if you really

want me to.

No, it's okay.

Can you, can you - Wait, wait,

wait.

For, for the listeners

as a whole.

Yeah.

Oh.

There's some kind of animal.

Was it?

Slatterpie.

No,

it was a dog.

It was a dog?

Yep.

A dog.

Corgis, Corgis!

Yes!

That was episode nine.

Look,

yeah.

Hey, and we're rehashing

that.

Yeah, man.

Look, I'm down.

If you're down, I'm down.

Check off episode nine.

It's not weird if it does done.

We just went over it.

Everything that came around episode nine,

corked on.

It doesn't matter.

It's Corgis.

It's all about Corgis.

We're just gonna replace it, put

Corgis.

Yeah, and Mark Wanda.

Corgis.

Corgis.

Not about Kane.

Corgis.

We're gonna release that in 10 years.

The original episode.

For gee -ups.

No, no, no.

Mark Wanda.

We're gonna replace it with Corgis.

Oh, yeah.

We're never gonna release it.

We're never gonna release.

What is that actually?

Yeah, yeah.

We're gonna put it on the - Actually,
we'll put it

on Patreon, $1 ,000.

Oh my gosh, dude.

$1 ,000 a - $1 ,000 per

cassette.

And there's only 10 cassettes.

I was gonna say $1 ,000 per

minute.

Oh my gosh, dude.

The thing's like 180

minutes.

No, it's at least, I

think that one was at least three

hours.

I mean, look at it.

So three

hours,

60 minutes.

That's 180

minutes.

Freaking shoot me, dude.

I am not good at math today.

I did that earlier today.

I was like, oh,

it's like two hours

long.

They actually like 200

minutes.

It's 195 minutes,

I'm fired.

Dude, you're so smart.

I wish I was smart like you.

Anyways,

we're calling

our

fans Corgis.

You guys are Corgis now.

No, the fans.

Oh yeah, no, the fans are Corgis.

Yeah, it's fan number one, fan number two.

Yeah,

anyways,

takeaways.

Yeah, takeaways.

So

that

was one of my takeaways is,

oh my gosh, there's been so many
takeaways,

but that you

can glean

like

a Jewish a Jewish peasant.

after

harvest,

just listening to this in the

background.

That's right.

That's crazy.

Thank you, man.

Thanks for recognizing that

deep,

biblical...

Yeah, I recognize it.

It was like there was a voice in my head
that I

was like, well, that's right.

That is a crazy

reference.

I'm actually going to vocally

say that that's a crazy reference.

Okay.

So that you feel acknowledged.

Oh, I feel very acknowledged.

Yeah, I love that.

Steven, do you have any special

takeaways?

You just cut me off.

You were done.

No, I wanted to keep going.

Well, I didn't ask.

Let me keep going.

Steven,

do

you have

any special takeaways?

My close face right now.

Oh my gosh, Jesus.

We've been spinning all day together.

I kind of hate you guys.

That's what we love.

You hate me?

No, yeah, no.

I like you guys too.

Two,

because there's two of us?

Yeah.

Hey, Steven.

So what you got, bro?

You better be juicy.

I can probably do some.

Better be special.

I

can

smell you.

No pressure, Steven.

Dude, I wish I could do more than that.

Sorry, Steven.

Go for it.

Gosh, what's the bit?

Let him speak.

You said his name wrong.

What was it?

Everybody says my name wrong.

Your name?

No, Steven's name.

You said it with a PH.

I know.

You spelled his name wrong when you said
it.

I spelled his name wrong in my

notes too.

Oh my goodness, you did?

Yeah, initially I spelled

his name wrong.

Oh my goodness.

It's crazy.

Anyways.

Anyways, Steven.

It's been interesting.

I'll give it that.

That's your takeaway.

Well.

That was juicy.

Shut up.

It's like asking

girl, hey, so what

did you think of our date?

Oh, interesting.

It was okay.

It happened.

We did it.

That's for sure.

You were there.

I was there.

We went to a place, did the thing.

We thought it was eight.

The food was eight.

It's just

basically different

just

because there it

goes again, whatever.

In the fact

that I'm either

reading the Bible with

family,

listening to it at church,

or reading it

on my own.

But whenever it's really

talked about,

when

I read it on my own,

I just talk to myself.

That's the only person that

you basically talk to.

And no ideas

are balanced back and forth.

In

a

way, it makes it more fun,

for sure.

But at

the same time,

I could probably get through

the Bible way faster

than this podcast.

Okay.

But in the perspectives though,

when I read through the Bible end to

end,

for the first and only time I've

ever done it,

it took me,

I think legitimately,

like two or three

years.

And that's because I sat down with

a study Bible.

I would read

two -ish

chapters a day,

and I would read the

study notes

with it.

I know a guy that's done it every year,

and he's only been a Christian for

going on four years.

He's on his fourth read.

Yeah, you told me that.

And I thought that was absolutely nuts.

The most offensive thing in the world.

Talk about convicting.

Well, so I have

listened through the Bible

several times

before,

like back to back.

That's pretty easy because you

can listen to it at

two and a half speed.

But

I

am so slow when

it comes to reading.

It's not even funny.

I think it's because

I have to read

it out loud

with a voice in my

head.

My mom and my brother

say I'm

crazy.

Like you don't have to do that,

apparently.

And I'm like, how do you read

unless you read out loud

in your mind?

How are you supposed to comprehend

anything?

If I'm not paying attention,

I will be reading it out

loud.

It's hard as much.

You will.

If I read it in my mind, I

have to reread it

at least three times.

Well, what happens to me is

I'll

start reading

and

then

I'll

get a multi

-personality disorder.

I'm expecting something else at

the same time.

Yeah,

pretty much.

My conscious wanders

while my eyes and my

mind read out

loud still.

It's like you're listening to an

audio book, but you're the person

reading.

And you need to pre -wind the

whole audio book.

Yesterday that happened to me.

I listened to

one

and a half chapters

without listening

to one and a half chapters.

And I feel like I'm just.

training

to

ignore myself.

That's funny.

Yeah,

that's funny.

So anyways,

long tangent.

It's really hard for me to read

quickly.

So that's why it took me three years.

So good on your friend, man.

That's insane, getting

through the Bible

every single

year.

Yeah.

About three years in a row,

going on four.

Yeah.

That's nuts.

Fun fact,

I just had deja vu

right now.

You did?

Yeah.

I've never had these

notes.

We've never had these

conversations.

And I just had insane

deja vu.

Well, I caught deja vu right away.

So that's weird.

But implications of - You've

said that on the pod too.

I have said that.

Yeah.

Because I've had it a lot of times on
there.

But,

oh, sorry, my takeaway

from this podcast

- I just don't, I don't really care.

That's great.

It's that we hate each other

and we're doing this because we hate

each other.

But my takeaway

is

this

is what it takes to get

things done.

What do you mean?

This, what we're

doing.

We have a lot of things coming down the

pipeline that we're working

on and whatever.

And it's taken a lot to get

to this point.

A lot of sleepless nights,

purely for - And a lot of money.

Purely for you.

But this is what it takes.

Somebody that's - It's this

beyond sleepless

nights.

No, no, no, no, the effort.

It takes a lot of effort.

A lot of what?

Well, it takes someone

taking initiative

and just doing it.

Cause I thought you were referring

to,

here I go with my pattern.

I'm gonna show up in

a mental hospital one day because of

you.

You suck.

A lot of people are gonna end up in a

mental hospital because of me and you

get in line.

You're not special.

Sorry.

I'm not right.

Do not mean.

Here it is there buddy.

I thought you were referring

to,

it takes this

as in the dynamic

that we have.

Like the

amount of enjoyment that we

get from this

podcast.

Yes,

but in the way that,

that's the

motivator.

Our dynamic, what we're able

to produce is,

the motivator, but that's not

necessarily what it takes.

Practically, what it takes practically

is,

that's what I mean,

is,

cause I've tried for a long

time

to get something going

with somebody.

Cause I'm more administrative

minded.

Everything on the backend.

I can do everything on the backend.

I can figure out everything on

the backend.

I can also do everything on the front

end.

Can you?

Yeah.

Can you take all the jobs on doing that?

No.

But I mean backend

as in just

like figuring out the

structure of things

and then doing it

at the bare minimum

level.

I'm not gonna be good

at anything that I do.

Like I'm not gonna be the best at anything

that I do.

But I can.

Yeah, no, that explains a lot.

I can figure out all the

things that need to be done.

And then I can delegate them

properly to the people that actually

have the skills, the mindset,

whatever, to actually do it.

That's why you actually wanted a mirror.

A mirror?

No, that's why you wanna be here.

Or

delegating

to me.

Oh,

well, what I'm saying is

what it takes is

someone to just

do it.

Someone that's going to take initiative.

Yeah, and that is me.

And then,

but

that person

takes

somebody to rein

them in.

And it takes

somebody to

put things in

perspective for us

on

a

practical

simpler

level because...

He's calling you out.

Generally, the people that are...

I don't know why.

That are planning and the people

that are just

doing the things

are getting caught up

in whatever else.

And we need to be grounded.

Hi,

how are you standing?

Caught up in the things.

But

continuing

on,

yeah, I think

we've

learned a

lot.

About ourselves, about

this dynamic.

Yeah, my goodness.

And we actually learned

about

our fourth member

on episode

three.

Which we're not sure if he's gonna

come back for season

two.

He's gonna come back.

You think so?

Yeah, I mean, he's at least gonna be

doing things on the backend for us.

Maybe.

He's also gonna have his own podcast,

his own website,

his own social media.

Every single time you say something,

I'm like, oh, that's another

weekless

nights.

I don't forget about things.

I just

forget things that I don't care about.

But yeah, this is apparently...

That apparently I don't remember

anybody's birthday.

I remember concepts.

Let's keep something straight

here.

Yeah, but this was Hughes

inception.

One of our, one of my favorite topics

though, going back to the

decay portion,

the implications of forgiveness on

morality.

Yes.

That's probably.

That was a mind

blower.

Yeah.

Okay,

second favorite, because

it was just reckless

conversation.

And I brought it up on a skate

and it was great.

It was hilarious.

But one,

there was the conversation of

like,

you would thought

that there was other

families besides Adam and

Eve.

Oh, yeah.

Right.

And I was like, no,

brothers and sisters got

married back then.

Was this the same as the piss

poor day?

No, no, no, That was

different.

Yeah, that was a long time.

Gotcha.

This was with

Miss S.

Miss S, yes.

If you remember.

So this was the

symphony.

All right.

And so we're driving to the

symphony and I bring

up like, oh, how was your

day?

Bloke a lot.

I was weak.

And I was like, well, the podcast was

really good.

And like, this is someone who has,

here's a taste of the conversations we
had.

And of course,

you being unhinged.

Me being me.

I just, I lay it

out.

Sideways straight loop to loop,

whatever it is.

Well, do you think about getting

with your.

No, I was like,

we talked about,

I can't think of the word.

What is it called again?

Intermarrying.

There's a very specific

word for.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Okay.

I was thinking of it.

Totally different word.

So I brought up incest

on the road to

our date.

So yeah, we talked about.

And how incest was

not a thing

back then.

Right.

And it was only weird when

God made it weird.

Ah, yes.

Which naturally brings us.

And then, and then, and then,

no.

Okay.

So,

you know, I have

ADHD

squirrel,

right?

Yeah.

I twirled after

mentioning that.

Actually, no, we both squirrel.

I think she had ADHD too.

No, no, no, no.

Maybe.

I don't know.

We squirreled somehow.

And so I'm talking about something

else, like 30 seconds

or something.

And then I was just like, hold

on.

It was like, hold on.

Mrs.

Not Mrs.

She's not married.

Well,

maybe.

I don't know.

That'd be quick.

Mrs.

S.

I stop her.

I'm like.

Because she didn't react.

And I was like, you heard what I said,
right?

And she's like, oh yeah, no, I did.

I was like, so what's your take on that?

I'm like, that's wild, right?

Like, that's crazy.

Like,

but I also was

sharing like the other hot takes

of like,

when Eve was

like, I have

had a man child.

What?

Who do you think your man

was?

other That's the thing.

From her perspective, that

that's

the first

time

a

woman has ever born a child.

And usually,

new life comes from man.

Yeah.

For her.

Yeah.

Crazy.

Yeah.

Which is,

man, so I

guess that's a takeaway for me.

It's like, there's been so

many verses that

I've looked

at with you guys.

And because there's the

three of us bouncing ideas

off of each other,

I see it in a completely

new perspective, either

because you guys

say something,

or because

I'm trying to be

cool and impress you guys.

And I come over.

No, I'm just kidding.

I think it's the holy spirit.

You're doing a great job.

No.

I think it's the holy

spirit really.

Is giving me these

new fresh

perspectives

that

are just absolutely

like,

awe -inspiring.

Aunspiring, mind

-blowing, like something

I've never heard

before.

It's probably been said or

thought about.

I almost guarantee it.

But I

just

haven't

conceptualized it.

And so that's been

the coolest thing

on this

season, this journey

that we've started.

And I

can't wait

to see all

the mind -blowing bits

and pieces that are coming up.

Yeah.

Because we've got

some crazy

seasons lined up.

No.

We're...

I'm so excited.

We're gonna get into the weeds.

For sure.

I'm so excited.

For Noah and the Ark?

I'm...

Oh.

I'm honestly really

excited for the...

Are

you gonna say

the...

The genealogy beforehand?

I really...

We're gonna have so many episodes

that I can't even...

That's gonna be crazy.

Speaking of concepts

that

we had a

heyday about,

the next episode, episode four, for

fruit.

where we talk about

two trees.

Oh,

that's the

one where we talked about, does the

tree actually have any power?

Yeah.

But we talked about the nature

of good and evil,

understanding creation

and just

how all that works

together,

meaning slash reality

of the two trees.

So yeah,

yeah.

And the speculation about the

true power of the trees.

Yeah.

The true power.

And I was convinced,

I've still gotten them,

of a theory.

You can't be convinced of a

theory.

That's just not

possible, because it's a theory.

Interesting.

That's a thought.

It is a thought.

Interesting.

You can't be convinced of

something that hasn't been proven to be

true,

right?

I guess you can be convinced of your
faith.

You can be

convinced that

it's true.

People are convinced that the Big

Bang is

real,

but it's a theory.

Okay.

I repeal my

statement.

Okay.

I was

very

adamant that,

and I still kind of fold this

opinion,

if I can remember what it was,

well, I talked to the point, you know?

And what were we talking about?

That the fruit didn't

have power.

So, and thank you so much, Michael,

forgive me there.

Look, I talked about it.

I've talked about it in almost

every episode.

What do you mean?

It has a jab at you, because

I mean.

It talks about what every single

episode?

It talks about you

saying that the fruit

didn't have power.

Oh yeah, you at jabbed me.

And then we've definitely gone back

and forth.

It has power, it doesn't have power, it

has power.

And I brought it up so often.

Yeah, you, okay.

It's perfect.

Yeah, that's fair.

To me.

So,

I was thinking that

the tree

of

life

had some sort of

nutrient that

when

made available to our body,

allowed us to

not move

forward and age.

Because age to us is a

disease where our

bodies wear

away and

degrade.

So the only way that we can

tell

a person

is aging

is that

their skin starts

sagging.

Sure.

Like

their

bones are

deteriorating,

their joints go

bad, their eyes

go bad.

Which is kind of what we ended up

talking about,

how the curses

correlate to

physical death.

Yes.

In the decay portion of this.

Because we talked about

just how

all

of that kind of,

I mean, we went

and talked

a lot about like

more

of the

secondary

causes.

Like we talked about pointless

toil,

depression,

slash suicide, I think the idea

was to

determine what,

how does the curses, how

do the curses practically

tie to our

day to day

now?

Yeah.

Which is such a

different

way to think about it.

Because usually you read Genesis

one, two,

three, four.

And you're like,

oh, that's that.

You either think, oh, that's good poetry.

Or you think, which we established in

the first

episode or

the zeroth

episode.

The zeroth, yeah.

The zeroth,

yeah.

That's complete BS.

It is non -poetry.

Anyways, I'm not gonna go down that path.

So you never

think of it as,

oh, this affects

my day

to day.

The reason I woke up

with a backache

is because

Adam

didn't

say no when he

should have.

Cause Eve

wasn't

listening when she

should have.

When Eve

assumed

God said

something when he didn't

actually say that.

So many things.

Right.

I do remember struggling

coming up with

ways that it

ties.

Yeah, I mean, well, cause there's a

very

obvious

thing.

So in terms of like

pointless toil,

it basically the

curses created

struggle

where there wasn't as

much struggle before.

Like there was still work that had to be

done, but it

became more,

I like the word

arduous.

It's a good word.

I feel like I just, I

like this candy.

I like this candy.

This is my favorite candy in the middle of

this sentence.

But things just

became more difficult that were

natural.

Things that God

commanded us to do.

And now they

are

needlessly

difficult.

It reminds me of Cain.

I mean,

literally the ground,

I think the curse was was,

that one, well, not

thank I think.

you.

It was definitely worse for him.

The ground would

literally not

give him what

he wanted.

Well, I don't know if it was worse

because

Adam and Eve were perfect,

and then they became

not perfect.

So they knew what it was like, and

now that's no longer

available to them.

It's like they were…

It's like thinking, oh,

hey, that's

perfection over

there.

Or if they could stand

outside of Eden and stare

in,

it's like, that's what I want.

I had it,

but I can't have it anymore.

It's possible.

I could run as hard as

I wanted, and I would never

get it.

I screwed up

for

my entire family.

The reason Cain killed

Abel is because of me.

Yeah, imagine blaming

yourself for that.

And living… Having

to live for near a

thousand years.

In that pure

misery.

What if you're depressed,

dude?

It probably was.

See, that's another thought that I

just had for the first time ever.

It'd be something about this.

But we talked about that.

We talked about the

result.

Parts of the result

of the fall

are mental health

issues and

all

the medical

stuff, all the

struggles that we have

physically, but

also mentally, emotionally,

obviously, spiritually.

And

I

remember in that episode, we

actually

got really

serious

in

talking about the

depression stuff.

Because, I mean, the hope

for this podcast,

the reason that we've… Part of the reason

why we believe in this so much is

because,

one, it's done so much for us

in our lives and

our walk with God.

But it's our

desire because we're

so just

unashamedly

ourselves

that

people see

that they're encouraged

by that.

It's like, oh, this is what

it really looks

like to live

life and

pursue God.

Because, I mean,

we're

experiencing results

of the fall of

oil,

of the curse.

Can I expand on

that when you're done?

Yeah.

But we've

also dealt with

depression.

I've struggled with

thoughts of suicide and all that different

stuff.

And we

want this to be

edifying, but we want this to

be

an opportunity

for anybody

at any stage of

their walk with God, an

unbeliever or believer,

to

come and be like, okay,

so maybe

there's a

realistic view of this.

Maybe it's not

the super

-Turji people that

everybody is against

because

it's really hard to

talk to them because they don't know

how to live life.

But this is what it

can look like.

And, I mean,

the Ghost Runners podcast

I listen to, people

are like, oh man, whenever I listen

to this podcast,

I really…

It feels like I'm

talking to my best friends.

It's just my best friends.

And to a degree, I

kind of want it to be like that.

Like, oh, you're just telling with

the bros.

You got the podcast in the

background.

You're telling the bros and

you're just going through your day

listening to the

things and

maybe get something

out of it.

But… Like I was saying,

it's

the gleaning the fields

after they've been

harvested.

Harvested.

You heard me.

First, did you?

I actually did.

You're right.

Before you go on the site?

Let's see if I remember.

So you're talking about depression

or anything.

Struggling with the

results of the curse

and the fall

and us

experiencing

that

while doing this.

Yeah.

Yes.

Being real.

So

being

real with y 'all,

the past two weeks have not been great

for me.

Yeah.

Spiritually.

It's been very difficult for me to

sit down and read my

Bible.

And I felt very distant

from God.

And when I was

listening to this

our podcast

in preparation for

today,

at work

yesterday,

I

heard

myself go off on

a… Which by the way, never

gets

normal.

Never gets less weird.

When I hear you

say my

name, I'm like,

where's Michael?

On the podcast?

That's funny.

Yeah.

It pulls me into the world.

Is he here?

But

I was

listening to myself go off

on this

truly

passionate…

I

want to

say tirade, but it was

not a tirade.

It was like a -

Monologue.

Monologue.

Sure.

An address.

Yeah.

Gettysburg address.

But Daniel's head.

Social Security number.

I'm just kidding.

Get your pens and pads.

Get your pen.

Ladies,

are you ready?

And gentlemen,

start your pens.

Okay.

And I just,

I

sat there

sort

of astounded.

I'm like, who is

that

man?

I don't

recognize him.

The man I am right now

is not that man

that is

so

passionate and on

fire for God.

And so ready to take

on any

challenge in the whole world with

all of the faith and all of

the trust

that he can

possibly muster.

That's just not me today.

I don't recognize

that

recording of me at

all.

That's what I was thinking.

And so just being honest,

like that's,

you hear me

on one episode

going off

on a

soapbox

like that.

And it might sound

like I'm

sincere and

passionate.

And then other days

that's

just not me.

And you think,

I'll think even,

was I being real

in that episode?

And the answer is yes,

because life is

complicated.

Some days it's

harder than others.

Some days you have

less faith than others.

Sometimes the spirit will just

use

you as a mouthpiece,

which is always fun.

And then he listened to actually like,

who's that?

Me?

Did I do that?

Oh my God.

Well, it's funny that

you bring that up because when

we were praying,

I was just like,

I was missing

something before we started

recording.

And now that we're praying, I'm like,

oh,

we're back,

we have to be back

because we're doing the thing

no matter what.

And we're doing it for a purpose.

And it's like, it regrouped me.

It brought me back when we first started

praying.

No, no, when we started praying this

episode.

Oh, for today.

Yeah, for today.

Because it was like, okay,

like

we're

doing the episode now.

And when we pray,

it's us realizing,

because what Stephen was

saying was, thank you

for our opportunity

to do this.

And I was like, oh,

like I have not been

thinking about this is

given to us.

I'm gonna sleep out.

What?

Oh, these beautiful

crayons.

I'll just say it a whole lot

now.

This is making myself seem

awful.

Dropping the bombs.

These are Christians.

I gotta say clean, dude.

That's crazy.

Anyways,

but no, it just,

yeah, it

brought me back to reality

of like, this is what

we're supposed to be doing.

Because I mean, like,

even though it's not a perfect

indicator of where I'm at,

like we're supposed to be reading

Proverbs.

We're supposed to be.

And I think I've

hit once

every three days, maybe.

Yeah.

Although you had a breakdown on

Proverbs 3, 6,

7, 8, or 7,

8, and 9.

I think it was 8 and 9,

something like that.

Yeah,

changed.

That was,

there was a beautiful breakdown.

I mean, but yeah,

it's,

we're not perfect.

And

that's

something that I

don't wanna

hide.

Yeah.

Well, and if we

hide it,

again,

I'm gonna say this a million

and one times on this podcast

probably, but our experience is

not our own.

And when we share this

on this platform

where we are trying to be honest

with ourselves, honest with the word

of God, honest with God,

and honest

with each other in

our audience,

that is us

displaying our

experience in our

lives and saying,

this is useful

to you.

We want you to glean

from it.

And I'll write it down,

keep going.

Just because this

is, I mean,

it's even useful to you.

You listen back to the episode and

you're like, oh, that's not

me today,

but that's possible.

That's who I can be.

Through the Spirit, I can be

used no matter what.

And,

You know, I mean,

I imagine that was

somewhat

encouraging to you,

if not just eye opening.

It was encouraging, but it was also hard.

Yeah.

And those hard things

are important.

You know, we need those.

It's because no

one likes backsliding.

No.

And I'm so good

at it.

I mean, we're all great at

backsliding.

But I am especially

good.

I was thinking

that in a way,

us being honest,

even to a point that people,

other Christians might say,

hey, this is not

a good

witness.

You shouldn't be doing this.

I

think in a

way,

us being

honest

like this to an

audience and vulnerable

is

one

of the greatest

acts of faith that

we could

have.

Yeah.

Because we are

trusting

that

God and His Word

is going to,

in the end,

overcome

our

own failure.

And we're okay with

showing how

horrible and how

messed up we actually are.

Yeah.

Because we believe

that

that's

going to be the ultimate outcome.

And if that's true,

it's okay.

Yeah.

That today, I'm not as good

as I was two

weeks ago.

Well, and

so

this gets into episode

five, quite literally.

But episode five

is choice.

And the reality

of us doing this

podcast and being honest with

everyone

is

that

we are

choosing

to

sacrifice

what we probably

actually want, which is to

hide away and isolate

ourselves and

not

put it on

display.

Because really, we're putting it on

display and that's uncomfortable,

and that produces shame.

And

it

can stir

up issues within our

hearts and our minds.

But

I

think about

when

you go to get baptized,

the way you should get baptized is

before believers,

before the

congregation,

because you are

now

accountable.

Yeah, you're accountable to

all of them.

And so you've

opened yourself up to

the

whole body.

And what

we're doing here is

opening ourselves

up to the whole body

in a different way.

But also using

our gifts, using what we

have to do so.

And

it's

useful.

It's not

just

us

making cool content and

then we get up and leave.

It's us.

Eventually, we're going to get

feedback

and people are going to be

like, hey, you guys

suck and

here's why.

And hopefully it's constructive because

that's what we ask for.

But we're going to

get honesty.

We're going to get people that

think we're the devil,

whatever.

And

we're

choosing to do this

because

being

honest, being open

with your

life is

not kind of,

is something that we're called to

do

with

your

brothers and sisters in Christ,

those that you're close to,

open up to.

And we're not close to our audience

necessarily, but

something that

I've learned

being

someone that used

to keep everything from everybody

is that I

have a lower,

excuse me,

a higher

capacity to share

things that a lot of

people would be like, whoa, that's

way too personal.

Oh, I was talking about this

with Steven the other day.

Yeah, keep going.

But the thing

about that is,

I'm doing

that on purpose.

I can talk

about my struggle with

depression, anxiety,

suicide, all that stuff all day

long.

And I'll say it to someone that

I just met.

Literally the guy that I met

at, I said,

the community,

I brought that up with him.

And he's like, oh yeah, I also

deal with that again.

With that concept of my

experience is not my own.

So it's useful for somebody else,

especially in the body to edify and all

that different stuff.

But

the

more you

talk about your

struggle, the easier it

becomes.

We should

be open.

We should be allowing

ourselves

to be vulnerable like

that because the more we

do it, we're building a

muscle.

We're building a habit.

We're building up

something that it...

is a strength.

As men,

we're kind of getting away

from that because of feminism,

but

as

men,

we're still kind of

stuck in this weird

in between of like, I

can't share

anything about

myself personally.

I have to just power

through, keep going,

whatever.

And again, we're kind of moving away from
that.

We're in

the

mental

health era of

psychology, if you will.

But it

is a strength

to be able to cry in front

of people, something I'm still

working on.

But,

and to just be

vulnerable, to be open

to

not hide everything

away.

Because when you hide everything away,

I mean, the Bible even says like,

isolation opens you up

to the devil.

He's going to come and get you

in isolation.

The more you set

yourself away from

those that are there to protect

you, to help you, to edify

you,

to correct you, whatever,

the more you're giving opportunity

to the devil,

to pounce.

He's creeping out the door and

you have to

take control.

And that's directly from God.

He said it

to Cain,

but it was all of us.

And I mean, that's at the very beginning
of

the frigging book.

You could

spend a lot of time

meditating on that

and be like, I'm not

taking control of anything,

especially as a new believer.

Like I can't imagine being a new believer

and being like, ouch.

But yeah,

we also talked about love and free will.

And I mean,

all those things

point

to love

for sure.

And God giving

us the opportunity

to mess

up and

to fall

short and

all that different

stuff.

We talked about it in this episode

is loving.

It is,

I mean,

we heard it on

Thursday,

Jason talking about

Proverbs

10,

14, I think it was,

which had to

do with

the

wise man

will, oh,

I think it's

seek out

wisdom,

something like that.

In the full.

The wisely of

knowledge, but the mouth of the

full

brings ruin

near.

No,

I think it's the next one.

10, 15.

Maybe it was 13.

What's the third name?

What's 13?

13 is on

the lips of him who

has understanding wisdom is

found,

but a rod is for the back of

him who lacks sense.

That's the one.

Okay.

So

yeah,

I mean, but God

isn't giving

the rod to the

fool because he hates him

and he doesn't want him to,

the rod is a symbol

of correction.

It's a symbol of,

hey, by the way, you just messed

up.

You did something wrong.

You are not

being wise

right now.

Dude, I felt so cold out.

Dude,

I mean, yeah.

Like,

hello, I'm the fool.

Hey, how did you know my

name?

I don't know.

I don't know.

What's my middle name?

What's my middle name?

Literally

it's

spelled.

That's O -A.

Bullish for short, but.

Pretty short.

But yeah,

and this is

all tied to

our choice.

We were given some

sort of semblance

of choice

because God wants us

to love him.

He wants us to sacrifice

our

sinfulness,

sacrifice what it is that our

heart desires

so that we

can be with

him.

Yes.

Yeah, so he gave us a

choice so that we could give it up.

Yeah, and I mean,

and we talked about this

around the trees

because that was

the first choice.

It's like, hey, give this up.

Don't listen to the serpent.

Don't listen to your own

ideas.

Listen to what God actually said.

And the thing that really bothered

me that I hated

that Jason said is like, you

don't, and I literally

said this to my sister afterwards

or like the day after,

it's like, you don't have

to

go

through this.

You don't have to do this.

Like because of

wisdom,

because people will have

told you, you don't have

to do this.

And I know this in practice, but

like really

him hashing

that out over and

over and over again.

At least 10 times.

Yeah, I was like, okay, buddy,

I hear you.

But I've already done it.

I don't want this anymore.

I know

you're definitely talking about

other people that couldn't apply

to me.

And then I'm like, well,

what I was thinking is like,

I've already done it, so I'm a lost cause.

But that's also not true.

I don't I don't have to do it anymore.

I mean, that's your choice.

You can be a last cause if you really

want to be.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm just giving you a

glimpse in the audience, a glimpse

of where I was just

Thursday.

Such is life.

And it begs the question

in the decay,

what were the trees there at?

Why were the trees there at all?

You've mentioned both.

You framed it so well

in the last 30

seconds.

Choice was given to us so that

we could give it up,

not only because it's

true love,

but because it's a real

sacrifice.

Did you write that down?

I wrote that down.

Okay.

Stream of consciousness.

While you're talking, I'm paying attention

and my fingers are flying.

Wow.

It's funny.

But you said that basically.

I made it better, but you said that.

I noticed you.

I'm like, that doesn't sound like it.

That sounds more alkaline than how

I said it.

Thank you.

You're a street writer.

No,

but you're writing a book.

That's true.

Shout out.

I want to

do some time machining back.

Sure.

So also,

I also share

things that seem

very personal

with random

people.

As long as they're

comfortable with it,

and as long as they want to hear

about it, I'm an

open book.

You could ask me

about near

anything and I will talk

to you about it.

Yeah.

But,

and I was talking to Steven about this

two Thursdays ago, I think.

No, three Thursdays ago.

And I

realized

where I

struggle, the

most is

asking

for

help.

Yeah.

I think you said that on the pod too.

Yeah.

Not only asking for

help,

but

asking for

help in a way that

I am reliant on that

person and

they could hurt me.

And I'm choosing

to allow

them

the chance to hurt

me.

That's where I struggle the most.

And if it weren't for this season, I

don't

think I would have come to that
conclusion.

So not only has this

season so far

been amazing, high

opening,

so fun,

and brought a

ton of purpose into my

life

in so many different ways,

which makes me so excited.

And I've got

two even better

friends out of it.

I mean, you guys were friends before this

too, but I feel

like we hang out

a lot more.

Yeah, we got a

movie

night now.

Yeah, we had a movie night last week.

Which we're into.

We got Thursday

night.

Thursday night with

community.

And Dax.

We already Dax Jason.

So Jason, get on the

pod, Brad.

Get on the pod, dude.

Be a supporter.

And then yeah, we have

Saturdays.

Yeah,

every other day.

So we hang out a lot.

And so I've not only gained

insight and knowledge

and a new perspective

and a new love and a new

desire for the word.

I've also

felt

like God

is

using me,

you and you,

despite

the

facts

that

all of us are useless

sinners,

me,

of the three of us

being the worst.

And I

was

brought kicking and screaming

to this

podcast

with a

mask

on of

sorts.

And this podcast has

forced me to

take it off.

Take it off.

And see

how

much of a

hypocrite I actually am.

And this like,

not only

a glaring like

flashlight on my

inconsistencies,

but I would say something

more intense than a laser beam.

My inconsistent

charm.

And that's

why I said it's uncomfortable

when I was listening

to this yesterday

at

work.

And I heard myself

so

enthralled,

I think that's the right word.

So excited about God

and his

character

and the

plans that he has for us.

And me knowing

me and knowing what I

was thinking at the time, knowing that was

genuine.

And where did it go?

And so

the

fact that that's gone

is on

me.

That's hard.

Well, I don't know, I

wouldn't say that it's gone.

No, no, the fact that I'm out of that

moment.

Yeah.

And I lost that moment

of faith just like Peter starts

thinking.

Yeah, right.

But I'm not saying

it's gone forever.

No, I'm not

saying anything

about that.

I think that there was an

emotion there.

No, I think it

was

a

gift a gift of faith

at that time.

Right.

But also...

I feel that

I'm more caught up in

emotion now.

Okay.

Than I was then.

That's fair.

But what has

changed?

Because

this

is a whole podcast.

But there's a thing

that I struggle with

that idea.

It's like we look back and it's like, oh,
I

had more faith

or I

was more

faithful or whatever at

this, at such and such

point.

It was like a hilltop

moment.

Yeah.

But that's not

the

most...

You got to put that knot in

your way, dude.

Is that the third time you've thrown

that on the floor?

Well, I...

He wants to throw it on the floor.

I move the cord and then it

knocks.

I just

got to make that cord better for...

You need like one of those

pull cord things connected

to you.

But falls off.

Yeah.

That'd be good

except for this

thing's heavy

enough where it makes

the cord.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Heavy duty one.

Yeah, seriously.

I got one of those on my keys.

Anyways,

but...

It's cool.

The most

faithful

men in

the Bible were the most

faithless.

Yeah, best sheep.

Moses,

for Pete's sake,

writer of

some of the most

important books

in the Bible.

Yeah.

I mean, we're reading through one of his

books.

He didn't

have...

One, he didn't have the Holy Spirit.

Two...

Which is nuts.

He didn't have

faith in God.

He was present.

And God said, I'm going to show

you my faith,

present this.

And as long as you do

this thing, you are

faithful.

But it's not the faithfulness that

we think of, which

is, oh, I believe you,

God.

So I'm going to move forward.

It's him saying, no,

this is me.

You're going to be witness

to this.

It doesn't matter what you're

thinking or feeling

because you're

here right now.

You're going to experience

this.

And here's the thing.

What you do with that

is your choice.

But you're moving forward.

Or excuse me, but if you're moving

forward,

that's faith.

So you're saying

faith is

the faith

that I had then...

You felt better about

yourself and your faith

at that time.

But just because I've

moved forward and now

I feel a different way, does

not mean I have any less faith.

Yeah.

That was put into

the faith bank

and

it has not

been withdrawn.

Yeah.

I think especially because you

were able to look back at it,

it's like a motivational

factor.

It is, yeah.

And it's nice

to see those moments and be like,

wow, I was so on fire and I

felt a certain

way.

But like...

can I remember it, yeah.

I think if you were to have

lost that faith,

you would not be

putting

in any effort in this

I guess

since...

Was it last year?

Yeah, last year I

got

to a point where I

think

I was the

closest

to

deciding not to be a

Christian

that

I've ever been.

And I realized

that's impossible.

Well, dang it.

Think about it.

annoyed me.

Think about relationships,

okay?

As

a human

being,

you're not

faithless

to

your

significant

other,

to your friends or

whoever, because

you're

not feeling

it.

You're faithless

because you've decided

to walk away,

not associate with them

anymore,

not care about what's going on

with them, and

you don't give them the time of day.

That's not being faithful to your

spouse.

It's just deciding, I'm going

to go to someone else.

I don't need you.

I don't want this,

whatever.

And just completely...

Right.

I'm saying back then,

but

that's

completely devoid of

doing the things that

you know you should be

doing.

And right now you're

hanging out with people that you

know care about you,

wants to point you towards

Christ.

You're still going to community even

though you have days that you don't

want to.

Again,

you're hanging out with us.

I've been failing

at reading Scripture

too, but the thing is

that you're also thinking about it.

It's also bothering you.

You're listening to the podcast and you're

being reminded.

You wouldn't do those things

if you

weren't still

trying to move forward.

Those are the moments in which

we are

still doing this

podcast, which is

for the glory of God.

And if you didn't

want anything...

for the glory of God, you would not be

doing this podcast,

as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah.

And I think

that's

exactly why this is a gift

to us.

Yeah,

absolutely.

And why this podcast,

in my mind, is already successful.

Yeah.

Because

it's

forcing me to face the music.

It's forcing me to grow up.

It's forcing me to

not stagnate.

Ever.

To open

my eyes and realize

where I'm failing,

where I'm

backpedaling, where I'm falling

down.

And it's

crazy.

Because,

like I

say,

I can

talk about some

very personal things with

a complete stranger.

Yeah.

As long as they ask me.

But another thing that

I hate to do is

just

talk to someone

who

doesn't

ask.

Yeah.

And that's effectively what we're

doing here.

And so this is out of

my comfort zone.

Even though I love talking,

it's out of my comfort zone.

Because

I

know there's going to

be people commenting

on this very video,

maybe.

Definitely.

Saying, you guys

suck at this.

You should

tell yourself.

Or you should never do this again.

You should.

We're going to get death threats.

Dude, I'm going to be excited.

I'm just not going to read them.

But it

does not

sit

well with me.

If someone wants to hear

what I have to

say,

I will talk

to them about the most uncomfortable

things.

And I'll be totally fine with it.

I'm just asserting myself on

people that haven't asked

me to.

And it makes it

so much more

difficult.

Because to me,

it seems like I have to be

perfect

in a

way.

No.

Because when...

Be perfect as your heavenly Father is

perfect, right?

Yeah.

I mean, that's the challenge.

I don't know.

Maybe I should be talking to my therapist
about

this.

We're doing this podcast.

When someone asks

me about

myself,

and

I'm

a horrible person, here you go.

It's kind of their fault for

asking.

But when I

go walk

up to a random person and

be like, hey, can I talk to you?

I'm a horrible person.

Yeah.

Now that makes me feel

bad because

they weren't

asking for that.

That's the thing.

It depends

who's

that person.

If that person...

This is why

I

do impose myself on

people.

Because

I've

had people impose themselves

on me

who just...

You know?

And I want

that from people.

But people don't...

Bros, dude.

All over your shoes?

All over my shoes, dude.

How many shoes do you have?

I want it...

I want to hear the squish.

I want to smell

all

that.

Breakfast, lunch,

dinner,

full of shebang.

All over the place.

Yeah.

It has to be...

Look, if it's not nasty,

I don't want it.

I don't care.

It's got to be nasty.

If it has a sweet smell, get it.

If it's just

frosting, disgusting.

I want...

No.

The meats.

Give me the meats.

But no,

I want...

Oh, dear God.

I want people

to

just

pour all that

out.

Because

it's

valuable to them.

Yeah.

Obviously, they...

Anybody that's done that, I've never
thought,

oh, they didn't need this.

agree.

I I want people to pour

that out because I can handle it as well.

And that is...

I think I did say that.

I say very personal things

because I know other people have a

very difficult time doing

it.

Yeah.

Because it opens them up.

And I know it.

Oh, they're willing to say this crazy

thing.

It makes them uncomfortable.

It makes them uncomfortable.

Yeah.

I'm the first guy to stand

up.

I don't care.

Yeah.

It does not make me uncomfortable to

show people,

oh, messed up I am.

Yeah.

So that's the one exception

to someone

not asking me to

bleh.

Yeah.

You know?

But if the

person

is there

for that,

then in

my opinion, and we were

talking about the closeness of friends

earlier in the car today.

Like,

they...

You essentially

signed a contract, an unwritten

contract.

That is, I am here

to be

a

tool for

you when when you

need.

whatever.

And I mean, some people are like, okay,
you need

to have boundaries for

that.

It's like, yeah, you need to have
boundaries, but

also

if

someone is going to

you, they

freaking trust

you.

And

I've

had people be like, oh,

you need the not

chairs or things,

you need to hold back.

It's like me

who trusts

next

to nobody.

You sure.

You're a bully.

You're about to do some crazy

stuff.

Yeah, oh, but

I've trained my

whole life

to share at

the level that I do, because

I know that it's useful,

but there's a million

and one things that I don't.

What do you mean by, are you sure

about that, Steven?

Because one, I was able

to come over

during the first

episode of the podcast.

No questions asked.

Yeah,

fair.

I'm invited to your parents'

house.

That

puts a

lock in someone.

That I'm not gonna do

anything wrong

this way.

You have to understand

that

the way that

my family

structures

is

opening themselves

up,

whether this isn't spoken

about, this isn't an obvious

thing.

It's just this hospitality

in

our family

is opening ourselves up

to danger.

Yeah.

And that's what

hospitality really

is, because

my grandparents,

my grandpa will go

and hand out food.

At any point, he can be killed.

He's hanging, I mean, he does

Spanish ministry,

and we're right near the

border,

artels everywhere.

He can be killed at any point.

He wants

to be a missionary.

He wants to invite people

into his

home.

That's pretty cool.

And he can be killed at

any point.

That's not a question.

But he's been

in

Chile

when he did ministry.

He could put a jacket on.

Funny.

I mean,

he had

multiple

opportunities,

excuse me, he had multiple

situations in which he

could have been killed.

Yeah, multiple opportunities as

a Christian.

And yeah,

but even in this

house,

I mean, we had our house

broken into

at our old

place.

Oh, yeah,

don't worry about it.

I'll pay for it.

Right.

I didn't even know you back

then.

That's so weird.

No, you didn't know.

I remember seeing your face back

there.

You were like on the cameras.

I recognize you.

That actually explains why you took all
our

tech.

It's weird.

But I mean,

you open yourselves up

to danger

when you invite people

in.

And the thing is, it's like,

I've kind of always

done that.

I pick and choose

my battles because I'm not gonna

do that for everybody because I need

to

limit myself.

But yes, I guess

there is a sense of trust,

but like.

I mean,

you have a proxy

too.

Like you trust

me more

than him.

Yeah.

Even though at the time you hadn't

met him briefly.

But that trust proxy.

But you also

have to understand that

I

at any given

point

am not afraid

to do

whatever it takes

to

keep

everything in order,

keep the safety that needs to be

had.

And that looks like

me

even turning

back to my old manipulative

ways to completely

destroy somebody.

And I know this beyond a shadow of

a doubt.

I'm in danger.

If anybody

turned on me

for any

given reason,

you're not going

to be okay

afterwards.

This seems like a threat, dude.

I specifically,

well, I

specifically tell people,

I realize this now,

I do tell

people about my

past because if they

can't handle

that, if they don't want

anything to do with that,

if they're fearful

in any way,

shape or form because

of my past like

that.

And because I'm going to

protect

my friends, my

family, whatever,

if it comes to

that.

My filtering

process drives out the

people that are of

actual

full on danger.

Because

I'm

offensive,

I will uncover

everything that I

possibly need to about

you.

Yes, as a defense

mechanism, but also

I don't

mess her out.

It's not a joke to me.

It's not funny.

And

anybody

that thinks

that they can

be a danger.

Fine.

I

truly,

there's a part of me,

maybe a little bit on the decay

or fallen side,

that really wants

somebody to try because

the decay

counterparts

instead of like

dark Michael.

It's the

antithesis

of me.

Yeah.

Well, maybe not the antithesis, but

anyways,

the antithesis of the

Christ centered

side.

How about that?

Anyways,

but yeah, there's

a part of me that really wants

somebody to try because

I

don't hold back on people

when

I know it

needs to

be done.

And I've recognized that in

myself and

that terrifies me

because

I

won't.

When's the last time you've actually

done that in

practicality?

I've never gone all out on

somebody.

I've gotten

really

close

to maybe

like halfway.

Most of the time,

I at

all times want to just

spout

every little thing

that I see on somebody, but that's

not useful for anybody.

So

that's

all the time I

want to do that.

So I'm

maybe like

10%, but

I've

gotten to 50 % where I'm just like,

okay, you're going to sit there.

I'm going to tell you

everything that's going on.

You're going to listen or you're going to
get the

freak out

and that's it.

And there's nothing else.

And that's me,

one, protecting them,

also protecting

me and

everybody else that I know.

And I've driven people far.

That doesn't seem like manipulation

to me.

No, that's not manipulation.

But well, actually, yes,

it is manipulation because I'm saying

everything that I possibly

can and have to in order

to make sure that

you never want to come back.

So I've handpicked

the exact wording, the

exact tone, the exact

things,

everything.

Manipulation is...

I know what you're going to say.

Tell me what I'm going to say.

That's the thing.

No, tell me what I'm going to say.

Okay,

well, okay.

The thing that I thought you were going to
say

was that it's

some kind of buildup.

Like

I'm

leading up

to

whatever.

I'm conditioning you

for something.

Sort of.

It's, I think of it as

like inception.

Yeah, you're planning a thought in
someone's

head.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

You're laying the

groundwork so that

it's easier for that

person to slip in that way.

Not to slip.

Not to go in that direction.

Okay, yeah, actually, yeah,

absolutely.

Like there's no way you can force them

to do it.

No,

if they're going to slip up, they're going
to

slip up because I've landed that

opportunity for them.

And that's why I

come off the way that I do.

Because hey, so here's an

opportunity for you to slip up.

You probably don't want this

so you can leave.

And actually you're going to leave of your
own

volition because you

don't want to endure that at

all.

Yeah.

Just like any

skill in life and

then after this we should keep

going.

We should keep going.

It's a right to.

It can be used for good things and can

be used for bad things.

Yeah.

Just don't go to the dark side,

Michael, please.

I'm not going to the dark side.

But

the

next episode is

about Will.

It's episode 5 .5

actually.

Oh, 5 .5.

But the reason I bring it up is because

that was our New Year's episode.

Real.

Will for real?

That doesn't make

any sense.

Will Ferrell?

Will Ferrell?

Will.

Will.

For real?

Did it by end.

But yeah,

I'm excited for next

year.

Are we doing it 5 .5?

No, I'm saying for

us to, you know.

Wait a minute.

Maybe we should look back at this

year's.

New Year's, you were doing your

music.

Yeah, New Year's Day.

But I'm saying this is our New Year's
episode

and that it was the New Year.

Oh, it was the first one.

Yeah.

And then we talked about Will, which

is a continuation

of our choice

episode.

That's why it's 0 .5.

And I think,

yeah, we just continued on that

subject because we're like,

we're going to really ask that.

So let's just continue.

Did we beat that horse dead?

We beat dead.

It didn't have any meat or bones

though.

But

I

think a big portion of it, I

think the big reason why

we talked about it is because I

was writing my book

that

day, I think.

Was that the episode where you asked

if we could have

free will?

Would we want it?

I don't...

Maybe.

But let me read this first

and then I'll go back to that page.

But what I wrote in

my book was

want,

desire, desire,

volition.

religion, this is...

part of the definition of will.

Even

determination,

these words reflect

every step we've ever

taken, every decision,

every conclusion, every perceived

option.

Our will is

the

bounds in which

perception focuses

away from just our

nature and nurture

curated reactions and

beliefs and forms

reality into

our own.

And

that is

to

say reality into

our own,

that

it's

our perspective

of reality.

It's what we've made

our

work because of our experience.

We use that experience

to determine in

our own minds what

reality is, what

life is.

Not meaning that it is the

truth, but meaning

that it is

how we view things.

And if you will,

our truth.

So in the ideas and notes,

that question is in there,

do we actually want free will?

All freedom is what we called it.

I

remember

listening to this one too.

That was

the

main emphasis that

stayed with

me at least.

Well, I mean, and it's talking,

again, rehashing the whole

choice issue,

but I wanted to bring in

the perspective of

will,

one because I was talking

about it.

And the will in which I was

talking about in my

book

had to do with

willingness

to try

and the whole relationship

thing,

which I think I've talked about on the

podcast, probably have, because I talk
about it

all the freaking time.

But it's,

you know, based off of my

experience,

based off of my perception of the

world, does this

fit

within

the bounds of what

I am willing to do?

And so am I willing to

try in

this thing?

And free will

is,

you know, I'm free

to do

whatever I will,

right?

Actually, that was

another

hand, so that has to be.

We're on drugs.

I don't know.

But yeah, that was

a 0

.5 or second

0 .5, technically

our third patron episode.

Right,

did you say patron?

Okay.

Yeah,

well, we're third patron,

third patron.

Patron.

Patron,

patron, patron.

That should be the different levels.

We got

patron,

that's level one.

We got

patron,

you know who

you are.

We got

patron,

patron,

patron,

patron.

Did a fine.

That's the 10, then we got

patron

on,

on, parentheses

on.

And then all of us

were

on drugs.

One of us.

Were on drugs.

Yeah, yeah, man.

Did they?

So then.

Dude, there's so many people that

have no idea.

Yeah, we just.

And that's everybody.

That's guaranteed.

Guaranteed.

I mean, we don't even, 100

% of people have

no idea what is, did

a fine.

No clue.

No clue.

But if you go on our Patreon.

Including us.

Including us.

No, no.

My sister confirmed it.

She did.

Yes.

You got to tell.

And you have to go on Patreon episode to

find out.

After you specifically.

I'm the one who's gonna make it.

I'm just kidding.

No, no.

So it's did you

find and

defined?

That's what they are.

Did you find, did you find?

Defined.

I did find.

No,

defined and did you

find?

What was the context?

I don't know what the context was.

It was did you find

and defined.

Yeah.

It was probably just a word that we were
trying to

define.

Ah, man, we're never gonna remember.

I don't know.

We're not gonna remember the context,

but I know the word.

It was so perfect.

Like I kept, that entire day

I kept on like

merging

whole

bunches

of words into the

single

BS

word.

We need like, we

need stickers or something for that.

That's funny.

Episode six

called

new,

which

brought in a

new segment, which is funny.

So check -in, which we

are doing

still.

Perfumed section.

We were in Genesis two,

four through

three,

or two five

or three.

How do you do that?

I don't know.

This one Genesis

two or

three,

whatever it

was.

Seriously, two, four,

two verse four.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Cause we spend a lot of time

on the free, on the free will

make any

progress.

Yep.

Wow.

Yeah.

We just felt we needed

to talk about the truth.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

Four episodes whole.

Okay.

So you proceeded to

read four

through

the rest of the chapter

in that

first.

So technically.

Yeah.

And then we proceeded to

not read it ever again.

So four episodes later.

So technically the,

all those episodes, what we decided

at episode seven was

that we went through two and three

pretty much all the way.

We hit all the topics.

We did read

portions.

Yeah.

We read the entirety

of it.

Yeah, we did.

We didn't like.

Yeah.

I do remember talking about

each portion

here.

So we've got

fours, the

genera, like, okay, here's the

intro to how

God created the whole earth.

This is what it was like.

Let's see,

there was the garden,

there was man.

Then here's

how the layout

of the garden was.

Then see here,

verse 15,

how God

gave man a mission.

And then the command.

Hey, so here's your purpose.

And here's the

one command,

don't eat from this tree.

And then the warning,

you'll die if you do.

And then the rest from

there is the spiral.

So yeah, I guess we did

go through

all

of that.

Yeah.

And it was

just sort

of.

Hot up in bits and pieces

all over the place.

Let's grab this one over

here and bring this one over

here.

I think the reason for

that is because

maybe you

have to, I've never asked,

but I've thought

about

this portion of

history

excessively.

And you could see that

in the episodes

that I had a

predefined opinion

of like

why God gave

Adam

the ability to

sin

knowing

that

if

someone's alive forever,

if they have infinite

time

to

make a choice, infinity

times one

equals one.

Yeah.

So if

one is sin and infinity

is the life that God gave Adam

and Eve,

they will sin.

Does that make

what God did

immoral?

No, because the

overarching story

that God had in

mind

proven when God

dishes out the curses

and says,

don't be too smug, Satan.

Go girl Eve

is gonna

have a

man child

that's gonna crush

your head.

So funny in a t -shirt.

Funny in a,

your girl Eve is

about to have a man

child.

That's funny.

Cause I guess in

this episode, that's where we talk

about Adam being

from dust and Eve being

from Adam.

And probably into

that.

We talk about free will

again, still.

I mean, it's fascinating.

God's creation,

the serpent's role, you talked

about blame.

I guess maybe

this was the episode that we actually

talked about.

Do we actually want free will?

Yeah.

I think that conversation

closed the

conversation on free will.

Yeah.

Cause we all decided

we don't want free will.

This was the episode that I was

listening to yesterday.

Oh yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Cause I got real passionate

at the end

saying,

no, I don't want

free will.

And I'm just gonna

trust in God

because I know whatever

he's gonna do,

I have no idea what it's gonna be.

Yeah.

But he's,

I know it's gonna be good.

Yeah.

We also talked about God

guiding Adam

to realize there was no

suitable partner.

No what partner?

No suitable partner.

Ah.

Which tied in the whole

free will thing.

Yeah.

Wow.

How many episodes did I listen to
yesterday?

I have no idea.

But the most

important thing

that came from that episode, do you

remember?

At the very end of the

episode.

This is called new?

Yes.

Give me a second.

No idea.

But if I can tell me, it's,

hold on.

Hold on.

Hold on.

We had an email.

No.

We had a brand new

email on there.

No.

Yeah.

It says it in this.

The most important, is

that what the AI says?

No, the most important

thing was that was

when we

or I

presented the challenge of us

reading the Bible outside

of this podcast.

No, that wasn't that episode.

It was the silent episode

before this.

You're probably right.

It was the episode that we,

it was.

so good.

And you took notes on it and

thank God you did.

I didn't,

I wrote it, I wrote that

down.

Because you did not record the

audio.

You know what?

Because I was planning on

doing it for episode six.

I didn't do it for episode six.

And then we got to episode seven.

I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna do it
because everything

lined up for

it, I think.

In our original episode.

So it wasn't even,

so this episode,

it was part of the

introduction.

We've been reading

about Proverbs.

Even's been

showing

off and

trying to get the

valedictorian physician.

I'm already done with the show.

See,

he's still doing it.

I'm at Romans right now.

Oh my gosh, holy.

From Proverbs to Romans,

that's a lot of Bible.

No, I

started on

Romans.

I'm judging.

You're ready, fast.

Mard.

A little faster.

See the ladder, just wait for you.

Slow pokes, slow

books.

Let's see.

Yeah, I mean,

you said in the

group chat,

we're gonna read, what

was it, like one

through

four, whatever, and so you

read the first four chapters.

Yeah, yeah.

So it was on the silent

episode that we forgot to

record the sound.

Yeah.

That was such a good episode.

That was such a good episode.

And then we had, yeah, we had to rerecord

it.

It's called life.

But we read

Genesis

four, one through eight.

That's when we started that.

That's when we talked about the man child.

Wait,

that one was called life?

Yeah, life.

I thought you were talking about, so in

this episode, new,

is when you started thinking about

it.

That's when I started thinking about it,
yeah.

About challenge, I guess.

You're giving us a

look inside.

Oh yeah.

All right.

Oh, you know what?

I put check, okay, so here's

the thing.

The real notes, I looked back at,

when we did episode

seven, the first one,

I looked back at our

notes,

at my notes on episode six.

I had come up with these things.

And so episode

seven is when we talked about

Adam from Dusty from

Adam.

Yeah.

And then that's also

when we talked about,

I guess the suitable partner

thing.

And that's also when I was

like, oh, we should,

I challenged us to

read the Bible.

Which we should have been

doing all along.

Yeah, I think

that was around the

same time.

I don't remember.

Some point, at some point we were like,

we need to start praying.

Or like - That was Steven.

Yeah, Steven brought it up.

I don't remember when

he said that.

I should have written that down.

I that think was episode four.

Was it episode four?

But yeah,

oh no, maybe it was

episode seven.

Because I think I was

like, oh wow,

we're praying now.

And if we're praying,

and we're reading the

Bible on this podcast.

Oh, you know what?

And you had brought up

on episode seven,

the original, you were like,

I think we should

set

more time

aside for us to

work on the podcast.

And I'm like, if we're sending time aside

for working on the podcast, we need

to be in the Word.

Yeah, if we needed a side time

for God.

And when you said that, I was

like,

yeah,

dust.

Yeah,

but this is also where we

talked about life expectancy,

pregnancy after the curse,

intermarrying,

and genetic disorder.

Episode seven.

Yeah,

what a lot.

This is also the one

where Steven

brought up the

human psyche of living

hundreds of years.

True, what a

crazy question.

Dude, episode seven was

wild.

And we talked about memory, we talked
about

maturity,

all that different

stuff.

Let me,

so here's the thing,

take some notes.

Based off of this,

the following sections,

there's a lot of notes of ideas

to do for podcasts.

Time

slash

God time

traveling.

Christophany.

Christophany.

That could be fun,

I need to talk about.

In episode seven, I

wrote,

natural disasters

caused by sin?

Question mark.

Yes.

We could get into that.

I also talked about memory,

blame shift with

AI, not knowing the

truth.

And then

this

is also something.

Wait, blame shifting AI,

not knowing the truth?

No, blame shifting with

AI,

semicolon not knowing

the truth.

Blame,

hold on.

I remember when we wrote this

down, this was in the car, right?

Blame shifting

with

AI?

Blame me, colon,

Not knowing the truth.

Yeah.

I so that I brought

so us not knowing the

truth and

AI basically being

Being a big

cause of us not being

able to know the

truth or like not

knowing truth

And it's and it

also not knowing the truth.

Oh

Yeah, yeah that

Yuri feeling of

getting caught by the AI

yeah, yeah that

part down

And then

I think we actually

had talked about this but

the

Does value of life

go down with a longer

life which I think was tied

into the

7 .1.

Yeah

When we when we talked

about the human psyche of living

hundreds of years does

the value of

life?

Go down

with longer life

which

naturally

Definitely doesn't but

episode 8

Is Called

lies.

Yeah, and is about

the first murder.

Yeah Genesis

4 8 through 9

we

Talk about Cain

and his interaction

with Abel interaction is

a nice way of putting it

To which we talked

about human responsibility

We talked about the

difference of humans and

animals in

regards to instincts.

We had a long talk

about that Yeah,

yeah, which we could have

a whole episode

about free will

And all that and talk about

instincts at the

same time and I think we

kind of did Yeah, but

I think we could

we get a point five episode about

that.

I think we should do a point five

Miss

even

talked about that for a solid hour.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah seems kind of let's say about

that He

wasn't listening.

Could you say it again?

instincts and free

will Oh

animals

Mm -hmm and humans

expound please

Those were four words.

It's all I got the difference of

humans and animals in

regards to instincts and

how free will ties

into insect

is instinct free

will or is it

Worse is it

due to pre -determinism

pretty terminus.

I do remember.

Yeah talking for

at least two hours

Yeah, well, I

remember you had an

idea and my idea

was sort of opposite of

yours and Steven took

my side

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah cuz

I'm better

You're pretty that's right.

You know pretty purple

pretty purple pretty

purple Put a pretty purple purple

purple purple pretty purple privileged

Lord

The decay portion.

We talked about Cain's

Motivation.

Yeah death in the

world you talked about

entropy cuz that's what

favorite objects.

I love bitch

But actually no, I hate

entropy but but you

love this proves

evolution.

Yeah, my mind

There's too many

things that actually

disprove evolution in my mind.

And then there's human

relationship with

creation.

And then we talked about the

modern fall.

Oh, the book.

The book idea.

Yeah.

Ooh.

That was which episode?

That was episode eight.

Bro, I'm gonna have to go

listen to that.

We need to listen.

Yeah, I'm

looking at these notes and I'm

like, I want to hear

a second one.

Yeah.

Okay, so the book idea.

Crazy idea.

What if Adam

and Eve did not fall?

What if we fell

today?

Whoa, whoa,

whoa.

Would we be wearing clothes?

Here's the thing.

Here's the thing.

No death in the world.

Nothing.

Until this

year or last

year or sometime in the

21st century.

Bro,

2030.

All those people

would

still be alive.

Yeah.

Elves?

Yeah.

They'd basically be like elves.

Like short people?

Elves.

Elven.

Fantasy elves

that live for hundreds,

you know, thousands

of years are basically immortal.

conversations had of series this We've at
least three times on this

podcast.

Sorry, I forgot your

nad culture didn't...

I have the mind of a goldfish.

We've discussed this.

We could have the same

conversation a hundred

times and it'd be new every

time.

I have the mind of a goldfish.

We've discussed this.

We could have the same discussion

every time.

Wait, elves from like the North

Pole?

We could have the same discussion.

I have the mind of an elephant.

I have the mind.

My mom's an AI.

She has the mind of an AI.

I have the mind

of...

Shut up!

No, ma!

I ain't doing this no more.

Getcha!

It's midnight by the way.

It's midnight by the way.

Probably shouldn't be yelling.

Parents are probably asleep.

Sorry.

But it was pretty good.

It was pretty good.

That was beautiful.

That was a wonderful bit that we just

I'm did there.

gonna Had to have to be there.

be gonna had have I I'm keep mean, to
Yeah, there.

us be gonna have I'm to there.

up.

Yep.

My bad.

Because I said get your

butt?

Bum.

And your...

Dude, what the heck are you doing?

Why did you just say that for

it?

It

didn't

even make sense in a sentence.

I didn't

do it.

I didn't do it.

I didn't do it.

I didn't do it.

He was lying.

No, no, Episode 8 is

called lies.

Speaking of.

He doesn't lie.

Anyways, is my name !

Modernfall.

Good idea.

See how published works.

In the future.

If you are

someone who can

help make that project come

true, that would be

amazing.

Make it come true.

Honestly,

do it for us.

I just want to leave.

So that we don't have to do it.

I want to see it happen.

That'd be amazing.

Just like one bit.

But then, single prompt.

Done.

All of a sudden.

One mask.

Healing mask.

Chips and queso.

Chips and queso.

Episode 9

marked wonder.

Moving right along.

Genesis 4, 10

through 16.

God's question came.

The mark of came.

Sin and control.

We talked about.

We've already talked about.

Brought up.

You know, having about

sin crouching out the

door.

I have to take control

of it.

And the nature of

God's spirit.

Because they didn't have the spirit

back then.

We talked a lot

about that.

And then we also in

the decay portion talked about

Ecclesiastes, which

deeply tied into this.

Into the perfume section.

And relationships.

Governance and contracts.

Got a whole debate about that.

Contracts?

Yeah.

Oh, how contracts

and.

You thought contracts

and covenants are the same thing.

Yeah.

And you sort of won that.

They're essentially the same thing,

but they're not.

In the view of God.

Technically,

yeah, because I presented

the idea that God made

a covenant with us,

not us like

necessarily being like, Oh, hey,

God, we should make a

covenant.

A covenant.

It's more like, no, I'm making this
covenant

with you because

of whatever

happened.

So God made a

special contract with

man.

Called it a covenant.

The only difference

is that

his covenants

are one sided.

In

the

benefit of man.

Which is absolutely

not.

And his glory.

Yeah.

Well, primarily his glory.

Primarily.

And for good.

But it's quite

lopsided.

Yeah.

Well, because if you think about it, like
with

Adam,

Adam wasn't like, Hey, guy,

like, can you make covenant with me?

God was like, nah, you're gonna,

you know,

you're gonna

birth all the,

all the

people's, you know,

your look at the stars.

Adam's gonna.

You're gonna have.

Yeah.

From his womb, from your

womb.

I'm sorry.

What world are we in?

Um,

are we seahorses?

We're the future fall.

No.

We've talked about seahorses.

I know.

I'm just like, don't

start.

They have kangaroo pouches, but

they're wusses and they die in the
current.

It's a whole thing.

That's crazy.

Um,

but yeah, this is our

latest

actual episode.

Um,

cause this is episode 10, the

recap episode.

Oh, right.

Yeah.

But we're going to do the constitution.

What were we going to do with it?

I think that's going to be like,

I think it's still going

to be

posted after

episode nine.

Um, but I think

after it posted

and edited and everything,

I think it's going to be

pinned kind of like

at the top, like, Hey,

here's us talking

about our

podcast

constitution.

If you want to know

kind of more

about it, more of

the details,

um, that we hold to

and all that different stuff.

And it's a

unique episode.

Yeah, it is.

So it's a good standalone.

Yeah.

Um,

so my plan

worked.

It worked.

We are three hours.

So you, you cut

off a whole half hour.

Congrats.

No,

I brought us

exactly to where I wanted us to

get to, which is three hours.

Um,

so

thousand

foot view.

Yeah.

Uh, in your

own words,

Daniel,

to give time for,

uh, Stephen,

uh,

or I can answer it

first or, okay.

Depends on how hard the question

is.

I'll get, I'll thousand foot

view of

this season

and

maybe the

life,

the lifespan so

far of

podcasts.

I'll go first because

I'm

dropping a huge question.

Yeah.

Uh,

so the way I see

this, you never even

finished the question.

That was the question.

What's, what's the thought?

What's your thousand foot view

broad under.

understanding

of everything

that has happened from the inception

of this podcast

to now.

How about that?

Is that better?

Yeah.

Okay.

So,

the way I see,

I

guess, everything that's kind of gone on

with this

podcast

and us

going through

Genesis,

because we've talked about, like, possibly

going to other scriptures,

doing different things, which we

are planning

to do later.

But

especially

looking at

just the

beginning of everything,

as maybe cliche

as it may seem or

sound,

like,

this is the beginning

of the

podcast.

This is where everything started,

you know, all the

craziness

that's gone on, all the possibilities,

everything that's happened.

You know, I think episode

zero was really where

we felt,

and yes, I am doing this,

we felt that everything was

perfect.

And it's like, wow, this is

like what we can be, this

is how we can be, this is

awesome, this is so

fun.

And like,

let's

be

re

-listening as many

times as we had to the

very beginning of the

very, very first

episode.

It's like, wow, that's awesome.

I remember all of us,

we thought

for

sure we would hate hearing

our voices,

and we would not want to listen

to the whole episode.

But I

can't remember, you

listened to that whole episode too?

I did.

Okay.

And he hates our voices.

I hate my voice.

He loves

my buttery

smooth

voice.

He loves it when I talk

like Frank.

Hey, he's like,

oh,

stop.

Rainbows.

What a offshoot.

Rainbows.

But yeah, all of us.

This is all for

Steven.

Yeah, it is.

When you're listening to this

for a

first time.

Pervision.

That's right, Steven.

But only

illusions.

That's a callback, how about that?

Yeah.

But.

I just want to

shoot the screen with my

airsoft.

Make it end.

Especially when you started talking to me.

The beginning of

this

podcast,

I think, has really laid

out

everything

in terms of

who we're going

to be on this podcast,

what direction we want to head

in.

The point of the

Constitution

was

to

kind of

encapsulate everything.

What happened.

What happened.

And where we want to

be.

Us going

through the Word of God in the

way that we did,

hashing things out

on

huge,

hugely important topics that we're

probably going to rehash

because they,

everything that we see

in

Genesis

-4.

It's only the first time the theme shows

up.

Yeah.

And so

the

way we're dealing with it now

is going to change

and adjust with

time and with our lives

and everything.

A better way to say

it's going to change

and light about the

Scripture.

Yeah,

yeah.

As it should.

And I

look

at the things

that have happened

in light of

the podcast.

Just like

the effect

that it's had on your life.

And I mean the effect that it's

had on my life and

kind of the decision

making that I'm

having.

And because it's

like,

I was having a conversation with

somebody this last

week or whatever.

Yeah.

And I told them about the

awesome opportunity

that I could have

if I pursued the

businesses.

Yeah.

Which you've dropped.

Which I've dropped.

And I

was just like, you know,

the podcast,

because he brought up, he's like, no, you

should absolutely pursue

those businesses

because of all the opportunities

that you can have to serve God

and serve His people and all that
different

stuff.

I'm like, but yeah.

And I'm like, yeah, but like,

that's already

happening with the podcast.

We're,

granted we haven't released anything

yet, but it's already, if it's

happening with us, I

truly believe that it can

happen with people outside

of this room.

And I,

you know, and the things that

we're

hoping to

do, that's a

result,

I think of,

I don't think, I know

of the Holy Spirit we're

working in us.

to

do more for His kingdom.

And

I

see that in the bonds

that we're

creating here.

And you brought up a good point

earlier

today about us

not

talking

as much or

whatever.

And

I

think definitely something that's gonna

happen is

at some point we're gonna

be

upset with each other.

We're gonna

struggle

with

our

dynamics, certain things about

each other because we're spending so much

time together.

And we

brought this up at the beginning of the

episode too, but the

more

that

you

do

something,

the more time you put into it, the

more you care about something,

the more you're gonna struggle, the more

you're gonna fail, the more that

is gonna go

wrong because

you're putting more into

it.

The more

you

put in, the more that's gonna come

out, whether it's good or bad.

And because of our fallen

nature,

we're gonna struggle with

each other.

And

I

think

reading

this,

reading the beginning of the

Bible

and

recognizing,

okay, God knew

about

all the

struggles

that were gonna happen,

all the that was

gonna come around.

And he

still decided to

do all

those things granted

because he knew

what he was gonna do in

light of it.

But

that's

not necessarily

something

that we

can't

think of

because in light of this,

like I brought up

with what

you were saying about faithlessness,

we, it's,

if we decide to come

back here every

single week

regardless

where we're at, what we're thinking,

how we're feeling, I've even

brought up, like, you know, if there's

something on our hearts, if there's
something that we're

struggling with, like we should

talk about that instead.

Or maybe it fits

into the scripture and

we will talk about it anyways.

And I think that's

where the

decay portion could

end up maybe.

Cause I think it should always

be scripture

first.

And if, you know,

if we feel -

De -good.

De -good, if we feel like,

yeah,

like we can share during

that.

But yeah,

that doesn't necessarily matter.

But like,

we,

what did I

say?

I lost it.

I brought up,

yeah, if we keep

coming back here,

that's enough

because,

I think I've also said

this on the podcast,

like God,

the Holy Spirit

is ministering

to you.

And if you think for five

seconds,

I need to

return.

Those five seconds

are

time that you got

to spend with God.

Our time that you

were

thinking about

faithfulness

and thinking

about, you know, going

back.

And that's not

valueless.

There's that,

I mean,

the concept of

it is better to spend

one day in the courts

of God than

a thousand

here on earth,

a thousand anywhere else.

That concept

carries into every single

day.

If you have five seconds

with God, that is far more

valuable than

- Five hours.

Five hours.

Anywhere else.

Anywhere else, doing anything

else, thinking about

anything else.

It literally doesn't

matter.

If you spend five

seconds,

because that five seconds, if you nurture

it and grow into 10

and 30,

and then, you know, it keeps going

and keeps going.

And if we,

that's what it takes to

do a podcast

like this that is

convicting

that,

you know, and - We're like

playing with fire here.

The Holy Spirit being the fire.

Yeah.

Nice.

That's good.

We're playing with fire here.

Holy Spirit.

And it burns.

That could be a shirt.

No, we are.

It's something

that,

you

know, we've all experienced in our

walk.

It's something that can motivate us to

just stop.

I wanted to stop

at least three times.

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

But it -

No.

No, never do.

Not a single moment.

I didn't really care.

Stop right now.

To be honest.

You're like, I'm just having a good time.

Yeah.

You guys want don't I want to do it?

I'll keep doing it.

But yeah,

it's,

if we keep coming

back,

because there's a practical

application

to being faithful to

God.

It's not just, oh, I feel

great and

I'm,

you know,

well, I'm vibing with

God.

So that's, I guess I should

preface, like I felt

like I've wanted to stop

several

times.

But I also know

that that's the enemy

attacking me

or that's

practical, practical

consequences

of my own

actions,

like staying up till

6 a .m.

Or 7 a .m.

Or 2 a .m., whatever,

right?

Or not feeding myself,

not working out, whatever.

But we are

doing God

work here.

Good work here.

And

the

enemy hates that.

And so

I,

without

sounding

arrogant, I'm pretty sure

anybody who gets

in any

ministry calling

with guidance from God, the Holy

Spirit,

it is going to be

under fire, under attack.

And so

I think that's,

it happened to me at least a few times,

but each time it happens,

I know

this

is just an emotion.

Emotions move on in 90

seconds.

Dude,

life changing.

Yeah, apparently it has

proven that your emotions

disappear in 90 seconds.

I can feel it.

You feel them in 90 seconds.

I feel it run through my

body like a electricity.

Yeah, look it up.

That's crazy.

That's life changing.

Yeah, and that, by the way, the

90 seconds is the top,

the worst possible feeling you could

have.

Yeah.

Or the best possible.

Yeah.

Heart pangs from

like old breakups

and stuff like that.

And some of the worst experiences

I've had in my life.

And now they only last like five

seconds.

Still hurts for five

seconds, but then

passes.

I mean, it's like getting off a

drug.

Yeah,

I would.

Yeah, so I

just,

this is a feeling.

Yeah, well, and - You said if

it needs to be addressed instead

of doing a podcast,

just run for that.

Yeah, well, no,

I'm not even

saying like doing it on the podcast,

but yeah, if it

is something that needs

to be addressed

apart from the podcast, then yeah,

absolutely.

We're not going to do the podcast.

Like if

either of

you want to talk

about something

and you want to keep it

off pod,

doesn't matter to me.

We'll do that.

Just because our mission statement

is that we're going to

be real with the people

in our audience

does not mean we

need to be completely public

with everything.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, and that's a boundary that

obviously we need to

have.

I think there's definitely something

that needs to be said too

is that

the

struggles that

we

have with

God

are often

tied to

one

being locked

in, right?

We're locked in, the devil

doesn't want us to be locked

in.

And quite honestly, he would rather

have us feel indifferent.

Indifference would be

ideal because you're not

locked in

and you're not all the way gone.

So you feel good

and

you're

not

good.

You're not doing the things that you

should be doing.

You're not thinking the way that you
should be

thinking.

And so being locked in

to anything

in regards to

the

ministry for

God.

It's dangerous.

Well, it's

dangerous, but

it's more

dangerous if we're

indifferent.

No, I'm in dangerous for

the devil.

Yeah, but it's

also dangerous for us

because again, we're going to get

scrutiny and we're going to get

attacked spiritually,

whatever.

And if we're indifferent, we're not

going to feel that.

And

we

should check ourselves on that

because

if

we're indifferent,

then

the

devil has won.

The same as if we were to

completely

just reject it,

whatever,

indifference is -

Indifference is the

complete flattening

of

morality,

the complete flattening

of uniqueness.

And you see the pattern of

uniqueness and the

creation that God has made.

There's distinct

differences between man and

woman.

There's distinct

differences

between

- God and

evil.

Well, that's not a

creation, in fact.

That's - Yeah,

but there's God's way And then

there's there's - not

God's way.

way.

Not God's way.

Yeah.

And he says he spits

out.

Luke warm.

Luke warm water.

That's.

He'd rather deal with cold.

Because at least he knows

that it's cold.

Yeah.

Well, and that's the danger

of the American church

is

that's kind of just a

spiritual indifference.

Like I feel great.

I'm going to church.

I'm doing all the things I should

be doing.

I'm reading my Bible.

I'm going, you know,

I've got all my posts on

Instagram of me reading my

Bible.

I'm going all the

groups, whatever.

I'm doing all the things that I should be

doing, but also

I

feel great.

I'm not experiencing all the

negative stuff.

Any of the negative stuff, you know what?

I just lift it up to God.

I'm just like, Hey, you take this.

I don't care about it anymore.

And then I just go and continue doing

whatever the heck I want.

Right.

Because I just feel, I feel good.

Yeah.

I feel all right.

Yeah.

And

people

that I've asked, like, have you

experienced like any

trouble, blah,

blah in your life?

And they're like,

I mean, you know,

and they bring up like,

Oh yeah, I've struggled.

Like emotionally I've

struggled with this ball, blah.

And I'm like, okay, but you

know, it's all like surface level stuff.

Like, Oh, I've just had like

bad days

or, you know,

Oh,

like, or I've just,

Oh, I struggled with a

test at

school or like, Oh,

there's a struggle at work.

And whatever it's like, okay.

But like,

what have you been

convicted is, is

it eating you alive

that, you know,

there is sin

weighing

on your life?

I hate,

I oftentimes

hate the fact that I'm a Christian

because it

weighs

so heavily on me

because there's

portions of my

body.

I wish I could, they're

so decayed.

I wish I could just

do away with them

completely.

Yeah.

And I

know

of

disgusting they are.

Do you want to actually

define hate for

us?

Hate.

Hate?

Hate.

I want it completely dead.

Well, I mean,

just in terms of

kind of like how Jason

presented us,

presented to us.

Four weeks ago?

Yeah.

Four weeks ago.

You wouldn't?

It was like two weeks ago.

No, he didn't preach two weeks here.

It was two weeks.

No, it was two weeks ago.

He didn't preach last week.

That was two weeks.

Yeah, no,

that was a

week ago.

So you and I think of time

differently.

You don't know what time is.

I know what time is.

I know of time

in theory.

I know it exists.

I just don't know where it is.

This Apple watch has been

very helpful because it'll show

me the minutes and seconds

because otherwise a minute

is just a

theory.

It's not real.

A minute just leads to an

hour.

Yes.

I meant it's

forever

until I turn into the next

minute.

Literally, that's how I think.

Stay tuned for the

100th episode.

This is our first episode.

Okay.

So I'm not

sure you might have to

say

what Jason said.

Basically the way that he put

it is

that

hate is

he's the word ruminating

a lot,

but you're

ruminating.

You are constantly,

you're basically meditating.

You're basically fantasizing,

thinking on

how

much you dislike,

how much you don't.

You have so many misgivings.

You have so much, whatever

negative there is,

that is what you're thinking about.

And the examples that he gave

is,

someone's name just pops up.

It doesn't have to be

in context about the

person that he actually

hates or

dislikes or whatever, but

all it was just a

name.

All it was was just

something related,

the car,

another person that's

associated with them, whatever,

and it would just

cause this

huge wave.

And that's mostly what we think about

when we think about hate is

just, oh, there's a huge

emotion of like, I want this person

dead, whatever.

But he was even saying, no,

it's like,

if you just don't

have anything good to say about

something or someone,

you hate them.

If you

just,

I

think even brought up

indifference, it's like, if

you just don't give a

care about

this person,

and all you can say is,

you

don't

love them, that's not

love.

That is you hating

them.

And that's a cultural

understanding

of

hate

because we're going through

proverbs.

But

that's

really

what

it is.

And And I

would agree with you,

like there are moments where I'm just
like,

I hate this.

I hate that I have

to struggle

so much.

And I'm - I'm glad I'm not the only one.

I'm reminded, well,

with that definition, it's not this

intense like feeling,

it's like, I just don't

wanna do this.

Like I don't have anything good to say

about this experience right

now.

And I legitimately,

like, it's not great.

It's not - I don't like this.

Yeah.

It's not that I don't

like God, it's not that I don't

like the fact

that I'm saved.

It's not that I don't like

the fact that I

am

arguably

less sinful than I

have been in the past.

It's not any of that.

It's the fact that I still have

to deal with my decaying

body, my

decaying mind.

And that was something that Jason brought
up a

ton,

which was your

body will remember things

because it's

still decaying.

Yeah.

Like God did not pull you out of

this dead world yet.

He'll do that one day

and you won't have to

deal with this disgusting

body anymore.

But until then, you have to

understand

your mind is not your soul,

neither is your body.

And you're gonna feel

things

that you think are

real.

And you're gonna have to use

the freedom

that God's given you in

your soul

to

take

control

of your mind

and your

body.

And also just

sitting with

that and just

recognizing like,

okay,

this

is

just the past

coming up.

And just one,

I'm human and that's okay.

Pain is pain.

I can make it

through this.

I made it through the worst part

of it, but it's still coming up because.

It's an echo.

It's an echo.

And it's a 92nd echo.

Yeah,

seriously.

And instead of having to

like,

I mean, you don't work

out, but me and Steven work

out.

Subtle disk.

I'm getting there.

One day.

Yeah, I know.

You're on the road.

One day.

You will be running on the road one day.

Totally.

Unlike a workout,

this kind of pain,

hold on.

So unlike a workout where the kind

of pain that we're dealing with

only increases,

like you have to work out more, you have
to work

it up more intensely, you have to

increase the weights.

It never gets easier.

Yeah.

But this kind of

pain that echoes

starts at 90

seconds.

At least that's what they say.

And then it

drops.

And it gets easier

to deal with over

time.

The intensity of pain and the

length of it drops.

And so it's

like

God has created

our bodies and our

minds to naturally

heal from

emotional

pain as

much as physical

pain.

And that's

something

I've

heard way too much

is emotional and

physical pain are literally

tied together.

And so if you're in

emotional pain, you'll feel it in your

body physically.

And I understand

that connection when it comes to

stress.

Like if

you lit

rumination

of

stressful

events,

hated people,

or you decide

to hate people because it's

easier to mourn,

or it's easier to do that than to mourn

something,

that will kill

you.

That stress eventually will kill

you.

I get that.

But if you lit

yourself mourn,

and you don't let

yourself ruminate,

which was something that Jason

talked about,

it allows your

body to naturally heal.

And the proof

is in

everybody's

life, they've had an experience

with their buddies

where it was

the worst day

of all time.

For me, it was going on a

camping trip,

hiking into

Havasupai Falls.

We got down,

I think it's like, I forget how

many miles.

Let's just say it's five miles.

We hiked five miles

to the town.

We're like a mile away from the

town, and then we have

to walk two more miles

to these

gorgeous

blue

crystal clear waters,

giant waterfalls.

It's just

picturesque,

Instagram worthy before

it was ruined

by Instagram

people.

And less than a

mile out from the

town,

it just starts to pour.

Yeah.

And we're all getting

drenched.

And one of the first falls

that we pass by

is pure

mud.

Every single fall

that that

any of us saw

was pure

chocolate

milk.

Wow.

It was not,

it did not taste

sweet.

What's worse is

all of our

clothes,

all of our tents

were

soaked to the

bone.

So we were cold,

wet, miserable.

It sucked.

At some

point,

all of us had blisters

on our feet.

And at one point,

there was blood dripping

down my thighs

because my legs were

rubbing together so much.

That was the experience.

And guess what I remember?

That took a lot to actually

remember that.

Guess what I remember?

What?

Good time with the boys.

It was fun.

Yeah.

And guess what that is?

No, it's not perspective.

It's the fact that God has

designed our

minds

to

self heal.

If you

stop

ruminating

and choosing to

continue, like

Jason said,

scratching off the,

tearing off the,

what is it called?

The scab, it will heal.

In the meantime, it's gonna itch.

Before we go

on too much longer,

I give my

take on.

I've got two points.

Okay.

God's word is

embedded

with

a

plethora of information.

And God says

all over the place

that if you

seek Him with all

your heart,

you

will find Him or He'll find you.

And I think we've

discovered that in some sort of

way here

this last season.

Yeah.

It's almost

never

seen

this kind

of information

that we've come across.

And I feel

very blessed that I get

to

be

here and be a part of

finding it.

Because I don't think I would have

found it on my own.

Yeah, honestly.

The other point,

I've always

felt

a

little bit of a calling

to be in some sort of

ministry,

but I've never

known

exactly what it should

be.

And I've toyed with a lot

of ideas.

This is the only one

where right

now I know

I'm where I'm supposed to

be

with

full confidence.

Well, you know, what I've,

my perspective on

ministry.

It's wherever God has

you in that

time.

Yeah, it's based off of -

Whatever it

is.

I would

agree,

especially with your skillset.

Talking?

Yep, that's what I'm talking about.

Cool.

No, but

I

mean,

we're seeking to

be

a

blessing

to other people with

the resources that we

have

so that other people can make

content.

So that other people can do what we're
doing

or do something similar, because we

want to have a studio and

your

skillset is helping

us set up

for that.

Because otherwise - For us in other shit.

Yeah, because otherwise

it would

be extremely

mediocre if it was me.

If it was me doing

this, I don't know.

If it was Steven, I don't

know what your

technological

prowess is, but

I

don't

know.

Better than me.

You think so?

No.

Shaka said no.

But yeah, I

mean, it's,

I agree that

it's definitely where he

wants you.

Yeah, by definition.

Steven, how about you?

Any thoughts?

About this season,

podcast?

Overarching theme,

you said?

No,

overarching just view

of everything that's gone

on with this podcast

from beginning to

now.

Anything in regards to

it.

It's godsend.

Nothing much really

at all,

to be honest with you.

Honesty is good.

Nothing much has come into mind.

That's what you mean?

Yeah.

No.

And this hasn't really been

helpful

at all.

I mean, it'd just be

repeat

of

what I've said before.

Yeah, that's okay.

I've repeated myself at least

80 % of the time this

episode.

I think that's the point of this episode.

It's called a recap for a reason, right?

Yeah.

Feel free to use something you've said

before.

Or all the things that you've said

before.

So in them.

No filter, let it out.

Just

in

the concept of

trying

trying to really

challenge my.

myself, I guess, more

in

reading the

Bible more,

or mainly just continuing,

and

just

trying to thank over stuff

more.

I know I've been trying to

write down more

notes

in my

Bible app,

and that's

probably helped me

more than anything, to be

honest.

Just because normally

I just have a Bible,

and

I

wouldn't be able to write anything down,

other than mentally.

Other than

that,

not much

different

opinions I

enjoy

listening

to.

Are there

opinions on this podcast?

No.

I've never heard of opinions.

There's strong opinions here?

Not on that.

No.

Especially not on that

corner.

Definitely not over

there.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

Cool.

Cool things.

Oh, should we get your sister in

here?

She is definitely

asleep.

Let's go wake her up.

Totally.

I don't think she

wants to come in here.

I'm dying of hate right now.

You are?

Oh yeah, I have kind of the

equilibrium here,

but I'm falling asleep over here.

Yeah, it's

past 12

.36.

It is March 1st,

apparently.

Dude, this month is going to be so

great.

Dude,

that's hot.

It's crazy.

Partly.

Yeah, it's been hot

already.

Today was hot.

Yeah,

it's messed up.

I was sweating so hard.

I'm like, what the heck?

But this has been our

recap episode.

It has been.

We have gone over

pretty much every

episode except for

one,

the 2 .5,

which was,

I should say,

I think the first episode that

Michaela was on.

I'll still check If that.

I remember correctly.

I'll fact -check it.

I really don't know.

But yeah,

we're gonna do, I think we're gonna try
and

do this every 10 episodes.

No?

No, she wasn't on there.

Oh, okay.

But yeah, I think we're gonna try

and do a recap every 10

episodes.

Or every season.

Yeah, every season.

If that ends up being 10 episodes, cool.

We're definitely doing seasons,

obviously.

So the goal, I think

we've shared this already, but

the goal,

get through to

before Abraham.

Sorry, the goal is what?

Where are we trying to get to?

In total?

No, no,

Before we move on

to Ecclesiastes.

Right before Abraham.

Okay.

Yeah, right before Abraham

is where

we're gonna

pause

in

Genesis and then we're gonna go to

Ecclesiastes

just

because we

love that book.

What a great book.

We're passionate about it.

I'm concerned that we're

gonna be in it for...

We might have

to...

We might have to do like a

30 -foot view and then

like...

Yeah.

We might have to

box ourselves out

of getting too

deep with it.

Maybe.

We'll see.

There's maybe

limited...

Maybe put a cap at

like a certain number of episodes.

Okay, there's 12 chapters.

Let's do...

What we could do

is

do some

homework.

Read a section.

We're gonna cover...

We are going to cover

this section.

You have

three

points, Michael.

I have three

points, Daniel.

Stephen had as many

points as he wants.

Doesn't matter.

We have to choose our

favorite three points.

Yes.

And we have to choose multiple.

Yes.

Prioritize them.

Okay.

Because we can't tell each other what
those

points are gonna be.

And what if we

choose all the same points which is

going to happen?

I hope

that

doesn't happen.

It's gonna happen.

It's gonna happen.

We say the same phrases,

like very complicated phrases.

At the same time,

in the same tempo,

the same tone,

and it's really

freaky.

Look, just in case, I'm in.

That's all that matters.

Defined.

And we're done.

We're doing some more address.

Yeah.

Anyways, this has been our

recap

episode, episode 10.

We have a lot coming down the

pipeline.

Oh,

sorry.

Side track you.

2 .5.

Hugh's introduction.

Oh, that was Hugh's introduction.

He sets up

the cliffhanger from the previous

episode about

forgiveness in and the - existence of

God.

Uh, for the first

time?

I'm pretty sure.

Oh, wait.

No, yeah.

He might have been like doing

that several times.

And then we like

kind of got on eventually.

This one was

Earth's proximity to the sun.

Unless that's Hugh's par again.

Let's see.

Let me double check.

I've got a bell.

Let me click into it though.

There's a timestamp.

Oh, man.

No, we're talking.

Yeah, it does.

It's not Hugh.

No.

Well, close one.

Talked about the gospel

and the purpose

of the podcast.

Yeah.

Anyways,

we have a lot.

Talked about your book.

We're going to be talking about Noah here

really soon.

Dude,

we got plans.

Which we got plans.

Do we want to talk about the plans?

It's going to be several months from now.

We'll talk about the plans later.

We'll talk about the plans later.

It's going to be good.

But yeah,

we

have

a lot of plans.

We got plans.

We got

probably

until the end of the year.

Actually, definitely until the end of the

year.

Of plans.

2026, yeah.

At least.

Yeah.

And you won't experience

it until following you.

Which is crazy to

think about.

Yeah.

But yeah, we have -

Unless you follow us on

YouTube and see the

lives.

Thank you for listening to this.

It's been a pleasure

doing season one.

Season two.

Who knows what's going to

happen.

Dude, season two is going to

be crazy.

Can you just give us some

titles?

Some titles?

Yeah, just some titles.

I got some titles.

Oh,

my tablet is - Because

from

- Looks

like we don't have enough

cloud storage.

So we're recording my stop

here.

Oh, well.

Oh,

well.

We got Nenuk.

Yeah.

We have Sevenfold.

What's it crazy about?

Sevenfold.

What's it?

There's two Enochs.

Yeah.

And there's two Lamechs.

So Cain has an Enoch.

Yep.

And Cain has a Lamech.

And

Seth

has an Enoch and has

an Lamech.

Like in their line - Since then is

Adam and

Eve's third

son.

Third - Yeah.

Mentioned son.

Third -mention son.

Yeah.

We have an episode called

Time.

Okay.

Because we're mapping out the genealogy.

Oh, that's going to be good.

That's crazy.

And then

we're going to go

through - It's called

- The next one I called Raise.

So we're going to be going through

each important

section of the genealogy,

or like highlighted sections

of the genealogy.

Raise.

What kind of raise?

So like - Some raise.

children The that are being raised,
basically.

Oh, raised.

No, raise.

Raise.

Yeah.

Current tense.

Yeah.

Present tense.

100, which we'll be talking

about living hundreds of years

again.

But in the context of these

-

We'll be talking about

Enoch again.

Is this the Heaven

Enoch?

This is the Heaven Enoch.

Then we'll be talking about age.

This is in reference to

Gen

-

Orzlamic?

Gen -4 -slamic?

Genesis -4

-slamic.

So not Can -slamic.

Not Can -slamic.

Because we'll be in Genesis 5,

25 -32 at this point.

And then Noah

coming.

And then episode 19 is when we start

talking about

things leading up to Noah.

There's gonna be an epic one right

there.

There's gonna be - Isn't that

the - This one's about -

Man's years should be

120, or is that

post -foot?

No, this is after this.

So this is where we talk

about the Sons

of God.

Yeah.

Is this the crazy -

No, not yet.

This is about the Sons of God mating

with the beautiful

woman.

This is the Nephilim.

This isn't the Nephilim.

Oh my.

The next one is

called Less Time.

Less Time?

Less Time in here on Earth.

That's that one.

That's that one.

That's 20.

That's the - And man's years should

be 120.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's gonna be a crazy episode.

And then 21,

we're really gonna get into the way it's
about

the Nephilim.

That's perfume and decay.

That's gonna be a full thing.

Wrapped.

Full thing.

And then we talk about

- We start talking

about things with Noah because

land is

wicked.

Yeah.

And Noah is the

one that has favor.

That's episode.

That's gonna be

- This

is a ballpark.

We don't know.

These are us and I shouldn't say.

But that might be episode

22.

We reserve the right to

change.

Episode 23

is where we get into

Noah.

And from there, we have so

much that we could talk about.

Yeah.

It's gonna be crazy.

I'm so excited for that

entire section.

Yeah.

And hopefully by

that time that

those actually

start

being

made.

Yeah.

We'll be getting some

feedback.

Live feeds.

Yeah.

Live feedback and

just getting more people

listening to the podcast.

and

getting feedback on our

edited episodes.

Hopefully we have, I mean, did we figure

out what it would take to do Patreon?

No, not yet.

Okay.

Maybe we'll have Patreon, who knows?

Well, we have a Patreon, it's just we

haven't set up the Patreon.

Oh, okay.

Do you want to do that?

Give you a best shot?

Sure.

And then I could bring in

my

sweet

creativity.

Sweet creativity.

I think you just don't believe in yourself

in that.

Otherwise known as AI.

Shh.

But yeah,

hopefully we have more feedback coming

through.

But

yeah,

we got a lot of things coming down,

pipeline.

Season two is going to be crazy.

Season three is going to be crazy.

Season four is going to be crazy.

Season five might be boring.

Season five is

definitely not going to be boring.

Because we have no idea what season

five is going to be, but

no.

It's going to be.

It's going to be.

Season five

might just be,

I don't know, it's hard to say.

Should we skip, we should, I

have an idea.

Should we skip season

seven and then just go to

eight?

I think season

seven would be perfect.

Yeah, right.

It's a number for action.

Yeah.

It's the day that God

rested.

Well, no, that's,

yeah.

Yeah.

Which means we should not do it.

Oh, because we're imperfect.

No,

it's because we're

resting.

Oh, so we're just not going

to do anything for all those

months?

We're all season seven.

Okay,

interesting.

So we'll drop season six,

our recap episode.

And then we'll drop

season seven and

immediately start season

eight.

Yeah.

This was season seven will be empty.

That'd be crazy.

And then every seven from there

on out.

So when we get to

70 and we know

episode,

no seasons,

this is season 70

doesn't

exist

right on the

80.

No, no, no, 70?

Yeah.

Is 70 season 71?

No,

because it still has the number seven in

it.

Oh, no, it's not about the number

seven.

It's if it's divisible

by seven.

That's the stupidest idea

you've ever had.

Your idea is stupid.

No, you

are stupid.

Your face is stupid.

True.

If my face was

apart from my

body, it would be stupid.

You win.

We're so tired.

Anyways, it is, we are

three hours and 42 minutes

in.

Congrats, man.

This is our conclusion.

Thank you for listening to this episode.

It is 1248.

We need to sleep.

It is March 1st of

the year of our Lord

2026.

And you'll be hearing this

far into the future.

But give us our feedback

anyways.

Good feedback.

Because we will be getting

better,

but we need to get more better.

Most better.

Most better.

Most this better.

Extra most best of them.

All right.

I'm going to pray us out

and then we

will end this podcast.

Thank you, Lord, for this

opportunity that you've given to

us

to

reminisce

about what

the time that

we've spent in your word

together,

that we've spent

experiencing

edification that we

never thought possible,

experiencing awe and

wonder that we

completely

lost

on our own

and

that

you probably are

deigned for this time.

And Lord, I

hope that

this continues

for

seasons to come.

I hope that we can,

you know, get to

season 70 some

day

and

joke about

whatever it

is.

And I hope that there

are

millions

of people

that get to

share in this

experience that

we're having

because

we do want to share this

experience.

We do want other people

to

be a part of

this journey that we're on

because

truly this is just

us living our lives

but on blast.

And you know, I

pray that

you

open us up more,

that we grow more,

that we're

offended more,

we're hurt more,

not for the sake

of pain,

not because

not

just

not

because we deserve it, even

though we do, we

deserve all

the destruction

of

our souls, of our being,

but because you

are a good father

and you do not spare

the rod

and you

do not spare

blessing

to those that love you

because

those that love you get to

see how

beautiful are.

you your gifts truly

are.

And so Lord, as we share in

this gift

of this podcast,

and as we seek to share this with

others,

may your will be done in light of

that.

And if it ends tomorrow, it

ends on a

good note because

it reached

who

it was to you.

And not just

something

that we

think

we're doing,

but that you are ultimately doing

through us.

And I pray this all in your name.

Amen.

That is episode

10.

Episode what?

Episode 10.

Oh, it's like my headphones.

Recap episode.

We're gonna hear you.

Peace out.

Bye.

Bye.