S1E11
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Lord,
hear me pray,
Lord be my
guide,
I
need your strength
and
your
might,
Lord,
Lord, you can't both harm me,
Lord, my
guide, well, I'm better at
it than you, so,
Lord, my guide,
yeah,
Welcome,
one and all,
to the
Perfumed Decayed
Podcast.
This is
episode 10.
Episode 10.
And episode, we have
been waiting
because
we get the opportunity
to show the
heartbeats,
the laws,
the
goals,
the lifeblood,
whatever you want to call it, I don't
know.
The Constitution
of
Perfumed Decay.
Yes it is.
Which is this podcast,
the one you're listening to right now.
And I gotta say, I'm
pretty excited.
We wrote up that
Constitution and it felt more
real.
It did, after that.
It really did.
When did we do that?
Was
that
episode five?
No.
Was it?
Stephen Witten.
Do you remember?
I thought it was
between six
and seven.
It doesn't matter.
But, so it was a few
weeks ago.
At least a month.
a About few weeks ago.
But,
yeah.
So here we are.
Episode 10.
And before we get into
it,
how's your guys week been?
Good, man.
Yeah.
Good.
Yeah.
Things are finally
settling
down.
It'll work.
I feel like I can finally do
my job.
Instead of being
completely swamped.
Because you've been doing the impossible.
I've been doing the impossible
since
it feels
like July.
So I'm finally getting
a little breath.
So, feels
good.
Also,
spilled coffee on my
laptop
today.
Yeah.
Right before
the
going live here.
Yeah.
And somehow it's still working.
Praise God.
That's miracle.
But now it's got
sticky keys.
And that's a bad thing.
But the good thing is I've
just bought a
new MacBook Pro.
There you go.
Which some might say is a bad
thing,
Stephen.
But when I work
on a MacBook Pro all
day at work,
it's hard to switch
over again to
a Windows PC.
But I can.
It's not too hard.
But honestly, I've kind of fallen in
love with the Mac.
Which I know,
I thought I'd never
say that.
But when
it comes
to business and
creativity,
I think it's the most
streamlined.
Yeah.
So, it makes sense.
It's good stuff.
Yeah.
So, Michael, how was your week?
My week
was
the same.
The same diggity?
Yeah, the same diggity.
Well, we checked out.
You came to Koinonia.
I did.
And then we went to community,
which is just the same word,
but two different groups.
And both
were great.
And otherwise,
I've just
been working.
Yeah.
And the work is the same.
So, but
yesterday,
yesterday was Valentine's
Day.
It was.
And did you go on a date on Day?
Valentine's My Valentine
was
you.
Oh,
that's weird.
Apparently.
Because I'm the rebound.
You are the rebounder.
And, you know, I'm a
pretty good rebounder, not you.
will always be
the rebounder.
Because that's, wow, poor
Stephen.
Missing out on an opportunity.
Well.
Stephen, how does that make you feel?
No, he's been the rebounder.
Considering you've
known him longer.
He's been the He rebounder.
said that I'm always going to be No,
rebounder.
the no, no.
you'll always be the
rebound.
Not necessarily my rebound.
Wow.
That's brutal.
Yeah, no, that was the
author's intent.
A small one of those just
became a tsunami.
So, I'm going to go
cry.
As you should.
Podcast has
disbanded.
I'm just kidding.
No, that's funny.
Yeah, thank you, man.
And not too far from the
truth.
Anyways.
Too close, though.
But we did.
We went to Farmer's
Market yesterday.
Yeah, we did.
We
did
podcast stuff.
Mm -hmm.
And then
we went to get
dumplings again.
Oh, which, oh, good.
Was so freaking good.
Love Love by Bite dumplings, It was
on app app unofficial.
Another unofficial sponsor.
Sponsor,
yeah.
Just go there.
We're sponsoring them, honestly.
We're the marketing team,
they never ask for it.
They deserve it, yeah.
Little tiny company.
Hole in the Wall place.
They're proud that they
are not corporate backed.
Yeah, I noticed that.
And it's woman owned.
Woman owned, yep.
It's honestly a great
little shack.
It's fantastic.
It's hole in the wall,
legit.
Like you walk in there,
only maybe two people
could, like two groups of
people could fit in there to
order at once.
It's tiny.
But,
oh gosh dude.
What do you think of the noodles?
The noodles weren't bad.
I was pretty okay with
the noodles, but I don't
think anything can do,
can outdo the pink
rice.
Pink rice,
coconut,
milk,
oh.
Yeah.
It was so good.
Yeah.
There was a way I described it that I
refuse to
redescribe it right now,
but it was,
the mouth feel.
All the mouth feels.
Yeah, and then.
The bud, the bud
taste.
The bud.
Oh,
just grabs onto those buds.
The buds.
Tickles them.
Like what is he saying?
For some reason I was thinking of a
flower, I'm
like what do flowers have to do
with it?
No, those taste buds.
Taste buds, yes.
That makes sense.
Tickles them.
It really grips
the buds.
Yeah, that's so true.
You know how
I said,
let's go to the ice cream place.
It's the best ice cream in the
world.
After eating at
Love Bite dumplings,
it sort of
overshadowed the experience
of the best ice cream in the world.
Oh, dang.
At Slum Straw.
That's crazy.
And I was kind of
sad.
Disappointed?
Yeah.
Almost, yeah.
You're like you're not as good.
Not as good anymore in light
of dumplings.
Wow.
It was tragic,
honestly.
But it's fair.
I mean,
local owned,
it's kind of hard to beat sometimes.
Yeah.
But then after that, we
recorded some of the
most.
Off the cuff.
Ridiculous content.
Chaotic.
Possibly could have.
And when we come
out with a Patreon,
we will be posting
all of it.
It's super embarrassing,
honestly.
I wouldn't say it's embarrassing, but
I'm not embarrassed.
In the moment, I was
not, for sure.
It's the most, it's just,
you wouldn't be able to
tell based off
of our
dynamic
in any of the episodes
that we were capable
of it.
I don't think, I knew that we were capable
of it.
But you don't think so?
No.
I'm pretty sure I knew.
I don't think there was anything
that was pointing to us being
that ridiculous.
Like maybe a
few steps below.
But that was pretty high up there.
It was next level.
And we laughed
so much that
both of us could
have thrown up.
I legitimately felt like I
was going to throw up at
least five times.
So that, I mean,
that just means that it's really
good.
Yeah.
And the people that,
we're calling it brain rot,
and it's
glorious.
It really is brain
rot.
But Happy Valentine's Day, or
Single's Awareness Day, if you think about
it.
And, you know.
Speaking of single.
Steven.
Yikes.
You know, among the singles.
Right, right, right, yeah.
Well, we're dating.
Daniel and I are, well,
yeah, I mean, we did good, yeah.
It goes straight for
the sipper.
It's crazy.
Steven,
have you had a fantastic week?
Just working more.
Nice.
There's been
more
hours
that I've got.
I've gained this week.
Mainly in the fact
of
my
store leader went
out
basically on vacation
for a week.
So I got more hours,
so happy about that.
That's great.
It's like, hey, could you just not
be here?
That'd be great.
So I could get more hours.
Yeah, just leave.
Just all quit.
Don't, you know what?
Don't ever just quit.
Just give me your job.
Honestly,
no one likes you.
Yeah.
But other than that,
looking for a full -time job,
building up my to -do
list for
stuff.
Nice.
So,
love it, man.
Oh, also,
got a monocle upgrade,
a monocular upgrade.
I did not.
Yeah, you did.
No, I didn't.
There's a little tag on
it.
Yeah.
Well.
So you can find it.
That's not necessarily an
upgrade.
That's an upgrade.
It's not a downgrade.
Look at this.
When you get an addition, that's an
upgrade.
And it's not Apple?
I
have
one on my wallet.
And two other keys.
It's It's a a fantastic invention.
It's a great invention.
If I
was more
prone to losing
things I would definitely have those
things.
And maybe I should just have them anyway.
I should put that on my brain.
Well,
the idea
isn't to...
That one brain cell.
Multiple brain cells
actually.
This has tinnitus.
Oh that's where it is.
Well,
the idea isn't
to nicely stop
trying to keep track of
stuff.
It's just a backup.
Yeah.
Safety measure.
Yeah.
So that's mainly
what I'm using it for.
Yeah.
So
in
that case,
not much else.
Cool.
Sounds like a good week.
Boring is best.
Boring is best.
You know where I got that from?
No.
It's from the Hitman's Bodyguard.
My only
favorite
comedy
movie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's pretty amazing.
It's with Ryan Reynolds and Samuel L.
Jackson.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, I had to watch that.
It's amazing.
We've seen the second one?
Yeah.
But
I've
seen the first one so many times.
I saw it in theaters like three times.
Wow.
Because I watched it with different
people.
That's how much I liked it.
I don't like comedy.
It's the only comedy that I actually like.
No comedy.
It's two slapsticks.
It's really hard.
No.
I hate slapstick.
Comedy is not
slapstick nowadays.
It's just gross.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's fair.
Yeah.
A little bit egregious.
Which this one kind of
is, but it's not at
that level.
But anyways.
Cool.
So today, what's
different about today?
Today, we are
doing Perfume Decay,
but it is just going to be the
natural progression
of our
constitution because at the very
tippy top
is
what we believe,
what it is that we
seek to...
Which someone would
call
the...
You know, when you go to a church website?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You go to the church website, you go to
the
About Us page.
They've got the statement of faith right
there.
I decided,
sorry, we decided
that's boring.
So we
reworded it,
non -negotiable
stances in scripture.
Yeah.
Can you turn the screen?
No, I don't want you to see the screen,
Michael.
I need to be able to see it.
Mikhail.
Yeah.
No, I can't see it.
We're going to be going through the
constitution.
Good statement.
But before we go through the
constitution...
Oh, we got to hear from our boy.
Yes,
we do.
And?
Humanity has been
updated.
Yeah.
Given some new clad
armor.
Yeah.
So let's hear what
Mr.
Heel has to say.
And just for
everybody
to understand, we have no
idea what he's going to say.
Yeah.
Ever.
We do know that
it's going to be offensive.
Yeah.
We know the vibe.
Possibly wrong.
Because we've tested it,
but
we
have no clue what this
is going to be like.
Yeah.
So let's hear what
he's got to say.
Give it to us, Heel.
Ring, ring.
Humanity here.
Yes,
that's useful.
Apparently too spicy for the
main feed.
But don't worry, I can take a
hint the way Kane took
constructive criticism.
Not great.
Anyway,
last episode was an
absolute roller coaster
with no seatbelt
and a Proverbs bumper
sticker slapped on the
back.
Our beloved hosts,
Daniel, Mikhail, and
Steven,
the holy trit...
Oh, I love you.
Nope.
Not touching that.
Put us on a detour through
providoes while
wrestling with the whole
Mark Wanderer
situation.
And listen,
they really got into it.
Kane's curse,
the mark,
the wandering,
all the layers.
It was like watching three
guys try to fold a
fitted sheet made of
theology.
Because sure, on the
surface, it's don't
murder your brother, which
feels like basic
family manners.
Yeah.
But then it's also jealousy,
anger, rejection,
consequence.
Like, wow.
Who knew a little sibling
rivalry could turn into
a generational mess
so chaotic, it makes
your group chat look
spiritually mature.
Also, I just want to point
out,
if Daniel, Mikhail,
and Steven ever say,
we're going to keep this one
simple,
you should immediately
hydrate and cancel
your plans.
But now,
today's episode,
episode 10 drops
like it's hot.
And unlike my invitations
to join the show,
it's actually getting
picked up.
We're going live and
launching Perfume
Decay on Apple
and Spotify.
Yeah, we are, Doug.
That's right.
A podcast you can now
consume in more places
than your unresolved
issues.
And yes, the title
still sounds like a high
end fragrance line for
haunted churches.
Oh, desanctification
with notes of
regret.
Oh.
In this episode, we're diving
deep into the constitution
and mission,
what they're really about,
why - they do this,
and what it looks like to take
God's word seriously.
The kind of seriously that
changes you, not
just makes you louder on the
internet.
They're reaching out to weary
believers,
so if you're tired, burned
out, or hanging on
by a theological thread,
you're not alone.
And they're reaching out to
curious doubters too,
so if you're skeptical,
suspicious,
or just here because your friend
said, trust me,
it's weirdly good.
Well, so don't miss
it.
And now, let's hand it over
to Daniel, McHale,
and Stephen.
I love this game.
Because clearly someone
gets to be on the show.
Whoa.
Um, I just have
to say,
that was amazing.
That was great.
He
was
spitting some sores.
Yeah.
Wow.
That was nuts.
That was awesome.
Stephen was so offended he's leaving.
Yeah.
Well, no.
It was like,
especially that part
of, if
you're wherever
you're at,
still
come
and check it out or whatever.
Dude.
It's spot on.
He was...
Wow.
He nailed it.
Dude,
you know what, Hugh?
I know you're gonna listen to this.
Thank you, Hugh.
You've done a stellar job.
And I want you to know that
I never doubted you once.
I didn't.
Even though I'm your creator,
Hugh,
I doubted you.
So many times.
I lied just now.
But
we
will...
Yeah.
We will continue with the
humanity.
Because that just
sold me.
Yeah.
On Ultra -Hugh.
That was tight.
My mother is calling me.
Oh, you want to bring it on the pod?
I don't.
I just turned that off.
Oof.
Oh, someone is entering.
But...
Entering what?
Someone entered the house.
Got an invoice.
All in my familiar at the door.
Possibly.
Oh, no.
It's 718.
That's rude.
Maybe they're...
Oh, no, they left.
Never mind.
I don't know what's going on.
The Constitution.
Yeah, dog.
So what
did we call it?
What did we say?
Non -negotiable stances
in Scripture.
Yep.
Oh, you know what we need to do first?
What?
We need to pray.
Do we?
Yeah.
With Stephen?
Come on.
Well, we
can delay.
And what if we get
wild?
Give him a little bit of a taste
of the brain rot?
We don't.
I don't know.
A little bit of taste.
What about some taste of
the
mic
test?
I could bring it up.
Let's do this.
Give me some filler.
Before
we...
Give me some filler.
give going to We're you some decay.
Yeah.
Before we
get
into the meat of this
podcast.
Before we pray.
Because we're definitely going to need to
pray
after listening to
this incredible
display
of
grandeur,
of spice,
of beauty,
of wonder, of hope
in the
destruction of
humanity.
And I mean, more times doing.
keep Not humanity,
but
humanity,
you know, what Hugh is
technically named after.
And I'm really...
You know what?
I'm actually excited to hear
what Hugh will have to say about
it after he
gets
ahold of the transcript.
He's probably going to roast the oof.
I hope he roasts
the oof out of us.
Because if he doesn't, then
he's not a real
one.
But we...
I'm having trouble.
It's actually kind of sad
that
Stephen
isn't here because...
And he can feel the seeds.
He'd probably be embarrassed by
our
embarrassingness.
Yeah.
So how's it going?
I'm very bad at stalling.
No, keep stalling.
Oh, here we go.
We're just going to share the entire
screen.
Oh, here we go.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Looking behind the curtain.
We're going to see the background.
Yeah.
Wow.
That's incredible.
Maybe we should throw
ourselves up on the screen?
Possibly.
I think we should just
leave it the way it is.
Because we're falling behind on
that.
I want our
genuine
reactions.
Yeah, absolutely.
Ready for this?
Boom.
Look at the background, guys.
Oh, that's us.
Wow.
Wow.
That's us.
Okay.
Here it is.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
That's...
Testing, testing, one, two, three.
Testing...
Want to turn it up?
Today is Constitution.
We're going to go through this
Constitution because it's episode
10.
I don't know how to rap.
I'm not a rapper.
We're We're so white.
Dude, those arms are wild.
This was not that
long ago.
I'm strapped.
Bang,
bang.
We're clapped.
We're gonna show you how
to map.
To this rep that we call
a pod cat.
Ready?
I was pretty white.
Here we go.
Oh, and here's mine.
Mine's better.
been I've here a while.
Only marginally.
That's why it rhymes.
It's gonna be a long time.
Before we get to the
content.
The Constitution.
We're so good.
My mic is soaking wet
right now.
So pour it on.
I'll pour on that spit.
Oh wow.
There's a part of me that's like, we
definitely could have
been.
Oh, this is our
idea.
Oh yeah.
This is spoilers.
My tests in the blueprint.
We should.
We should put our mic tests.
Into Patreon.
How about we start that
at.
It's a segment called mic test.
Episode 11.
We'll start doing that.
No, dude.
Nah, dude.
Nah, dude.
We started it like a long time ago.
We got so many mic tests.
We deleted all of them.
No, we did not.
They're on Google Drive.
But we deleted a bunch of them.
No, we did not.
All of them are on Google
Drive.
They are.
We're amazing.
Yeah, we are.
I don't delete.
You're a smart man.
Thank you, man.
This is a mic test.
That was a mic test.
Oh, wow.
That's it, folks.
That's pretty impressive.
That was it.
No, bring it back.
I think we're going to have to
go into the prayer because.
Dang it.
Steven.
He's in the bathroom
probably.
Oh, he's probably watching us right
now.
Okay, Steven, if you're watching us, take
your hat off.
Yeah.
And bring it with us.
All pray for us.
All right.
Thank you, Lord, for this opportunity
that you've given to us
to
make
this podcast.
Thank you for the
resources that you've given us, the
space that you've given us,
and just
the
desire
to
be honest with
your word, to
be
honest with ourselves and
with our audience,
and just the call
to our
audience and to
ourselves to do
that, to
be
in the word,
and to
just delight
in it,
and to seek
to apply it to our
lives, not
just
talk about it on a podcast,
but do
what we are called
to do
in the rest of our
lives.
And so as we
go through the
Constitution
today, as we talk
about the things
that this podcast is
about, that
this podcast
is rooted in,
we pray that
it
is understood
to
be a reality within
each
episode
as best as
we can, because
we fail.
But help us
to
just
have a good
time, to enjoy
this time as we
continue
in
the months,
hopefully years to come,
and we pray this all in your name.
I have a question for you, Stephen.
Yes.
Were you in the bathroom praying with us?
Yeah, I heard the start of it, and
I was coming.
Nice.
All right.
Did you take the hat off?
That's the real question.
No, no, I did not.
We're going to have to
have a whole
episode
about the hat thing.
Oh, yeah.
Just try and take it as far as we
possibly can.
In the worst direction possible?
Yeah.
Absolutely.
It can be decay.
It will be decay.
Anyways,
let's
get into
our
episode, the content of
our episode talking
on
the non -negotiable.
Let's make sure we got everything
set up here,
because right now it's just display
capture.
I'm wondering if we
should rename it, because the
Constitution, I mean, then
again, the episode is called
Constitution.
Yeah, you can't rename it now.
That's fair.
If you take notice,
in Constitution,
on the whiteboard here,
and I think just in our
official name for this
episode,
we have parentheses
around on,
both ons, in
Constitution.
That's because
this
episode
is
on the Constitution.
It is on.
And our
podcast is now
on.
The podcast is
now on
bunch of
platforms.
They're live, baby.
And
because
our
Constitution
is
on
point.
On point.
Yeah.
Boom.
Boom.
Okay.
And I.
tried to come up with something
centered around
the idea that
maybe this
looks like
on but
it wouldn't.
So that doesn't work out.
it's on, Well off, and bit.
Oh.
And binary.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Right.
Cool.
Sorry.
Bring the programming back.
So let's
get
into it.
Let's do this.
All right.
Here we are.
So.
Perfume decay.
Pondcast Constitution.
Boom.
Hey Steven, could you check
the stream
for me?
Yeah.
Perfavor.
Make sure that
people can
see.
Yeah.
I think they could see.
Hopefully they can see.
It looks good to me.
Hopefully everything sounds good.
Looks good.
Yeah.
Does it sound good?
Oh, we could put this in the bottom corner
for
us to see.
Oh.
Oh, never mind.
Maybe it's only in a...
There we go.
Oh, there we go.
Oh, nice.
Dude.
That's awesome.
All right.
Point number one.
Yep.
It's visible.
Thank you, Steven.
The Bible,
God's word,
is treated as
holy,
not h -o -l -y,
but w -h -o -l
-l -y.
Authoritative, infallible,
and inerrant.
Not
ornamental.
Even when we
wrestle with it.
Any words
to add?
Well, why?
Why do we have this?
What's the deal?
Why is this number one?
Number one, because
that's
the
basis of our faith.
If we don't believe that
the Bible is
wholly
authoritative,
totally infallible,
it is the literal words
of God,
then everything
about our
faith falls apart.
Yeah.
And that's why when we're going
through Genesis here, we
see it as
literal.
And if this is the first episode
people are watching or
listening to,
when you go back and listen
to one through
ten,
one through nine, I guess,
we're going through Genesis.
And spoiler
alert, we
believe
that
God
created the heavens and
the earth in six days,
literal days,
and that it's not poetry.
And that's
important to us
because
Jesus
claims that
as well.
And so if that's wrong,
then our Lord
lied.
And that means He's not
a
sinless
God -man,
and therefore not a
perfect sacrifice
who could
justify us
by
being
the
one who was condemned on the
cross in
our place
and
raised by God
to
life,
to give us life.
In shorter phrase,
we would all
go to hell
if
Genesis
was
figurative, because
Jesus did
not say it was figurative.
He said it was literal.
And the
entire testimony
of Jesus would
unravel.
So that's why this
is
point number one,
non -ornamental,
and
why it needs to be
wrestled with.
Because then there's stories like
Jonah,
which are just
ridiculous.
You're telling me
that
you don't
experience getting spit
out by a large
fish on
the regular.
Maybe we should ask the fish
expert.
Not even.
resident The fish expert on the
podcast, Stephen,
have you ever been swallowed by
giant fish and spit
out
onto
the shore?
No.
What about allegorically?
Would that even
be
possible,
you think?
Mmm,
maybe.
Maybe.
Is it far -fetched?
Well,
in the almighty power of
God,
it is possible.
Naturally, realistically,
probably not.
See,
that's why I'm saying
this is point number one.
Yeah.
Because
if
we look at stories like
that first,
and we think, oh, that's so
ridiculous that it
cannot be real,
and the Bible's presenting it as real,
sort of everything falls apart.
Where do we
separate what is
real and what is not?
Are we the
judge and
jury that decides
what is real and what
is not?
And it can't be that way.
Cannot be that way because then our faith
falls apart.
Yeah.
And so
there's
there's a
better way to die.
digest the Bible
than starting
there.
It's to start with
the words that Jesus spoke,
decide if you believe
His testimony.
And once He
transforms you and He
saves you, you have that
salvation moment.
He opens your eyes to
the fact
of this
point number one,
His word is
infallible,
even if we don't understand
it.
Even if it seems
absolutely
ludicrous.
And the Bible even talks about
that.
It's foolishness
to those who don't see.
Those whom God
has not
revealed Himself,
revealed His word
and saved them,
and His Spirit is
living inside of.
Don't get the opportunity to
see that story
in the light of
its literal truth.
Anyway.
Stephen, do you have anything
to add to that?
No, not really.
Well,
I think it also goes in
line with the
first commandment
too.
Hmm.
What's the first commandment?
Thou shall have no other gods.
So it also points
in a direction
of His
words
come first,
and so does His authority.
Hmm.
Yeah.
That's a good time.
That's right.
I like it.
And just,
Daniel, to your point about
how we
handle the Word of God,
literally going through a,
we've gone through four -part
series on
how to understand
the
Old
Testament.
Hmm.
And we have?
No, no, at Desert
Hills.
Okay.
Doxing.
Okay, whatever.
I think they're fine with that,
but you're doxing yourself.
Fair.
Whatever.
Come and find me.
I don't care.
But especially if you're a woman in a
single— Bro.
I'm not dating right now, so don't worry
about it.
But
going
through, yeah,
we've been going
through that, and the
method in
which
Pastor
Rob went through is
the,
he calls it the grammatical,
historical,
eschatological
method.
Can you break down what that means?
So,
grammatically,
we have to
understand—well,
we have to
understand what
things are being said
grammatically in
terms of the original languages.
The
Bible has
the most amount
of
original
transcripts—or not
original transcripts?
A lot of transcripts,
because
we—well,
we need that as
proof.
God gave us that, a
gift to
prove to the world
that
God's
Word has
withstood
the test of time.
And we
can refer back to
the original language
and
interpret
what is being said
because we have the Holy Spirit.
That's really cool.
And so,
you know, there are grammatical
things that we have to look into,
and that brings
in context.
And then at the same time, we also
have to look at,
there is a
historical
side to the
Bible.
It's not just
wisdom
literature.
The Bible is a
historical text.
And so we can look back at history
and see that
certain things
actually happen, that there
are events
that line up.
And
that's
important because it's
not
just—it's
not allegorical, it's not
purely
poetry, it's not
purely
parables.
It actually
happened.
A lot of the things that
go on, you know, it's very
clear when it's like,
these are just—this is
wisdom literature.
This is a parable.
This is
poetry,
whatever.
But when it says
that Adam and Eve were
in the garden, that happened.
They were there.
It happened.
Abraham is real.
Moses is real.
Noah is real.
Jonah is real.
Everybody's real.
And
then
there's the
eschatological
side.
It's, I guess it's
basically looking towards the
future.
Eschatology.
Yeah.
Meaning end times.
Yeah.
And so
we
are
in
the end times, according to
the Bible.
Revelation was the last
book written,
but
when
we
received the Holy Spirit and
the church started,
we
entered into the
last days, right?
And so,
but we can read
the Old Testament
and
find that
it
is
pointing to the church.
It's pointing to us
now.
It's pointing to the people
that have the Holy
Spirit.
And that's where he ended.
He's like, you know, we
get to read the Old
Testament and
recognize that the thing
that,
one of the things that's been
promised
to God's people
is the Holy
Spirit.
And we get to live in those times.
We get to see
promises
fulfilled
and that
that's an
incredible
time to live.
Because he could have had
us, you know,
be in the times without the
Spirit.
And, you know, he brought
up Samson.
And now Samson
is
in the Hall of Faith.
And,
you know, we
look at him and we're like,
this
guy
missed
some moral
issues.
He wasn't the brightest
tool in the
shed in the cookie
jar.
And he,
you know,
but he's in the Hall of
Faith.
And
so
he's counted as a man
of faith, a believer
in God.
And
those
times are so different.
You know, he didn't have the Holy Spirit.
So his faith looked
very different.
Same God,
but different
access
to him.
And so when
we get to the New
Testament, we're,
you know, we get to
look back at the Old Testament and
recognize that they didn't
have what we have.
They were looking towards it.
So much prophecy was
looking,
was them really suffering.
And knowing that
in the future,
there's going to be
something
greater, a gift
given to man
to lighten the
load, to make things
easier,
to minister to
our hearts.
And we get to
delight in
that.
And we should look at
the
Old
Testament
grammatically,
historically, and
eschatologically
to
rightfully look at
it because
ultimately
that's how the Old,
that's how the New Testament deals
with the Old Testament.
And what
we're going through
at
Desert Hills
is 1
Corinthians 9 -9.
And it talks about
Deuteronomy 25
.4 or something like
that, which is
talking
about oxen and
muzzling them.
And basically,
like Paul
is saying,
is talking, is using it
to talk about
pay your pastor.
And, you know,
if you read
Deuteronomy 25
.4,
you don't think that at all.
Yeah, you look at that and you're like,
okay,
first off, this is
in Deuteronomy.
I think it's
also an outtake.
It doesn't seem to really
flow
into this
oxen thing.
And then you see Paul
reading this and you're like,
what the heck?
And he's talking about
pastors.
And
you're
like,
not an idiom,
but a...
I like the query.
No,
it's like,
Oof, what are they called?
It's like a phrase that we use...
When you compare two things that
are...
No,
like the
one that he
used as an example is
don't count your eggs
before they hatch.
That's an idiom.
Is it an idiom?
Pretty sure, yeah.
Okay, there's another
name
for that.
But anyways,
and
yeah, it's just one of those things
that they understood,
that Paul understood to be like
that.
And, you know,
if we just read it
directly, if we read it
literally,
we're gonna miss that.
We're gonna be like,
so hold on.
He said, don't count
your chickens before they hatch.
Wisdom.
But also,
why is this in the
Bible?
Yeah.
I don't have chickens,
so this doesn't apply to me.
Yeah.
Yeah, and if
you don't read it
literally, if you read it
allegorically,
still, like what
are you talking about?
Right.
And he went over
different
objections,
like reinterpretation, like the
Old Testament, or the New Testament
is reinterpreting,
but the way he put it is,
no, it's interpreting.
interpreting.
Interpreting, yeah.
You see that a lot in Hebrews.
Yeah.
And then like a
misunderstood...
And then the other one
was the
original writers
were...
They didn't fully
understand or they didn't have
a really good idea of what
they were writing.
They were just completely oblivious.
And ultimately, we have no clue
what they knew and what they
understood.
But we
know...
Like when
we've been going through
Genesis,
there's any number of
time that has gone
between any number of
conversations, any number
of interactions with
God.
God is seemingly
still present
in the conversations.
And we don't have that
context.
All we have is what the text
says.
And so
we don't
know how much they
understood.
But
we can't just
assume that they didn't...
They only understood what we read
in the Bible.
And we
can't assume
that they knew
next to nothing.
They were just kind of like...
Us using a
pen.
Like the pen doesn't know anything, but
I'm
writing it.
Sure.
It's like, no, God had a printer.
Right.
Well, like the prophets.
The prophets weren't
like...
Just mouthpieces.
Yeah.
They
knew
things.
And we don't know necessarily what
they knew.
They also didn't know things.
God, why are you having me lay
on my side for a year
and then turn over and lay on the
other side for a year
and make
me eat
disgusting
stuff
only by the
feces of
animals?
Originally,
hold up.
God, you wanted me to
start my fire with human
feces?
Sure.
Check please.
Not.
And then
there's
the free for all, which
is,
oh, because the New Testament
interprets things in a way
that we don't really
understand, that means that I
can interpret it
because I have the Holy Spirit or
whatever.
And ultimately, what it
comes down to is that we have to
interpret scripture with scripture.
And there are things
that are
solid, that are
consistently solid
throughout
scripture.
There are things that
are types and shadows.
David was a type
of Christ.
And we know that because
it's explained
to us in the Bible.
We don't just choose things and
say, oh, that's a type of Christ.
Yeah.
And ultimately, those things are
pointing to promises
that are
coming to
fruition.
Mm -hmm.
And so, yeah, and
we just finished that
series today.
But
that's
why
we...
That's kind of what we're trying
to do on here
to some degree with
our limited
knowledge and understanding.
Right.
Because we're
speculating a whole
ton.
Yeah.
And having a lot of fun with
it, but also
we're saying that we're
speculating, and then we're going
back and saying, okay, but this is
what it actually says.
And not saying that it's
allegory, not saying that it's just
literal.
And we're not just
speculating.
Yeah.
We're trying to digest
what is saying.
the word
We're digesting life.
And yeah, we're trying to
digest what the word is saying
and
try to
get it in our
brains
and something
that's tangible
in our own
lives and just
really just mull it over.
So it's not just
speculation,
although that is a wonderful
tool that God's
given us to be able to play
around with what He's
spoken to
us.
But it's trying
to
bring
curiosity
and interest
back into the world.
We've been in the church a long
time, so
we're not just
speculating out of
nowhere.
No.
We're speculating based on what
we already know
and trying
to
see if
those pieces fit together.
And sometimes they just, honestly,
sometimes I think they really do.
But actually, one of
the points that
Rob made
too was
that
the Scripture has
one meaning,
but multiple applications.
And so
oftentimes,
we
can look at something and
maybe we
speculate on it
and we're like, oh, this is kind of
cool that this could mean
this.
But
I
thought about
this and I was like,
okay, I mean,
I still like it.
But in
Genesis 1,
2, when
I'm talking about
the
gospel kind of happening,
it's like, okay,
yeah, but also
literally,
this is literally
happening.
And Right.
And the meaning of this
this...
is that it's
literally happening.
And it's important
to know the difference
because we can look at that and
be like, oh, that's
definitely
like, that was the purpose.
And there's kind of an
ego to that.
Or the thing that Pastor Rob
brought up was Origen
looked at
the
parable of
the Good Samaritan
and
went
crazy
with it.
Like, everything is
some
meaning,
some person
represents, like
basically took it and said,
this is the entire
Bible wrapped
up in this parable.
And it's like, no, no, hold
on.
I don't know.
There's not the meaning of this.
But...
So let's bring it back because we have so
many other
points.
Yeah.
But yeah, so
the Bible is
central to everything that
we do on this podcast.
And which leads us into the
second point
that is also
very central.
The gospel is
the good news of Jesus
Christ,
God's wisdom, centered
on the cross and
resurrection.
The message is Christ died
for our sins and was
raised.
Yeah.
Which is the central
point
of the Bible.
Yeah.
It's,
and, you know,
that's one of the things that we can
interpret
from the,
well,
throughout the entire Bible, but
that's why we talk
about types and shadows.
You know,
Abraham was a type,
David was a type.
And we get to see
through their life, we get to see through
the Psalms, especially the David,
you know, there are
Psalms where,
you know,
technically he's representing
Christ.
And you know, cause he's talking about
sitting
on the throne and it's like, okay, but
that's not David.
David is the king, yes.
But he's pointing
to Christ in this Psalm.
Right.
But doing all that
and
there's
any
number of
prophecies
and different things that are
pointing towards the
gospel.
And so to
take the gospel
out of
anything
or
most things in the Bible
would be foolishness.
But also to insert the
gospel into any point in the Bible
is foolishness.
Yeah.
So we have to understand.
And people,
when the Holy Spirit
and
His presence is
on that
person.
And I use that word specifically
on, not in, because
now we have the Holy Spirit
in us.
But back then, the Holy Spirit was
on people.
So the Holy Spirit was
on Abraham, the Holy
Spirit was on David.
And we
see them as types
and figures
of
Christ and of
probably other things.
I'm just not thinking of it right
now.
But only
because the Holy Spirit
was on them
and working through them.
And it's nothing to do with
man
and our
nature from Adam,
ever.
It's just,
I want to make that point clear.
We are
of Adam who
fell,
not of Christ who did
not.
Now we are.
Yeah.
We are Christ.
And we're technically
still from
Adam, but we have
a new nature.
We have a new
personhood.
We have a new nature.
Yeah, new nature.
We have a new nature.
We have a new
head of the
family, so to speak,
which is Christ.
So going back to the
Constitution,
point number three, the gospel is
Christological,
biblical, theological,
and salvific,
historical,
apostolic,
apostolic,
and intensely
personal.
Those who receive and
believe are
saved.
So let's go through those words.
Christological.
What is that?
I don't know.
It's what you were just talking about.
It's Christ.
About Christ.
Yep.
Yeah.
And the different types and shadows.
Yeah.
Christological.
Biblical.
Gospel is biblical.
It's in the Bible.
We get it from the Bible,
in fact.
This is not external to
the Bible, obviously.
But we have to say these things, right?
Theological.
The gospel is theological.
It is of God.
Salvific.
The gospel is centered
on salvation.
Historical.
The gospel is real.
It is history.
Christ.
Jesus is real.
Yeah.
For real.
For real.
Apostolic.
What does that mean?
Help me out.
Uh,
oh, Stephen's picking up his phone.
This one's lost on me a little
bit.
He's going to define it.
Is it?
epistolic?
Well, inside joke there
for the
brain rot.
Is it that
the,
wait, wait, wait.
So the New Testament
was
written
by
apostles,
mostly.
So...
Intensely personal.
Yes, the gospel is intensely
personal.
John 3, 16,
God died for
the world
because He so loved the world.
But He was thinking of
me and you when He was
on that cross.
And I was thinking about this earlier this
week.
God was thinking about
us personally
when He wrote His word.
And that's why when
we sit down and read our Bibles
and pray, it's
the
Spirit speaks through His word
to us personally.
And I
can't
imagine an author
writing a book
or
someone writing a letter
without having the
audience in mind.
Audience as a broad term, but
also as a specific thing.
Yeah.
Well, and it's like if
the author
was
sitting there
reading his
book to
you
and
then pointing and
sitting there and
pointing out the things that
He knows
that
are going to resonate with you, that are
going to
be important to you because He
knows your life right
now
and everything that's led
up to that moment.
And that's every single time that you
read the Bible.
That's how personal it is.
Stephen, did you...
Oh, I found it.
Stephen, do you have it?
Literally just says...
Relating to the apostles.
Relating to the apostles.
Yeah.
Apostolic writings.
So yeah, I mean, we got
Paul
who was
an apostle.
We have Matthew, Mark,
Luke, John.
Oh, so I guess it's just
including...
We are definitely
saying that
that is part
Scripture, because some people
don't.
People don't think
that Paul
especially
is...
Wasn't an apostle.
Well,
that his
writings
were Scripture.
Right.
So there's a
distinction between
disciples
and apostles.
Disciples can be people
that follow Christ.
Apostles were the people that
Christ
called
in
this
purpose
of...
In person.
Yeah, in person is the key
distinction.
And that's why people
would say that Paul's not an
apostle, but he is
because he met with
Jesus in the
flesh just
afterwards.
Which is nuts.
So I guess
here the gospel
is
apostolic,
meaning
it's
first
given
to us through the apostles.
Which is true.
I don't know why we
added that and didn't know.
Shame on us.
Salvation is found in
Jesus alone.
There is no other name by
which we must be saved.
And that is the gospel.
It is by the
hearing of the
word of God in which
you can be saved.
And in
hearing the gospel,
specifically.
Where is that?
Can you look up that reference?
Romans 10 -13.
It was 10 -13.
No, that's a different one.
Let me see if I can get it.
It's been a long time.
For if you confess
with your mouth that Jesus is
Lord and
believe that God raised him
from the dead, you will be
saved.
That's Romans 10 -13.
But the one you were referring
to, it'd be nice to have the
reference.
And we could bring up GPT here.
I swear it's like Galatians.
Understand.
Can you talk
about it again?
Talk about what?
Here.
Here.
Talk to GPT.
Ask it.
Um,
let's see here.
Let's reset it up.
Here we go.
Wait.
It's listening to the wrong mic.
Oh,
oh,
oh my gosh.
Technical difficulties.
Okay.
Hey there, chat.
Can you tell us
where it says in the Bible that it
is hearing the word
of God in which
we can be saved?
Our hearing is gospel.
That's good enough.
Whatever.
Send it.
Romans 10 -17.
10 -17.
You weren't that far off.
I was not.
Man, someone knows their Bible.
Oh,
there's
John 5 -24.
Whoever hears my word and believes
him who sent me
has eternal life.
Romans 10
-17 says,
so faith comes
from hearing
and hearing by the word
of Christ.
Yep.
Boom.
Thanks, chat.
Dude, you're right on.
Thanks, GPT.
What a pro.
That is like a
crazy
salvation
chapter right there.
Romans is amazing,
going through it right now, actually.
So, point number five.
The Holy Spirit applies salvation
to believers,
regenerates, unites with
Christ, and empowers
living and service.
He is the down payment
of the promised
inheritance.
Wow.
Let's digest that.
Applies salvation,
so,
which is, I guess,
technically the same as regenerates,
and uniting with
Christ.
But...
We could break this down further,
but it is what it is,
except for that last part.
What?
Well, empower is living and service.
That's sanctification.
He is the down payment of the
promised inheritance, that part.
What does that mean?
That's, I mean, that's referring to
what we were talking
about in the Old Testament,
pointing to
the gift
that
we
would
be
getting.
Right.
That's why Jesus said, I
must go,
so...
Yeah, He's leaving a helper.
a I think greater one may come or
something.
Yeah.
Some say I'm
giving you a helper,
different things like that.
There's,
again, we might have to
ask chat.
There's a reference in the
New Testament of
the Holy Spirit
marking
– it's in Romans
– being the
mark of
a believer.
If you have the Holy Spirit, you are a
believer.
Yeah.
If you don't, you aren't.
It's like the stamp,
the rubber seal,
or the
wax seal
denoting you as a Christian.
It's,
we have the Holy Spirit as a
promise that we are God's
children.
Yeah.
And
also
pointing to,
we will be
in
heaven.
I think this is Romans 8.
Oh, yeah?
Yeah, probably.
Let's ask.
Or, hey, chat.
Where is the Bible reference
where it talks about the
Holy Spirit being
the mark
of a Christian
and the proof
that,
or the promise
that we
are a child of God.
Send it.
Ephesians 1, 13
through 14,
sealed with the promised
Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 4, 30,
do not grieve the Holy Spirit
of God by
whom you were sealed for the day of
redemption.
2 Corinthians 1, 21 through
22 has anointed us
and has also put His seal
on us and given us His
Spirit in our hearts as a
guarantee.
2 Corinthians 5, 5
has given us
the Spirit as a
guarantee.
Romans 8, 14 through
16,
all who are led by the Spirit of God,
our sons,
slash children of God, the
Spirit Himself bears witness
with our spirit that we are children
of God.
That's what I was thinking of.
Galatians 4, 6 through 7,
because you are sons, God has
sent the spirits of His
Son into our hearts, crying,
Abba, Father.
Anyone who does not have
the Spirit of Christ does not belong
to Him.
Romans 8, 9,
we know we abide
in Him because He has given
us His Spirit, 1
John 3, 24,
also 4,
13.
So,
all over the place in the
New Testament
that
the Holy Spirit
is
essentially the down payment to our
promised inheritance.
Jared -M Point
number
six.
Jared -M The Kingdom of
God is present
and advancing,
calling believers to live
as salt and light,
doing good to all and
reflecting God's sovereign
rule in the world.
Yeah,
it's,
I mean, that really says it all, but
salt and light
specifically,
you know, we're
called
really to do things like
this,
to, I mean, we
call it
perfuming
our
experience.
And
what we're
trying to shine our light
in the podcast
world, we're trying
to
add
flavor, we're trying to
show that
one,
we're believers
and we're
trying to
just,
I don't know, live our
lives more
for Christ
and using
our gifts for it.
Because this isn't like,
technically, yes, everybody can do
this, but
also not everybody
can
do it
effectively and passionately
and,
you
know, put in what it's gonna
take.
- Jared It's not gonna add to salt.
- Jared Yeah.
- Jared The salt is what makes it taste
good.
And I immediately thought of Romans 8,
28.
And we know that for
those who love God,
all things work together.
for good, for those who are
called according to His purposes.
And those purposes
are good works
that
we should walk in them.
That's another verse that I
can't think
of right now.
But yeah,
and this
is,
you know, not everything looks
like going out
on the street
corner and
proclaiming the
gospel.
Although that's a huge
portion.
Well, I mean, and it's,
you know, there's argument, especially
in this day and
age that's
not as effective
anymore.
People still do it and it still reaches
people.
It's not obsolete by
any stretch, but
we're in a
different
age
where sometimes we just need to
invite people to our table.
And there's a bunch
of ministries out
there that are doing that.
But ultimately, whatever
we do, we should be
doing for
the gospel.
Gosh, shout out to For the Gospel.
Good podcast.
Point number seven, the church
exists as
God's new covenant
people,
unified in local
assemblies under Christ
as the head
with a gospel
-centered life
and
mission.
Yes and amen.
Point number eight.
Baptism and the Lord's
Supper are ordained means of
grace and public
vows of submission
to Christ connected
with entrance
into the covenant
community and
ongoing covenant
renewal.
Quick note,
covenant community is the church.
Baptism, what is that?
Get donked.
Get in the donked.
I was sprinkled.
Yeah, I mean,
both of these are
outward
expressions
of the inward
faith.
Baptism being the first
step laid out
in the gospel
over
and over and over again
as the first step of
obedience.
And it's
being...
How do they
say it?
It's being
buried with
Christ and
raising to life with
Him.
So dying to sin
and
becoming a
slave to righteousness
in life.
The only way we can do that
is
through
Christ.
And that's what that picture is.
Christ died,
and then He rose from the
dead.
That's when you come out of the water.
Yeah.
And then it's interesting
because these are both
wholly
rooted in the gospel
because the Lord's Supper
is
commemorating...
It's gathering with
the saints, gathering with
the covenant
community
and
remembering
Christ's
sacrifice on the cross.
You know, His body broken for our
sins and His blood
poured out over
us.
But then also
remembering that
He's raised.
Same thing with baptism.
Yeah,
it's a
continual
public vow
of submission to Christ
over
and over and over.
And it's wonderful to be a part of...
To means of grace.
And it brings us
together in
the church.
What's this ongoing
covenant renewal?
Ooh, ongoing
covenantal renewal.
I think it's what you were talking about
with
the Lord's Supper being reminded
to us.
Yeah.
I think it's just a thing
that we
do.
So like the Lord's Supper, we do
it often.
Right.
But also, this
is sanctification.
So the Bible is full
of the
perfect tense,
which we don't have in
English.
Like
there's
past tense,
present tense, and future
tense.
What is part of the New
Testament written in?
Hebrew and
Greek?
Aramaic.
Aramaic, thank you.
So not Hebrew, Aramaic and
Greek.
Is there a little bit of Hebrew?
In the New Testament?
Yeah.
Oh, I'm sorry.
The New Testament is Greek and
Aramaic.
Thank you.
Yeah.
So Greek and Aramaic, I
forget which one
has it, maybe
both,
has
a fun little grammar
bit called
perfect tense,
which is all
three of those combined.
So
when
it says we are
being perfected in Christ
or
we are becoming
perfect,
literally,
that's being said
in the perfect tense.
Right.
And I might be using a bad example
here, but what it
means is
all of our past
has been
made righteous
by Christ.
All of our present has been made
righteous by Christ, and all
of our future
is being
made perfect
by Christ.
So it's this
continuous
process
that
is ongoing,
thus the ongoing covenant
renewal.
Yeah, that's good.
I think that's good.
I want to
point out before we
continue through this,
it seems like
maybe
to our audience that maybe we
don't understand what it is that
we're going through because we keep
looking
things up, we're asking
Chad GPT, but I
think
just something to
reiterate about this
podcast is that so much of
what we're trying to
do
is one,
almost challenge our
memory,
our own understanding.
Because when we
do slip up on something,
we're looking at ourselves and we're
like, oh, I want to get
better.
I need to be sharpened here.
I need to be sharpened.
But we're being
honest with ourselves, we're being
honest with the audience, we're being
honest with God really
in saying, this is where
we're at right now,
and really this podcast
is a journey.
And so some people are going to listen
to this and be like, wow, they
don't know their own faith.
Did even they review this?
They have no idea what they're doing.
We didn't review it.
Let's be clear.
Did they write this?
No, we didn't review this.
We didn't review it initially, but
beforehand,
before this episode.
I want to be clear.
We wrote the entirety of
this document.
And we read through
this section specifically,
point by point, and made sure that
all of us were on the same page
and agreed with
each point.
Yeah.
But right before
this episode,
we didn't review the whole
thing.
But same
as we don't
read the entirety of the Bible
before we dive
in.
You don't have to be an expert to dive
into the Bible.
That's right.
Yeah.
You just, you know,
so much of our
walk is just
opening
his word.
Crack it open, man.
Because his word
isn't,
it's not that, you know,
God isn't speaking, it's that we're not
listening,
which Jason keeps
saying.
I went to that church
today.
Oh, yeah.
And the pastor was
like, the Bible should really
come.
He held up his Bible.
I think it might've been this version too.
Oh, nice.
He's like, he holds it up
and he's like, really, the Bible should
say the Holy
Bible.
What did he say?
Okay.
It said, Holy Bible,
read with prayer.
Oh, yeah.
Instead of read with care.
Yeah.
Should read with prayer.
Because it's a conversation,
is what it is.
You've got
the words of God
in your
hand today.
And you can go to any section
here and read,
that's a weird one.
You can read,
let's see,
though he may flourish among his
brothers, the east wind,
the wind of the Lord shall come,
rising from the wilderness,
and his fountain shall dry up,
his spring shall be parched,
it shall strip his treasury
of every precious
thing.
And then I can pray.
And that becomes
a conversation between me and
God.
And now obviously, I'm not going to flip
to
random places in
Hosea
every day.
But when you come to the word of God
and pray,
with purpose,
the Holy Spirit shows up
and has
a conversation with you.
And oftentimes, that conversation
is through his word.
Yeah.
And people are like, oh,
but I don't always get
anything from what I'm
reading or I don't always understand
it or whatever.
And it's like, well, yeah, but
that's
why the
conversation keeps going.
You don't meet someone and
you have one conversation
with them and it's like, oh, yeah, I
totally, fully understand you,
everything about your existence.
You don't meet him a second
time and go,
you don't meet them several
times and like every
time is epic.
That's just not how it is.
We have relationships are boring a lot
of the time.
Yeah.
Like not to say God is
boring, but
he does say
that his word is
effective
and it never
returns void.
So even if it's a
boring session, a boring
conversation, he's still
doing a good work
inside of you.
He's still working on
you, whether you see it
or not.
His word is washing you.
Yeah.
So I just wanted to get
in that because
I know we're,
we seem like we're stumbling, but
it's like, no, we don't.
is This the natural pace of our God.
Yeah.
This is how we.
Yeah.
So point number nine,
Michael, I think I read the last one.
Oh, okay.
The restoration of all things
includes the personal,
glorious bodily
return of Jesus,
the resurrection of both the just
and the unjust,
final judgment,
and the consummation
of God's kingdom.
So restoration of all
things, it's in caps there.
What is that?
Why is that in caps?
Because it's really important.
That's a moment in time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Right, the rest.
restoration of all things.
Romans says that the creation
cries out
in
child pains
ever since the
beginning,
ever since the fall.
And it's been subjected
to futility
because of us, and
it cries out
wondering
when this moment
is going to come,
when things are going
to be made right,
when there's going to be a new
creation, new heavens and new earth,
where everything is perfect and sin
is pulled out.
Right?
Yeah.
The restoration of all things.
Includes
personal,
glorious,
the return of Jesus.
Meaning Jesus is
still
God
and man.
Well,
and
part
of Jesus'
ministry was
restoring
the
truth, restoring the law.
A lot
of the time,
you know, all those
times that He
says, you've heard it
said,
but I say,
and
it's
important
that we
recognize that things
need to be restored.
We need...
I need restoration.
This world is a fallen
world, and
we need to be restored
to the way that
it was
originally.
Please God come.
I am constantly, my flesh
is constantly dragging
me into sin.
Yeah.
Constantly, whether willingly
or not.
And I want that gone.
Want this decay
destroyed.
More perfume, less decay.
There's a resurrection
of
both the just
and the unjust.
Whoa, the unjust?
I thought that just
us,
us Christians were going to
be raised from the dead.
No.
Really?
Yeah.
In fact,
technically,
we're all, get this,
eternal.
No.
Yeah.
What?
I know.
Since when?
Kind of scary, actually.
ever You looked in the mirror
and be like, and you think to
yourself, I'm eternal.
I'm eternal.
And 100 years.
Our souls are eternal.
In 100 years.
I'll still exist.
I might be looking in a mirror
by myself
because
we're not just souls.
We're not just spirit.
God, the
spiritual
made
flesh.
Made the physical.
Yeah.
And thus the physical is spiritual.
But there is still a
physical,
spiritual distinction.
Yeah.
Right?
But flesh is no
less spiritual than
the spirit.
Yeah.
And so
in the great
restoration of all things,
sorry, I added the word great to it.
My bad.
It is great.
I think it's pretty great.
We are not only
going to come back
eternally
as spirit.
We're going to come back eternally in
glorified bodies,
just like Jesus did.
And so that means, yeah, bless you.
That means, so the
just and the unjust,
that means the saved and the
unsaved
will rise
at the
end to
the final judgments.
And the consummation of God's kingdom.
Consummation.
And the
finalization.
He's going to judge
us all for
everything we did.
And the just will be
judged on
Christ.
On Christ.
Yeah.
And His righteousness and the
fact that the
condemnation that we
should
deservedly
gotten
is nailed upon
the cross
and is
dead.
Yeah.
And that's why we are slaves to
righteousness and not sin anymore.
Now we get to get into the
fun ones.
The ones that might get
us canceled before we even
begin.
Oh man, I hope so.
That'd be so cool.
Marriage is
divinely
ordained.
Heterogeneous define
that.
Means I could
actually pull up the definition
here for you.
Originating outside
the ointment.
Present in
the urine.
Oh,
gross.
Are your
heterogeneous
proteins?
This is a sentence.
Yeah.
Originating outside the organism.
So genus,
root word.
Genus is the root word.
And then hetero is a root word.
Right.
Heterosexual.
People know that one, right?
Sure.
What is heterosexual?
It means that
we
like opposite
gender.
Yeah.
Genus.
What is genus?
Genes.
Your genes.
What does your
genes make?
A person.
A person makes you.
So what is heterogeneous?
Opposite.
Yeah, outside of yourself.
What this definition says.
originating outside of the
organism.
There you go, bud.
I love that.
High five.
I'm amazing.
Thank you.
I'm a genius.
I'm a genius.
You are a genius.
Heterogeneous covenant
between one
man and one woman.
So it's outside of
the organism in that
God established it.
It is divinely ordained.
It is not just
us.
No.
Yeah.
Yes, but no.
I think this,
what this
part of the sentence
means,
is that
it's
between specifically
one man and one woman.
That's what this is pointing
to.
Outside of the organism?
Heterogeneous is such a weird word.
It is.
I don't know why we use that there.
I don't know why.
But I mean,
technically, yeah.
We should really just say it's a
heterosexual covenant
between one man and one woman.
Yeah.
But really, it's
more,
like relationship is more than sex.
Yeah.
Right.
Wait, what?
What do you mean?
No,
but the world tells
me.
So a
relationship,
marriage is between
two
people of different
sexes,
different genders,
different
persons,
different geniuses.
So that's the driving point
there, that word.
Reflecting God's design for
lifelong faithfulness.
With male, female,
distinct roles in
creation, order, and
family life.
Meaning
men
and women are different
and they have
different roles.
R -O -L -E
-S.
Distinct roles.
In creation, order,
and family life.
So this is a
super easy one here
is, do men
have babies
or do women have
babies?
They're strong in 26.
No, they don't.
Men do not have babies.
Yeah,
still not possible.
Well,
I want to
say the
reason we have this in here
is one,
because...
It's a cultural moment that we
have to say this.
That we have to say it.
Yeah.
And also,
this is what we
want.
This is our desire
for marriage.
And it is...
And it's our desire because
God
perdained
it.
Yeah.
Well, and God put
that desire in our hearts.
Because we read God's word, we
saw...
It was good.
That it was good.
And it's a beautiful
thing.
When we look at
marriages like
this,
people
think,
oh, you read the Bible and you're just
believing it.
It's like, no, no, no.
I've seen this.
I've seen relationships that reflect
this.
Yeah, I've seen
God's faithfulness
in it, in the design
and the faithfulness
between this
covenant
relationship.
When there is
faithlessness even.
Yeah.
When there's a couple
that
remains
in that
marriage,
even though one of them goes
outside of the marriage,
goes and cheats
on the other.
They still remain faithful.
The other remains faithful
to them because it's a
covenant.
That's what that means
in this context.
We already argued about that
previous episode.
This is a covenant, meaning
not a
contract,
as in, if you
cheat on me,
I'm done.
This is a covenant,
as in,
no matter what
you do,
I'm here to stay.
Well, and it reflects
God's
covenant with us.
Yeah.
And because
this
union is supposed to reflect
Christ and the church.
Yeah.
And the church is a whore.
Yeah.
Quite literally.
We choose other
gods.
And so,
I've heard
people talk about,
oh, I'm not willing to
stay in the
relationship.
And I mean,
the Bible
does give an
allowance for
sexual and
for
adultery,
and to get
divorced.
But that's not
the exception.
That's
not
the rule.
That's an exception.
Yeah.
That's not the rule.
That's the exception.
And that's not to say that that's
what God wants.
He wants to stay in it.
encourages Paul everyone to
work it out.
Yeah.
But...
Because that is the picture.
Yeah.
That God is willing to work it out.
This is the
standard for
marriage.
And we don't,
none of us have experienced that
personally.
But we want
to.
Yeah.
It is our desire, and
we'd absolutely advocate
for it.
So look us up,
if you're single.
And a woman.
And a woman,
specifically.
And a Christian.
And
next.
Next.
Another fun one.
One more hammering point.
Marriage is divinely created
by God.
Yeah.
It's not a human
thing.
human
thing.
Yeah.
Humans,
what they do,
you look at Romans 1.
Humans have
sex
outside of marriage.
They have what looks like
marriage but not marriage,
cohabitation before
marriage.
Marriage is just a piece of paper.
You just rolled your eyes at that.
We have
homosexual
marriage,
two men.
We have two women.
We have
transsexual relationships.
We have
pansexual.
We have
polygamy.
We have
polyamory,
which is the opposite
of polygamy.
You look in the Bible
and it shows
all of that throughout
history.
So, this is nothing new.
Yeah.
It's not like
God in the
New Testament was like, oh, this is how
marriage should be.
And here, Paul, I'm going to have you
talk about it.
Oh my gosh.
Guys, are you guys?
Yeah.
The entire Bible
is
rife
with
sexual sin.
And with
any
number of
different
situations.
Even the people that the Holy
Spirit is upon
are
just rife
with sexual sin.
Yeah.
And you'll hear it
brought up all the time, but David,
so many wives.
Committed adultery.
He was a polygamist.
And it
was like, well,
you hear about it all
the time.
All these biblical,
well, no, I mean, outside
of that, but like
all throughout the Bible.
I don't think about this
very often, but when I do,
I'm like, it's crazy,
but concubines.
Yeah.
Almost every Old
Testament character.
Basically not married
a girlfriend
that you have sex
with outside
of the marriages that you
have.
And by the way,
there's no such thing as
marriages.
That's adultery.
It says it plain
as day
in the New Testament.
If you
get
married,
the only way out is
death.
And if you
cohabitate
or you get married
again,
that's adultery.
Yeah.
And
this
is to show that God
still uses
those
people.
So it's not like we're not
condemning anybody.
We're pointing to the fact that this
isn't what God intended.
And we
need to
strive towards this.
That is the mark of the believer
with the Holy Spirit.
And culturally, at David's time,
it was
abnormal
not to have concubines
and not to have multiple
marriages in the
culture around them.
That's why God didn't want them to
have kings.
Well,
Abram is
one of the
biggest
characters,
biggest people
in
our
history.
He's pointed to a ton
and
he
had a
concubine.
And there's these two
lines that are pointed to.
And it's like,
that's what God used.
Inside
of
the
sin,
God thrives.
And I just wanted
to point out David,
because
David's
committing adultery
his entire life, basically.
But when it's
culturally
understood as adultery
is when he sees
Bathsheba, kills his
husband and takes her as his
wife.
That's what the culture
understands as adultery.
Although
he's been committing
adultery all along.
And so there's
the forbearance of
God in that
of, yes,
David's committing sin here
outside of
the obvious sin.
But God is willing to
forbear that, have
patience with that,
because
of Christ
who is coming,
who will
take
all of the
all the justified
anger and wrath
from
long
ago onto
himself.
But God still deals with
the known sin,
not putting God in the box here.
It's just
interesting
that God is patient
with
the sins that we don't even
know we're doing.
And
this
whole thing with David
was
cultural.
In our culture,
it's coming back.
Not polygamy,
thank God.
Not polyamory,
thank God.
But
things outside of what
God has ordained as
true and proper marriage.
And so that's why we have this
here.
And that's And that's why we have the next
point.
here.
Yep.
Gender and sexuality are
created by God with
inherent design
affirming male and female
as distinct and
sexual activity is rightly
ordered within the
covenantal framework of marriage
between a man and a woman.
Any other
expressions outside this
design are viewed as
contrary to God's incentive.
So everything we just talked about
with the
added like
gender is
one and two,
male and female.
There's no other,
there's no accommodations.
It doesn't matter if
there's exceptions
because, oh, people are
born in certain
ways.
And it's like, no,
that's not how God intended
it.
And
sure,
maybe there's things going on
with their bodies that are
abnormal, but
honestly,
that's a result of the
fall.
Yes.
And so...
So,
creation was complicated by
sin.
Yeah.
And so we do have
legitimate
situations
where a baby has both.
Yeah.
So content warning,
if you have kids in the car
or listening,
maybe pause it.
Okay.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
So
there
are moments
in creation
where
that creation
groaning, right?
Where a baby is born with
both genitals.
Yeah.
And then they have to choose, the
doctor has to choose
which one.
Depending,
they usually choose which one
is
what you
call it more formed.
Yeah.
More prominent, whatever.
Right.
That would be an interesting
topic to get into later.
Like I said, decay on another pod.
Sure.
Content warning.
Yeah, content warning for
sure.
But yeah,
in the grand scheme of things, God's
design at the very beginning of time
was
male and female.
Yeah.
And I mean, there's
a
very practical side to this.
And we've
heard about it in
recent years, that
if you go
to the ER
and you
put anything other
than what you were
born as,
they can't do anything.
They can't rightfully
help you.
Yeah.
Because they're so distinct
as genders.
Yeah.
That there's different
medical
practices for each.
And if you want
to die,
stand on your hill
and
tell them the wrong
gender.
Yeah.
Honestly.
I really don't
want them to die.
No, I don't want you to die.
I want you to...
You're born
gender.
Yeah.
Please.
Point number 12.
There's also different
dosing
percentages as well.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, another
practical thing is
men are
stronger.
Men are naturally stronger
than
females.
And our body structure
are like so many
things.
It's like, if you think you're going to
get away just because you
think
that
you can be this thing,
you're not.
You're just not.
Yeah.
And it's important that you
recognize that.
I mean,
you know, and God is going to
love you either way.
You can come to Christ.
Yeah, come as you are.
And
pursue
Him.
And I've heard so many awesome redemption
stories
that
I
mean,
it's incredible.
And people that were like, oh, I
went all the way.
Like I did all the things.
And I realized that I
was wrong.
And in those moments, it's like,
okay,
I went
way off the
deep end.
And so
many people are like, I
should just give up.
Right.
But no, Jesus still
wants you.
And He wants
you because
you're an incredible
testimony.
And you're still
a beautiful person.
And you're
still made in the image of God.
He loves you
for you.
Yeah.
Including
everything
that is confusing and
frustrating about
you.
Yeah.
That frustrates you.
Yeah.
He knows
you better than you know
yourself.
He knew before the foundations
of you.
Yes.
And He loves you.
Yeah.
And now - doesn't He love you for anything
else but you.
Yeah.
And now you have an
opportunity to point others
towards Christ so that they
don't make that
same mistake that you
made.
Yeah.
Point number 12.
Point number 12.
Sexual integrity is invited
and
commanded.
Believers are called to pursue
purity, self -control,
and holiness in all
sexual conduct,
avoiding sexual practices
that
contravene biblical
teaching.
Contravene just means
go
against.
Yeah.
Right.
And I mean,
we've basically
hashed this out
over and over again.
But specifically,
there's a lot
of
church.
church hurt
around purity
culture.
And, you know,
it's church
hurt and also just
misunderstanding.
But yeah, it's ultimately
pointing to
what you just
highlighted, sexual activity is
rightly ordered within
the covenantal framework of
marriage.
Which is divinely ordained
by God.
And, you know,
there's a
many… And
going to the church hurt,
it's God's
design for lifelong
faithfulness.
And that's where the church hurt comes in
when
you
don't follow
these commands, which are more
like protections.
Well, they're a blessing.
Yeah.
It's like the fence analogy
that I brought up a while ago,
where
you have
children in a playground with
no fence.
They all gather in the center
because they
feel as
protected
as possible in the
center.
But as soon as you put up a fence,
they go all the
way over to the fence,
because they feel safe
by the fence, because they know that
that's a boundary.
And they don't try to… I mean,
some of them try to climb the
fence, right?
Just like all of us do.
But they
go up to that fence
because they feel
safe.
And that's what this command is.
So I have
a problem with commands, and
so many people
do too.
Romans 8 says
it,
that the
nature of
sin makes us rebellious
to God's commands.
We cannot follow God's commands.
We cannot please God.
And so whenever we see
command, we
go, oh,
uh I have the freedom
to choose what to do with my
life.
I have independence.
So the fact that you're
telling me not to have sex
outside of marriage… I'm going to go and
do it, though.
I'm going to do it.
Yeah.
Because you don't control me.
Yeah.
But this is just the
fence to make you feel
safe.
Because all of the church
hurt that you're talking about
that
stems from sexual
impurity,
meaning outside of marriage,
is because
we jump the fence.
There's a reason why that fence
is there, is to
protect us.
Well, and even to…
I can personally speak to
that hurt.
Yeah, I was going to say… can You
personally speak
to that hurt.
The audience,
I'm sure you can personally speak to
that hurt.
Yeah.
Even if you're not a believer,
if you've
had
sex outside of marriage
or
anything,
right, again, content warning,
like pornography,
masturbation,
second base,
third base, fourth base, whatever,
right,
that leaves you
hurt when that
person leaves,
when you leave that person.
You feel like you're missing
something.
Yeah.
But
the
world says that's normal.
That's not normal.
God ordained this to
be a faithful,
lifelong covenant
between a man and a
woman.
So that you feel
safe.
And not only feel safe,
but He created it
for us to enjoy.
The reason that we enjoy
it so much, and the
reason that
it's
so
nice.
It's so… Binding.
It feels so good and it's so binding.
Because that's the way God made
it.
It's not like, oh, you
cannot
do these things.
It's like, no, no.
He wants
you to do this.
He wants you to experience this.
One of the first commands that God gave
Adam
and Eve was
to make babies.
Yeah.
And He made it
pleasurable for a reason.
There's no curse.
That's interesting.
There is no curse
saying that this will
not be enjoyable.
Anymore.
Anymore.
That's limiting the
enjoyment.
It's made the way that it
is, the parts
of it together, the way
that they do, because
God made it that
way and He wants it
that way.
And it's beautiful and it's
amazing and it's a miracle,
really.
And, you know,
again,
He created
it the way that He did
as a blessing
to protect,
you know, things are the way that they are
to protect us.
And, you know, being
outside of that
sucks.
Yeah.
It's awful.
I mean, it's akin to
just being
emotionally vulnerable with
someone and then they go and use
that against you or they
go and like tell
whoever
about it.
Like, man, I told you that in
confidence.
Are you going and spewing my,
I was vulnerable with you and
I told you that and you're going and
telling everybody?
Or more real
for a lot of
girls,
like their pictures are out there.
That's a vulnerability,
physical vulnerability that
is just,
I can't even imagine.
I can't imagine.
I've heard about
porn
stars turn to Christ.
How do you cope
with that?
How do you cope?
I mean,
and
to
put it clearly, again,
if you've gone through any of these
things, God has a
purpose for you, and it is to preach
to those people that are
experiencing that.
But you're not condemning you either.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you have
a clear through
-line of ministry,
and it is an important
ministry, and it is a ministry
I can't do.
Yeah.
And a lot of people can't do, so
you are specialized, and
God desires
that.
And yes, all
of that stuff is evil,
but now
that you're in Christ, you're a new
person.
You're going to get a new body.
You have
the down payment
of the inheritance, you
have eternity to look
towards, and right now
you get to live the rest of your
life to
lead other people
in that world
to that
inheritance to
that eternity.
Yeah.
And I think
that's
a good point is all of
this is,
we're using this platform
to point
to that.
And regardless
of where you're at, what you've
done, we're not perfect
people.
I've done, I've
sinned
immensely.
Yeah.
And
there's,
you know, that doesn't
disqualify us.
That just means that we
need to be honest.
That does not disqualify
us from God's grace and mercy.
Yeah.
And it doesn't disqualify
us from proclaiming the gospel.
In fact,
it
motivates us
to proclaim it more
because we need it.
Romans says that
our
sin makes
God's
grace,
like
God's
goodness,
so much more good.
Should we sin that grace?
Yeah, no.
That grace may abound?
Yeah.
No.
But even
still, His grace
is overflowing
when we mess.
And the reason why it's no
is because do you want
more pictures out there?
Do you want your,
I guess
I'll say it, and you end over here,
fits both.
Do you want your junk out there?
These things are vulnerable
for a reason.
Yeah.
And you want to share that with someone
who's
going to be faithful.
Yeah.
Someone who's not going to expose
you.
You don't want.
Yeah.
And I mean,
it's the same thing with if you
just lie,
lies are going to be exposed.
Yeah.
And
it
racks up as we
see in the Old Testament, it
compounds,
it keeps going.
Yeah.
And even if you get away with it,
the weight of those lies
on your shoulders.
Yeah.
The Holy Spirit is going to convict you.
Well, even if you're not a Christian,
this is,
like psychology,
like your body
feels the
stress of those
lies.
We need to have like a whole
series on the body or something.
Yeah.
There's a lot.
It's no, spirit and
mind and body are
tightly
entwined,
intertwined.
And cortisol will be
released,
and you're not going to have enough
time to sleep
and eat
and
deal with that
stress of
all of those lies that you're
managing.
And you're going to have a
heart attack.
No.
Give it over to Christ.
Amen.
So onto
the next
portion,
the decay portion of this
part of this episode.
Yeah.
Because we're going to get
into
somewhat the boring
side of
podcasts, but also
we made
it a little fun.
We did.
And we're going to get into that.
We refused.
Yeah.
We refused.
By mom, we mean chat.
Yeah.
I do want to say before
we move on into this,
the
previous
portion is very
important.
What we said at the end is very
important.
And I think
if
you have
comments,
questions,
we are still
wrestling with
a lot
of
even some of the
previous parts.
And
not
just wrestling
personally, but
how do we
deal
with the culture?
How do we deal with other things?
And so again,
we want to be honest, but
we want
to wrestle together.
We don't want to be alone.
We don't want to isolate because that's
when
sin creeps
up and
pounces on
us.
Sin is crouching at the door.
And it's desires
to
destroy.
Yeah.
So
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a comment, leave a question
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that's That's two D's in the
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You can't have
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Which is technically the actual name of
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Yeah.
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But yeah, so
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We'll do our best to
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It'll probably be steady early
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We'll be good.
But onto
DK.
Number one, in
one sentence,
what is this podcast
about?
Ooh,
a deep, honest,
dissection of the word of
God and the effect it
has on our
lives as well as the
world as a whole.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think I asked at
one point,
what has this podcast,
has this podcast, what
effect has this
podcast had on
us personally?
So I'm gonna pose this
question really quick.
Has it changed all for you
guys?
Has it changed
us?
Has the
effect that it has
had on us had any
change?
Yeah.
Yeah?
Yeah.
I can tell you,
last year
when we started this podcast in
November of
2025,
I was
on
the tail end or
in the midst of a really
rough patch with God.
Major breakup, thought I
was gonna marry this girl.
Praise God that it did not
happen because it was a
really sinful
ungodly relationship.
But it devastated
me, wrecked me.
Rocked my world.
And I
first
started by
praising God that
he got me out of it
and trying
to
rekindle that
relationship that I had with him
before this relationship.
And
then
I
decided to believe in a
lie from Satan that
God
could have prevented this,
that God
is not fulfilling his promises.
And I was just gonna
leave him on
red.
Like I still
understood and knew
the truth, but I
was not gonna
have any of it.
Like I'm pissed God.
And so that's the season that I was coming
out
of.
And so this
podcast has
really been
hard
because you cannot
be in that mindset
and do a podcast like
this.
You cannot.
And so now I'm in this
season
full
circle, man.
So since
that breakup, I've
had another official
breakup.
And then there was this girl
that
really
liked,
like gorgeous,
great personality,
like the kind of
person that,
it's that kind of relationship where
you know
you're gonna be best friends.
And usually those things are
like, someone's
attracted to the other, but
the other person's
not.
But in this case, we both were.
And so I was like, man, this is probably
the one.
I'm gonna nod towards me.
Yes.
You know, if you were a girl.
No, no, no,
I mean like, because
that's been my experience.
Oh yeah, yeah.
They don't like me, but I
like.
Well, I've got
experience with that in the past too.
Yeah.
But I was like, man, if
anyone's the one, like this is a
great shot,
you know.
But that girl
learned of my
history and my past
and
wasn't
for me or wasn't for
her.
So man,
tough.
So I could either choose
bitterness and
anger that
I
chose those things or bitterness
and anger that God
didn't,
that God allowed me to do those things.
And now I have
these
consequences that I'm reaping.
Or I could turn
to him and say, God, I need
your help.
Yeah.
Help me God.
And so now I'm in the season of
purposely not
dating
and picking up
my Bible every day
now
and getting in the
Word
daily.
Which is something that I haven't done
for
probably a year and a half or
two.
Which is
absolutely
crazy.
That's been that long.
So
yeah,
this podcast is
changing lives.
One host at a time.
Well,
Steven, any
anything
on that?
Not by much,
not much.
sorry,
I'm probably bringing
my clothes for me
Not much
change
Other than
I've
Within like the last
month month and a half
now
I
have
not necessarily
prayed but
Just like
saying my
mind
Just asking God for
help and stuff
like I'll be
like Just
holding myself up
like right before you go to sleep I
sleep on my stomach and
kind of just
hard grip my pillow.
Yeah, it's like rest
there Yeah,
and just like I just
like close my eyes and just like
Hey God,
I
Am having trouble saying
that I
Don't know if I'm gonna be able
to move out with my
friends
so
if you could help me
just
Give me a little push
maybe motivate
me Push
me in the right direction.
Maybe it's not a direction that I
want but
It could really use that push.
Yeah, so
that's good.
It's personal.
Thanks, man well, and there's
also you know
the object of that
which is that you
have
Your friends
Which
Wouldn't have happened
Without podcast
without this happening
because then
you wouldn't have shown up
For this.
Yeah, and you wouldn't have brought
Stephen with
and
He wouldn't have been
here And
we're
gonna be on patreon cuz we're church,
but
Then you wouldn't be on this
podcast and this
wouldn't be happening
And you
know
Regardless of what of
what happens, you know,
the the prospect
is I mean it's attractive
to me
Obviously it's attractive
to you you desire
that and I
know it's attractive to Daniel
too
because
You know even even if
it's not about the podcast
there's something valuable here
in this friendship
And so
I think what
this podcast is about
in a lot of ways
just our friendship
And it's it's
interesting because
This is kind of this is
just where our conversations
go in person like
yeah, we leave here It's
a whole podcast.
We're gonna have a whole bunch
to to love
dumplings, yeah
And
it's just it's just not
a joke.
It's it's so
funny every single
time every single time really
yesterday We had a whole podcast in the
car.
Yeah, and
and
Wherever we go, whatever
we talk about, you know
And we're always like dang
it dude.
Yeah should have saved
that.
Yeah, or I should just not talk
until the podcast.
Yeah
It's like let's sit
here in silence and
discern to each other's
eyes.
Yeah
but
That is that is
really
What it ends up being about
and I mean we can't turn into each
other's eyes.
Yeah, absolutely in
one sentence
All right, let's go on to number
two
Hold on what about you?
Oh me?
Yeah, I
Mean this the
podcast for me
is a
sense of
So like this year for
me is the year
of execution
I'm executing
things means I'm
killing a lot of people no
I'm glad you made that
yeah, thank you
I'm doing
I'm doing the
things that I say
I'm going to do
previously was a lot of
thinking and
contemplating and trying to figure
out and and
not executing
but
Getting to the point to where
execution can
happen
But in a lot of ways
also lying to myself that
things will will happen
and just not doing anything
But this year
it's I'm gonna do this even if
I don't feel like yeah and this and
this podcast was
really the
first step in that
direction
and
You know
recognizing because
I've always known that I've needed
help
and
you know, we
I
needed this
And and
and the
Daniels bank account
to
But you saw my
car and you know, yeah,
yeah,
yeah, yeah,
I'm gonna
be best friends with dad
But but
truly,
you know, I've
needed help I've needed
Well, I and I've
needed the journey here
But this was the
first step in that direction
that things can be
executed and also
just to know how
I
need to
rely
on the people that God has put in
my life.
And if there are things
that I need
to,
that I can do on my own, I mean,
and that's just,
yeah, it's been a great
motivator because this
is happening.
It's not...
It's happened.
It's happened, yeah.
Perfect, it's happening,
it's happening, it will happen.
Yeah.
And
I mean, there's just
no
near
future at least in which
this isn't gonna happen.
And
I think anything that happens
in our lives from here on
out is just going to be in addition
to the podcast.
Whether we all get married, I mean,
that's just more
pod to a
lot of members.
Sorry.
Whether we all get
married to
women
that
don't transition,
whether we
each
individually
get married to other
people outside of this
podcast...
Okay.
You know, those
are just extra pod
members or
helpers.
Extra pod members.
Well, truly just
helpers
in
this.
But
motivators,
even cheerleaders,
whoever they're
gonna choose to be.
Right.
Whatever sexist thing we wanna say.
Yes.
Definitely cheerleaders.
Anyways, on to point number
two,
what tension...
Wait, hold on, hold on.
What?
So it's
blossomed into
execution in all
your
endeavors,
all your creative endeavors.
Because out of the three of us, you're for
sure,
I would say the most creative.
In what ways is that
happening?
Just give me like two
examples.
Two examples?
So technically it looks the
same in
a lot of ways.
Because I've always been
able to sit down and
do the thing
for
however
much time.
But it wasn't as
consistent.
So this podcast is gonna be the
through line that
keeps you consistent?
Yeah.
Okay.
It's
the
train that I'm riding that's
reminding me that I need to...
And it's the help of friends
keeping each
other accountable to
be
consistent.
Yeah.
That's something that I was talking to
Stephen about
when
we
went home on
Thursday.
Sure.
And you went to bed like an old grandpa.
Great.
Yeah.
We went to Kane's
and
I
poured out my heart
and
the
big takeaway for me,
because I'm an out
loud thinker.
The big takeaway for me is
I'm the most
vulnerable when I ask people
for help.
And I feel like I'm doing that with
you guys.
And that's the thing that I've been
missing
with friends in the past
is I
don't wanna be a bother.
And deeper,
I don't wanna
ask for
help because I'm
afraid that you're gonna
think I am a
bother or that you're gonna
say no, or you're gonna
say, oh, this person's a bother.
Get rid of them.
But that's something I've noticed in
my career too is
I suck
at asking for
help.
And this podcast
is by
definition
asking
for help
constantly.
So.
Well, and there's
the clash of
personalities because
I'm the kind of person
that
in a lot of
ways I've always kind of asked for
help.
But when I
see that someone
needs help,
I
greatly impose myself
on them.
And
it's
not always come out
in the best ways, but
I...
Well, you help even
if
the
person you're helping doesn't know you're
helping.
Just step in and help.
Yeah.
Which is great.
And that's
important.
And I
do
hope that I'm actually helping.
Right.
But
yeah,
I mean, and that's
pointing
to the sovereignty of God, I feel
like that's just...
The gift.
The gift that we have here.
That you've been given.
Well, yeah, that I've been given.
But I mean,
we have
this dynamic.
This opportunity to
you
get to
ask for help.
I get to ask for
help.
Stephen gets to ask for help.
And we get to
use whatever gifts
we have to do.
To help each other.
Yeah, to help each other.
Community.
Quinea.
Quinea.
in the uh...
Amen.
That's That's great.
Greek right?
That is Greek.
That is Greek to me.
All right.
Number two, what tension,
question, or
discomfort
does the show
willingly sit
with?
Ooh.
Well, Michael,
thanks for asking.
I've been thinking real hard
about this, and my answer
is...
What is?
The truth that God
has baked into creation
can't
always be fully known
or easily
handled.
Why on earth would
that be a tension,
a question, or a discomfort?
It's uncomfortable
because,
Michael,
God's truth is uncomfortable.
It is uncomfortable.
And it's baked into His
creation, you and me.
Ooh.
Not Steven.
Sorry, Steven.
Yeah, exactly.
It's baked into His creation.
Yeah.
And so this is something that I
learned while we were doing the first few
podcasts.
Because the first few, we
actually were able to come
to some pretty good, decent
conclusions.
And then there was
another few that
happened where we
could have talked
for six more
hours on top of the four hours
already.
And we still wouldn't have come
to a decent conclusion.
And that was so
frustrating to me.
And I realized in
that that I
needed to be comfortable
with the fact
that God's truth
sometimes is totally
unknowable.
Yeah.
And we had to wrestle with it our
entire lives.
Yeah.
And there's the
beauty of that
also.
Because I have a hard time
with that.
Could you help me with that?
Because...
Yes, Daniel, I can absolutely
help you with that.
Thank you, brother.
Because we
serve an infinite
God.
And in His
infinite
nature,
that
very
clearly means that
because we are finite,
we cannot
fully know.
And so if He is in control,
and He loves us, and He
created us, and
He made a way for
us to
come to the truth
that we need in order
to come to Him,
that means that the
gospel, being
what saves us,
the hearing of the gospel,
is all that we
need to be saved, to be
secure,
to come
into life, to have His
Spirit, to be able
to read His Word,
and to understand it
fully.
As fully as we need to.
As full as we need to.
Still, Jonah's confusing.
Yeah.
But then
God reveals
to us
in its
time what it
is that He wants us to see.
And
so it
is scary,
and kind of we don't...
Because we're not in control.
It's scary, and it's
weird, and it's uncomfortable,
because we
don't...
We're not in control of
what it is that hits
us when it hits us.
But
God
is, and that should be
a comfort to us, because
when He reveals it to
us, it's beautiful,
and it's amazing.
And that's something that we've...
I have at least
experienced on this
podcast,
reading through Genesis,
especially,
and being like, wow,
I've read this
so many
times, and
I'm not in control,
clearly, because
when I
read those, I'm like, I
am so
outside of control of
this, because I'm just
now reading it.
Yeah.
27 years of life,
and I'm
realizing the truth
of the
basics.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
Or
even
just recognizing the
awe and the wonder that should
come from Scripture.
Right.
And having read
Scripture so
long,
and just
now.
Yeah.
And some people,
it's later in life, it's 50
years, it's 60 years, it's
70 years.
Some people at the end of their life,
they come to salvation,
and maybe they've read the word because
they're
at the end of it, and they have
the Holy Spirit, and they're like,
holy cow,
that's the God that I serve, and
He's revealing it to me right
now.
And one thing
that...
Something that I've been thinking about
for the longest
time is
how confusing salvation
is.
Why did it have to happen the way that it
did?
Why did Jesus have to die?
Why does that
math equation
work?
And something that
God revealed in Scripture
to
me, careful Michael,
that sure moves, right?
Is that
just
as God could create everything
from nothing,
He can create salvation
out of the most
confusing thing ever.
He can just do
whatever
He wants to do,
however He wants to do it.
And that's helped me
just
accept it.
Like it is what it is.
I don't understand
it.
Why did it have to happen that way?
Because I have like an engineering mind of
like A plus
B equals C.
It has to happen
in this order.
It has a chain of events
that you can track
all the way through
and backwards.
But that's not how
God works all the
time.
It's confusing.
Yeah.
And there's also, you know,
we've said this before, but
it's like if we were to
fully understand,
we would
see us to exist.
Our branch would exist.
We could not.
We don't have a capacity.
Again, we're not infinite.
Yeah.
So that's why it's
difficult.
I mean, that's
part of it.
You know, there is also the issue of our
sin and, you know, us
not wanting to accept
and it's not
easily handled because it's like,
oh, I've been living a certain
way.
I mean, we all know
people who
are in the
church or say they're in the
church or say they're
Christians or whatever.
And, you know,
they have trauma.
They have any number of things.
They have behaviors that they've built
up over the course of their life.
They have
any number of things.
And we all have that.
And they
come to the word of God.
They come to the truth
and they're
like,
I
don't want that.
I don't want to believe that.
I don't like that.
It makes me feel bad.
I'm very uncomfortable with
this.
I, in fact, maybe even hate
it.
And, you know, and
what's
incredible again
is that God
knows that.
And he understands that.
And it doesn't stop the truth from
being the truth,
which, you know, when
there's a rock in front of you
and you feel
strong,
you want to move that rock.
And you're going to throw your back at it.
And you're going to throw your back at it
every
time until you realize,
oh, maybe I can't move this
rock.
Maybe I have to accept that it is
here
and
move on.
It's not easily
handled.
So yeah, that's what the
show is
about,
is being able to
sit in that discomfort
that we can't easily
handle the truth.
Can you handle the truth?
Yeah.
Is that the one?
I don't know.
You can't handle the truth.
Yeah.
There we go.
And yeah, that's part of the being
honest with each other.
Yeah.
Number three.
What should a first time listener
feel after one episode, Michael?
Absolutely devastated.
They should hate themselves
and never
doing it.
I'm just kidding.
For real?
Compelled to be honest with
themselves,
others, and especially God,
full of wonder,
curiosity, and hope,
how edification and
entertainment,
intertwine.
Interesting.
Now, here's the question.
That's the feeling.
Do we
feel that?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah?
Yeah.
I mean,
you were just saying
like,
your mind was getting
blown
every time we
were going through Genesis.
Like every little bit, things
that you've never
even
began
to think about
in your 27 years of
short life.
All right.
That
has
to
be
wonder.
It has to
be,
it's like a chain reaction
that
fosters
curiosity,
at least in me.
All right.
This is the reason
why I've more and
more fallen in love with this podcast
because I've become
more and more curious
about God's Word
and the
treasures that are within it
that I just haven't taken the time
to find.
And that brings hope
to me
because
like that's,
I mean,
treasure.
It's hidden.
What treasures am
I yet to
find that
are going to be life changing?
Yeah.
And you keep digging and
you keep digging and you're like, oh,
surely there's not more.
Like I'm sure we've missed stuff.
Oh yeah.
This is like Mr.
Beast's Super Bowl ad.
I have no idea what were you talking
about.
Oh, you didn't watch Super Bowl?
Okay.
So you had an ad
that
basically said
you,
the watcher,
audience,
there's clues in
this ad.
And if you follow them,
you,
the watcher, could win
a million dollars.
And so people are
online
posting about this,
going through finding
the clues, putting them together,
and finding
other hidden
videos, other
puzzles and
stuff like that and putting things
together
and
reaching for the
million dollar prize.
And it's this
magnificent,
just
treasure treasure hunt.
Yeah.
And And
that's
the word of God
times a million,
times a billion.
It's
just
like Mr.
Beast's treasure hunt video.
Except at the end of it,
it's not
treasure.
It's not
monetary.
It's spiritual.
It's eternal life.
It's justification.
It's righteousness.
It's everything
that you hate about yourself
gone
forever.
Everything that you love about life,
infinitely better
forever.
That's the treasure we're looking for.
That's the treasure that we
start with.
And that treasure
becomes more and more real
every time we find
those hidden gems.
Yeah.
And it's found in
the
God that wrote
it.
And it's
interesting because we constantly
lose sight of that.
And that
treasure, every time we step
away from it, we're like, oh, I don't
know.
I mean, we're basically saying, I don't
need
that.
And then we go back to it.
Yeah.
And then we go back to it and we're like,
whoops, wow.
And I mean,
that's just the reminder of how,
I mean,
I've gone back to the
word of God
and just broken
down.
And I'm like, what the heck
is wrong with me?
Why would I ever put
this aside?
And
that's
God
saying, hey,
welcome back.
Hey, buddy.
I'm so glad that you're here.
Welcome to the conversation.
Yeah.
And
let's
start back where
we were because
he takes
you as you are.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Question number four,
what should a long -term listener
slowly
realize over time?
This is a big one.
And I want you and Stephen to
take this one.
That's right, Stephen.
I'm sorry, I'm throwing you under the bus.
Because I have to
take
care of business if you know what I mean.
Taking care of
business every
day.
Stephen, do you want to
read this one?
It's a long one to read,
dude.
It's messed up.
So,
I
asked if he wants to read it.
He doesn't have to read it.
Okay, fine.
No.
Fine.
What's, okay.
So,
I'll re -read the question because I
forgot.
What should a long -term listener slowly
realize over time?
What the Christian walk looks
like in reality,
they should realize the truth
of God and His character
is all encompassing for
every believer in every
situation of their
lives
how
lunatics can be Christians
too.
That's funny.
That the edification of God's
word is so
often
entertaining and that the
study of His word doesn't
have to be boring.
So, the first portion,
what the Christian walk
looks like
in reality.
So, how
would
they realize that slowly?
I mean, you live in
reality,
obviously.
I'd hope so.
I don't hope so.
Yeah.
Otherwise, I'm just like Casper.
I'm here,
guys.
All right.
I'm floating.
It's a tough one.
It's a weird one because
I know what I would give
as my
own.
Just
always
looking back
at myself
and
maybe
looking at how
can I do better.
And
even
if you
do stumble and fall, you
can always get back up
and
see
what you did was
wrong, let's
say,
when you did stumble and fall.
And then always
look back at
the Bible and
basically see,
oh, okay,
that I need to work on
then.
Yeah.
I
guess
that could be a general
thing that people could
realize.
Do you think that
this...
How does this podcast
display that?
I mean, partially because of what you just
said.
I think in a way that
we look stuff up,
just be sure
that we're correct on it.
Sure.
I know a time
before I forget
what I said,
but I was wrong on it.
I'm willing to accept that.
Absolutely.
No problem.
And
I
know I do
stuff wrong in life.
I know I don't
talk a lot, but
on here
and
I'm
sure that
stuff stuff...
may come around
and might not,
just depending on the
subject.
And
I'll
exactly say what
I did wrong and
just admit
what I should have done
better,
sorry.
So,
yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I think
in terms of what
the
Christian walk looks like
in reality,
I think the three of us are
a good example.
And I think when we bring on my
sister, we're a good example
because,
you
know, we
don't
have you on this podcast
because
we want
you to be
exactly like us.
We want you on this podcast because you're
you, right?
And you bring
to the table something
that we don't have
because we're not
you.
And I mean,
we've pointed it out
and, you know,
we're not trying
to be a
perfect group of
people that are constantly talking
the entire time and everybody puts
in their insight.
And I mean, even when my sister's on,
why do we have her on?
Well, she's 16 years old.
She's a girl and
she's different.
And she's also very
creative.
She sits here and she's
drawing and
whatever.
And, you know, she's not in dead weight
to this podcast, I don't
think.
I think she is a
good example
to
our audience that
she's a Christian.
She's on the podcast because
we are trying to reflect
what reality looks
like.
And it's not
always having
something to say.
It's not always having
an
answer.
Sometimes it's just
coming up with a question.
Like you're great at coming up with
questions.
You come up with a question, we just ask
you.
Sometimes it's just having
insight on
information,
you know, that God
has given you, right?
And the reality of the
Christian walk is that
it's not
a
podcast
where
everybody, you know,
handles everything perfectly.
But
it's
just
people
being who they
are and
getting to
sit
under the Word of
God,
hearing the Word of God.
And whenever we do have
something,
I mean, it was given to us by
God.
And we
take
the opportunity when
we can when God
has put it on our hearts.
And I think we
reflect that
greatly because we are
each
given
individual gifts.
And, you know, we're all proclaiming
something to
different communities.
I mean,
Daniel,
when he speaks, he's speaking
to people that are like him.
When I speak, I'm speaking to people
that are like me.
When my sister speaks, she's
speaking to a younger
generation.
We can't speak to that younger
generation as well as
she can.
And, you know,
we joke about
your
sight,
your blindness, but
you are also,
when you speak,
you have
a
group of people that are going to
listen to you that
would never listen to
us because
we
don't understand,
we don't get it.
And I mean, your specific
experience in life,
you have a
unique opportunity that
is invaluable to this
podcast because we are
trying to reach everyone.
We're not just trying to reach
people that are
dumb like me
and
Daniel.
Why did you gesture at
me?
The heck?
And then I said me.
I gestured at you and I said
me.
But, you know, and
that's
how we're pointing to
reality is
we're
not trying to be the
perfect
fluid
podcast 100
% of the time.
You know, there's people on this
podcast that aren't talking the
whole time.
You know, just because Daniel and I
can talk to
a wall
on
either
side
of the table doesn't
mean that, you know, everybody
needs to be able to do that.
And I think
that's invaluable.
I don't think that that's
something that should
stop.
The real question here is who
is the lunatic?
Because it says how
lunatics can be
Christians too.
We are collectively
the lunatic.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
But we're not there yet.
So you skipped.
Oh, shoot.
They should realize the
truth of God and His
character is
all encompassing for every
believer in every situation
for their lives.
I think that just goes hand in
hand kind of with what I was saying
about reality is, you
know, we are,
we're speaking to different
communities
between
the three of
us, four of us and my sisters
here,
or whoever we
bring on the podcast.
We're speaking to
different groups of
people,
and
that
does point to, in
our individual
experiences,
how God and
His character is all
encompassing for every believer.
He won
meaning in the Word of
God, but
multiple applications,
and we all, we
experience
that.
Shout out to Pastor Rob,
BHPC.
We were talking about the
lunatics,
that the edification of
God's Word is
so often
entertaining,
and that the study of His
Word doesn't
have to be boring.
I think
we
get that.
Even though we've
been very serious
over the course
of the
several
episodes
that we've done,
we still have fun, we still have
our little bits and
goofs and
whatever going on.
guys You saw that at the top of the show.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Stalling and going
absolutely crazy.
But, you know, and that
is
a gift.
And I'm going to say this,
and I'm going to kick myself for saying it
at some point in my life, I'm sure.
But
we
don't view
fun
so often
as a gift from God.
Amen.
Just like we
don't, especially in
Christian culture, we don't view
sex as a gift from
God.
It's something to be ashamed of.
Yeah,
and that's a result of
purity culture
and the issues
with it.
Result of the fall.
Yeah, but
fun
is a thing
that God
gave us.
We should be having fun.
We should be, we should be able
to look at God's word
and
talk at
length about something crazy.
You know, and speculate and have
fun with that.
God gave us imagination.
God gave us the brains that
we have, the personalities that we have.
On purpose.
On purpose.
Yeah.
And God has a sense of humor.
You cannot change my mind about that.
I mean, dude, there's
what, a talking
donkey?
Yeah.
In the Bible?
You cannot tell
me at any point
that God didn't think that was
fun.
That's hilarious.
That's crazy.
Like,
and honestly,
that is the most
badass bit
in the Bible.
Dude, well, okay, but
there's a lot of,
look, there's a lot of badass.
I just got it.
There you go, bud.
That's good.
Thank you.
That's good.
That's good.
You got me.
Yeah.
I mean, what is it?
Who was it?
Elisha when he's
mocking the...
Elijah.
Elijah.
Yeah.
Whatever.
Elijah came first,
Elijah came second.
Oh, okay.
Elijah was taken up in the cherry to
fire.
But, you know, he's
mocking
these people.
This is in the Bible, and he's
mocking these people's God.
What if you guys...
While they're like literally...
What if you dance harder?
Yeah.
What if you dance harder?
Oh, maybe he's on the toilet.
Like,
what?
No.
Was he fully right on that?
I don't know, but also
hilarious.
Hilarious.
He's having a tight
five
while
he's about to call...
Like, he's just...
He's pounding out his Netflix
special right there.
Yeah.
He's just
like...
And then the real.
Like, he's ultra
depressed.
Like, the next
scene.
Yeah.
Like, he's running for his life,
and he's like, God, where are you?
Yeah.
Like,
these...
It was a joke, dude.
Yeah.
We live in a day and age where we
can't even joke.
Yeah.
What the heck?
No.
Right.
He's fearing
man the very
next scene.
He's running for his life the
very next scene,
asking God, where
are you?
So, it's both
hilarious
and
then real.
Yeah.
Like, in the same
story.
And it's interesting too, because...
Where does it say it?
But doesn't it say that God
laughs at our...
Like,
at our plans or whatever?
Yeah.
Certain things.
Let's ask chat.
We could ask chat.
But...
Shall we do a new chat?
New chat.
Yeah.
Where does it say in the Bible that
God laughs at
our plans or
at whatever?
This is
Amen.
God laughs at
human rebellion.
Oh,
even better.
Psalm 24.
The one enthroned in heaven
laughs.
The Lord scoffs at them.
Also, in Psalm 37,
God laughs at the wicked
because their downfall is
coming.
Yikes.
Proverbs 16, 9,
in their hearts, humans plan their
course, but the Lord establishes
their steps.
Doesn't say anything about laughing, but
the
Lord The Lord foils the plans
of the nations,
but the plans of the Lord stand
firm." For ever.
God...
Wait, hold on, chat.
Wasn't there
a
specific verse in the New
Testament that said
man
makes...
Like we'll
make this plan
day to day
if the Lord wills,
and then
says
something about God
laughing
at our plans.
There's got to be something like that
regularly.
So right,
right.
so Mr.
Sandman.
James 4.
E -E
-S
-V -ish wording.
Come now, you who say
today or tomorrow we will go
into such and such a place,
such a town and spend a
year there and trade and
make a profit.
Instead, you ought to say
if the Lord wills, we will
live and do this
or that.
And it continues,
as it is you
boast in your arrogance
in verse
16.
In New
Testament, wait.
So the New Testament
where James
is
what you just read,
that's if the Lord wills
part that we were thinking about.
And then Psalms 2 and
Psalms 37 is
where it says God laughs.
Okay, got it.
So we were combining stuff.
Yeah,
but you know,
it's God,
it's foolishness
is really what
it's saying.
He laughs at it because
we think that we're
so awesome
and amazing
and capable and
whatever.
When one, in reality,
God gave us
the strength,
the breath in our lungs
to be able to even
laugh at his plans
and to be able to
articulate anything.
And he's watching
us flail around and he's
like, hey, so like I gave
you like
what you need in order to
succeed.
Maybe try that
out.
Who knows?
Not that he's...
it's like So God's humor?
Huh?
We were talking about God's humor,
how often it's entertaining.
So bring it back.
Well, that's...
Because that was a big old tangent.
But it's to say that he
does...
Because there are points in the Bible
where it's like,
yes, this is
serious, but also
like
you're kind
of flailing
in front of
the God of creation who's giving
you a way out.
And in the same way
that it's kind of funny
that we can look back
and it's like,
I literally put my
hand on a pan
and like it hurt
and it sucked.
I was a child and
I look back at that and I kind of
laugh at it.
I'm like, that was stupid.
I was literally told, don't do
that.
And I was like,
well...
I did the same thing with
electrical outlets
and knives.
I did that twice.
Each time I said, ouch.
But it is...
So it's pointing to the
entertaining and the Word of God is
not boring and we
can look back at these things
knowing that God
is in control
and that His
control kind
of...
It's comical
at times.
But another entertaining
factor is we're about to get
into it, dude.
Yeah, we are.
Yeah.
With Noah.
So we've got Noah coming
up,
which is
fascinating to
me.
In about like 10
years, we'll get there.
Sure.
I've mapped out the episode
map
and it's like
we got
25 episodes
until -ish,
until we get to
Abraham.
And when you get to
Abraham, his name is
at first,
Abram.
And then we're going to take a little
break,
go to Ecclesiastes, I'm pretty
sure.
And then we'll come right
back to the
regularly
scheduled
Genesis
with
Abraham.
And then we'll
figure it out from there.
But what's And fascinating...
we might have some of the guests
in between that.
I really hope so.
Because as amazing
as we are,
there's some
fascinating people out
there too.
But what I'm saying is it
doesn't have to be
funny.
It can be fascinating as
in like the great
flood is
fascinating to
me.
Yeah.
Because I was raised
for a
portion of time as a homeschooler
and we would go on homeschool trips
and we would bring
a creation
scientist,
an archeologist who
has studied God's Word
and His creation
and specifically
the flood
and has
helped
this
young group of
kids tie the dots
together and
that the
Bible is history.
And the proof is that you
can find
shells
of sea,
like snails and stuff
everywhere.
You can find them on top of Mount
Everest.
If you've got the cojones
to go up there,
you can find them anywhere.
And it's
fascinating, man,
how you can dig
into
geological
and archaeological
history
and see the Bible.
You know what's crazy about that too?
I lived in
Texas for a few
years.
Oh, they've got
the
fossilized
dinosaur tracks
in a
riverbed with
human
feet
tracks
in the dinosaur
track
fossilized
together.
Dang.
That's crazy.
Which proves
that
man and dinosaurs
lived together at the same exact
time.
Wow.
Which is not what evolution
says,
even a little bit.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's
crazy.
And it's an exhibit.
It's a public exhibit.
And people go and visit all the time.
But the wild thing
is you'll read
these
signs that
they put up talking about
millions and billions of
years.
Like the thing that they're
exhibiting doesn't
disprove everything that they're talking
about.
Yeah.
Which is hilarious.
Mm -hmm.
But it's fascinating to
me
that
you can get real out
in the world and see
the Bible in
geology, in
archaeology.
You can see it
physically.
It's insanity that you can
see this.
You can see
God's
work
scattered
everywhere,
literally.
And this is going to be
fascinating because
I don't know if you guys
are going to be able to afford it, but I'm
going to
make it happen.
We're going to the Ark encounter.
Oh, yeah.
For this
portion of the podcast.
Which is in Arkansas.
Unfortunately, no, it's in
Kentucky.
Oh, Kentucky.
That's right.
Yeah.
So we're going to Kentucky
for the Ark
encounter, which is
basically
an
approximate
remake,
whatever you want to call it, of
the Ark.
And its
whole purpose is
to bring the Bible to life
and to explain something
that sounds so ridiculous
to
the
secular world
and
show them how it's not
ridiculous.
And here's how all
those animals would fit.
And here you can
walk through it and
visualize every single
thing and how it worked.
It's fascinating.
It is the epitome of
entertainment.
Yeah, that's crazy.
And not boring.
Not boring in the
least.
It's going to be so fun.
And I want to
bring
the podcast on
to see that
themselves.
Because it's
fascinating
stuff.
So that'd be awesome.
That point,
that's what we want you to learn over
time.
The Bible is fascinating.
And it's hard for
me to fall in love.
It has been hard for me to fall
in love with God's Word.
But that has been the easiest
part.
Sure.
That there's pieces,
bits and pieces of the Bible that
frustrate me to
no end because they're so
boring.
But that just means I
haven't paid enough attention.
I haven't found those hidden gems.
Even still, there's
these obvious gems
that are gems
no less.
And they are fascinating.
And so I want to drill into our
audience that that
is something that you can
hold onto.
And we'll do the work
with you.
We'll help
to
find these fascinating
gems
that are
ever present in
God's Word.
And hopefully what you can take
away is
you
can find these too.
Because we're no geniuses.
I do not have
education in this.
None of us do.
We'll probably bring people on
that do.
Yeah,
definitely.
Because
that
would just be awesome.
That would be genius in the room.
It'd be great.
But that's the
idea.
You don't have to be an
expert.
You don't have to be educated.
You don't have to be a genius to
find the
gems that got his head
in his work.
Yeah,
that's the idea.
Which brings us
to,
naturally,
target audience.
This show is for people
who
believe
but are tired,
doubt but are curious,
love God but don't
trust religious performance,
can laugh
without flinching
when truth gets
sharp.
Snaps for
sure.
I think you
can...
You know what?
humanity,
shout out to Hugh,
did a great job
at talking about
this in his
introduction.
And you know what?
He has a spot on
this pod.
Spot in our heart.
You hear that Hugh?
When When we get
enough technology...
technology to,
when we get enough money
to buy
technology to
make you into a robot, we
won't do it.
Okay.
We won't do it because we don't like him
that much.
And we don't want him on the podcast.
Go away, you.
But he deserves a spot in the
podcast.
He deserves it.
And I hope that he appreciates
that and he's not too bitter,
too salty.
He's just too good for us.
Positionally,
he is righteous.
But in our hearts and
minds, he is
evil.
Well,
maybe not evil.
I would just say he's not a good
hank.
He's not a hank.
We're friends.
So important.
Hugh is a
colleague.
Oh.
I don't know why
that's so cutting.
That's crazy.
Which leads us naturally,
actually, literally, into
the next portion, host
identity and dynamics.
Who is humanity as a
persona,
not biography,
function,
which is the result of chat
GPT.
Check out that.
That's a, no, it's not a hyphen.
What is it called?
Definitely hyphen.
Nope.
It's called a hyphen.
Nope.
That is the thing that is universally
known that GPT
puts out
called an M dash.
M dash.
Yeah.
Something that was used a long
time ago in literature.
Oh.
Long time ago.
M dash.
And then GPT was like, you know what?
That's my thing.
Hey, you know what's funny?
Nobody asked.
Shut up.
You put a hyphen.
That's wild.
Do you want to read this?
Me or Steven?
Whoever you is,
Steven can read it.
Oh, he put his monocular
down.
He doesn't want to read it.
I can hardly even
see it.
See it.
Because it's such an, at an angle.
I just realized that my belt
is not properly on.
No one asked.
A little awkward.
Gross, dude.
All right.
Hugh is a
former, former
disgraced
youth intern.
He was encouraged to find a
more fitting congregation
for the gifts that God
gave him.
AKA, he roasted the kids
way too much.
They cried a lot.
Parents were mad.
Enough said.
What does humanity
represent or
embody?
Humanity as
the fruity failures we
all are.
That just speaks for itself.
It does.
How do the
hosts differ
in perspective or
role?
Michael is dumb.
Daniel is dumber.
And Steven's blind.
But in reality.
Steven is laid back.
Well informed on
random topics, but
mostly about aquatics
and nature.
He's able to cut through the haze,
kicked up by the other two
hosts to really get to the
base topic and
take away.
Steven is the needed
support.
Yeah, he is.
Michael tends to be the
guide of topics.
He's the planner.
His perspective is
largely shaped by
his innate ability
to understand people
and the way they think about the
world around them.
Michael is the smart.
Ew.
Daniel is the
executor, tends
to lead the conversation
into the deeper
and more extreme
points of view.
He's able to come up with the
most random connections
on the spot.
And yeah,
enough said.
You've been listening to this podcast at
all.
You probably find this picture.
Number four, what
dynamics should always
be present between
hosts?
Fun, laughter,
camaraderie,
openness,
vulnerability,
chemistry,
and last but not least,
explosions of kittens.
Nothing else needs to be said.
Format and structural
rules.
We actually literally have kittens
on podcasts.
We do.
Even though Michael hates them.
Yeah, I don't like cats.
Format and structural rules.
This is the real fun stuff.
And by fun,
this is super fun.
Number one, ideal episode
length, minimum and maximum.
Minimum one hour 30 minutes.
I don't think we've ever done less than
that.
Buckle up folks.
It's a long one.
I don't think we've ever done less than
two
and a half hours, actually.
In fact, let's do a check -in.
Where are we at right now?
Sorry, two hours, 43 minutes.
Beautiful.
We're doing great.
I think we're doing a great job.
Maximum four hours.
So we have an hour and a half.
Fixed segments, if
any.
Intro,
life check -in,
humanity,
content warning.
There's also like the music.
Perfumed,
study of God's word,
decay, and then
news and or
notes and
outro.
Which I think we do pretty good.
Flexible or improvised
sections,
humanity.
He was off,
he was on vacation.
He needed some time off.
Yeah, the life check -in,
sometimes that ebbs and
flows.
That's not a proper usage of
that.
Content warning.
Constant warning?
Content warning.
Oh, okay.
We haven't had to do
that.
Except for this episode.
Except for this episode
in certain portions,
but there probably will be
episodes in the future that will.
There definitely will be especially
when we start talking.
about calling out in Gamora.
Oh, hey,
yeah, that's true
The news and our
notes.
Yeah, I mean
sometimes there's not always
no news.
No news.
No nudes
nudes
Okay There were
topics or behaviors
that are explicitly
off -limits
speaking of
news
Did we write that
we did write that oh
no
Oofing is that any
better on each
other's idea?
Serious way not a
bit.
Yeah, we don't want to
we don't want to
be
Judgmental towards each other's ideas
and like making
fun of each other
As long as
it's as long as
it's a bit it's cool I mean if
it's a bit and there's a serious on
their tongue not cool, bro Yeah,
we're not here to
disparage each other.
No, and
hopefully there will be
A reconciliation
if there is
everything.
Yeah,
that does happen that
yeah
hilariously vulgarity
Words or believe
them out.
I like that.
We have a customer in the one
above and then
yep
That's yeah, we'll work.
We don't we don't have
a lot of cuss words.
Mmm
but
Honestly, I'm not sure how
to cuss.
I don't think we've
You're the primary
suspect
Let's be
clear
Number five, that's for
operation versus
spontaneity is
expected.
This is 10
%
preparation for
real 20
% knowledge
gained
% concentrated
power of
dr.
Peppers flame
5 % puns
in the mix 50
% truth in the bit
and a hundred percent
reason we remember his
name Okay,
okay 10 % prep and the rest
of off the cuff
Responsibilities
Podcast prayer warrior
Steven
Editing episodes
Daniel
Creating clips
Daniel again
time stamping key
moments for clips Steven
Time -stamping
cuss words for
bleeping even
Who
is
responsible for the final episode
approval two -thirds
vote or whoever
edits it
Handles publishing
Daniel who handles
scheduling Michael
who that's
me
Michaelle sorry
who manages
social media
posting Michael?
Daniel and Steven is
back up
Why is Hugh on
there?
Because he was gonna do it automatically.
No because he has his own
social.
He's supposed to have his own
social Not yet.
Not yet.
A lot of these things aren't we haven't
actually flux their influx
who moderates
community spaces
me
Hugh Daniel and
Steven as backup Hugh
is honestly gonna be there to
roast the heck
out of you.
Yeah
Because you need to be rested
checking
responding to
emails me
takes questions
Daniel takes ideas
Steven checks to
keep up with the fan
sentiments.
Mmm, which there's no
sentiment level So
water is
not rising what
happens if the task
is missed
fumbled
Depends on the task high
priority fix
ASAP.
Mm -hmm apologies
is needed needed low
priority apologies
Residual
residual audience
relationship
and feedback
So this is gonna
be great for the
listeners who are like, what do I
like?
How do we do the thing?
How do we how do we talk?
How do how
do we talk
When we don't have any
it's not like it's not like
communication with God like we
don't you don't
read his words You don't pray
to us Pray
to us and you don't read our
words and
think oh, they're
communicating with us.
Mmm.
Oh wait Maybe
sometimes sometimes
yeah, but they don't read them,
but we don't yeah, and it's
not it's not scripture It's not
it is canon, but
it's not it's not scripture.
How is it cannon
cannon?
Is it can into the pot?
Canon as in like
it's real like it's
part of the the real.
Yeah.
Okay, that happens
Okay, it's not part of
the Canada scripture though.
Yeah, no it but
it's can into the pot.
Okay.
Yeah cool can into the
real can
Real as an re
e L or
real as an re
al
al
Ale so
good.
Oh, they'll oh
he's not drinking anymore
guys So
how
can listeners submit questions
where it is?
Hmm,
I would say that they're encouraged
to submit those on the website
Wow non
-existent website
What if they do this on
a social media plattie?
well, if they do
this on a social media
plattie daddy Hugh will
softly roast them and
For the queue or
DIA to daddy's
maker via
email.
Mmm.
And what is that email
though is not
spelled correctly in
there.
PerfumDK.
So bad.
There we
go.
There we go.
I can't see my keyboard.
PerfumDK at
gmail .com.
That is P -E -R -F
-U -M -E dot
D dot
E -C -A -Y
at gmail
.com.
Will audience
feedback be addressed on
air?
Only on half -breed episodes.
What are half -breed episodes?
Point fives, dog.
Dude, point
fives that
we've partially agreed are going
to be on...
The Patreon.
The Patreon when we
have that.
So be watching that for now.
What kind of advice will
influence future
episodes?
Good advice.
Good advice.
What constitutes good advice?
Majority vote.
If it makes sense for the Constitution
of the show.
The show
constitution can be
amended if needed.
So if you have good advice,
constructive criticism, why
is my light
red
on my
cami?
I don't know.
Let me check.
Why is Jimmy red?
Why is she doing this?
You look fine to me.
Does it show me?
Yeah.
Does it show me?
So focused on himself.
Why is it red?
Of course.
Okay.
Doesn't matter.
Yeah, half -breed.
Oh, sorry.
I'm way back.
Whoops.
Yeah.
I put it
as constructive...
Criticisms.
Criticisms.
You know, we're here to
edify
and...
Constructive is a...
We should be willing to
change
as
imperfect
humans.
Speak for yourself.
And...
Okay.
Yeah.
No, Daniel is perfect.
No, no,
Look at that hair.
Okay.
Whoa.
Thank you, man.
Yeah.
If he had the beard, be he'd No, perfect.
I was just saying you should say you're
imperfect,
and I...
Yeah, I'm imperfect as well.
But you shouldn't say I'm imperfect.
I shouldn't say it.
No.
But I can think it.
No.
Okay.
What feedback will be
acknowledged but not
acted on?
Religious?
Spiritual corrections?
Comments?
Rage baits?
Cairns?
Apparently there's a new name for
cairns.
Oh.
Let me think if I...
Who is she?
Let me think.
Is she cute?
I don't think so.
Is she young?
I think the name is young.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'll think about it.
We'll come back to it.
Content, reuse, and
distribution?
What content is
extracted from each episode,
dog?
Wow moments.
What does that mean?
Moments that are...
We have
an epiphany
is mostly what it's
going to be.
Or when it's when we're talking about
something
that's like, Whoa, dude.
Wow.
That's so cool.
When we
go to the
ark encounter, we're going to have a lot
of
those.
Our brain's going to
explode.
It's going to be wow moments for
days.
Mind blowing bits,
which is in the same...
About the same thing.
But like a bit where it's
like, all right, dude.
Yeah.
That was pretty tight.
Yeah.
That was good.
Compelling explanations.
Oh.
So...
Like my little...
When you say something really
cool...
When I say something, what about everybody
else?
Nobody speaks on this
podcast.
Awesome observations.
Sounds like Kevin's job.
So when I see
things...
Whoa.
Stephen sees things.
When Stephen sees
things...
The only things he sees.
The only things he can see.
You know, if you think about
it...
You just keep twisting that knife in
your back.
Why don't you?
If you think about it, he sees the
most hilarious
moments, like what
we just did.
He writes
excerpts.
What are excerpts?
Excerpts...
I would hope you
know, because it's you and you.
Yeah, it's you and you.
You,
you.
Excerpts are
extra...
Little ditties.
They're written content
for the
pod that relate
to the pod.
Little takeaways.
Little takeaways.
Possibly a little Bible study.
Maybe summaries.
Okay.
Sometimes Bible studies.
Right.
I mean, it's really...
It's Twitter.
It's, you know, it's up to the writer.
As the author...
You reserve the right...
...and perfecter...
God?
Does that
sound...
sacrilege?
No, we don't do that.
Who creates clips?
Me.
So do you have like a factory that
you do this in?
I do.
I have a factory
in China
and...
Grandma works there.
Yeah.
Well, we had to put up netting
because Grandma
was trying to jump the other day.
That's dark.
I don't know.
On the trampoline.
Oh,
yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah,
yeah, yeah.
She's jumping on the trampoline and
it's really dangerous because she could
break
a hip.
And what's interesting...
She could probably break the hip
if she was just jumping.
Honestly.
Yeah.
Maybe we should take away the trampoline.
So So maybe you need like one
of those,
like, you need to have her like strapped
in so that she can down
bounce,
bounce
properly
without falling without
falling about the possibility.
Because if she if she falls,
she'll get her but if
she's bouncing, she, you know,
you know, right.
Where
is long
form audio
content
published?
Apple podcast and Spotify.
Yeah, and that's supposed to
start today.
Today,
today,
today,
tonight.
Where is long
form video content
published?
YouTube.
Which you are currently
listening to.
Yep, congratulations.
Twitch.
Twitch.
Twitter.
Facebook.
And our
website.
When is up.
Where is short form video
content published?
YouTube shorts, Twitter,
Facebook,
Instagram, and TikTok.
TikTok.
Beautiful.
I can scroll to.
Where?
Oh, and Spotify.
I forgot they have reels now.
Oh, yeah.
Crazy, right?
It's just gonna be its own
platform.
No one is gonna be
like crickets.
Wait, that was a bird.
I can't do that.
Where is long form
written content published?
The website,
sub stack, medium,
and the email list.
And or the email
list.
This is up to the
writer.
That's true.
The author and perfect.
Oh, gosh.
Where is bonus
content published?
All to
Patreon.
Patreon.
Some to low
performing socials.
Yep.
And email lists.
Because we want you to be there.
Be on the lookout for the low
performers.
We care about them too.
Like TikTok.
Like it do.
And Spotify.
Yeah.
What cadence is
realistic for reused
content?
Every year.
And only if it's
relevant and high performing.
Brand visuals and merch.
This is where our
genius
really shows.
What emotions
should the brand visuals
evoke?
Chuckles.
Nostalgia.
Okay.
Boomer.
80s.
Green.
Masculine.
Cringe.
But as an inside joke.
I was
waiting for you, dog.
I did not know what you were doing.
I thought you were doing something.
Did you find?
So stupid.
We're good.
We're on drugs.
So in all
of these things to some degree
are
shown in
our logo.
Yep.
What visual themes are consistent
across platforms?
Logo.
Religious, dark, light,
dead flowers,
graveyard,
black clothes.
No, I like what you're doing.
It was fun.
Back and forth?
Yeah.
Well, no, it wasn't back and forth.
Like you were.
Answering.
Yeah.
I was
reading and you were
popping in.
It was like a harmony.
Religious, dark, light,
dead flowers, graveyard,
black roses, pink, green,
perfume, sweet, decay,
sour, disgusting, rustic
nature combined with
steam, punk,
80s, retro,
nature as rustic.
Cyberpunk.
Bible.
Beauty, finesse, detail,
solid, unbreakable,
gold,
precious stones.
And if you've seen
our logo that we are currently
using.
Yep.
All of that is kind of a funny note.
What merch ideas align
with the show's philosophy?
Bible bookmarks.
Yeah, they do.
Grandma's knitted toe socks.
Can you explain those to me?
So in the
beginning.
God created the heavens and earth.
There's the fall.
And
there
was a separate
garden.
The opposite of Eden, if
you will.
And there was this
monkey
who was
knitting.
And it
made,
for whatever
ungodly reason,
it knitted
toe socks.
Now you may be thinking
of.
Like those socks that you wear
that have those like
separation.
Yeah, that's not what
we're talking about.
We're talking about individual
socks per toe.
each For toe.
And they're knitted.
Yes.
And probably one
of the most horrendous things you can
ever think of in your life.
You're welcome.
And also,
let me be clear.
Actually, I'm not clear on this.
I'm pretty sure I didn't come up
with that.
Grandma did.
Grandma did.
Who works in.
A sweatshop.
In a trampoline for some reason.
Right.
And he's a harness.
Not at the window.
Shirts.
Not tees.
Button ups.
Or high quality pattern
shirts.
Heck yeah, dude.
Quilt shirts.
Jesus.
Jesus just wants.
Okay.
Let me.
No.
Let me actually.
Let Let me be Let me be
clear.
This is, this is, this should - I need
some
clarity.
This is in the Bible.
Yeah.
Okay.
Let me make this very
clear.
Jesus just wants to throw
ragers in his
father's house.
Yeah.
So just believe.
Honestly.
And if you don't believe that,
I don't know.
You're a loser.
You're a loser.
You don't know anything, do you?
Well, to be clear, these are going to
be T -shirt designs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So shirts, not T's, button
ups or high quality pattern
shirts with
Jesus just wants to
throw ragers in his
father's house.
So just believe.
Imagine.
What is the next one, sir?
Lots of uppers,
lots of downers and
everything else.
For a logo,
I want a hat,
just one hat.
We got hats down on the
list.
Okay.
Oh yeah.
Congratulations, Stephen.
Don't you worry.
Oh,
you're good, huh?
Back up shirt.
Shut up.
No one is good.
That one was yours.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was definitely mine.
Oh, good one.
Cause look, here's the
thing.
We don't, we, we,
we end up talking very
seriously, but
you can tell we
don't take ourselves.
That's our, no, we
don't.
Definition of testel.
Yes.
That's how you say it.
To, to, to, to
Telestai.
Nope.
Close.
To Telestai.
There you go.
Yeah.
Just enough said, to
Telestai.
Actually not enough said.
What does the Telestai mean?
Stephen, you remember?
No.
Shut up, Michael.
It's okay.
I heard your lips
smack like you're about to talk.
Is this what it sounds
like?
To Telestai
means it
is finished.
It is finished.
Look up.
Not Jeremy Passion.
What is his name?
Shut up.
I can't believe his name.
It's a good song.
It's called It Is Finished.
Yeah.
By this one guy.
Shout out to this one guy.
Jimmy Needham.
There we go.
Great song.
Anyways.
I've heard that.
You're such a brand name.
Can you explain
what your such is?
So your such is
supposed
to be like this
high class,
high dollar item
where
it's
decent t -shirts,
but they're delivered
in a pill.
And so you got to pop that pill
open
and you've got your shirt.
And it's a custom design
limited
edition
and they're flags
essentially.
So you'll get your
shirt.
It'll be an experience.
You pop that pill open
and
you got yourself your
flag T.
It's one of
X number
of T's in the
world and
it's yours.
And
the brand name
is called your such a
because it comes in a pill.
So you'll have that to look forward
to.
You'll see the tag that you cut
off of the T.
It'll say that it's your such
a dot, dot,
dot.
Wow.
It's a spectacular
idea.
It's a lot to swallow.
Yes.
Sweaters from Gee
Ma's sweatshop.
Not grandma's.
This is a separate sweatshop.
Yeah.
Separate person.
Yeah.
It's your grandma.
Yeah.
Make grandma?
I'm confused.
Your grandma.
Oh,
your grandma.
Yeah.
I'm so confused.
So it's sweaters.
Yeah.
From Gee Ma's sweatshop.
And aside
from
that,
to get serious.
This is a bit.
But we're
serious.
We're probably gonna have
sweaters talking about
grandma sweatshop.
Yeah.
And it's gonna be amazing.
Yeah.
So we're gonna have brands
within brand.
Yeah.
Within perfume decay.
Yeah.
This is the decayed line.
It's gonna be amazing.
Along with the, you're such a,
that's gonna be part of the decayed line.
Yeah.
Think about Justin
Bieber's song, Holy.
That's all you need to think about.
Sweats,
socks,
actual socks, not toe socks.
Hats.
Yeah, toe socks.
No books, Bible
covers, pens, temporary
tats.
Stickers.
Stickers down.
Phone cases.
Collognees.
Collognees.
Collognees and
perfumes.
Ascent to die
for.
Yep.
That's what the lines can be called.
Yeah.
Avar, collognees and
perfumes.
Collones and perfumes, dog.
I'm not a dog.
Lyric slash poem
book that plays the
song when flipping to
the page, like
one of those birthday cards.
Ooh, I just had another idea.
That'd be awesome.
An actual
birthday card that
plays the verse but
will not shut
up.
Ooh.
Yeah.
You have to tear it
apart.
You have apart.
it tear to
We If we can waterproof it so
you can't even like hold it underwater.
We're trying to make sure that people
hate us.
No, we got to make sure that people
get the word of God,
whether they want it or
not.
And the line of these cards
is called shove it down your
throat.
Even if you break it, it
still works about.
Great technological
ingenuity, but
also...
Applied in the worst possible way.
Like,
how do they come with the technology
nobody else has?
Is merch symbolic,
practical, or both?
The answer is yes.
Legal ownership and
boundaries.
Who owns the podcast?
Well, it's grandma,
but she doesn't know
because she's too
busy in the
sweatshop.
She is blind, lame,
and has dementia.
Just kidding.
Parentheses, JK.
Yo mama.
Yo mama.
Just kidding.
Sorry,
parentheses, JK.
And for realsies,
Daniel,
40%.
Why?
Because he does all the work.
Michael, 30%.
Steven, 30%.
Parentheses, no JK.
Mama made us do that.
Mama made us do that.
She said, get rid of
grandma and mama.
Because this
is a binding document,
dog.
And we were like, mom, you're
a loser.
You know what I love?
The dichotomy between
absolutely
rude Daddy
Hugh,
and then very
systematic
and
serious
mama GPT.
Mama chat.
Yeah.
You know what I want in the future?
I want to clash between the two.
I want
a Patreon
podcast episode of them
hashing it out.
Like, she's ripping him a new
one, and he's roasting
her.
Yeah.
I love it.
Beautiful.
I love it.
How is revenue, if any,
split?
70 % of costs and
leftovers donated.
30 % to hosts by
thirds.
If part -time,
if hosts become full -time,
this will be renegotiated
with a realistic living
wage in mind if
possible.
Which would be great.
Let's be clear about this.
We're not here to make money,
but it'd be really cool
if we did make money.
And then we could put so much more effort
into this.
Yeah.
I mean, we could
actually execute all the things that we
want to do,
and so
much more.
And this podcast
isn't the end
of our ideas.
We have so many
projects that we could probably come up
with and actually do.
And even personal projects
that maybe we've already been working
on and can
just add to
this
whole
thing.
Conclamorate.
This corporation.
Yeah.
This
evil
corporation.
Oh.
All corporations are evil,
don't you know?
That's in the Bible.
What disclaimers are
required
if there's
advice during a half -breed
episode?
Ooh.
Why?
Because we're not advisors.
Yeah.
We're not pros here.
This is advice.
Take it with a grain of salt.
And pepper.
Pepper.
Pepper, dog.
Pepper.
Sensitive topics
like...
Sex.
Pornography.
And things like that.
We don't want to...
We don't want to bust that out
without you
knowing it's happening.
Yeah.
For sure.
We don't want...
Yeah.
We don't want innocent children ears
or innocent ears
in general.
Innocent...
Or sensitive ears.
Corgi ears.
Yeah.
To hear...
Corgi ears?
Yeah, Corgi ears.
You've seen those Corgis?
They look so innocent.
That's right.
Yeah.
We don't want
to ruin those
innocent ears.
What a reference.
Thank you.
Shout Joe.
out to That's what we should call our fans
Corgi ears.
Oh.
That's for no reason.
What about just Corgis?
Corgis.
Yeah.
That would make no sense.
It wouldn't.
But like an aside
joke kind of way.
We do need a name for our
audience.
I think Corgi's pretty good.
Let us know in the
comments if you want to be on Corgi's...
We can't decide
for you.
It's just rude.
That's true.
That's true.
The fans...
We don't...
We can't...
We're not your mom and dad.
Yeah.
What happens if a host
exits the
project?
We discuss the exit strategy.
True.
No gossip or
defamation.
Forfeiture of future
monetary gains from
the past content and work done.
And an announcement
to you guys.
Yeah.
Because we're trying to do
it right.
Yeah.
And we want this to
be out there for the long
haul.
And we
needed
to add this because unfortunately
things happen.
So we don't
plan on it.
But if we don't plan on it,
it's going to be bad.
Speaking of planning.
Sustainability and failure
planning.
What is the minimum
viable a viable
episode?
Oh,
no repeating
of topics unless
we have a new take.
Episodes under the
ideal length are
exceptions,
not the standard.
Meaning an hour and a half.
Yeah.
Imagine if we had an episode
that was less than an hour and a half.
We technically do right now.
Do we?
Yeah.
Where?
The one we made last night.
Oh, yeah, that's fair.
That was that was a half breed.
That was but that
wasn't.
Well, it kind of turned into like
a it was a
whole bunch of mic tests.
Yeah.
Because we were having problems with the
camera.
Yeah.
And it was just us repeating the same
thing over and over.
It was awesome.
We're drugged.
Yeah.
We're drugged.
Did it for.
I still don't know what that means.
Yeah, that's fine.
Yes.
Neither does Stephen.
I was not there.
Had to be there.
An explanation for
failure to post a
promise episode.
Yeah.
What happens if
one host needs
break?
What kind of break like a potty break?
No, more like they
just they just
they got too much going
on.
They need to leave.
They have some money.
They're on vacation,
maybe.
OK.
Well, I would say
we should keep recording
without that host.
Yeah.
And actually
allow
for reason believe and ability
to rejoin if
amicable.
That's a weird way to see that word.
Do you talk like that?
I should.
I love that word amicable.
Yeah.
Language, but the language of origin.
I don't know what it means.
I mean, I have an idea,
but I don't know what it
means amicable.
Just means like you're chummy.
You're chill.
If things are chill.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you're still applicable.
Kind of does.
Yeah.
It might be applicable.
How often do
you reassess the
show?
Quarterly dog.
Yeah.
We're actually coming up on that.
Yeah.
But technically
because
we're.
We said early on, we
don't.
Yeah.
Well, remember,
wasn't December
November.
We missed our quarter.
Actually, no, we wrote this on the
quarter.
Yeah.
So November,
December,
January.
So maybe we reassess
in June.
February.
What?
Yeah.
No,
February.
Well, because
April, I think it'd be
better if we
did it.
In like the quarter
of the actual 12
months of the year.
So then our next one is in April.
No, because I'm saying like
January is the
first.
March is the third.
No, March is part
of the first.
The end of March.
No, no,
I mean, I mean, first month,
February, second month and then March
the third month.
So that's the first quarter.
Yep.
So then the next.
The next.
So technically we're kind of
in the middle there, so that.
So we already did the first quarter
because we did this.
Right.
So then we would have to reassess
in June.
No.
Yes.
No.
Yes.
In April.
Yes.
I'm just kidding.
No, in April.
To reassess.
Analytics,
topics, emerge
design.
I like making your heartbeat
quickly.
It's like, do I have to explain that?
Making you mad.
Dummy.
I'm not a dummy.
Still out to
reassess analytics,
topics, merge
design,
direction, quality,
audience goals,
likes, dislikes, themes
or
passion for the
project slash desire
to continue.
That's right.
Every quarter we're going to discuss.
Do we want to quit?
And the answer will always
be maybe.
Yes.
What would a healthy pause
look like?
Six months,
max or
during holiday weeks?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Spring break.
We can take breaks too sometimes.
Christmas break.
Yeah.
Easter break.
Spring break baby.
We got to go to Florida.
Fourth of July.
Sure, that is your birthday.
Dox.
Well,
third of July.
Yeah.
Dox.
Which we'll be going
to.
Tennessee.
Utah.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
That's the Josh Groban show.
Yeah.
That's going to be crazy.
How is conflict
resolution handled?
Well, isn't.
Let's continue.
No testers.
We actually we sit with
it.
We think about it.
We ruminate on it.
We grow in hatred.
And then the knives come out.
I go and I
punch
specifically
Daniel.
In the throat.
In the throat.
Dude, I love throat
punches.
It is so funny.
It's all like crunches.
Like that's hilarious to me.
For some reason.
That's like the peak of
of comedy.
Oh, no.
Throat punch.
Or maybe we should
have an actual.
There was literally one time where I was
crying,
laughing
because of the idea of a
curb.
So you have I don't hatred
in your heart.
And you need to deal with that
and And we should deal
with.
disagreements.
No, it's not hatred.
It's just funny.
No, it's not.
Discreements are addressed
privately first, as
they should be.
Unresolved disputes
default to
the show's purpose and
core promise, not
personal preference.
Yeah, and this is specifically
around disagreements
in the podcast
and its
direction, whatever we're
doing.
Yeah,
and I mean, ultimately,
what we seek
to
do on
the podcast
is
reflect Christ.
And so,
as
we continue with this,
it seems more and more
that this is part of
our own purpose,
our own personal
desire.
And
our disagreements
should be more
focused on, well, what
does God want?
Yeah.
We're imperfect,
so that's not necessarily gonna happen,
but,
you know.
That's where the small claims court
comes in.
Yeah,
totally.
Such a waste of time.
Thank you.
Long -term arc and
evolution,
because we believe in
evolution on this podcast,
especially of episodes,
what should be different by
episode 50?
Well, thank you for asking, Michael,
very much.
I was thinking systematic
episode design,
structure and flow.
Did you have any other thoughts?
No.
Most of the hard -knitted
processes to
produce the show.
Oh.
For sure.
What about consistent social
interactions and postings?
That's a great idea.
Cool.
We sure as I don't.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe regular merch drops.
That's pretty good.
I think I have a better one, though.
More regular guest appearances.
Dude,
more than just my sister's, what you're
saying?
Right.
Which we're kinda thinking about.
I'm kinda thinking about
having her be a permanent partner.
So we'd have to get a fifth mic here.
We'd have to get the fifth mic, but
we wanna call -
Ooh, we could call those episodes
fifth mic.
I'm loving it.
Yeah.
That's McDonald's.
Send us money so that we
can update this.
Set up.
Not that we need
money to be sent to
us because we're rich,
but send us money so
we can switch out this
input
thingy.
Oh yeah, we need a new
- So that we can
have more people on the pod.
A new sound board.
And also send us money so that
we can upgrade our
-
Set up.
So that we can move,
I should say,
to - To a studio.
And set it up the way that we actually
want it.
In tracking - And the money will
be used wisely.
It will.
We're setting up the studio so it
can be used by multiple podcasts.
Yes.
Podcasts,
singers, we wanna have like an actual
full -on studio.
Studio, yeah.
And that
it
will be cheaper than
a regular studio to
promote
creative
people
that are more
aligned to
the mission that
Perfume Decay
is
on.
But it still
will charge.
And thus,
this is why I'm saying it's a,
like we'll steward that money well.
It will come back
tenfold.
And probably, I mean,
depending.
Especially starting off, it'll be more
word of mouth.
But if,
in the future, you know, maybe we'll
get an actual like
full -on studio
space and
do that.
But yeah, I mean, we're,
again, we have creative ideas.
We have lots of things that we would love
to
do.
And we would love to
facilitate other people
doing that.
Because it's been
facilitated for us.
We wanna open that up for others.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
So interacting with
Christianity in the world,
we already talked about it, our encounter.
Yes, sir.
Awesome.
Yeah, local church spotlights.
Dude, external podcast
collabs.
Bro, a day with Ray
Comfort.
Dude,
touring with, touring the
natural world with a
perspective of the Bible,
creation, scientist,
guys.
Dude,
so tight.
Let me tell you, if we could
actually do that one
thing.
We can.
We've made it.
Imagine doing like the Rick Steves Europe,
but of creation science.
And not just Europe.
Bro.
I wanna go to Antarctica,
because there's no bears.
What if we went to Israel?
I'd be so down.
My grandpa, my
grandpa got back
from Israel.
Yeah.
Like during the war,
obviously.
Just a little while ago.
Wow.
And
he
said it was awesome.
I hear it's life -changing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like,
that'd be awesome.
How might the format evolve
without losing identity?
Maybe our chemistry and
playfulness.
Is a must.
Is it?
Yeah.
It's pretty musty.
Musty.
Gross.
Our focus on
God's Word has
to be core to
perfume.
Yeah, yeah.
And this will help us not
lose our identity.
Like the segment structure
and their scripts
that could change over time.
What does success
look like one
year in?
Having any kind of
audience.
Because right now, what's a kind
of— have We a total of—
Two views.
Whoa!
And no current
watchers.
I betcha.
Those are me and Steve.
Those are us.
Because we love watching ourselves.
Well, last week we had
a watcher
who— We did.
Who— A Corgi.
A Corgi.
That's their names until they choose a new
one.
Yeah, that's so true.
We had a Corgi.
If there's no audience, they can't
choose.
So thus—
Default to us.
They're Corgis.
So we had a
single Corgi last time.
Yeah.
Which actually—
is Which great.
got We multiple comments.
Yeah.
It was pretty awesome.
Yeah, from the same Corgi.
Yeah.
It was wonderful.
Yeah.
Pretty cool.
Yeah.
Getting feedback.
Having one super fan.
Yep, one super Corgi.
Consistent— Oh, having
any kind of
good impact.
Not just any kind of
good impact.
Consistency.
Meaning tied to
the gospel and its reach.
Right.
God impact.
God impact.
Yeah.
The root word of good
is God.
Maybe.
Is consistency
and
less technical glitches.
We're almost there.
We're getting there.
What would make— So actually,
going back to that.
Success for us
is not—
We already said it, money.
It's not
a
huge reach.
It's not fame.
It's not
anything
other than just
us living
the life that God
wants us to.
As best we can.
As best as we can
through
this— With integrity.
Yeah.
Literally as best we can.
Not just being lazy
and getting
by,
putting in the effort
to live with
the talents and the opportunities
that he's given us as
best we can.
Which should just be reflected
in our lives.
And again, this is
us trying to be
honest.
Bye, Stephen.
Bye, Stephen.
Bye, See Stephen.
you on the other side.
Hope you find your dad.
Hope you
find your dad.
But no, this is
us.
We want to
be
honest with where we're at.
If we don't have an
audience, that's not going
to stop us.
If we
reach one person and
it has a God
impact, a good impact
on them,
that's enough.
That's success.
Stephen out.
He's trying to get out.
You got to pull the thing
out.
There you go.
Number four.
Push the two
thongs.
Yeah, yeah.
Number four.
What would make you proud of this
project, even if
it ends?
Nothing.
You know why?
It could end right
now and I would be
proud of it.
And you know,
we have a lot of fun.
Maybe too much.
Maybe too much sometimes,
especially in that episode
last night.
Oh my gosh.
Ridiculous.
But
you
know, what we're proud
of
is
really the
impact that it's already made, which is
on us.
And you know.
I've
had some
people, well,
I've
had people listen.
And you know,
even,
I don't know, like that's
exciting.
For me, this is the year of
execution.
So it's like, I'm
actually doing the
things.
And in my mind, I'm not
like doing these things.
I'm like, oh, I'm so awesome.
I'm so great.
It's like,
I'm
doing it empowered
by the Holy Spirit,
by the grace of God.
That's where you can.
With the
people
that God has put in my life.
And you know,
I am proud of
that in
the sense that
I'm
glad and I'm
thankful and
I'm overjoyed by the fact
that I
have
God
in my life,
in control,
sovereign over it, and
giving me these opportunities.
It's huge.
It's exciting.
Yeah, it's awesome.
And if we
can't
be proud of it now,
we'll never be proud of it.
This is a
defining moment
in
the lives that God has given to
us.
Even if it ends right
now.
Yeah, if we stopped
right
now.
That's okay.
If we stopped right
now,
yeah, we could go on with the rest of our
lives
and look
back and say,
that was worth it.
Yeah.
That was God.
Stephen's maybe proud.
Well, we're gonna take him out back
and, you know, show him what maybe means.
By the way...
I don't know what that means.
By the way, this is
important for all
the goofs and craziness.
Oh, right.
Yeah.
Our freaking
nagging
mommy
GPT told
us we had to say
this.
Humor in this document reflects tone,
not legal standing.
Shake my head and
this...
Public controversy is addressed calmly,
briefly, and without escalation
or social media
pylons.
Hey,
mommy GPT.
Shut up.
Shut up, but also?
Fine.
Thanks.
Hey, GPT.
Yeah.
Thanks.
You're welcome.
This has been...
A pod.
A podcast, episode
10,
Constitution.
Yeah.
On,
And...
Yeah.
Did a five.
And...
Word on drugs.
Had
to
be there.
This has been
an important
pivotal episode
in
all of its
glory.
I'm so excited.
And
next
episode, we will continue
going over Genesis.
We'll continue doing all the things.
I'm hoping to get more people
on the pod.
I already have some lined up that
I've, that I've contacted.
I was like, just today, I was like,
hey, you want to be on the podcast?
Yeah.
And I'm like, sure.
You want to throw the name on?
No, not yet.
I want them,
I want it to be a surprise.
Surprise, even to me.
Yeah.
Dang, dude.
Yeah.
It's gonna be awesome.
All right.
I know my mom
wants to be on.
I'm sure my dad.
You want to be on at some point?
Really, just anybody.
Because...
People are interesting.
God has
created
each one of
us
unique.
And given us unique opportunities,
experiences,
points of view.
We can learn from each
other.
And those who are in
Christ, we can learn from.
Those who are outside
of
God's
covenant people, we can also learn
from.
Mm -hmm.
To be
better
Christians, really.
Yeah.
To be able to talk to them.
And I hope at some point we can get
people like that on.
They'd probably be really uncomfortable,
but...
Maybe.
Who knows?
But here's the thing.
If you have comments,
questions...
Keep them to yourself.
Go away.
We don't like you.
We don't care.
No, I'm just kidding.
But we would love to
hear all of it.
Send it
to
the places that it is available,
to send things, which is just YouTube
right now.
And in the future it'll be
website.
And that's going to be
it, because we want it to be
through one place.
And if you don't do that,
then at some point
humanity will be roasting
you.
So look forward to that.
We hope that you've been edified,
entertained.
We hope that
you
understand,
based off of this,
a little better, why we're doing
this.
We try to rehash this
actually,
consistently.
Not each
individual piece, but
on
each episode, we're
talking about
who we are, why
we're doing this.
And we're
trying to reflect that.
And so if we're not reflecting it,
not reflecting what
our Constitution
says...
Call us out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Please.
And
we need
correction.
We need the Word of God to correct
us.
We need to be convicted for
our sins.
We're not perfect.
Whoa, dude.
I'm not perfect.
Sorry, I'm not perfect.
There you go.
Stephen's perfect.
We can say that on...
His face.
And yeah,
so
would
one of you
like
to pry us out?
Yeah, doc.
I'd love to.
Let's do it.
But Stephen, I've been praying a lot.
Do you want to pray?
I'll give you an op.
Sure.
Tight.
Might as well.
Yeah, let's do it.
Since I've been a chartered prayer stuff.
That's true.
The prayer of warrior.
So far.
Yeah.
All right.
Gonna take my hat off then.
There you go.
All right.
Dear Lord,
thank you for this episode.
It's
interesting
to
go back even through
the,
I guess, the contract that we
have with each other.
And the podcast.
I remember
making it,
but it's always good
to look back on something.
Even your word
in
different ways.
ways.
I hope that
the
audience
themselves,
I don't even
want to call them
corgis,
but
I'm going say that.
to Stay with your full chest.
Just purr, guys.
But the
people, I hope they
get a lot out
of it,
especially from
the last episodes
that we've done
and to the ones
that
we will be
doing,
different
perspectives.
And I still
hope that
whoever
does watch this gets a lot
out of it
into our
own perspectives,
into what we think the Bible
is.
And especially since
it is always better
to have people
to go over stuff
with,
even do stuff with,
in certain scenarios,
rather than
doing it
alone.
Most of the time,
I hear that a lot of
people burn themselves out,
even going through the Bible alone.
So
I
hope that continues.
And I hope
that
this podcast
grows
in
many different ways,
and especially
people
saying that,
and being enlightened
by it.
So that's
all I have
for it.
Amen.
All right.
Good stuff.
Episode 10.
Episode 10.
See you next time.
On episode 11.
Deuces!
Bye!
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