Rest in Reality (Genesis 2) | PD2

Daniel Horne: Your height. Do you need... The notes are basically, we're in Genesis 2, 1 through 3. We're focusing on the concept of rest. Yeah. And then decay is, does God exist? That's a deep decay. We're live by the way. we live right now? live right now. Okay. How's it going guys? As you can tell, we've got a whole new setup. Yeah. Do you want say anything about that? Or just move on? We're supposed to be doing just the cold open. All right guys. And this is about as cold as it's ever gonna get. think we it a lukewarm open. Whatever man. Your face is super We're just gonna spit it out, but not in the bad sense. Please don't spit. It's like a llama. know? A llama? So. He's supposed to be dead! Sorry. So we're supposed to be answering a question from last week. Yes, we are. You remember what that question was? The question was, is Jesus the light of the world? Sure. No, it's how close does... the sun or we, the earth? I think you'd be better at answering this question. Okay. Yeah. The question was how close to the sun does the earth have to be for human life to end and how far away from the sun do you have to be for human life to end? Yeah. Right. And the reason we brought it up is I think you brought it up because you were talking about how the fine tuning. Yeah, the fine tuning of God creating the earth. Yeah. And if it was just a little bit off. And that made me think, I've heard that so many times and I'm not sure if it's like a foot or if it's like, maybe like a football field. Right. What's the actual habitable zone? Right. And we tried looking it up and then we realized this is great. Let's use this next time. Right. Right. So here's the answer. How close can you get to the sun? Closer than you think. Right. So this article says from the BBC, it says that, it's the conclusion. I'm not going to read the whole thing. Okay. That means the earth would become uninhabitable if its average distance from the sun was reduced by as little as 1.5 million kilometers, which is only about four times the moon's distance from the earth. Only. That's a lot. That's a That's a lot. Right. I was kind of disappointed by that. So does fine tuning stand up? face that? I don't know. All right. have a follow-up question. So if it's four times away, four times the distance from the moon, well, hold on, from earth to the moon, four times that. So we'd have to be four times closer to boil. How far away is the sun? I should know this off the top of my head. 93 million miles or 150 million kilometers from earth. So. If it's 1.5 million kilometers and the sun is 150 million kilometers, let's go percentage wise. Such a nerd. right. Yeah, you are. Thanks, dude. All right. So hold on. I have to do 1.5 first. 1.5 divided by right. 150. It's 0.01. So it's kind of. It has to be kind of fine tuned. If it's 1 % closer. Yeah. If we're 1 % closer, we're dead. But that's a lot. Right? Yeah. And then I was not very satisfied with the answers that people work up with. I went onto this blog here, some guy that created the program, ⁓ that could make this calculation. And he said, ⁓ it doesn't take into account. the atmosphere and all the variables. just takes in consideration the heat. ⁓ huh. Okay. Yeah. He calls it the effective temperature is not the same as actual surface temperature since it doesn't account for Earth's atmosphere. Earth had no atmosphere, it would be the correct actual temperature. So what is the temperature? All right. So at our distance average, he uses gigameters. That's I think is a thousand meters more. Hold on. I don't know. don't know. Gigameters. We're gonna have like 20 tabs open by the end of this podcast. Two kilometers. ⁓ Okay. So there's, ⁓ my gosh, how many zeros is there? Seven. So it's a million kilometers per gigameter. I see why you use this gigameters. Makes sense. So instead of 150 million. kilometers from the earth it would be 150 gigameters. Wow. Yeah. So let's go back to that. Gigameters. Exactly. At our current distance of an average because we have we're sometimes closer to the Sun. 149.6 gigameters. Okay. Right. The effective temperature is 257 Kelvin or about negative 16 C. Do know that in Fahrenheit? Celsius? Yeah. He said C. Well, that's what people say. Is that what they say? That's what they say. Back me up. Leave us a five-star rating review. If I'm right. If he's right. All right. C to F. That's 60 degrees Fahrenheit for all us Americans. Okay. Didn't it say negative? Did he? I I said negative. Yeah, you're right. So it'd be negative 60. Maybe. I don't know how the scale works. You would think. Negative. Nope. Oh, 3.2. 3.2 Fahrenheit. Interesting. Wow. Oh, wow. I like that. But that's like where we are right now. That's what he says. So the effective temperature is negative 16 C plus or minus 2 C. NASA cites an actual average temperature of 15 C. That's weird. Negative 15 C or I think he meant negative 15 C, assuming some, you know, math. Gross. Then he says, so what would happen if we moved 10 gigameters closer, right? 10 million kilometers, which not very useful to us Americans again, but whatever. The surface temperature is now negative seven C and he's guessing the actual temperature would be about 24 C. So again, it's good. Oh my gosh. that. 24 C is 75.2. That's what he's guessing. Negative 24? No, 24 plus. 24, okay. Yeah, but he's guessing the actual temperature, right? If we're talking the effective temperature reaching the Earth, it would be negative 7 C, which is 19 degrees Fahrenheit. Right. Huge difference. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. It must be like the greenhouse effect or something. I don't know. I'm no scientist. All right. So he says we'd probably be able to survive, but with difficulties for starters, the sea level would rise by over 40 meters leading to the world. We'd be merman. Yeah. Leading to the world to look at best like this. Any links to something? Let's see. Please be decent. Oh, Okay. Let's go to the U S because screw everywhere else. Florida's basically underwater. That makes sense. A lot of New York is underwater. What kind of party? Unfortunately, California is quite okay. Holy cow, New York is... The Bahamas are gone. Goodbye vacation. It's crazy. It's not that crazy though. It's not like, yeah, I thought it'd be a little more extreme, we can get rid of those places. So what if we move? What about if we move towards the sun at 20 gigameters, right? 20 million kilometers. Now the effective temperature is negative three C. The surface temperature is about 34 C. All right. Let's figure that out. 34 C. That's a cool day in Arizona. That's like earlier today. Now he says, what about 50 gigameters? effective temperature is 42 C. An actual one is around 73 C. So I'm curious. That feels like it's hot now. 163 degrees. You know, that's pretty hot. You can cook chicken. But is it though? It's hot. In the... Yeah. The question is like, is this the equator? Is this like the Arctic? Is this like North Pole, South Pole? Where on earth are we talking about? We're talking total average? Probably average. Yeah. We'd be dead here. ⁓ Here in Arizona, we'd be dead. Yeah. For sure. So that's 50 gigameters. So that's quite uncomfortable. To say the least. But wasn't it, this BBC article said 1.5 gigameters. So there's something off. They disagree. ⁓ I think we could go further. Yeah. And, ⁓ purchase this next week too. Yeah. Cause this is fascinating. It is fascinating. And we could get crazy with this. I think this being our opening would, ⁓ definitely be solid. Yeah. like, just have like different things like this that we do. Such nerds. I love it. Just like fun facts of deep dive into. All right. So I also did this. I asked GBT. ⁓ with deep research on. like that you don't call them by their first name, Chat. Chat? No. Because it's harder to say GPT and I just learned it a long time ago. ⁓ Plus I was using it before everybody else. Okay. So you're just... I'm just better. Interesting. I know it's a humble position. Yeah. Anyways, I asked GPT because I didn't find any articles. How much closer to or farther from the Sun could the Earth's orbit get? and still be habitable because I couldn't find any articles on how far away from the sun we could get before we all froze to death. And then it asks me to clarify, okay, what do you mean by habitable? And I said, account for all the variables that you can, like the atmosphere and stuff like that. And tell me when humans would die and then tell me where all life would die. Cause it's what my brother brought up is like, there's life at the bottom of the ocean that probably would never freeze for thousands of years, even if we were like at the distance of Pluto. Sure. But eventually they would. Yeah. Right. So I guess the definition is like, would they eventually die or would they be able to live forever at that distance? Right. Or continue living forever. So, GBT spud at a answer. Is that the right word? Spat. Sput. Sput. Sput. I like. GPT sput. Sput. Sput. An answer out. Sput and out. And I guess we'll get to that next episode. ⁓ cliffhanger. I like it. Okay. You sure? Yeah. Cool. Yeah. All right. Let's go back. What do we got for the show today? Well, first off, greetings and salutations, dear listeners. Thank you for joining us. This was, I hope you enjoyed our cold open. I enjoyed our cold open. It was great. It wasn't very cold, but... Contextually, could be cold. He's about to open a Topo Tito. It sprayed me. Very dangerous drink, apparently. This is the perfumed DK podcast And we are your hosts Michael and Daniel. We do normally have a third Steven but you're gonna find this way here. He could oh cuz he's blind. Well, it's not what I've seen at all. What's wrong with you? That's definitely I hear I hear your What's the word joking? No, the gaslighting tone. He's not here with us. He had to work? Yeah, he was working till six and before that I was hanging out with my girlfriend. So I didn't have the time to pick her Oh, so it's your fault, isn't it? It's my fault. So they couldn't find his way here and he's lost. Yeah, it's my fault. But we're hanging out tomorrow. Okay. We're gonna grab dinner. That's nice. I like that. And... You and your girlfriend or? Well, no, me and Steven. Okay. Maybe. So you have a girlfriend. do have a girlfriend. Do you? No. Can you hang out with me and Stephen tomorrow? no. Why? We don't need to talk about that. So this is a perfume DK podcast ⁓ where we venture, we have cards now. trying to be a little more organized, I guess you could say. Where we venture into the spiritual through the Bible. Perfuming our experience with the sweet aroma of God's word and then partake of all else known to us in the decay of this world in the physical, mental, and emotional. Hey, that was pretty good. As you can tell, we are nerds, apparently. Or he's the nerd and I'm just along for the ride. No, I'm the one that came up with the question, so I'm pretty sure. We're both nerds. different ways. In very different Right, you're like a gamer nerd, anime nerd. I'm like a, how do these things work? Yeah. I'm a That's right. I'm a myth buster. I'm definitely not a myth buster. We do it all. I feel like we talk about anything and everything almost. We could, yeah. Except maybe politics, which I don't really care about politics most of the time. Me neither. I don't think we're going to talk about it hardly at all. Unless it's to trash on somebody. Or to build someone up. Builds. We should be building people up. We should be. I mean, that's what's tiring about politics, right? Yeah, that's true. Everybody's tearing everybody down. Yeah, that is very true. Yeah. I like that. Thank you. Speaking of building things up, I think you have some- ⁓ is that my cue? Yeah. Cue, I know, you like that transition? That was tight. All right, so we got some announcements, some plugs. Some plugs. You know what I mean. Plug it in, plug it in. Comcast. Dude, I don't even think Comcast does exist. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think they do that anymore. Before we dive into God's beautiful words, we only have a few announcements. You guess what those are? Of course you can't. All right. This energy is crazy. You can become a different person. All right. What we're trying to do. for the podcast. You ready? We got four points here. What we're trying to do for the podcast, personal projects that we're trying to plug and force down your guys' throat. Yeah. Where, hold on. ⁓ where we can be found. Yeah. You got to work on that B. The letter B. Why are you judging my handwriting? I'm not. just giving you, it's pretty good. It's pretty solid. Maybe you should be the writer. I mean, I should have. So where, What are we trying to do for the podcast? I think we're trying to structure it better. That's true. That's why we have these We got the cards. We're also trying to set up some social media so that y'all can reach out. And so we can talk to y'all. What else? Trying to stream. Stream. Yeah. So we'll be streaming on YouTube, Twitch, whatever. Streaming. Wherever we can first. Wherever we can. Probably starting with YouTube. We had a lot of things. If you couldn't tell. There is something very exciting going on right now. ⁓ yeah? Sup, y'all? Another Dan here. If you can't tell, you can't hear any lo-fi music right now. We had to remove it because of copyright issues. Annoying stuff. Super adult, professional, lawyer, annoying stuff. Anyway, I went ahead and used Suno to create a nice groovy, magical lo-fi beat for you to listen to in the meantime. So enjoy. There's a music playing in the background. Let me, let me, let me, wait, wait. What is there? Music. And it's what, lo-fi? Yeah, lo-fi. it's lit. And you know, I feel like that really, I don't know, it the tone, it sets the vibe. Oh, it does. I feel like we could keep this kind of sound in the background forever. Yeah. And you know, I'm getting chill. It's beautiful thing. Yeah. Let us know if you like it. If you don't like it. If you don't like it. You suck, If you don't like it, take a hike. Take a hike. Maybe you don't like us. you don't like us, that sucks. We're pretty awesome. Obviously. Obviously. We had to tone our awesomeness down by giving them a bad camera. That's true. The super granny, out of focus. We didn't, it's called humbleness. Humbleness is also called, we don't have the tech yet. It's coming though. Same thing. We've been talking about in the 360 camera. Yes. Put that sucker, that bad boy. Then you can see our beautiful faces a lot better. Questionable. But yes, you'll be able to see us a lot better. see my beautiful face. Yes. And Stephen's. And that's right here. Come here. For everybody who's listening to the audio, I'm just reaching for his shiny head. He just shaved it. Yeah. I was, was mustached and bearded. It was good. And I had hair again, which... I thought about just keeping like the facial hair and then doing the hair. Whatever. I think you look good. Thank you. Yeah, appreciate that. I think I look great. Yeah, you look amazing. Mr. Mr. Clean. Mr. Clean. Mr. Clean, Mr. Clean. Someone called me ⁓ Caillou today. Bruh. That's crazy. That's wild. That's insane, dude. All right, moving on. Personal projects. You got anything going on? I'm writing a book. I did plug in last episode. So many times. I'm in the weeds. I'm in chapter three still. I saw you sent that to me the other day. I haven't had a chance to read it up. It's because you hate me. fine. But I will eventually. Because it's good. I hope so. I- I- You did read a- I read the first chapter? Or was it 1 and 2? Uh, I think you only read the first chapter. Okay. I don't think you read chapter 2. Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of plagiarism. Plagiarism? Of my ideas. Oh, okay. Plagiarism, which is cool. I was gonna include you in the notes, but, you know. Wait, did you? I'm going to. Oh, shoot. You're part of writing process. Goodness gracious. Plagiarism. Crazy. Hey, you're citing me. So that's all I want. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Tight. Cause I'm never going to write a book. It's so hard. It's impressive. I'll write it for you. Thank you. Dude, if this podcast takes off, I'll be writing all the time. Dang dude. Yeah. It's impressive. Thank you. Yeah. And making films. ⁓ yeah. Yeah. You want to us about that? And making music. I don't want to tell you about that because nothing's happening with it. Okay. All right. Very interesting. Very interesting. Do I have projects going on? How much do you want me to nerd out? How much time do we? All right. I'll just surface level. I feel like you got a lot. I've got a five gallon fish tank on my desk. Yes. And I get... That's still going on. Yeah. Okay. I sort of mentioned in the last podcast, but you know, I put a 30 gallon reservoir underneath it and I've got a float switch and it keeps the level the same all the time, which is great. Today I did a water change, half the tank, you two and a half gallons down. And I didn't have to pour any water back in because that reservoir filled it right back up. That's sweet. Yeah. The other project is I'm working on the home assistant, which is here. can actually show you this app that's. Wait, wait. Is that like the movie where you're out, the house takes over and the caps of people inside. What's that movie called? I don't know. It's like a early 2000s movie or something. You're like 1990s. I don't. tend to watch those kinds of movies. It's, is this Disney movie, think. Oh, yeah. Okay. Interesting that it's Disney. Yeah, that's funny. But yeah, basically like anything that's related to my house on the network I can put here. So I've got my bedroom lights here. can go ahead and toggle those on right now and toggle them off. know, I've got the living room lights. I've got the lights in my bathroom, but oh, also I've got the air stones in the reservoir. I like to oxygenate the reservoir and that turns on nightly. So I don't have to hear it during the day. I've got a automation in place that checks the wifi and the LAN, the ethernet to see if it's down. If it is for a certain period of time, it restarts the router. That's a real practical one. And then I also, I've got that time of flight sensor at my door that turns on and off the lights as I enter or exit. know, problem was, is my brother would come in while I'm working and it would turn off the lights. So I, he's like, classic. He's just like, this seems like more trouble than it's worth. That's funny. Which fair, fair. But that's the point. like code it to. I did. ⁓ you did? Yeah. So I set up my Mac, my work Mac to basically communicate with the home assistant that it's receiving key input or mouse input. And if it is, it tells home assistant, Hey, he's working in his. brother just walked in, don't turn it off. The alternate say I'm working, I get up, I leave the room. It goes, ⁓ he was just working, but let's wait for a second. Let's see if he's actually still at the desk. Okay. And then, you know, once the timer elapses and I'm not at the desk and it goes, let's turn it off. ⁓ That sucks. Okay. Yeah. It's I've worked out a lot of bugs, but it's not perfect yet. But yeah, that's what I'm working on. Dang. That's pretty fun. Thanks, man. All right. Moving forward. Where can we be found? Can we be found anywhere? We at this very moment cannot be found anywhere. I'm here again because at the very moment we were recording this episode, that was true. But now we have a ton of social media. We have Instagram, TikTok, X, not Facebook. Don't really want Facebook, but we got a whole bunch of stuff is the point. And if you check the show notes. Or the description wherever you're watching this or listening to this, you'll find it perfumed. DK on any social media platform. should find this. You can find this address. Michael's number is. My social security number is. My credit card number is. If you are single, can find me. Hold on. Are you single? I. I like, you know what I like? I like that you're stealing the bit that I was gonna use on you. What do you mean? You threw, you destroy my bit. Yeah, cause I put it out there. I have a girlfriend at And then, you're using my bit against me. Karma. That's wild. Hey, I heard it and I was like, that's good idea. You know what, that's really fair. I did steal that one Shining Loving from you. And you suck for that. Actually, I'm pretty amazing for that. Well, there. Mr. Oh, anything else besides Steven not being here? I mean, we did cover that. Steven We did cover that. We're trying to get people on the pod. My friends, friends. They're subtly blowing us off. And people have lives, apparently. So. And we don't. And we don't. Well, we do. It's just we like to hang out. We have lives. One combined life. Like I have half a life, you have half a life. Right? I have, well, at this very moment for the last month and a half or so, I've been the resting half of your life, even the working half of my life. Honestly. Yeah. There's been some nights where I've stayed up all night. Yeah. Like on this last week, I got up, I think I was working from Tuesday morning all the way to Wednesday night. ⁓ I didn't go to sleep. That's a long time. Yeah. So this week blew by. Wow. Okay. Crazy. Wow. But I, so I did build two apps though. Two new apps for work. There you go. Yeah. And I have been writing my book. I'm excited to read it. So, reading kind of. Yeah. What are you reading? to people. What is it called? That's an interesting title. It's a, it's a Brandon Sanderson book. Okay, one of his first ones. Atlantis. That's what it Fiction. Very good. Fantasy? Very good. Fantasy. ⁓ Christian, right? He is Mormon, I believe. ⁓ Yeah. Okay. Well, I guess that's compatible in some ways. Right, there's not going to be some raunchy scene or something. No, there's not. No, he doesn't do that. He's a very good writer. I really like his stuff. This will be the second book of his that I've read, actually. Wow. Yeah. other the next two, right? Yeah. Well, I've only read the standalones and this one or the other one that I read was something out of Prince. I can't remember what it was called anyways, but yeah, brands. I'll just check it out. Good stuff. I think that's it for announcements. Yeah, you're up. Sweet. We are going to be making it into the first part of our podcast, the actual first part of our podcast, the part of the content, if you will. Sure. In this section, our hope here is to edify and create a space of thoughtfulness, fun, understanding, awe and wonder, and ultimately truth. So let us transition into our time in God's Word, perfuming our space, hearts and mind with spirit and truth. We will be in Genesis. We don't have our Bibles. I'm technically at my house, but you I don't want... Daniel to feel alone. I've got a bottle in the car, dude. Even though he has a girlfriend now. Did I say that in my... Sounds like this past week, you haven't been too lonely yourself, Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, nothing is... Oh, was that private conversation? This was private. I don't know. You're bad at the thing that I was going to do. Thank you. You're welcome. So, we are in Genesis 2, 1 through 3. Would you like to read the section? 2, 1 through 3? Yeah, sure. So, this is a... very popular piece of scripture. I mean, you can't talk about the creation story without someone being like, and Jesus rested. Jesus. Lord. Well, I guess. God. Yeah, I mean, yes. God rested on the seventh day of creation, of the very beginning and Rest is not lazy. Rest is not lazy. Yeah. And I've heard so many takes on this, so many passionate reviews of God's rest. Like it is just huge and awesome and so cool and like all sorts of different explanations or ideas of God doing this. I think that it warrants us having an entire perfume section. On just three verses? On just these three verses. Okay. Let's do it. What are your immediate thoughts? My immediate thought while I was reading was like, wow, it's beating itself a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Like the phrase specifically, he had done his work that he had done. And mine even says, thus the heavens and the earth were completed and all their hosts by the seventh day, God completed his work, which he had done. Yeah. And from all, from his work which he had done. Okay, yeah, I see what you're Yeah, it repeats itself a little bit. I also noticed that, uh, then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it is what it says in the NASB. Because he is... And made it holy. Yeah. Those two words mean the same thing basically, right? To be holy is to be sanctified. Yeah, well, no, because God is holy. Yeah, he's set apart. He's set apart, but sanctified... Is to make something holy. is to make something holy. Right? Hmm. So that's it says made it holy. God isn't being made holy though. Right. God is holy. We're being sanctified. We're being sanctified. It's process. Yeah. How does yours say it again? It says, sanctified it. And sanctified it. blessed the seventh day and sanctified it. Yeah. In my version it says he made it holy. Made it. Okay. I see what saying. Gotcha. Yep. I can, I can. track with that. Yeah. Yeah. It does say that he, the work that he had done. Yeah. Several times. And he completed and he did it. Interesting. Yeah. Why? I would dare say that it's almost. It's an emphasis. Yeah, it's emphasis. What you were talking about last time. It's, and it's saying he, in a way is justified that he's made, that he is resting from. all the work that he had done. Which, in my mind, it's almost like why... I don't think because he's the god of creation and he did all the work that he wouldn't ever at any point be... not be justified in taking a rest or doing whatever the heck he wants. And in my mind, this has always been like he's resting because he wants there to be a time of rest for us. He wants this time to be holy. He wants it to be a time that we liken to this time that he's taking for himself. Not in the sense, because this is, I mean, this is almost making it feel like he worked and now he's going to rest because he's worked. But later on it, I mean, Jesus, doesn't Jesus or maybe it's Paul, I think it's Jesus talks about how the Sabbath was made. for man and not man for the Sabbath. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Meaning we don't serve the Sabbath. The Sabbath serves us. Does God need rest? He doesn't. So why did he do that for us? Yeah. The last thing he created. Well, and it's interesting because he, yeah, it's like he's saying, that's funny, right? You know what? I've never thought about it. I have never thought about it. He's didn't stop creating. argument is that he stopped creating, but he didn't. created rest. Bro. Look at that energy over there. That's wild. That's wild. Right? For us. Yeah. God is the reason we get weekends off. What a way to make it so... That's my application. That's I mean, that's fair. I mean you're right People are trying to take that away Take what away take away the weekend Take away the purpose of the weekend if you yeah, which in my in my thought is taking away the weekend taking away the rest. Mm-hmm. I mean, it's in in in that vein of thinking like it is Hard. I'm sure with your job, like you've worked on Sundays. It's rare. It's rare? Yeah. Even when I was working for myself, it was rare and it was because I put a price on it. So my rate was like pretty high already, but I told them if you want me working on Saturday, it's going to be twice my rate. If you want me working on Sunday, it's going be four times my rate. And so it happened, I think once. Hmm. Yeah. Okay. That's, that's awesome. Yeah. I like that. Pay for me to take my... But it's not even about the money. It's just like, know that that's how the world works is everybody loves their money. And so I'll speak their language. Yeah. Right. I love going to church and I love setting that time aside to rest. Yeah. And I'd never thought people would ever take that and say, okay, sure. I'll pay four times your rate. Sure. Right. But again, I'm not going to pick up your phone call. Like I'll text you back after church. Yeah. Like if it's an emergency, he's going to wait. Yeah. Yeah. I've worked on Sundays before. Yeah. Almost every single time that I've done it, I've always sat there afterwards and been like, that was the worst day of my life. Like it was just another day of work, you know, but it wasn't, it was, it was a day that I lost. was, it was a, it was, it was almost like, say if had a girlfriend and And you know, we have this time planned out, know, for you and her, for us. And then, you know, I just don't go because I have something more important or whatever, but it doesn't, but it doesn't feel worth it. You know, it doesn't feel like that's where I should be because I want to be with her because it's better. and I mean, that's what, that's the way it is when you don't go to church and you don't. spend time with God. Yeah. And then you stop doing that. You're just like, ew, this is awful. Like, I don't want to do this. And, and it's, and it's not only taxing on you, guess, emotionally or mentally, it's taxing in the like, like almost a weird physical, spiritual sense. Like it drains you in a different way. Yeah. And I like for the rest of the week. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I missed something. I missed The energy boost. missed the energy drink or whatever. cleansing. Yeah. Like if you don't have a good night's sleep, like next day you're going to be loopy. Yeah. Well, and it's interesting too, cause it's like, if you read your Bible daily and then you stop doing that, which I mean, we've all done it several occasions. You know, we get on a really good reading spree and then it dies. And then we're just off the entire day. It's like you got hit by a bus and then you got back up and you started living your life. You're like, why did I do that? It's so intentional that God did this, right? that God created rest and he won, blessed it. It's not like how I was describing like, the energy boost or whatever. It's that we are missing out on a blessing. We are missing out on something good, a beautiful fragrance. We're just not blessed. We experience this with like instant gratification. If we don't get our instant gratification, we just, we're mad. Everything is off. Everything is whatever. Unless, you know, we work on that, which you should. But... Yeah, if you miss out on your Sunday morning, hearing the Word of God, being with the body, spending time with the Lord and whatever. mean, even if you just, it's not the same, but even if you go online and you just watch it because you're sick or whatever, that's much better than nothing. Sure. When you're actually there, you are getting that blessing. You're partaking in the thing that God ordained is really what it is. And... But what about the times where like, it's not the best. Like you show up, the sermon doesn't really hit you. The people kind of, I guess, suck that day. Whatever. Right. What if it's like not great? I mean, and is the day of rest about going to church or is it about resting? Hmm. Well, I think it's about resting in the Lord, right? It's about not only resting in the Lord, but resting in the Lord with his body. Right? With the church in having that fellowship because that's a good question. Your first question. I think the worst sides of the best thing are still better than the worst sides of the worst thing. That makes sense. So in this argument, the worst thing is to not go. Yeah. If you don't go, what are you going to do? Oftentimes when we don't go, when we don't do our Bible study, when we don't... do the things that we know that we should be doing, what do we end up doing? Work. Work. Or sometimes it leads us to doing the things that we shouldn't be doing. And we end up in a much worse situation. maybe we just let in whatever lies, you know, because we're not... because really the blessing is protection. Because you're being held accountable. being surrounded by like-minded people, just, mean, aside from Christianity is a powerful thing. surrounded by, you know, people are always looking for community. People are always looking for people that are in the same vein because that's where you feel accepted. That's where you feel complete in a way. Let's say you're just going to church because of community. Would you still receive that blessing because you're there? Well, again, it's, it's what it really is about is our relationship with God, right? And his church being the representative of Christ's body means that, well, cause like the Bible says, like, where two or more are gathered, there he is also, right? I mean, the- There's a specific context to that though. Yeah. But it's also where like, God is everywhere. But when you're with the body, he is- You're surrounded by people that are walking with God. Yeah, you're surrounded by... more of God. Yeah, there's more... I'm gonna say this in a weird way. It's almost like being surrounded by more of Him. That's what I just said. But, well, I said it in different way. I just made it sound weirder. More of Him, more... Like if He multiplied Himself. Yeah. You know? Yeah. In some strange way. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of weird ways that could go. Well, here's what it is. God is everywhere. Yeah. Right. The Holy Spirit inhabits certain people. Right. To have those people around you in mass is different than being out in the world. Yeah. And even if Sunday was meh, like at least it was meh with your brothers and sisters. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, and it's the same way in any relationship, right? You gotta embrace the boring. Yeah. Cause it's going to happen. have embrace the boring. You have to embrace the negative, negativity. Yeah. There's going to be drama. There's going to be arguments. There's going to be fights, straight up fights. But I mean, people aren't perfect. Yeah. And, yeah, and it's not, we shouldn't expect that. And in fact, we should expect the negativity. Well, yeah, we should expect trauma. We should expect, you know, whatever because. Cause people are still in process of being sanctified. Yeah. Well, I, cause I... ⁓ What? God sanctified that day. Yes. You think there's a tie between God using that day to sanctify us? Probably. Hmm. ⁓ I mean, if he makes it holy, if he makes it a blessing, then, and we keep that. Yeah. I would say that that's probably. A source of sanctification. Yeah. Nice. Just like... Good tie. Yeah. Just like prayer. Any spiritual discipline. Really? That's a good point. I like that. Thank you. But you were on another track. Yeah, no. There's so much peace and recognize and having your expectations be reality. And I feel like a lot of people, they fight about that. They're like, well, what is reality? What is realistic? You use the word realistic. That's why I use the word reality instead of realistic because realistic has this Interpretive connotation for some reason what is realistic? What is reality reality is people suck And they're trying to get better No, not and well, they're trying they want to get better. Yeah, but it's a bad job It's impossible. Yeah, that's pure. Yeah, it's more like their intent is ⁓ I'm gonna do things and they're gonna fail every time. I'm gonna do certain things and hopefully that's gonna make me better, but the reality is that those with Christ, they are being sanctified, they are being made holy. Acknowledging the sin in the world and then acknowledging that all of us are gonna sin, you're gonna be a lot happier. How so? Because you're expecting the worst. If you are expecting the worst, but knowing... that people are not defined by their past or defined by their actions even because their actions and everything just informs more about them than you understand how to reach the heart of the issue. And the heart of the issue is sin, but it's also their past. It informs what's going on. And so, I'm going to use a weird example, women with daddy issues, right? You're broken, you're messed up, whatever. It's a judgmental thing is what it ends up being. And it's like, okay, If that is true, a lot of times it is, if that is true, we know what's going on and we can help them heal. know what's going on. We understand the heart of the issue. shouldn't be down on this person. We should be understanding because we know now and granted that there is an openness that they have to have about it in order to allow people in. so, I mean, it's always a. two-way street. If we know that information, we can be understanding, can be accepting of who they are, then they'll be more willing to come out of their shell, come out of whatever c*** that they're in. I think that at the end of the day, most people are just looking for someone to accept them as they are. that's, and accepting people as they are is not being disappointed to the extent of completely rejecting somebody. Because... can you be... So, I guess that doesn't really discount the fact that you can be disappointed. You can. Well, it's not to say that you're not going to reject somebody. Because there are times that you should reject somebody. And there are times that you need to have that boundary. But when you're just meeting somebody, or you're just getting to know somebody, or you've known them for a while or something like that, you can tell when something is toxic to you. Or you should be able to tell. There should be people in your life that are... Like, hey, this is not a good situation to get out of it. If you don't, then you're screwed. Get those people. But you can tell if you have the safeguards in place, you can tell. And you need to let those people go. But sometimes there's worthy pain in that experience that you can go through with that person, which creates a stronger bond. Right. And sometimes there's just like. ⁓ this is just killing me. It's not killing you at all. Yeah for there to be peace between two people Like us being friends if I hate anything about you you're gonna know and it's gonna be toxic to you because I'm gonna make it known because we're gonna have animosity towards you all the time like if you call me every single day and tell me how much you actually Just so that we can do this podcast and you don't have to Tell me on the podcast. Well, like, you hate me, and that's why you're on the podcast. you also hate that nobody wanted to do podcast with you, so the enemy of your enemy is your best friend. Yeah, that's this works. But yeah, you create peace and unity when you are accepting of the reality that everybody's living in. Not the, ⁓ this is just true for you. There's nothing that is just true for that person. there's millions of people on the planet, just you is going through, no. No. No. And people use that, it's interesting, it's like the thought is always, I'm alone because I'm the only person going through this. People use that as like, ⁓ I'm the only one going through this so I should be like acknowledged. Is like... I think the other side of that coin, one is crying for acknowledgement. One is asking, like not pleading, but saying, you should acknowledge me. And I think we talk about that, that side of it very often. We, we, we, acknowledge the people that are self-centered and narcissistic and whatever they're all about, you know, their accomplishments and everything consisting of them. But the people that are like looking for acknowledgement because of what they feel like they don't have, I guess, or what they can't accomplish. Like there's, there's the, have accomplished, so I should be acknowledged. And then there's the, I don't have, or I don't, I haven't accomplished, so I should be acknowledged. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. It's either you're playing the boastful person or you're playing the victim. ⁓ I'm justifiably awesome. Yeah. Or I'm unjustifiably kicked off my throne. Yeah. How does that tie back to the rest? Well, we're talking about being holy, being sanctified. The blessing that comes with our day or this specific day. What the seventh day, what the Sabbath, what this day that God has made holy represents is a place for His church to be healed. It's really what it comes down to. To have healing, to be in community. in communion with him, be in communion with his body. And part of that is acknowledging that the church is hospital. Yeah. Where people need to be healed and acknowledging that everybody has their trauma, everybody has their... Box of not cool candy. Yeah, baggage. And for there to be unity, it's acknowledging that, you think this or you act this way or you believe this or you whatever. You are the way that you are because of your injuries. Your injuries. And I'm glad you're here. Yeah. And I don't know how the Holy Spirit is going to use me, but he's going to use me. He's going to use that person over there. He's going to use the pastor to help heal you. Yeah. I think that's pretty cool how God uses his whole body to heal us. And it's not just the relationship between me and the Holy Spirit that's in me. It's because honestly, I don't... I haven't heard much. Like I don't have a direct, I don't have direct conversations with the Holy Spirit. ⁓ Right. Really? You should work on that. mean, I've heard people do. Yeah. I just, I haven't had it happen often. But doesn't that make it that much sweeter when it does? Yeah. Yeah. But it's, it's just as sweet when say you, who is filled with Spirit, comes up to me and says something. Yeah. or does something and you had no idea. No idea that that was going to change me. Changed my perspective on like some, some, some injury of mine or even some sin, perpetual sin that I've been in. And completely changes me. Yeah. And it changes me from the inside out. And the reason is because the Holy Spirit used you from the inside out to heal me. Yeah. From where he is on the inside out. Right. Yeah. That can happen on the off days. Yeah. days. Right. But those are like the field days. Yeah. Around the field. It's like medic. Yeah. Yeah. The day of rest is, yeah, like what you've been saying is for healing, is for family. Yeah. Right. It's not for work. It's for everything else. Yeah. Even if that is observing the work that, I mean, nothing, nothing says you have to go to church and... try to be healed or try to heal someone else. You can go to church and talk about how excited you are about your job, how excited you are about this project that you got going on. There's no rule against that. In fact, I encourage that. There's no better group of people to be excited with. So it's the highs, it's the lows. It's everything. We are a body and that doesn't just mean like the immune system. It doesn't just mean healing. But in those, in that sense, there's, because the church is described as a literal body to some degree. Yeah, Jesus is born. While the jury's out, I've heard some pastors refer to us as a church, as Jesus's literal body. Okay. I'm not sure where I stand. I just wanted to add it up. But in the sense that we all have a role. Right? And we all need to play that role. And so there's the personal healing and there's what I would say is it's almost like the lost come about. And then we have that part of the body that we need. We have that cell, if you will, that joins the family, joins the body and, you know, continues to complete it, if you will. And then there's that healing process where it's being integrated. I'm totally writing this in my book. I did not think about this until now. It is a healing of the body, the, if you want to call it, the literal body of Christ. And each person is that next molecule, that next cell, whatever part, you know, and it's playing, we're playing our role. As we communicate, as we build relationships, as we build that bond, that's the healing of the body. Not just on a personal level, which there is on a personal level, but also on the Big C church. The big C church was healed when Jesus died on the cross. Right. The kingdom is here and the kingdom is also not here. Right. So it's being healed and it is healed. It is healed and it's being healed. Yeah. Yeah. It's ⁓ It's It's fascinating. We are Christ's bride. Yeah. And we are being made perfect. Yeah. Which is such a weird concept as dudes. ⁓ Right? You know, but... Would you want to wear a veil? ⁓ a veil? A veil. No. Yeah. White dress. Mm-mm. No? Black? Black If I'm gonna wear a dress, it's gonna be black. What is this? Or red, actually. Alright. Lots of blood on it. mean, Are we supposed to be white as snow? Right. But hey, we're covered in Jesus' blood, so... Find me some Jesus' blood. You know what is interesting? I feel like, as a guy, the idea of being Christ's bride is a softening... It's not humbling, but it's like... I get the opportunity, or we get, as men, get the opportunity to accept the same feeling that maybe a woman would have at the altar. You know what I mean? Because I look at Proverbs 31 or ⁓ slightly at Song of Psalms. Or just anything having to do with us being the bride of Christ. And I'm thinking, we are precious. We are in the eyes of the Lord, beautiful. Worthy in a sense of his love. He has made us worthy. He has made us righteous. is... It was worth it to him to die on the cross for us. I mean, when we get married or even just if we're dating someone like that biblical idea of I'm here to protect you. I'm here to love you. I'm here to take care of you. I'm here to be what you're not so that we can be one so that we can be together. And that's the same thing that Christ is for us. He is our protector. He provides everything that we need. that's not even to say, and this is where being a man, we can still kind of hold onto that, that's not to say that we don't have a role. That's not to say that he doesn't allow us to do and to be a part of the equation in a way. We get to take part in the things that he's doing. ⁓ I thought you said he doesn't allow. No, he does allow. He does allow. Yeah, I'm saying, I'm saying not that he, not that he doesn't. Okay. Double negative. Confusing. Yeah. So we're, we're at an hour 10 already, and I know we had a pretty, pretty long cold open. Yeah. So I think we should probably wrap this up. I do, I do have one more point. Yeah, go for it. Yeah. I just wanted to point out, we did bring up the, the verses here on the screen. As you can see here. ⁓ So I've got my version, the extra spiritual version, and then the not as spiritual Bible. Not as super biblical, 1990. So I think just to refocus us, because we've been talking about a lot of stuff besides three verses here. Yeah. But that's was actually going bring it back. ⁓ sure. We're on the same page. did want to just read it back. So I'll read the NASB this time. Okay. Actually, do you want to read it? Sure. Thus the heavens and the earth were completed and all their hosts. By the seventh day God completed his work which he had done and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it because in it he rested from all his work which God had created and made." Interesting. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it because in it. He rested from all His work which God had created and made. So it's even really saying that because He rested, it is blessed and it is holy. It is sanctified. So it's not that He created it, it's that that was the outcome of Him resting. Yeah. So if God rests... Blessings forever! That's crazy. No, but the thing that I was gonna call back to, because you brought it up initially, is that it keeps reiterating the work that he had done. And I think that's important for us to take away. I'm actually leading into the final portion. We didn't do it. We didn't have a part in it. It says, what, four or five times here? Wait, let's read. God completed his work, which he had done. That's one. Rest from his work. That's the two. Then God blessed and then the, and we said that three times. Yeah. Which man, if anything is said three times. I missed it. Hold on. But he said it. Yeah. One more time for ⁓ it. ⁓ okay. I mean, if this was the word work three times, it would be work really worked and worked. Like in capital letters. It's God telling us, I did this. But if you call back to chapter one at the end when it's talking about man and him telling us to take dominion over it, it's like, here's the work that I've done. I've just blessed you by resting. All of this is for you. The concept of light. to the ground beneath you, the animals, all the creatures, all the plants, the sky, and this rest, which is holy, if you uphold it. But I did it. I did it for you. Three times, he says it. And I mean, not to mention, you know, the whole first chapter where he's like, I, you know, where he says, let this be created, whatever. It was done. I'm pretty sure it's saying, and it was done. And it was, I'm pretty sure that's enough, but he has to really say it on the seventh day. I did this. Yeah, that's crazy. So I'm writing down here, the takeaways. Okay. Right. Great. The first one that I got was God created rest on the last day. And we sort of amended that at the end there, which is the third point that I wrote down. Because God rested and because God is holy, the act of Him resting on that seventh day made it holy. It seems to me that that's a pattern in scripture is whenever God does something, it's holy as the... Yeah. Yeah. Also, if as His children, we do the same thing, we're in the shadow of His holiness. And so maybe that's the takeaway. We rest on Sunday to be like God. Like his children to be holy because Jesus definitely took the Sabbath the way that it was meant to yeah Yeah, even though he technically worked Right you walk too many steps Gotta have that fit bit too many and too many too many steps for Jesus on the holy day holy steps might do But he's got yeah, so it's different. Yeah, right. So if God is doing something, it's holy And so the disciples were following in the footsteps of God. And because they were, what they were doing was holy. And who are the Pharisees and whoever else to say what God is doing is not holy. That's blasphemy. Right. said that to his face. To his face. Ridiculous. Crazy. It's crazy how merciful God is. Yeah. In my mind, if I... You're gonna just struck dead. Oh man. Where's, right? Was it, where's the, was it Elisha? Who called down the fire? Was it Elisha? Elisha or Elisha? I think it was Elisha. One of those. It's like, where's he when you need him? But I mean, I'm sure glad, I'm sure glad that God's not like that. Cause I'd be dead 15,000 times over by Seriously. How many times have we? I mean, without even really like trying to. mean, Leviticus lays out all the possibilities of... Is it intentional sin or unintentional sin? I think it might be both, but are you talking about like the city that they could escape to if they accidentally killed someone? No, no, no, no, no. Because in Leviticus, the whole... All the laws have to do with... thing is intentional sin. Is it? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, intentional sin. Okay. But it does talk about unintentional sin. It does talk about it. Yeah. But in terms of all the things that they had to do, the steps, it's like when it comes to unintentional sin, there isn't a Leviticus 2 that's laying out all the rituals that you have to, that you would have had to take up. Like the high priest would have to, in a way, atone or get atonement every single year for the people because of the unintentional sins. And the people would also have to bring their sacrifices, offerings and everything. to atone for their sins too. Unintentional, intentional. If there were intentional sins, they would have to do extra steps. Yeah, that's the more I'm talking about is the extra steps. Because it's, in some sense, it's not as grievous. But if it was as grievous, I mean, we would never stop making, we would have never stopped making sacrifices. Like, the fact that God was merciful enough to be like, hey, you know you did this. go and do the thing, but the things that you don't know, like, but also making it known, like, hey, you know that you do unintentional things. And when you find out, you know, go do the thing, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And back then, repentance was symbolized in action and sacrifice. It wasn't free to make a sacrifice, to make an offering. Right. Yeah. That's you're throwing away money. You're throwing away the best of your money too. Yeah. best of your... of your crop, the best of your animals. if you don't have that, you have to save up to buy the best of someone else's. ⁓ And just the idea that we don't have to do that anymore. We should just be so grateful. Like all we gotta do, hear me out. I know it's a lot. Go to church. Go to church. Read your Bible. Read your Bible. Take a break every now and then. Repent of your sins. Yeah. Take a rest day. Listen to the Holy Spirit when He's telling you that you're grieving Him. Pray. Pray. It's not that hard. Yeah. But in a way it is. Because we all suck. Yeah. Right. Back to yeah. Right. So wrapping it up, there is a literal blessing when we decide to walk in the way that God does. Yeah. If we don't, it's fine. It's covered. It's not fine and it grieves the spirit, but it's covered because we are Christ's bread. And he paid for us. He covered that for us. That's why the dress is red. That just leaves me with such gratefulness. Cause there's room to be the horrible person that I am. I don't want to be. Like that's part of what the spirit's doing is he's changing my desires, but I'm going to be. Yeah. Yeah. But just like I am carrying this dead weight around right now, one day it's all going to be gone. And I won't ever have to worry about sinning ever again. And I will be just like God. Not in the way that Adam and Eve wanted. Right. Not in the way that God is God. Yeah. But I will be just like God because I'll walk in His steps a hundred percent of the time. Right. How wonderful that would be. I'm ready. Let's go. Let's go now. That's why we brought these s***. ⁓ Anyways, so we're live streaming. Not funny, dude. Not funny. Apologies for his insensitive. This will be our first YouTube apology video. Get really serious. So, ⁓ He should not make jokes about... No, we shouldn't. That kind of stuff. No, for real, shouldn't. I know we really should. We should. We're sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We suck. That's the point. That was the entire point of this entire thing. whole thing. Will you forgive me? Leave a comment. Leave a five star review. Let us know if you forgive us. All right. Cool. What's next? There's more? just kidding. So I think that's actually a good transition. That's really funny. The second objective on our podcast is to talk about all things that are even slightly a deviation from the fragrance of our Holy Lord into the decaying perfume of reality to ponder all that life has to offer. Now, this will inevitably wander into many different topics and it'll be fun, it'll be crazy, it'll be all over the place, we'll be... Who knows what we're gonna say next. I don't know what we're gonna say next. I think we're... No idea. No clue. But we are going to start with a philosophy question. Let's do it. A big question of life. And I think it's funny because we know the answer that we have for this question, but I want to see if we can try and come at it without that perspective. So, because it is a very obvious question, obvious answer for us. And that is, does God exist? No. Okay. I thought we got that figured it. Let's just shut this all down. Actually, that first portion, all lies. We don't believe any of that. All right. Does God exist? Does God exist? ⁓ man, what a question. So we got to tackle this from what perspective? We got to try and attack without the Christian worldview that we hold. ⁓ boy. So I'll start. I would be baffled. If there wasn't. I spend a great deal of time listening to like deconstructionists, to atheists, you know, the super intellectuals, whatever. I love listening to them because sometimes they'll point out things about the intricacy of creation. And I'll just be like, and you don't believe in God. Just sitting there shaking your head like what? Holy ****. And I mean, you can look at the human body, you can look at just your brain, you can look at the eye, you can look at literally anything. And I mean, if I were to not be a Christian, I would at least be an agnostic. Because there has to be something. mean, granted, I'm writing a book about this very topic because it's the infinite nature of all of creation. It's the idea that we could study darn near anything. and learn something new about it, if we go and apply it to many different things, and we would be astounded to do so. Granted, that's not even talking about the molecular structure of it, right? If we were to go into the molecular structure of anything, technology wouldn't be able to take us as deep as I think we can actually go. I think we can go further, because we do go further in so many ways. I don't trust that we know 100 % of anything. That's literally what my book is about. It's just that you can learn so much. Just standing in one place. I think about other belief systems, like maybe Buddhism or New Age or whatever, where there's this emphasis on spending time in nature, having like this connection, and this reverence. you know, they talk about the spiritual energy. I can't discount it. I can't discount it because... When I go out into creation and I stand there and I just take it all in, like if I'm on top of a cliff and I'm looking out over a huge valley and trees and the animals and just everything going on, the sky, the sun, a beautiful sunset or something or sunrise, whatever, I'm going to be emotional. I'm going to feel this weird connection. Something. At the very least. I'm going to feel something. That's not nothing. That is, there's nothing not spiritual happening here. This isn't valueless. I can't fully explain why. I know that God created it, but He doesn't say... I mean, okay, actually He does. All of creation praises His name. Even the stones. But it's like, why? Why does it say that? Is really what the question that's come to my mind is. Why does creation cry out? cry out and praise God. Why would that be necessary? ⁓ How is that a thing? So to steal from Ray Comfort, love Ray Comfort, the way. He's quite a comforter. Huge plug, right? Yeah, perfect. Ray Comfort should be on the podcast. He should. He probably would one day if we got big enough. He's chill. He's very chill. That'd be awesome. ⁓ Side note, I tried to reach out and go with him on his, you know, in the videos where he walks around and like, sure. Evangelism. Yeah. Like I was huge into that. Like I took his, like most of his work and like applied that in the field myself. I wanted to join him, but didn't have the opportunity, unfortunately. yeah, love the guy. Yeah. To steal from him, he, he talks about a painting has an artist, a building has an architect and a world has a God. Yeah. Has a creator. Creation has a creator specifically. Right. Right. And so how does the, the, do the rocks cry out? Why does it have to like, what's the necessity there? there? Yeah. Because God's signature is there. even if the rocks can't speak, which they can't, the signature is still there. Yeah. Like I see it quite a lot because I work in code. People say that you can recognize someone's code and you can know who's writing it because it's got a certain signature to it. You know? then you're like something, the way that you talk, it's your signature. Right. You, me, this mic, this computer, this desk, creation out there, the tree across the street, like it's all got God's signature. Right. Yeah. So that's how everything cries out. That's what I would say. We're doing a bad job at taking away our Christian world. Well, I mean, it's really hard to do, but... It's very, very hard because everything does cry out. Yeah. And that's the confusing part. that you were talking about. You look at a sunset and it evokes an emotion. It doesn't evoke nothing, as it should. If nothing created it. If you go out into the world and you experience nothing, no feeling, I would, one, think you need to go to the doctor. You need a psychologist. You need a lot of help. I mean, the world, going back to Adam and Eve, it's where we belong. It's God created it for us to have dominion over it, to have a connection to it, to name it for Pete's sake. That's our whole job, just naming stuff. Yeah. And granted, yes, now, you know, working on it is harder and... In the scheme. There's so many parts to his initial commands that are more difficult and more painful and whatever, but... Yeah, that doesn't change the mandate, right? I feel like we're getting off topic though. Yeah, this is all to say that we're having a hard time extracting God from existence. Because, well, that's part of the argument. Yeah. Right? Is if I didn't know God and I went and saw a sunset, I would feel something. And that is sort of confusing. Why would I feel something if nothing created this? Right. And maybe it's just the beauty of complexity. or the beauty of perfection from chaos. Right, so you could argue that. Sure. Well, I mean, if there isn't God, again, to go back to the Bible, how do you extract idolatry? How do you extract worship of something? What do mean? Because we all worship something or give all of ourselves to something. I'm not sure... People would agree with that though. But, but I mean, if you take away the word worship, some people, all they think about is work, right? Some people, all they think about is the person they're dating. Some people, all they think about is food. Some people, whatever. Whether or not you call it a god or idol or whatever, or that you worship it, giving a hundred percent to something or giving... most of yourself to something is not the lack of your God. It is evidence of it. Whatever you want to call it. In a Christian perspective, Yeah. But from their perspective, all it is is their time and attention that they're giving. Right. And they're like, what they decide to work on. Right. Is that their God? I mean, all other belief systems point to it being their God. There are so many religions out there, so many different views of those religions, because all of them want something to focus on, whether it is, whether they call it a god or it's the universe or it's nature or whatever it is. is a general higher power. Yeah, or whatever it is that someone is preaching. mean, we... Whenever somebody... This is not a mistake. Whenever somebody is talking at you and saying, you know... this is how it is, this is blah, blah, blah. They call it preaching. They're preaching at you. That's fair. And granted, yes, that is because of the vast amount of influence that Christianity has on the entire world. But that's not a mistake. And I mean, that points to God even further because I look at the word history and the only thing I can think now is his story. Think about I don't think that's mistake I think that is a clear sign that God said here is my fingerprint on the very thing that you point to the past with the word That you use for it because it's about me or well not me but him like how do you? So these people are focusing on whatever it is. They are worshipping it They are they absolutely are even if you don't call something that sure well, so you can call it I have an idea. Okay. So we're having a really hard time staying away from the topic of Christianity. We're not going to stay away from it. Yeah. But here's the idea. The question, does God exist? Let's try to argue that God does not exist. Okay. Do want to go first? I'll give it a shot. Sure. Let's see. So recently, I sort of had a little bit of a deconstruction myself and my evidence that God doesn't exist. at least the God of the Bible doesn't exist, is because he promises certain things. And I haven't seen those promises happen. For example, he promises that he will sanctify us. He'll make us more like him and he'll pull us out of our sins and stuff like that. And I've had sins in my life that just, no matter what I do, no matter how I pray, how much I read, like no matter the church that I go to, the church that I don't go to, whatever. That sin is still prevalent. was very frustrated in that season and I just sort of blamed him, but it didn't really disprove like God, but it could have, it could have. If God actually exists and God actually wants me to be more like him and wants to sanctify me, wouldn't he do that lickety split? ⁓ Right. Instead of taking decades. Right. Why would he do that? It makes no sense. Yeah. Also, here's another argument. Everybody says, if something good happens, they say, ⁓ man, God's blessed me. Something bad happens, it's the devil. ⁓ Right? That's just a construct. ⁓ Like it's just like, yeah, there's good and evil because society has taught us that whatever someone does to, against us, for us, whatever, if it's good for us, it's good. If it's bad for us, it's bad. Right? And so really the determinism of morality is us. It's you and me, and then it's society as a whole. Right? Like that's all God is. It's just concept of good and evil. It's a anthropomorphism of our experience. That's a good point. I like that. Because that leads me into... ⁓ By the way, no building off of what you just said. and trying to actually sound like I'm doing what you said to do. The evidence of God would have to be beyond what I guess I know, because all that I know is what I experience. There's this idea that God will not reach people that don't hear the gospel. In a sense, it's like, okay, because they don't experience God, then they don't get saved. If you do experience God, then you get saved. So it sounds like it is purely just an experiential thing. Thus, it's kind of all like that. So all of existence has to be some kind of proper experience, if you will. And really what that comes down to is, I searching for that experience? Am I searching for that right knowledge or something like that? That sounds kind of dumb. To have a right knowledge, that not everybody can get to for whatever reason and it's only one thing. Yeah, everything else is wrong. Everything else is wrong. It seems almost like a battle of culture. Yeah. One group versus another. Yeah. And if you don't experience life the way that I was born and raised, then you're not going to heaven. Yeah. Well, and I think about like math, for instance. I think it was... There was someone in Germany and there's someone in, I don't know, maybe it was in America, I can't remember. But they both came up with the same, you know, this is probably like way before America. anyways. So Native American was... They came up with the same theorem or whatever mathematical thing. It's like, how's that possible? Unless there's order. Unless there's order. That must mean that it is possible to conjure up the right thing on your own. are you that absolute truth? Not absolute truth necessarily, but... Right and wrong. Right and wrong, whatever it is. it's actually right. Yeah. And wrong is actually wrong. Yeah. That's absolute truth and absolute, I guess, falsehood. Sure. But it can just be them over there because, I don't know, they all took the right steps. It's like, well... So maybe it's two different groups of people that landed on the same conclusion, but they just got lucky by landing on the same conclusion. Well, they were searching for it, right? Okay. So it's almost like the experience has to be an active thing. Cause there's some people that aren't searching, right? That aren't actively like gung-ho about it. Like I have to find the truth or I have to find out what the right thing is. That's the best thing I got. That was painful. All right. I'll address yours, you address mine. Okay. Okay. So let me make sure I understand. It seems, God does not exist because it all seems too random. And who's to say what is right and what is wrong? Yeah. Cause there's different groups of people all over the world that say it differently. Yeah. So how is it possible that This one religion is right. Well, first I'd say we're not talking about Christianity being right. Right. I'd say I think every group of people knows that there's a God. Hmm. Whether that God is themselves, like a narcissistic type of character, which I think, or, you know, Buddhists. Not super familiar, but I think it's culturally nature. Hinduism, nature again, I think. Christianity. Judaism the the Judeo-Christian God. Mm-hmm Islam again, I think sort of the Judeo-Christian God Satanists there's a God atheists. Mm-hmm Gotta think about that one. So an atheist Generally believes in abolition and generally believes in the Big Bang. I think the the god of atheism is the universe but yeah Well, the god of atheism is in some way theory ⁓ Cause they try to look backwards and explain the universe. Moving backwards, moving forward as well. And that's science, right? So their, their God is science. And you can guise that as, know, the big bang who created the big bang. Well, the big bang came from nothing. Well, where did that nothing come from? Or you can say, ⁓ their God is their math. Their God is their guesses, their theories and explanations. Their God is whoever has the goaded paper. Right. Their God is the... In some cases, their God is themselves because they just want to choose whatever worldview explains the questions that they're curious about that also supports the behavior that they want to not feel bad about. Yeah. Well, I think to almost refute that. Okay. Everybody knows that there's a God because everybody can create their own God. Right. So it would almost point more towards not necessarily wanting a creator, but wanting someone to be in control. Yeah. Cause we know we're not in a way. Yeah. Right. That's what scientists are doing too, is they're trying to find that control theorem. Yeah. Whatever way that we can actually explain what's going on. And no matter how long we've worked on that, we still can't figure it out. Yeah. It's still way more complex than we can figure out right now. Yeah. So it's... Good point. That's where, that's where like... Experience is the only thing that can be trusted, I guess. Because how do you experience a God if you're not conjuring up that experience, if you will? because also our perception is so limited, like with your cone example, it's so limited. How would we know even if there was? why would that... there was a God? Yeah, if there was a God, why would that, whatever it is that experience was, why would that be evidence? At any point, anybody could just say, ⁓ this is an experience of God. I think that would be an A. good review. Yeah. Yeah. I would say the fact that culturally, cross-culturally, the idea of God exists in most cases is a huge indication of something. Right? Yeah. So if we just choose to ignore 90 % of all of human beings and their collective wisdom and say they're all wrong. They all are just experiencing something that they just want to call God. think we're being daft. We're being ⁓ quite, it's the right word, arrogant. We are not the smartest we've ever been. It's just a fact. ⁓ As our environment around us decays, we live less and less. How do you phrase that? Like we don't live as long. And the proof in that is, well, we are living longer now. Shorter lifespan, that's what it is. Yes. Thank you. We are actually living longer now, but you rewind about a hundred years. It's 1925 and you live in New York. 1925, that's crazy. Yeah. Right. Or you live in Paris. If you live in any one of those places, the sanitation level was miserable. People's lives were shorter because of the... the decay that was around them. And the same way that we can improve that nowadays, it's bound to go backwards. Just because of the law of physics that says everything is going to come to a state of rest. Plug on Genesis 2. Well, that's interesting that you say that because I think of how the future is depicted so often and how I'm just thinking of Ready Player One. Just thinking of where technology is kind of headed right now, where VR, literally, is so, and I mean, I think even AR and AI, all three of those things are heading us in a direction of we're just, we're not going to be out as often. And so the opportunity for what you're talking about is greater for sanitation to go down and for our life expectancy to ⁓ lessen. Because we don't go outside. Because we don't go outside and because we don't care about waste as much because we're not seeing it because we are... focused on unreal problems. I think that I honestly think that that's why the future is depicted that way. I mean, even if you were to watch Back to the Future, Back to the Futures. When Biff was in it. Well, especially when... But, you know, there were signs of or like one of my dad's favorite movies, Fifth Element. Like there's always just so much, it's either air pollution or there's some kind of zone, there's an area somewhere because everything moves upwards and then everything below is disgusting and awful. Well, that's still a heavy amount of decay that's just being ignored. And there's no way that's not making its way into the air and causing issues that we don't understand or whatever. yeah. It's all about that. that one law, which I sadly can't remember the actual name of right now. But everything will come to a state of rest or put it another way, all energy will be spent, will be depleted. And I think they call it the ⁓ heat death of the universe. And so if the universe started from heat death and ends with heat death, we all know perpetual motion machines are total BS. Why do we think the universe started with no energy peaked at the highest energy level it's ever going to start at and then decays from there ⁓ without some sort of external source? It's not possible according to physics. That's interesting. So if it's God or not, whatever you want to call it, there's something that provided the energy for the universe to be here. ⁓ Man, you just made like a lot of people so mad. I'm sorry. sorry. ⁓ I think there was something about global warming in there too. ⁓ That's crazy. Whoops. Wow. Not here to make anybody feel horrible. Yeah. I'm just here to talk about whatever comes up. Yeah. That came up. So. Well, that's, yeah. I mean, there's so much to think about. And just those few seconds. I'm forgetting what your, ⁓ what my argument was. So my, my argument was first from a personal point of view, my experience is God doesn't do much. If he was God, wouldn't he do more? The second argument was see if I can remember. All I can remember was good. It was good. I did say that it was good, I remember it was And I must be God if I said it was good, right? Dang, dude. Shoot. That's crazy. Wow. There's a light magnet. There's an argument. You know, as you address that first one, I'll think about this. So much of our experience is negative, right? Yeah. And so, and I think we literally had this conversation actually back then. And so it's hard for me personally to look at all that is bad, all that isn't happening and saying that's the only thing that's happening. I mean, I think I've brought this up a couple of times on here, but the presence, the existence of God and something not happening cannot, in my mind, be possible if you take into account all the socially accepted awful things that have happened. There are connections that have been made between people, and I mean, this is speculation to some degree, but like, there are connections that have been made between people who had someone die in 9-11. Bonds. Powerful, beautiful, important bonds. And then that, I mean, that's between people. If you look at history, And you look at the awful things that have happened and you look at the religion that probably should be destroyed because of all the better ones that are out there, the ones that feel better, whatever. mean, literally Christianity is made for martyrs, made for the people that are going to get killed. There are entire countries right now that are going to kill you if they find out that you're a Christian. And I don't know how many Christians die a year. But China. From what I've been hearing the last few years is becoming the most Christian nation in the world. Yeah, what? Sorry isn't that just a coping mechanism? A coping mechanism. Yeah, like the world sucks around you. So you got a you got a But how do you some how do you die for something that you're just coping about someone puts a gun to your head? Yeah, you're cope it in different way You're be like, hey, I'll accept whatever the heck you are offering to get that gun out of my head. You're gonna listen to them because when it comes down to it, it's about your life. When it comes to a God, any God, like with my refute, like for my thing, you're conjuring up God. If this God, if you don't believe that this God exists, he's certainly not worth dying. they are not worth dying for. You haven't touched them, you haven't looked at them, you haven't experienced them. Maybe you've read this little thing about it, but like, if you don't believe, I mean, all religions, someone has died for that religion, yes. But, and that's not to say that their God is the right one or whatever, but like, they believe it. It is real. They had some kind of experience. If it is in nature, which makes sense, does someone agree? But like, if it is in nature, like, they... It's real. something there is real. So if you don't believe in a God, you're going to turn your back on them. If you don't believe in that thing, you're going to turn your back on them. So it's like Christians are killed so often. And it's either they're, they know something different. Yeah. That they like. believe in a different way that they're willing to die for. Yeah. Well, it's, it's an- Or they're just stupid. Yeah. Well, I feel like there's, there can be an argument, it's like, okay, well, that was my husband or that was my sister or brother, that was someone that I loved, right? And so of course I'm to be emboldened, but there are people that I've heard of, that I've heard of their faith. And I'm like, I'm going to, that's the fate that- I am called to. have two decisions. Stay. Get the heck out of here. Get the heck out of Dodge. Because why on earth would I want to die for something like that? Why would I want to be tortured? Because there's no way that they're only killed. There's plenty of people that have been tortured. Thrown in jail. You know, had their families killed. Whatever. I mean, just taking into consideration like having someone else suffer because of something that I believe in, there are people being called to martyrdom. And it's not a bad thing. That doesn't seem right. How is it not a bad thing? It's not a bad thing in that, excuse me. It's really bad for them. It points more to the existence of a God because it's one of two things. It's either absolute devotion, or absolute stupidity, right? Yeah. And I'm putting those, I'm saying that they're exclusive from each other because you can get to a point of stupidity where you're like, no. And it's mostly, it mostly has to do with pain. It mostly has to do with this feels wrong. This is going to end me up in a bad situation that I'm going to stay away from it. That's, mean, that's like 90 % of why we don't do things because we aren't comfortable with whatever that is. But there are people that are like, I am so uncomfortable with this, but I'm going to go die. I'm going to go and do this thing. Like, I'm literally, I mean, the word of God says you're going to be persecuted. You're going to be killed. This is what happened to the people that were my apostles. ⁓ Let's go like If there isn't a God yeah, then the thing then we shouldn't be concerned about a higher power We should be concerned about some sickness going around called stupidity and we should be killing off an entire many people Cleansing the stupidity because if I catch it, holy crap It's over. If anybody is, I don't want that for anybody. So I should be honestly wanting to kill the planet. If they're stupid. If stupidity is the thing that can be caught. Because how do you not catch stupidity? Who cares? Like it's, if you die, you die, whatever. Why are we killing all the stupid people? Just let them be. But then you look at the good that comes from things like the Holocaust. you can't, you can't. What did you say? You can't look at the not just the Holocaust. I should say all of also 9-eleven Are you gonna what else are you gonna throw into this evil pot everything? Every every awful thing that has ever happened you cannot look at it and say that there's never been good that has come from it because just like I said in 9-eleven I Guarantee there was somebody 10 years after 20 years after that has met somebody and built a bond and developed love whatever form of love that has to be, tell me that that is wrong. And I will tell you that 9-11 was only evil. If that is wrong, if the result of that is only wrong. But here's the problem. 9-11 didn't have to happen for those two people to meet and fall in love or become friends. it though? No. What would need to happen for somebody... I mean, if everything is random, which... Like if I were to try to refute randomness, I don't know if I could do it. But if everything is random, then the phrase, it's a small world, would not exist. ⁓ Because I guarantee that those people, those same people on so many counts, they'd be like, okay, yeah, small world, okay, a bunch of people died in 9-11. And we can still call that random. There's a lot of people died in 9-11. A lot of people were affected by it. Sure. But then you up finding out, ⁓ they also are like connected to my family or this family that I'm really close to. And they know this person, they were with this person when such and such happened. And like that happens. mean, my grandpa- So you're saying the disaster connected people. The disaster connected people in a way that they wouldn't have connected. in the first place. Because they wouldn't have known the importance of life and connection. Yeah. Okay. Well, there is, there Why does it take something that horrendous? Well, then we, then we go to the argument of there are people who can be told all day long, all day long. They can even be shown the Bible. Yeah. They could read the entire Bible. And if they don't get shot in the foot, punched in the mouth, literally, shoved into the ground, darn near almost murdered, their entire existence, everything they've ever known, demolished, then they're never gonna know. Never gonna get it. They're never gonna understand. But the moment that they realize after they've lost everything, 20 times over, the moment that it hits them, they're like, I had to go through all of that. Because if I didn't, I wouldn't get this. And not everybody's going to go through that, obviously. But when it comes to the Word of God, I mean, when it comes to the Bible, if we're going specifically to Christianity, someone can be shown the entire Bible. This is huge evidence for me. They can have all the experiences that they want in their life, and then they can read one passage one day, you know, hating God, whatever it is that they're experiencing in the Holy Spirit. It could be Genesis 1. The Holy Spirit, for whatever reason, reveals the gospel to them. But they've read it. Maybe it's John 3.16, and they've heard, they've lived in America their entire freaking life. They've heard it a million times. They've read it a million times. They've, whatever. How can they not get it? If we can just know based off of our experience, based off of whatever, if we can just know. based off of our negative experience or positive experience that something exists or something is real or something is the way that it is. How can we read something and not get it? Not understand its significance? I'm not sure I follow. Because my initial argument was if God did exist, wouldn't he do more? But all of that points to him doing everything. Because without God, there couldn't possibly be good. We wouldn't call it good. It would just be whatever feeling and then it'd be fleeting and then what would it develop? And why would it develop even further if it's up to us, especially? you're saying the, the martyr is evidence that this is something beyond just a belief. Yeah. This is something that changes someone so wholly, WHO, that they are willing and able to volunteer to die. Yeah. And they are sane to do so. Yeah. Okay. That's your point. did think of the, other thing. Yeah, I did. You know how I thought of it? I didn't. I prayed and asked God to remind me. so God told me, okay. The argument was, and there's a third question. It's not even the original. Right. God is just an anthropomorphism of good for the individual. What is good? And Satan is just an anthropomorphism of what is bad to the individual ⁓ and nothing more. Anthropomorphism means? It means to take something that is lifeless and attribute human characteristics. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's an excellent argument. Do you me to? That's what I said initially. like, that's a great argument, but it's, this is, this is where the experience from my argument comes in. Because experience is all that we know, right? If there isn't a, what is it, moral law, if there isn't something pointing to a standard, then I don't know if we would have civilization the way that we do. So... Well, yeah, there's a social agreement. There is a social agreement. Yeah. But how does that, how does that transfer to all of civilization? to all of existence. just does. It's based on the individual's experience, like you said. Right. And if it hurts or it's not good for me, then it's you. As a whole, that becomes quite complex because what is good for me is to take what is yours. Right. But that's also bad for you. And so there has to be like a balance when you, when more than an individual comes together, there has to be a balance. There has to be a moral agreement so that Overall, society is following rules that is more good for everybody as a whole, instead of more good for just that one person. Right. I think what ends up coming of that is that no matter what, not everybody agrees. Yeah. So- But if the majority agrees, we're going to hold that person who doesn't agree accountable. Right. And then the question of why. What use is it, God? At that point. Right. If we can come up with our own standards. Right. And that's where it's like, if we are coming up with our own standards, then great. I think that would actually be our God. I think that would be the God that we have. But it's oddly universal, right? It's going to be accepted in most areas that killing is wrong. that stealing is wrong, that you should listen to your parents. then the argument is, we're back. Yeah, we are. We're back, baby. Your brain ain't back. My brain is right now. It's like 142. Yeah. My brain's gone too. It's 1 42 AM. That's what I meant. 142. 142. That's wild. Yeah. Yeah. So we were discussing the, ant Anthropo-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-pho-ph Oh yeah, exactly. It's going really well. anthropomorphism of good and evil being God. you were about to go down the route of what's the purpose, right? Yeah. You think you can handle that? Something about moral law, And if everybody produces the moral law, that means that everybody produces the purpose and if everybody produces the purpose, then how can we all agree on the moral law slash purpose? Yeah. There's something there with purpose. So what's the purpose behind, say, as the individual, if I'm saying something in my experience is good or bad, to what end? So that's a good way to argue that. Another is you only have the limited experience of yourself. You don't have the experience of everybody else. And everybody else doesn't have the experience of all of reality. So who is to actually say what is good and bad? Basically that phrase, like if a tree falls in the forest and no one's there to hear it, does it still make a sound? ⁓ make a sound. right. Or does it still fall? Sure. Yeah. Does the observer make the reality? No. So if that's the case, the idea of good and bad has to come from somewhere else. Because we're observing something that already exists. Yeah. Well, it's like the idea of light too, in regards to darkness. Darkness is the, we refuted this between each other last time. Darkness being the absence of light. If you take the light away, You can't create more darkness. You can't make the darkness more dark. It is just, but you can make it less dark by adding more light. When it comes to morality, the idea of what the darkness is, what the immorality is, is very important. Because it's the absence of morality. Because it's the absence of morality. Where does that concept of morality come from though? Right. And that's the question. Does immorality, if immorality cannot exist without morality, ⁓ then... That's God's signature again. Yeah, that's God's signature. It's like, what is good? Well, it's, you know, I get more things. Okay. Yeah. So if that's the case, if, you know, today was good because I ate well, today was good because I gained this thing, today was good because I got a girlfriend, today was good because, you know, whatever reason. All of that is good by nature. Not because you made good, but because someone else did. Right. So who did? Yeah. Something, someone. Someone who has a handle of all of reality. And that's part of where my argument breaks down is I framed it on the individual. And that's just not reality. There's way more than an individual out there. There's a whole world. Yeah, whole universe. when people try to force others to adhere to their form of morality, that inevitably creates more immorality. Yeah. For example, me stealing from you would be a good thing for me. Yeah. But, you know, anybody else would look at that and say, ⁓ he stole from him. It's like, ⁓ but what about the thing that he got? like, know, not a lot gained a thing today. It was a good day. Yeah. And, and, you know, ⁓ Hitler's morality was, we're ridding the world of ⁓ massive evil. He saw that as a great thing. He wanted that. He believed in that. whether it was right or wrong, like, let's just say the Jews for a second, which I by no means believe this. Let's just say all the propaganda that was being spouted about Jews was right. Like they're destroying society. They should go. Yeah. Is one evil to remove another evil good? And I mean, and then you can bring in the question of, it moral to forgive evil? Any evil that was done against you. Because if forgiveness can be immoral, well, that begs the question of what can be forgiven? can anything be forgiven? If forgiveness... I guess is morally neutral. Is it though? I don't think it is. It's the only way that you can take something that was evil and make it moral again. Make everything, not that the fact that the evil happened. like I said, you can't fight evil with evil. You have to fight evil with good. And the way that Jesus has handled things is he forgave. There was still debt, which he paid. The act of forgiveness forgives that social debt that's still there. You and I were still saved, but we can grieve the Holy Spirit. And it puts a distance between us. I think forgiveness really would be a great argument for the whole moral debate anyways, because the things in which people, not any specific people, but just people are willing to provide forgiveness to... give something like that to someone who has done an evil against them, against somebody they love, whatever. Those things are astounding. But if morality is determined by whoever, by the common people or whatever, then I don't know, that just shatters everything because then all of sudden that person that has decided to forgive has thrown out your morality because they don't care. Throwing out your immorality? Throwing out, well, both. Okay. Throwing out your standard for morality, Okay. Because they're willing not only to say, yes, you did this thing wrong. Against me. Against me. Yeah. And I have every right to... Hold it against you. ...Panish you to the depths of hell in my own heart. But... Yeah, hate you. I am, I am, what's the word? I'm taking that away. Yeah. I'm not going, I'm going to have mercy on you. Yeah. Why? Yeah. What, what, what, how is it good for both of them? How, because it is, how would, is it not in further, how would that ever be wrong? Yeah. How would it, excuse me, how would it ever be evil to forgive, to forgive because you're burning down. It would be, can answer that. So it would be evil for me to forgive when I don't have the authority to do so. So if someone's send against you and I forgave that person on your behalf, that wouldn't be right. You're not following? No, I'm following. Would it not be right? It wouldn't be right. I have no authority to forgive on your behalf. You have to do that. Hmm. Guess who does though? What if? What if that's a good... I like that. think that's a good... cliffhanger that we can just leave for the audience. we're going to go so much further. Yeah, let's keep exploring this entire topic. We could go forever. I think we should definitely talk about this. Next time. Next time. I think that could be our philosophical question. Let's do it. The implications of forgiveness. Wow, check that out. All right, cool. You got any takeaways from this one? Besides that bomb? Yeah. The reliance on expectation, excuse me, on experience is dangerous because it produces that truth and produces that moral argument, moral standard. whether it's actually on the mark of true morality or not. Yeah. That's why it's dangerous. It's not dangerous to use your experience to become better at. Living life. Yeah, it's just bad to become the expert of reality. Yeah from your experience because that's just not possible Yeah, and yes, it is dangerous, but it is also all we have and so it is not saying ⁓ you can't rely on your experiences you can't take it as Full reality. Yeah as full truth, but you can be a good steward of it you can Utilize it and like I say with constantly the past does not define you it informs you right? Yes, that was your experience But if you use it to define you then you're caught up in the past Yeah, you can't change if you use it to inform you then you can move Yeah, and you can wait. Yeah, it's good. It's good my own takeaway. I think deep down we all have this innate knowledge that's God exists in some form or another. And even if we were raised with that knowledge and it's just cultural for us, we also still have the ability to come up with ways to believe what we want. Yeah. Come from their own gods. Like how easy was it for you and I to come up with a few arguments just on the spot? Yeah. And if we really wanted to live the way that we wanted to. without any guilt, without whatever, right? That's the way to go. that's both impressive and terrifying. Because we all know the truth and yet we decide to believe a lie. ⁓ That's everybody. And I'm not so sure I believe the truth. ⁓ I say that I do. I believe, you know, Jesus died on the cross for my sins and... Rosi again on the third day. believe that Romans 10 nine says, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and God raised him from the dead, then you will be saved. I believe all that, but take away from today's conversation. I'm not sure I truly believe that because there is still that portion of me that can come up with that argument. Well, and that's, that's, that's our flesh saying, ⁓ but you know, you could believe something else that feels better. That looks better. That works better for what you want to do. Yeah. Yeah, and that's our human experience for sure. So I think we should wrap it up there. Yeah. What think? Well, this has been quite the episode. Somehow we have successfully had technical difficulties on every single episode. Except for the first. I mean the zeroth. Zeroth. No, we had technical difficulties on that one too. ⁓ yeah, we did. Maybe we need to find some way to have technical difficulties. technical difficulties every time. inside jokers. like this. 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