Lord,

hear me pray,

Lord be my

guide.

I need your

strength

and

your

might.

Lord,

Lord,

Lord

my God,

Lord my

God.

Lord,

Lord,

I need

you now.

I need you

now.

Sir.

Welcome to the Perfumed

Decay

podcast,

where we perfume

our experience with

the Word of God,

and then

talk about the

decay of the world,

talking

about

all else,

but ultimately

integrating

God

and

all his

truth

into

it.

So really this is just a podcast

about

perfume

and how we can spray it

more.

What was the phrase?

Oh, it's

a sentence to die for.

Dude.

Okay.

Okay.

Wait, wait.

So we

generated

a...

What was the prompting?

Generated a

perfumed

decay

logo or

whatever.

Yeah, I can pull it up.

And it was like

80s mixed

in with,

not

cyberpunk,

steampunk

mixed in

with like

rustic,

like earthy kind of stuff.

And it came

up with this awesome

logo.

There's a perfume bottle that's like

cracked in there and there's like

skulls and flowers

and it's like gears

and stuff.

So it's got...

Oh, dude, it's got everything like

neon lights

and...

Okay.

It says religious dark

light, dead

flowers, graveyard,

black roses, pink,

green, perfume,

sweet, decayed,

sour,

disgusting,

rustic, nature combined

with steampunk,

80s retro,

nature as rustic,

cyberpunk.

And it came out with

this awesome thing.

And it just says on there,

assent to die for.

And I'm like, oh

my

goodness.

I think it was...

That gets everything

across.

It's so

awesome.

And I'm so mad that

I didn't think of it.

Right.

But that's why we have AI.

But again, thank

you for joining us

on the Perfumed Decay

podcast.

This is episode

.1

because

we

goofed

and...

Goofed hard.

Goofed hard.

And we did a

three and a half hour episode,

I believe, that had no

audio.

Yeah.

And we are

very top quality

content.

It was pretty freaking awesome.

Like disappointed, man.

Quite honestly,

I...

Yeah.

I keep saying about every episode

that it's a really good episode

and I'm surprised and

I don't...

I need to stop saying that.

But

yeah,

we were sad about that.

We're going to try and rehash

that a little bit.

Steve, we want to touch

on the subjects anymore.

Yeah.

But here on this podcast,

we do try to edify

and entertain.

And we're just

doing our best.

That's really what's going on here.

We finally

have

a lot of things in place that we

will announce later.

And I just realized that I'm

looking at the outro

sheet.

Should we show them the...

The logo?

Yeah, absolutely.

Here we go.

It's pretty sick.

It's so awesome.

Yeah, the crack bottle.

You could die for.

Dude.

Like the detail.

Yeah.

This is like...

It's like first pass.

This is tattoo quality

right here.

Yeah.

And then we

loved

it.

So we wanted to

get more

and it became more

neon almost.

Mm -hmm.

It's like this one right here.

Darker and more neon.

Oh, so good.

So great.

Stephen, what do you think?

All right.

I like this one better.

Yeah.

The glass.

I like that.

It's more clear.

Well, and it's

like it has cracks on

it.

Almost.

Almost.

But they're like filled

in.

Almost.

Oh, is that...

Oh, yeah, that might be it.

Yeah.

It's like roots or something.

Yeah.

It's pretty cool.

So

we

thought, why don't we just

make a actual

perfume and cologne

like merch line?

We didn't talk about that.

Yeah, we did.

We did?

It's in our constitution.

I don't remember that at

all.

But then again, we were

working on things

till late.

Late, late.

So I

don't...

A lot.

But yeah, we

wrote a constitution.

We have a lot of things.

that we

worked on yesterday

and

I'm pretty

hyped about it, but

it doesn't want

you in the thing.

For the first time, it wants to focus

on Stephen.

Good over bet.

Wants his face.

But before

we get into

more of the

podcast, I guess.

Yeah.

There we go.

On episode seven,

we actually talked about

something pretty

important that I want to rehash,

which is putting

in more time, one,

into the podcast,

which we did yesterday.

But if we were going to

put more time into the

podcast,

we should

put more

time into

our time with God.

That's a word.

God's a word.

And that was probably where

I think the rubber

really met

the

road,

hit the road, whatever,

for that

episode.

I think that's why it kind of sticks in

my mind.

That was last episode?

That was last episode.

Wow, guys.

Yeah.

We fumbled hard.

Yeah, we fumbled super hard.

Sorry about that.

I wish we could get that

translated.

And when I say sorry, I'm

sort of apologizing to myself.

Yeah.

Because I really want to think of it.

Yeah, seriously.

Yeah, I was excited about that one.

But

one

of the

things that we

agreed on was that we

were going to spend more time on the

word.

And I brought up that we

should be in

Proverbs.

And so in our group

chat, I've been

sending

what

section of

Proverbs we

are reading.

Because in Proverbs, you know, there's so

many

one

-offs, one

verse that

you can just look at

and, you know, take

anywhere and everywhere

and

just meditate throughout the day.

And that's kind of what I've been doing.

Yeah, that's what I've

been doing lately with

that.

And I just

said that, you know, we should try

that.

Because you don't need to read an

entire chapter.

You don't need to read an entire

story, an entire book,

whatever, in order

to be studying the Word

of God, in order to be spending time

with God.

You know, you just need to find

something that you're willing

to meditate on.

And I'm like, Proverbs is perfect

for that,

to really get

that practice going.

And so

we made

it to, I

believe,

verse 23

in

chapter

1.

We did?

Yeah, that's the one I sent yesterday,

I believe.

Oh,

Proverbs.

Yeah, We're talking Genesis and...

Oh, no, no, no.

So...

Today?

Let's...

I want to know, I want to

hear a little bit of a...

Checking on that, on how

that's kind of going.

I know that Stephen told me that

he read all the way to

chapter 5.

What an overachiever.

I actually read till chapter

9.

Wow!

This guy wants that.

This guy that.

wants He is crazy.

He wants to get through the

story

portion of Proverbs.

I guess so.

Well,

not necessarily,

but basically

the reason is

Michael

put my chat 1

through like 6 or

7.

Yeah.

And I thought it was chapters.

And I was just like, okay,

whatever.

So...

It's a little overachievers.

So, I have

the app on

my phone,

which I had the Bible on,

reads it to me.

So, I was just like

doing computer work and

listening to the book

entirely.

Yeah.

And I kind of enjoyed

it just because

most

of the chapters

actually predicates

towards

learning knowledge.

And I was just

like, wow.

And

I

forget whether

it's chapter 3 or

chapter 4.

And it also

looks at a

self

-reflection too,

in a way.

Not completely, but

as

far as knowledge

that you know,

and that it could be wrong and

false leading even.

I was just like, wow.

That's actually pretty

intense.

Yeah.

Anything else?

No.

I mean, there is

two things that

I can immediately think of, like the

garland.

Listen to your parents

for what

they teach you is like

a garland.

I think it's around your head.

And I

probably thought of it this

way, but you

grow up

despising the

discipline like a fool.

But really,

it's a gift that

they're giving to you because they're

making you

like them.

Sure.

Yeah.

And if they're good people,

that's a great thing.

If they're following God's

word,

that's a blessing

beyond words.

And so yeah, it's a garland.

It's also like you're carrying

their name.

So they're passing that

beautiful thing down to

you in a way.

And so yeah,

obey your parents and be

respectful of them

and and

accept

their discipline discipline.

and submit to them and

everything, because

they're giving

something to you.

They're hewing you –

is that the right word?

– out of rock, out of

stone,

not homing,

or whatever.

They're chipping away at

the sinful

exterior that

comes with a

babe, right?

Yeah.

And I think

to that point, it's not

necessarily like

how

we

don't understand what

God is doing and how He

does things.

We don't understand how our

parents are doing

things, because we haven't seen their

experience

and what's

informed what they

are doing,

right?

And so, yeah,

that's a good point, because

to them,

it is kind of like that perspective

of,

hey, I did things wrong,

and I didn't

get whatever

specific experience.

I want to give you that

experience, or as close as I can

get you to that,

because

of what

I've experienced.

So, yeah, that is a gift.

That's fair.

Yeah.

And the other

thing that stood out to me

was the

–

how wisdom – I guess

I got two other things.

How wisdom was in the streets,

just like shouting.

And not only shouting, but

like trying to get everybody's

attention.

And anybody who would listen,

she would wise up,

she would teach them, and

they would benefit

from it.

But she would pay

no mind to anybody

who

just

walks by

or scoffs.

And I saw myself as a

scoffer.

It's like a person

who's arrogant

and overconfident, and they

think that they know everything.

I know

better than that.

Come on.

And then the hanging

out with the crew, the

crew that wants to

steal,

kill,

destroy, mostly

just going to

people's houses,

kill the people that are there,

and steal all their stuff,

and how

that lays a trap for

themselves.

And they're such fools that they

don't see how it

could come full circle and

bite them.

It's like the concept of

you live by the sword, you die by the

sword.

I don't know if I ever mentioned

this to you guys, but I

loved money so much

coming out of high school that

– well, I had a

chip on my shoulder because I went to

a school where there was

some rich families and stuff

like that.

And I got to experience

that and enjoy that.

But instead of enjoying it, I

just became jealous of it.

So I had a chip on my shoulder, and I

wanted money, and I loved it.

And so I seriously

considered

getting

into something illegal,

like not drugs or anything, but

women's trade.

And nothing like big

game, big times kind

of stuff, but

maybe

down the road.

It's like a drug you

kind of keep going.

So my idea was

selling illegal

knives

to

California residents,

because it's not

illegal here, but it is

there.

So that would be a supply route that

I could run.

And then another

idea was using

the dark web,

like over tour and stuff like

that

on say

Silk Road,

which is like the eBay of the dark

web

to

sell those

weapons and their drugs.

And I actually watched a

documentary,

I believe it's called

How

to Be a Drug

Dealer, How

to

Get Rich Selling Drugs, I

think it was.

Great documentary.

It was really good.

And it sort of wrongly

inspired me to get

into it.

But at the same

time,

huge blessing I saw.

If I get into

this arena,

no matter how

cautious I am

and how

separated I am from

the actual

world

of

violence

and crime,

because I'm separating myself

anonymously through

tour and dark

web stuff.

There is a

very real possibility that

one day I would have to kill someone

in defense

of my own life.

And when that happens,

you have to,

number one, bear that burden of

you killed someone doing

something that you shouldn't have

been doing.

So there's really no reason that person

should be dead.

And number two, you got to explain

that to the cops.

But that didn't really

matter to me.

Obviously, that would matter.

But the thing that hit me the most

was like, I might have

to kill someone in

defense of my life, or I

might die at the

hands of someone

who's in the game.

And I just don't

want to be a part of that.

And so that's what Proverbs

is talking about is like, these

fools are robbing

people's homes, killing

families,

and taking

everything,

and they're rich,

and they're living in their mansions,

and they're blowing it

on the strip.

Every night, a twizdom

yells

and

And at they the end and of the

day, a bigger

fool comes into

their house, kills them all,

and plunders their house.

And it's not that hard because

if

you're

doing that, that game

of like robbing people,

eventually you're going to rob the wrong

person.

And that person is

going to do it right back to

you.

And they just can't see that.

And so the idea is

don't even walk

down the same street that they're on,

literally.

Don't even be

seen with them.

Don't be with

them when

you're beyond

seen either.

Like just being in their

territory puts you

at danger, at risk.

And I mean, we met a

cool guy this morning.

We'll just call him Mystery.

Mystery,

he had to escape

Texas

to

avoid his crowd of friends

that were walking

a dangerous path.

And he knew he

had to leave.

We could totally have

him on the path.

Yeah, we could just thought of that.

Yeah, it's crazy.

He had to leave

because

he knew that he couldn't

trust that he would

walk that same

path.

Because they've been walking that path
that

grass has beaten down.

And it's just like, no

matter how strong

-willed you are, habits are

habits.

And like you might

get back into it.

So total separation,

going to a different

city, different state

entirely, so that you

don't walk down those same

paths with those same

people.

He even said they love

his wife,

they love his family,

they're super close,

he cares about them deeply.

They're not like terrible

people, they're just

doing something that he

cannot do anymore.

And

because

he could see the damage, he could

see how it was foolish.

It's foolish, but it's also

like those were his

closest friends.

Yeah.

Still are.

Yeah.

And I could see the

pain of having

to make that decision of moving

away.

He doesn't have to walk down that

path.

But I was like, well,

hopefully one day those friends will

come and walk down your path.

It sucks when

you're the first one.

And it's not guaranteed

that you'll

ever see them come with

you.

But it only

takes one to

reshape everybody's

lives.

Because at that point they see

how they've been foolish.

Usually it comes down to a false

belief, right?

Right.

Yeah.

Nice.

And that's what Proverbs is about,

is taking those false beliefs

and exposing them

for what they are.

But you just got to listen, can't

scoff at it.

So that was my takeaway.

How about you?

Yeah, I

just,

for me Proverbs

has

just been a weird, I

guess, experience.

I keep focusing

on verse

7, at the favor of the Lord, as

the beginning of knowledge.

Fools despise wisdom and

instruction.

Because

the

first seven verses are

Solomon explaining

that this is what

the Proverbs are for.

Right.

The garland and the

sweet

aroma.

Is that what the second verse is?

No.

The next,

well, 8 and 9

say, hear my

son your father's instruction.

Do not forsake your

mother's teaching.

Indeed, they are graceful, well,

mindsets, graceful wreath to your

head and ornaments about your neck.

I think it was verse

2 or 3 is what I'm

thinking of.

Proverbs.

To know wisdom and instruction, to

discern the sayings of understanding,

to receive instruction in wise

behavior, righteousness,

justice, and equity.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that's what

the whole thing is about.

Oh, actually no.

Verse 7, sorry.

Yeah.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of

knowledge.

Fools despise wisdom.

Yeah.

And so I'm kind of just

looking at it purely

through that perspective,

which is not

wrong to do, obviously,

because that's kind of what this is

all about.

But I'm trying

to, I

guess, look at,

like you

were saying, like you've

kind of viewed yourself as a

scoffer.

Okay.

So where

am

I falling

into that in

my life?

What am I scoffing at?

What am I

looking

at through

maybe a

prideful

view,

perspective, whatever?

And that's why I like that we're

taking this in

little chunks because

really it's just giving

tons of different...

Bites.

Yeah, bite -sized

pieces of what

it looks like to be the

fool, what it looks like to

be that sinner

that is falling into

temptation and all

that.

Right.

And then we get to

live our life

that day and

see how, like, we

can't just forget it.

And I mean,

for me, it was like, oh,

yeah,

you do tend to

scoff.

You do tend to

forsake

discipline and stuff

like that.

Well, and even

just reading, like,

it's so easy to just

read this and then

to leave it.

And in a sense, That is a

form of being a fool.

because you're not

looking at it

for what it is,

which is

instruction,

which is being

corrected.

And

that's

why it says the

fear of the Lord.

We should be fearing

God as we're

reading through this, as

we're meditating on

these words and

acknowledging that these

aren't small.

These aren't

like something that

we can just pass by

and taking in a bite -sized

piece is important because

we need to

really

wrestle with it.

What are the implications of

this?

And also, like

we do on this podcast,

we're kind of just

falling

more in love

with the Word of God.

And

I

think you had said when

I had brought up doing

this in Proverbs

that it's

harder for you

to

dive in a

little deeper like we do

on your own,

right?

But it's like, yeah, but

we're

told

that

we should be

doing that

in

our own

time,

sitting down with the Word of

God.

I think the

disconnect for me

is that

when we're

here and talking with each

other, I have immediate

feedback

from your mind

that has nothing to do

with mine.

And the problem with

reading God's Word is God

is silent most of the

time,

or at least in my experience.

And he whispers

and

he shows instead

of tells.

And that's just really hard for me

to maintain that

focus,

to be able to see it.

And so it's like a

long -form conversation,

like nothing like our podcast,

which can be like two to four

hours, right?

It's 24 hours.

It's a few weeks, a

few months.

And so that's where it gets

difficult for me to like really

dive deep

into a single

verse

because

the dialogue

is sort of

stunted in a way.

That makes sense.

And I think,

especially for the edification

portion of this

podcast,

not only for our

audience, but for us,

this is an opportunity

to,

oh,

you know,

Michael has a certain

perspective that we can

draw from how he

asks questions.

Maybe I can just ask those

same questions or similar

questions and apply

them to those verses.

Oh, Daniel, he

also

has another

perspective.

And then when

Stephen

says something,

it's kind of like, oh,

that's the culmination of all

of it.

And I

can take

those

small snippets

of what Stephen says

and try

and do that myself,

like get into

what the

full thing

is that's going on

and then kind of

ask the questions,

go down the rabbit

holes,

dive in

and

speculate and

whatever

like we

do.

Because I mean, that's what's been

valuable for me is

getting to take your guys'

perspective and try and

apply it myself when

I'm reading through

the Bible.

It's almost like

taking

different

people's

perspectives and learning how

to have that conversation

by yourself.

Yeah, in your own head, yeah.

Good.

Yeah, hopefully that's

what our listeners

take away too.

Yeah, absolutely.

Because that's, I mean,

it's valuable

when you have the

people, but what if you can

have that in

your own

time?

And in a

sense, we

do

have that because

we have our

past,

we have our present, we have

our hopes for the future,

we have our personality,

we have our wrong

perspectives and maybe

right perspectives

and then

we

have the Holy

Spirit, right,

and who's ministering to

us the whole

time and then we

also have the Word of God,

which is God communicating

with us.

And in a sense, there

is a conversation

that's going on.

We just don't view it as a

conversation.

We view it as

what is

and we

sit

in that all day long

so we don't acknowledge the

other voices that are going on.

Yeah, it's like

discipleship is really

what it is.

I've heard a lot of different takes

on what discipleship is, but

the most

common is

being in people's

lives,

kind of like how you're talking about

it.

So it's like going to the store

together,

going and working out

together, going on a hike together,

doing life, just doing life,

literally going in grocery

shopping together,

or cooking a meal

together, or

figuring

out the taxes together,

like mundane things.

And through through that process,

you have little one - -off conversations

or one -off

realizations together.

And if the Spirit's with us,

which He is, like, that's

happening too.

And if we

have the Word of God

giving us

the hard truth,

thinking of engineering, coding,

so we call it hard coding.

If you write something

as like a

constant variable in the

programming,

so I'm thinking of the Bible as the

hard -coded truth.

Yeah.

Right.

So if we

read and

reread the hard -coded truth,

we're resetting all of the

variables

in our mind that can go

wonky.

And they go wonky because

our

original

father of

humanity, Adam,

I say original because now it's

Jesus,

he chose

to eat from

the tree

of the knowledge of good and

evil.

And our effective

conclusion of that was

it

allowed

him and Eve

to decide

was moral and

immoral.

Yeah.

Which… In their own minds.

In their own minds, in their own

perspective,

which is why Paul says,

if you know something to be

wrong and you do it, you have

sinned.

If you know that

it's not a sin and you

do it,

what is it, like, glory to God

or something like that?

Basically, sin and not sin

sometimes comes down

to your perspective.

And I believe that came from that

tree.

And so, where am I

going with that?

That comes in

with the variables.

And I say variable on purpose

because

we are variable.

Like things change.

Our perspectives change, our thoughts

change, and they

wander, they float away.

And we're not always aware

of it.

But if we go back

to

the all of those things back in the

order, that makes sense.

Why is this shaking so much?

Oh, it's my leg.

Oh, I'm like… I have

wrestled.

Is yours shaking?

Your mic?

I can hear mine shaking.

You can hear it?

Shake, yeah.

Oh, well, maybe I'll just

stop shaking.

Sorry, I

just…

I'll slow

down then.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's good.

Yeah.

Should we…

Is that our life check -in?

Yeah, that's our life check -in.

Do we want to add

cherry on top?

Let's say, highlight of the

week.

Oh, yeah.

I'll start.

I am pretty

much done in

terms of

fleshing out

my tabletop

role -playing game.

All of roles.

And… Let's call that…

R -O -L -E

of R

-O -L -S.

That's awesome.

I love that.

Yeah.

And I am currently working

on the official handbook,

and it's really just

putting pen to paper.

And it's just flowing like

crazy.

I love it.

I had this epiphany

a little while

ago, where I

realized that

the name, Roll

of Rolls… I came up with that

right away.

It was like, just, Roll of Rolls.

The rolls need to be important.

That's what I told myself.

And I'm like, okay.

And I mean, duh, it's a

dice role -playing

game.

You know, you're rolling dice.

Your dice make

the things happen.

Yeah, it's picky.

I like it.

Yeah.

But I'm sitting

there, and I'm like, wait,

I'm an idiot.

This is the sixth

iteration

of this system.

I've been working upwards

of three or four

years

on it.

It's gone through so

many different phases.

It started off being

basically just as

convoluted and crazy

as D &D.

And now

it's as simplistic as

ever as

it could be.

And in the

name, Roll of Rolls,

I literally sat

there, and I'm like, oh my gosh,

what if everything is

about your

roll?

And I'm like, oh,

your roll… Because before,

the idea was that you

roll the D20

once,

and that

determines your damage.

It determines

what you can

actually do.

And you just need to roll

once.

It's really it.

You don't need to roll any other die,

any other type of die.

It's just the D20

once.

And it just

does everything for you.

Sets everything in place.

Yeah.

And then I was like, wait, what

if we just take that even

further?

And the

availability of

success on

the D20 is

your health.

And when you take damage, it takes

away a number.

And there

are different conditions,

different effects, different things that
can

happen that can

hinder your

ability to

roll successfully.

And I'm like, that's great.

Because the only thing you're thinking
about is

one thing.

What is that?

Your roll.

Your roll.

R -O -L -E.

R -O -L -S.

And then at the same time,

because the system is built

to where you have

one thing that you're

really, really good at, you're better

at it than everybody ever.

else.

Because your roles

become...

Because of your...

R -O -L -L -S.

I'm just saying LS.

Yeah, because of the

availability of success

to you

is higher

because

every other stat

starts off at

a 25 % chance

to roll successfully,

but your main stat

is a 50%,

so which is drastic,

right?

And so,

you

have to play your role,

R -O -L -E -S,

roles.

Your...

No, that...

Just call it L -E.

L -E.

You have to play

your L -E

and

worked

with everybody else.

So you're focusing on two things, your

role and your role.

That's it.

I like it.

And really, your role

is dependent on your

role.

Oh,

your LS

is dependent on your L

-E.

Yeah.

And

I've...

Yeah, I'm just writing that high

and writing the

handbook.

I'm just really loving it.

The...

When a

project or a concept

is getting good,

it gets less complicated,

right?

So I like it.

What about you, Steven?

Any highlights this week?

Mm.

He got to hang out with his best buds

yesterday.

Pretty much.

Yeah.

And today, man,

sleepover at

Daniel's house or...

No, I'm full of port.

Hello port.

With one pillow.

That was sad.

We just put it on our heads.

Scrunch it up.

I don't know what happened.

Yeah.

Not much.

Trying to strategize

for

when

I move out.

As I was telling

Daniel last night,

I have

quite a few situations

I have to figure out.

So I have a 55

gallon tank

and a 10

gallon, which the 10 gallon,

not really worried about.

And I have fish in each

one,

but 10

gallon, I can just move and

reset up like within

half a day, basically.

No problem.

It's the

55 gallon I

have to really worry about.

And

taking care of

all the fish and kind of just

strategizing.

Then I

have a twin bed

that I've had since

middle school.

Wow.

Yeah.

And it might be even before that

few years.

And I've pretty much outgrown

it.

Yeah.

As one does.

Yes.

From middle school.

But the

problem I have

is I want to get

a double or

a full,

whatever, however you want to call it.

And then I have to figure out

if I want to keep

the bed for a little bit

or just

sell it right away and

get rid of it and get a new

one.

Be done with it.

So yeah.

And then I have to figure out a

desk too.

Oh yeah.

So didn't talk about that one.

And like the whole fish set

up if you want to

put it in your room

or if there's going to be extra

room at

the place.

I guess the three

of us will talk about it more, but

on our own.

But it's just like what size

of room am I going to have and

how much space am I going to

have in the room

and are we going to have an

extra room?

Yeah, we all are.

To figure out.

In the living room might have a

tank.

The 55 or

a bigger one.

Yeah.

Michael, what did you call it yesterday?

He said this is the first time I move

it out and you said last

night, you're not going to say.

Bold of you to think that I

remember anything.

I remember it because it was very

inappropriate.

You said, oh,

popping your moving cherry.

Yes,

dude.

I'm excited to pop that cherry.

We're all disgusting.

I shouldn't have brought it up.

I'm sorry.

Popping all the cherries, you know,

you discussed the moving

cherry.

I don't

know.

You know, you say

disgusting.

I'm literally thinking about cherries.

Like, because have you ever, it's

a phrase.

Have you?

I know.

I know.

It's a phrase.

I know what it means, but it's like when

I think about eating a cherry,

it's like a burst of flavor.

Oh, okay.

Which ones, the ones that have been

like, um, pickled

in like sugar and stuff like that,

like the bright red

ones.

Yeah.

Oh, those ones.

The candied.

Maricino or whatever.

Yeah.

Whatever it's called.

Those are bomb .com.

Oh, they're very good.

Yeah.

Although a

good ripe

cherry.

Oh, oh yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, it, it, it,

what, however you get

a pair of greens.

It's so good.

I've been pounding

those.

They really are like a burst of

flavor.

It's great.

And so I,

now you're making me excited.

I got some fruit at home.

Did.

Got some like plenty of

grapes.

Did.

I like two buckets,

not buckets, but like huge

like containers of

blueberries.

Oh, dude.

I love that.

And one thing that I just tend to do,

I don't know why I do it, but

I tend to just leave

everything in the fridge until it's

like almost bad.

I really don't want to do that this

time.

Don't do it.

Okay.

At least don't do it to the blueberries.

Oh, I'll try not to.

Daniel, what is your

highlight?

My highlight.

I would say,

man, I, my family always,

uh, we do highs and lows.

On the weekend.

And they always accuse me

of, they, at first

they make me go

last, um, because

they accused me of talking the most.

So they'll take like 10

minutes maybe to go through theirs

and like, I'll take up the

rest of the time, like 30, 40,

50 minutes, just

talking and talking and

talking.

Oh, and this high.

Oh, and that high.

Oh, and this high.

Um, I just want to

tell details.

You know, um,

cause that's what makes it a high.

I want you to experience that with me.

Right.

Um,

so this

week with that

being said, I'll stick to

two.

Just two, just two things.

Yeah.

Um, 20 minutes each.

And all the details.

So, um,

the first thing is

I, uh,

I installed a

tactile

transducer known

some as a

butt kicker

known to me and

my friends as the electric

chair.

Um, right.

In my car.

Yes.

Um, and it

vibrates

your chair,

um, to the

music.

And so I had to,

uh,

cut into the,

the driver side

speaker, um,

like pop the whole door apart

and everything and,

uh, splice a wire

in there to get a signal.

Um, I

first put

resistors in line,

which basically,

um, makes it

so the amp

that I'm sending the signal to

doesn't get too much

power.

Um, cause this

is enough power to actually

drive a speaker, which

is too much power for

signal.

And so I put

transistors in place

and, uh,

GPT told me, uh, to

put a 10 K

resistor, 10 K

Ohm, um, meaningless

most people, but a lot of

resistance.

Um, so it would step

down, uh,

let's say 20

volts of

energy down to like,

uh, something like

two volts around there.

Uh, so a lot.

And so it

worked, but it

was almost too

quiet.

And I, I ramped

the amp all the way to a

hundred.

Um, I did

the, uh,

um, you call it the high pass

or the basically

whatever caps the

subwoofer's

frequency range.

Mm -hmm.

It's like five to 200

Hertz and you can go any

anywhere in between there.

Um, and it'll

ignore whatever range

you're at, uh, and

above.

Um,

so I, I pumped that up to

200 so I could get as much

vibrations as possible.

Right.

And it still wasn't enough.

Um, so I

spent

lunch yesterday,

I believe, or the day before

rather, um,

my lunch break, uh,

replacing that,

uh,

10 K Ohm with a 5

.1 K Ohm resistor

and something

went wrong and it

just didn't have signal at

all,

which sucked.

Sucked.

So I just went on Amazon

and I bought what they call

a LOS,

um, module

or whatever.

I don't know what you call it.

Don't ask me what it stands for honestly,

but it's doing the

same job of like taking

a strong signal

and cutting out

all the noise,

um, and reducing

it to a signal strength.

Um, so I finally got

that yesterday,

I believe,

and on my lunch break

again,

I wired that in,

um, and it's

wonderful.

It works like a charm.

And I have future plans for that.

I told you the,

uh, uh, yesterday

I mentioned when

we were walking in the door after getting

coffee, I said, I

bought a DSP and

you're like, what is it?

DSP?

And I'm like, I don't know.

Don't ask me.

I'll tell you what it does.

And then we got distracted and I didn't

tell you what it does.

Um,

so Steven's heard this twice

now.

You'll get to hear it first.

Now he'll get the third.

Okay.

He can tune out if you want.

Essentially what the DSP is going

to do is,

um,

uh, well, let me tell you the problem

first and what the DSP

does to solve it.

So the

DSP

solves the

problem of,

um, there's

certain frequencies that the book

kicker, uh, just

vibrates

really, really

powerfully.

And then like a

neighbor frequency,

just not

as powerful.

It could be the same volume,

but it's just not as powerful

feeling.

Um, and it's something to do with

the, um,

harmonics of the device

itself.

Uh, you know, how you go into a room

and you sing a specific note and it seems

like the whole room is like vibrating

as the harmonics of the

room.

Right.

So every material has

that.

And so does this device.

Um,

so I'm thinking something to do

with that.

But what I can do is use

the DSP to

isolate each frequency.

So like five hertz, six

hertz, seven hertz, all the way up

to 200 hertz.

And I could do a volume

test for each

hertz level.

And basically

test it and increase

the volume for each

frequency.

So that to me,

what I feel is

the same level of power.

But what the DSP

is

changing is the

volume for each frequency.

So it's as if

I'm changing

volume for audio,

but because it's not audio anymore and

it's vibration,

it's

shifting

from a volume

issue

to a

vibration issue

and a harmonics issue.

And so it's going to level out the

power of the feeling

of each frequency

shaking the chair.

And that way you can feel

the whole range

as

it was intended by the artist.

So it's feeling music

as it was

intended to be listened

to.

Nice.

Yeah.

Crazy.

That'd be cool.

Yeah.

And I also have a

date tonight.

Nice.

Yeah.

Going to Scootin' Boots.

Some country swing

dancing.

Boots skating.

Exactly.

And the

girl I'm going with,

we'll call her

Miss S.

Miss S.

Okay.

That's better.

That's funny.

That's kind of like saying Misses,

but...

Miss S.

Miss S.

Yep.

Yep.

Yep.

Yep.

Yep.

It's okay.

Well, it's not that it's just like

there's usually too many women.

Yeah, and they can't find dance

partners Yeah, and so they end up

dancing with themselves dude.

I totally want to rage bait

them Why cuz that'd be

awesome Steven would

you lead you I

definitely want to stand

there and be like kind of looking

around And then like

even yeah

And then like

like kind of mine like

Yeah, like no

you have to wait for some

girls to come up like

both of you guys Be

like oh

no, thank you.

Yeah, and then go and then go

to

Good stuff

man.

All right, should we jump into

Genesis?

Yes.

So here

we are

Before we

really

Dive in

let's

so last time we

really did have some

good conversation

Oh, yeah, but

we only got one person

which is not

crazy for us

I'm gonna read that

for I'm gonna read that first verse

Just to give

an idea level so I'll go

over kind of

what the through line

was in our

conversation

and

Just to give an idea because it

really was I don't know

there were some interesting topics

There was some fun things that

we kind of got into

and it was

just I don't know It was a good

episode.

But so the first

verse in chapter

Now the man had relations

with his wife Eve

and she conceived

and gave birth to

Cain and she said I have

gotten a man -child

With the help of

the Lord and we laughed about man -child

last time too

And basically I brought

up that

it's kind of

cool that Eve

Acknowledges that she has

been been gifted

a child with

the help of the Lord

Which kind of led us back

into talking about

the curse and

how you know,

it made

childbearing a

little more difficult and

how that probably

Motivated this idea

of her acknowledging

the help of the Lord

From there

it kind of

went into

us talking

about

Life expectancy

talking

about

What it would have been

like to live

back then

and then

eventually we got

into

intermarrying kind of

talking about the genetics

of

The

time before

you skipped over

one of the through -line

points.

What's up?

I focused in on

The way that she

said it like it was kind

of weird

She said

that well

I've gotten the man

is kind of or man

-child whatever like

it's a weird way to say that

And then I

also just was thinking

through that like from her

perspective.

That was the first time

Anyone was born of a

oh, woman.

Oh, right right, right.

Yeah, yeah.

The first time

a...the

second person was created, it

came from God and

man.

So it came from Adam

when he

was split.

And so from her

perspective, this is kind of

strange.

Like this is

a new

thing.

Well, and from there we kind

of...we also had brought

up

that maybe

this wasn't the first

kid.

How, you know, they've

been in the garden...they were in the
garden for a

little bit.

They knew they were naked.

And they were commanded to be fruitful.

Yeah, and they were commanded to be
fruitful,

so...

But it's also like they

could have been in the garden for

like a few days

or like years.

Yeah, we don't know.

Jewish tradition usually

leaves the

women out,

the children,

that is.

Although I do believe that when they're

tracking genealogy, they follow the

mother.

Sure.

But they...like you're

looking at stories in the Bible,

usually the women

and

the girls

aren't mentioned

unless they're absolutely

critical to the

story.

Yeah.

Right.

And I think from

that conversation,

we got into

intermarrying

how that kind of...

Yeah, you kind of just like

popped into your

head.

You're like, well, we're going

random anyways.

Yeah.

Who do you think they married?

Yeah.

I was like, well, their

sister, their brother.

And then I'm

like...and just to

kind of throw it out there, I'm like, you
don't think

that maybe, you know, they

got just split up

different portions of Adam and

Eve into different regions

or whatever.

And I was

offended.

Right.

Then we got into talking

about genetics,

the difference from back

then and...

Why?

Why genetics?

Because

genetics

nowadays...well,

okay, we were talking about

the deterioration

of...that

is a result, I guess,

of the fall now

and how

marrying your

sister, having

children was okay.

Was okay.

Was okay back then, yes,

and how it is

now

because

of the issues that can

come from

it.

But it wasn't back

then because,

I mean, we're talking about,

I guess,

not as

deteriorated.

Yeah, almost perfect.

Well, and because especially

talking about Adam and Eve, they

are

the

first people.

They were literally

perfect.

And then they're

the ones that fell.

So their genetics specifically,

you know, would

be fine.

What's the perfection?

Close to perfection.

And so their children would just

be less and less.

Right.

And

the whole concept

of genetics, like

I compared it to dogs

and

different kinds of species.

But the

wolves, dogs,

you can breed them

and

isolate certain

characteristics or

traits or

expressions

of genes.

And you get to a certain base

level,

like the poodle, for example,

where you've got almost

no

diversity

of genetics

anymore.

And every poodle looks

the same,

which isn't true.

I know that's not true.

But the

picture,

imagine the picture of

the white poodle

with the weird

cut

hair with the

pom on its tail,

like that.

Yeah, right.

That's base level.

You can't go backwards

from there.

You can't take

two poodles

and

have them

go back to a wolf.

It's just the information is gone.

Yeah.

Like the effect of

isolating that

genetic expression

effectively

removed

all the information

that existed

beforehand so that you

get a poodle every single

time.

Like it's not just underlying.

It's not just dormant

DNA.

Like it's gone.

Yeah.

Right.

So when you

start fresh in

humankind with like

perfect DNA, it's got

every expression of every

person we've ever seen

in our

lives and in history books

and everything.

Adam and Eve,

Asian,

European,

African,

whatever else, anything else you

could think of.

All those expressions of

the way that people look,

that was all

in their DNA.

And so that's why it

was effectively safe.

Like if I go and marry someone from

India, no issue.

Yeah.

Because our genetic diversity

is

spread

enough that it won't

cause issues.

And the

reason for that is because of

mutations.

If like mutations are really

common nowadays, if your kid has a

mutation

and

it has bad DNA

from dad, but

it's got the same DNA

from mom.

The mom's DNA will be expressed.

And it's a bit more complicated than

that.

Yeah.

But that's the general gist.

Fun fact.

That's how you can get partially.

lactose intolerance.

Because you have one chromosome

that has

the ability to make

that enzyme and you have

another that doesn't.

So partial.

Interesting.

Right?

Well, cool.

That's the term for

recessive genes.

Recessive.

Is it?

I think that's a different thing.

Recessive is like

it's been folded

into the core

of the DNA.

And so it's not expressed

epigenetically.

In ways,

yes.

But recessive is

also from

basically

a

standpoint of that's

why in

case of like

mother and father,

father will usually

recess

genes

into

a...

And like let's say you have a

son and a

daughter.

The daughter will usually

take traits of the

father and

the son will usually take

traits of the mother

more.

Okay.

The way I learned

recessive genes is

like through eye colors and stuff.

We're like brown, I think

it's the most common.

Like it's more if you got a

brown eyed mom and a

blue eyed dad,

like you're probably gonna have...

You sure?

Blue eyed seems more

common.

I mean, whichever is which,

right?

One has a dominant trait and the other

is a recessive trait.

Yeah, we could look it up.

We'll take a pause on

this.

Switch to...

Is this working?

Make sure.

Sorry guys, technical

difficulties and

such.

Why is it not transitioning over

there?

No, here, I'll see if I'm

right or wrong.

I'm hoping that you guys can see this

browser.

We got GBT up.

All right.

You wanna ask your question, Steven?

Are you gonna go with the

eye then?

Yeah.

Are blue eyes or

brown eyes more common?

Which is

a recessive trait,

which is a dominant trait.

Let's get rid of this front

part.

See what GBT

says.

Short answer, brown eyes

are way more common and

brown is dominant while

blue is recessive.

Here's the clean breakdown.

Brown eyes, about 70 to 80 %

of the world's population.

Blue eyes, 8 to 10 %

globally, which is higher

in Northern Europe.

There we go.

That's like the poodle thing,

right?

In Europe,

the common idea

was to

maintain your

genetic purity through

the rural line, right?

I don't know if

that culturally

was more

common in Europe

because of that or something,

but it's

what you get.

You think about pigment.

Brown has more pigment.

Blue has less pigment,

right?

Every baby has blue eyes

until pigment comes in.

Let's check that.

Does every human baby

have blue eyes before

the pigment starts

filling in?

And I really hope everybody can see

this.

Short answer is no.

That's a myth.

Oh,

some babies are born with blue

or gray eyes,

but many are born with brown

eyes from day one.

What's actually going on?

At birth, melanin production may be

low, especially if babies

are European.

In those babies, light scatters in

the iris, making the eyes look blue

or gray.

In the first six to

12 months, sometimes after three

years, the melanin production

increases and darkens the

eyes.

Why does the myth exist?

Many newborns do

start with the light colored

eyes,

which turn

into different colors

like green, hazel, brown, and later.

And then that got generalized

into all babies have blue

eyes.

Babies that do not start with

blue eyes,

African, Asian,

and indigenous

Americans, so Native

American, I guess.

Mediterranean, Middle Eastern

are frequently born

with brown or dark eyes

immediately.

Their melanin production in iris

is already active at birth.

Can eye color

still change if born

brown?

Yes, way less common.

Brown to lighter is rare.

Blue gray to darker is common.

So I guess the truth is complicated.

I was just like

reality.

Man, I really hope everybody can see

that.

I don't know why it's not

showing up on our thing here.

Let me look up.

Look up what?

Oh, you'll go to the

live.

Good idea, Steven.

All right.

Transitioning.

We're back, folks.

What were we talking about?

We were just recapping

what we talked about last time.

Yeah, that's pretty much where that led

us.

And then

to lead

us into the decay

portion of last

episode.

Oh, oh.

What?

One more thing.

Okay.

Sorry.

So I started

transitioning here

multitasking.

I also

realized that

for

people back

then,

incest was not even

a thought.

It was not a concept.

It became a concept when

God made it a concept.

Yeah, it's kind of like when you...

It's not awkward until you make it
awkward.

Yeah.

And so it was

not

genetically dangerous

for them.

And it was also not

psychologically

psychologically

damaged.

damaging or

dangerous for them.

Because God had

not made it

weird yet.

Now,

my brother always is talking

about this.

It's technically safe to

marry

a

cousin

or a

second cousin,

and then especially a third

cousin.

If you're marrying a third cousin,

it's basically stranger.

But just

culturally now,

that's still strange.

And we think of like

deep south.

Yeah.

Well, I think

in

America, it's

definitely a cultural

problem.

I wonder

if

in other cultures,

it's not as much.

It's a good one.

You want to see the B .P.?

I don't.

If you do,

make sure it's showing up because

it was a pure

black screen.

Oh no.

Nice.

I've known that way, you

say stuff.

But - Mikil.

Just because,

I mean, marriage is seen

very differently in other

cultures anyways.

Like arranged

marriages in some

cultures are very

much still common.

Bloodline purity in a

lot of ways is still

very common,

especially in religious

circles.

And it's just,

I mean, the white people are the

ones that are different.

That's what I'm trying to say.

So, could be.

Well, I know arranged

marriages seem to have the

best success nowadays.

I wonder why.

Let's get through the rest of

this recap

and we can talk

about that.

But anyways,

where we ended up is

basically talking about the human psyche

of living hundreds

of years and

memory slash

maturity

of

living like

that and how it

just how it's different

compared to now, or if

it's different, if it could be

different,

all that different stuff.

And so that lends us

back in

chapter four

and we can

- Move on.

I guess we kind of are

naturally,

what's the word?

Naturally rehashing

everything and kind

of being more concise about

it.

So we can probably

just keep going and

yeah.

Sounds good to me.

Star, I am focused

on this GPT

thing.

I don't think we need to

be focused on it.

Here we go.

Okay, I think I got it y 'all.

Sorry, I've got a one track mind

if y 'all couldn't tell.

Yes, it's showing.

Nice.

Oh, thank God.

Yep, I see it.

All right, yeah, so

pretty GPT.

You're welcome y 'all.

I love GPT.

It works, it's bad when

it doesn't.

Very true.

Just like all of technology.

So jumping

back into the Bible.

So, but what

you said,

what did you say

just now that I was

like, we can talk about that after

the recap?

I was half paying attention.

No, it was before you

got distracted.

Did you

say?

Well, maybe I'll think about it

later.

But yeah, we can continue through

the rest

of chapter

four.

You want me to give it a go?

Sure, go for it.

We can, all of chapter four.

I would say stop somewhere.

Somewhere from?

I think I stopped last

time at

verse

15.

Okay, all right.

From the top,

now Adam knew Eve his

wife and she conceived

in Borchain,

saying, I have gotten

a man with the help of the

Lord.

Keep going, sorry.

I'm sorry.

And again, she bore his

brother Abel.

Now Abel was a keeper of

sheep and Cain a

worker of the ground.

In the course of

time,

Cain brought the Lord an offering

of the fruits of the ground.

And Abel also brought

of the first born of

his flock and of their fat

portions.

And the Lord had regard for

Abel and his offering,

but for Cain and his

offering, he had no

regard.

So Cain was very

angry and his face

fell.

The Lord said to Cain,

why are you angry and why is

your face fallen?

If you do well, will you not be

accepted?

And if you do not do well,

sin is crouching at the door.

Its desire is contrary

to you, but you must

rule over it.

We could stop there and chat about

that.

Sure.

Yeah.

We got this interesting

dynamic

dichotomy,

as you could say.

There's, well,

it's interesting the way it's

being presented because

it says that she

gave birth to Cain.

And then again, she gave birth to

his brother Abel.

And then it says

what Abel does,

what Cain does.

However, it says, and

Abel was a keeper,

mine says, of flocks,

but Cain was a

tiller of the ground.

Why is there a butt?

Mine says and.

Is there an and?

Yeah, Now Abel was a keeper

of sheep and Cain,

a worker of the ground.

Interesting.

I think it's just a contrast.

That's right.

So it came about

in the course of time that Cain

brought an offering to the Lord

of the fruit of the

ground.

Interesting that he was the first

one to do that.

Yeah.

And it seems like

there's a comparison going on

is what I'm trying to get at.

Cain is doing

something first.

He's the first born.

He's the first born and

then Abel's coming up

behind him.

So it's almost like, hey, I was

here first.

Yeah.

Why are you ignoring me?

But it's also, in

my mind, I'm kind of reading it and

I'm like, it seems like

they're almost

already pointing to

Abel being better

in a sense.

Well, in your version when it says, but.

Right.

That's fair.

But in verse four,

Abel on his part

also brought of the first

slings of his flock

and their fat portions

and the Lord had regard for

Abel and for his offering.

But for

Cain and for

his offering, he had no

regard.

And so there's

like,

I don't know,

there's a comparison

of siblings that's happening.

That if you have a

sibling,

for the most part,

you are like,

I'm locked in.

Like I know what's going on.

And especially

with a younger

sibling, younger sibling

is from the very

beginning.

Annoying.

Well, no.

They're paid

more

attention to

because

naturally a baby

needs to have more

attention paid to them.

But that attention seems

to carry

on

naturally

in a lot of ways because

if you're much

older, like I'm 11 years older

than my sister.

You know, I'm an adult.

I was an adult way

before, you know, she was

able to really do too

much on her own.

And, you know, of course,

my parents are going to pay more attention

to me because it's like I

can go and do it and ***,

you know, but

she can't.

What's interesting is that we kind of

just jump in the

story.

It's like, oh, birth.

Now they're working.

Well, we don't even need to be a 12,

like 13.

Yeah.

But I mean, it's still like, it's a

pretty good jump.

Yeah.

And I mean, I

wonder

how

old

really,

because yeah, I guess they could

have been, you

know, both of young.

It the was first time that they did this.

Yeah.

So I would say

like their

first season,

right?

Their seasons of growing and

tilling and harvesting

and their

seasons of

like,

you know, guiding the sheep

around and I

guess shearing them,

taking care of them,

grazing them,

waiting for them to grow,

waiting for them to

recreate

and all that stuff

before you can

actually have

a sustainable population

where you can actually take

a few and

slaughter them.

I would imagine,

I mean, and this is

speculative,

but to be,

I guess, called

a keeper of

flocks and a tiller of the

ground,

it sounds kind of like

this is a title

and you don't just, you know,

start doing something and that's

automatically like what you

are, especially

like, you know,

something that makes money,

feeds the family

is important.

And especially for something like this,

like they are, they know

what they're offering up,

right?

And there's almost a sense of

pride, especially on Cairn's side.

Oh, yeah.

Right?

So there's this sense of pride, they have

had enough time

to maybe

perfect their craft

to where they feel like

there's space

to

provide

something of worth,

you know?

And so I'm thinking, you

know, this could be later

than

12 or 13 or

whatever.

Doesn't really matter,

I guess.

But, and I

would also think that, you know,

if they're off on their own,

you know, maybe,

because even

then, I

think,

you know, maybe their parents would have

kept a closer eye on them or

something.

I don't know.

I don't really know.

But… And I was wrong.

It doesn't actually say this the first

time.

Okay.

In the course of time,

Cairn brought to the Lord an offering

and threw the ground.

Yeah.

So there could have been like other

times

that they did this and

they both were accepted.

Yeah.

In fact,

when the Lord says to

Cairn, why are you angry?

And why has your face fallen?

If you do well, will you not be

accepted?

It's almost like God is

saying, like, you know

this.

You've been accepted.

Yeah.

That brings up a good

point because there's…

When we were talking about

Adam

and Eve,

there is

an

idea that's kind of

been brought up where

Adam would

have told Eve what

was kind of going on in

the garden.

And

so,

you know, we're looking

at this and,

you know, any number

of years that have gone by… by,

it couldn't...

obviously it's not the first

year of their life.

Any number of years that went by,

you know, their parents,

Adam and Eve, are...

they've probably told them things.

You know, they probably talked.

They probably, you know,

shared any number of

stories and

happenings and

whatever, things they've

learned.

And so,

we have to

take into consideration

always when there's such a

huge time skip that

information is

being shared,

especially because oral tradition

is so heavily

relied on when it comes to the

Bible.

We have to

take that for

what it would mean and

understand that they're talking.

There's a lot going on.

So, what you're saying is like,

you know,

there's

an offering

going on here

and it doesn't even like

lay out like that.

They need to offer

anything.

Like it just kind of says

it is

kind of odd.

Like why are they offering in the first
place?

Yes, it just kind of came from

nowhere.

I think I mentioned this

in the recording

that didn't get recorded.

I was watching this

YouTuber who was breaking down the

Garden of Eden and

how it's a picture

of

God's

chosen, I

guess temple,

like the

where

his presence

can

be.

Oh,

hey, we're all getting

Stephen on

there.

I'm not your good dude.

Stephen is fascinated.

I looked at the time and I was just

like, oh, dang.

Oh, yeah, that's important.

Yeah.

Little side story.

Stephen tore his,

one of his,

what is it?

My

cornea

on my

front of my eye.

And this was

basically during the night

and

I tore it just

because I had a fan

blowing on me.

My eyes,

they so

I need to

do eye drops,

like in the

morning,

middle of the day,

and at night.

These are like special eye drops,

like mad signs.

Yeah, and I haven't seen multiple though.

So

but

that's the consequence.

And surprising

thing is I actually went

to work that same

morning.

With a flappy eye.

Oh, yeah, it was like

terribly bright.

I can barely look up

people.

And well, you got your

sunglasses.

Well, which most people don't

understand.

Yeah, which I never understood

before.

Right.

The reason you've got

sunglasses is because it's

too bright.

Yeah.

My eyes

don't have any

true irises.

So I

have black eyes.

Well, they do is just

like the muscle that would have

been there is just

gone.

Are you saying that the iris never

developed?

So with my

eyes,

there

is

some days that

you could barely see an

edge on it.

Okay, so it just and so

the eyes have

cones and rods.

And so the iris is

mainly the rods.

So they contract

and

lengthen.

And when

they lengthen,

that's basically the pupil

closing

to

let the least amount of

light in.

When you're outside in

the sun, it's cloudy

day, and there's still like a

lot of bright

light, like shining through the

clouds.

And that's one of the worst

days for

eyes

in general.

My eye and so

whenever your

irises

expand,

let's enlighten to the

people.

And that's usually like in pitch

dark rooms or at

night.

And my eyes are like that

24 seven.

So if you've ever gone

to the eye doctor

and got your eyes dilated,

and then had to like walk yourself

to the car, even with those

sunglasses on, it's just like

irritating the bright.

Yeah.

Dangerous to drive.

That's Steven all the time.

Yeah.

And my

dry

specialist,

my doctor,

she's just like, yeah, your

brain

and your

eyes have actually gotten

so used to that pain

that you don't perceive it

as pain anymore.

So that's crazy.

Yeah.

And I had to do eye drops, Steven.

And so

through time,

the nerves

on my

lens

weren't really

reacting with anything.

And she could like touch it with a

strain.

And I'd hardly ever feel it.

It's weird.

Just because the nerves were

being hit with so much light

all the time.

They're de - That's nice.

Yeah.

And so now I have feeling

just because I did eye drops

that kind of stimulated

regrowth on those

nerves.

So.

Is that a good thing though, to get

that feeling back?

Yes.

Because one thing

with

getting nerves back,

it opens,

It allows

for - better tissue

growth and

blood

vessel access

around the eye.

So it maintains the

eye

better

because it has a

signal and

it tells

your

brain can tell your

body like, oh, we need more

resources here.

Yeah.

It just helps strengthen

the lens as well.

Okay.

Which is good.

Less chance of it here.

Yeah.

That's good.

But with dry eyes,

it's tough.

So like if you

have really

dry eyes all the time,

and this could be

the case with me,

every time you blink,

you have the potential to scratch

your lens.

Ooh.

So

yeah,

which you have cataracts, right?

Not terrible ones.

Okay.

They're not very big.

I have one

basically right

dead center on

my right eye and

one

center

right

on my left eye.

Okay.

Is that why you use your left eye

for the monocle most of the time?

So the reason

I use my monocle

for

my

monocle,

basically the

same difference.

Tomato, tomato.

The reason I use it

for my left eye is because that

left eye is trained more

for close up.

My right eye is trained

for a little bit better

distance.

So you'll use the

monocular for both

eyes, but

you'll switch eyes based on

what you're looking at and your brain is

used to perceiving it

better.

So the monocular is

basically just to bring everything closer.

Yeah.

So if you use something

closer that's far

away, you'll still use your left eye.

Yes.

Because now it's close.

Yeah.

So your right eye is for

walking around.

Yeah.

Pretty much.

And I use it to ride scooter

and

sometimes

run into fences.

Yeah.

That's how you broke his collarbone.

Crazy.

It was the fence's fault.

Yeah.

The fence should have seen him come.

I've gotten all the way.

I would have tried.

Anywho, that was a short

story.

A little short segue.

Let's see if I can remember what I

was talking about.

Oh,

the garden was

where God's

presence was.

This is where God would

walk around

with Adam and Eve

and commune with

them.

As the temple.

As guys the in perspective the was

Eden

was a

temple and

Adam's role was

as a priest

and

Eve's role as a priestess.

Priestess.

And so part of being a priest

is making offerings.

But what's strange

to me is

the idea of

offerings for the

longest time for

the Israelites was to

is like

atonement.

So maybe these weren't

offerings per

se.

They were the

kind of offerings that

the Israelites would give

as

like a...

Benevolence.

As a gift.

Like a thank you.

I forget what they

call it technically.

But it's like

a

sign of

like praise.

Yeah, praise and like

thanking the host.

Like when you go to a party, like you
bring

a thing of wine, like thank you for

hosting.

Yeah.

Here you go.

So that's where this concept

has come from.

And in the oral tradition

and just like

discipling your kids, Adam

and Eve passed this on

to Cain and Abel.

And so this is just a thing that

they do because like they don't

know what else to do.

Like they've been kicked out of the
temple.

Yeah.

Well, and I think too,

I mean, I've heard it

brought up before

that the first thing

that God did after

they send was killed

an animal.

Right.

As a sacrifice.

And to clothe them.

Yeah.

And so,

I mean, and again, there could

be any number of

conversation, any number

of things that are going on.

We don't necessarily know what the

relationship between Adam

and Eve and God

is.

At this point.

At this point.

So again,

you know, maybe

they're not

necessarily dwelling with

him,

but maybe

conversations are

still being

had and

information

is being relayed

and they're given a purpose

for

specific things and maybe

they go different places.

And we have no idea.

There's any number of things I could

actually...

It's possible because

we see that happening with

sinners

after

the fall.

It's not like

it's different

in that they could not be in

God's presence anymore.

And they couldn't be in

the garden,

aka the temple anymore

because of

the danger of the tree of life

to them now,

which we had a whole discussion on that.

Like I was theorizing

like, could the tree of

life have maintained

the genetics

and the decay

and all of that?

It's like this.

Oh, yeah, like an Like this

extra...

macronutrient that we need

in order to maintain our

own DNA because we have

In our DNA a

way to maintain our

DNA, but it's not

perfect

And so maybe the tree of

life was something that they ate

from or maybe it was

you disagreed You didn't think

that they from the tree ever

Yeah, but maybe it was like another

like nutrient that

was in the garden and some of the

trees or the fruits or whatever

sure that

enabled their genetics

to

Be able to heal

itself in

a way that they deal to live

forever Because

that's what aging

is is your

genes breaking down

Decaying decaying.

Yeah, which we made

that same joke last time several

times

Yeah, yeah,

there's there's

the idea of

giving offerings

to God

and again, you know,

there's

there's a

there's a

connection made

to You

know

there needs to be shedding of

blood for the forgiveness of

sins

And the first shedding

of blood was a

lamb lamb wall

was it?

No, no, I don't know if it was a lamb

but whatever animal God

killed to

clothe Adam and

Eve

to cover their shame

basically

And there's

oh one of the things that we

brought up when we were talking

about Living

long lives

was the idea of

gods and how

you know These men

and women that lived hundreds of

years, you know

to to younger

people

They could seem

like gods because

they've lived crazy

lives and

whatever any number of

things and especially back

then because there's a

sense of

Like everything that's new

Everything, you know, they're

experiencing crazy amount

of things and there I mean

they're in a

small They

start off in a smaller section of the

world, right?

and so

There's there's

the sense of gods

and it makes sense that

this kind of lore

would kind of

carry on and

I would say it

probably carry

on even to

Noah yeah,

and his his

children and maybe his children's

children.

I mean Noah lived

a long time.

Yeah 50

years.

Yeah, and then

I I

think his sons

lived around 300.

Yeah, it was still a long time

And so they

just had

Even before the

flood they had tons of opportunity

to to

rack up these

myths these

things that they don't

necessarily

Some people

wouldn't because it was a oral

tradition.

Yeah, cuz it was oral tradition

There could have been writing that

was wiped out by the world.

Yeah

We talked about like

how technology and

technology there we

don't know

I think hot take

I didn't bring this up last time.

I think that the pyramids were built

pre -flood I

was actually yeah, I keep

thinking stuff like that too.

Like, you know, how

this is also

Probably a dumb theory,

but okay, you're gonna

high five Jesus

so hard if I'm right

Preter high five or

what?

I mean,

I don't get

the reference.

You know, I believe that for instance.

I think

that in

place of cranes

to move these

giant blocks

You would need

a giant

animal and I miss

we have had dinosaurs

And we know dinosaurs

for real because we have

their remains

sure.

We also have

Like recent

history of

like emperors in China

riding dragons

through the streets

That no longer exist

So we know which

dragons and dinosaurs

are technically synonymous.

They are synonymous.

Yeah There

were dinosaurs that

breathe fire.

Yeah

Apparently, yeah, which is

crazy.

It's not it's not

crazy.

Like there are bugs that

breathe fire.

Yeah

Why can't a giant dinosaur

do that or a small dinosaur?

Yeah, most common dinosaur

size was a chicken size, right?

Well nasty

imagine having that

kind of pest running around

goodness.

Nothing.

Yeah

But that's what I think.

Yeah, they did they use

like us.

I don't know like it

Was the long neck one

Stegosaurus or something

Oh

Sorapod was that brontosaurus

maybe

Classification for

long necks is sort

of pods believe

that see

we

Anything to

offer doesn't really

say much What

are the things that we

said?

I think it had something to do with

like has

Like

random

knowledge about

yeah, let's pull it up

crazy things

If it doesn't say crazy,

we should change it to crazy

cuz it's

okay We go like just

out of nowhere just

has information.

What's it say?

Stephen is yeah Yeah,

it's even as laid -back well

-informed on random talk

topics, but mostly

about aquatics and

nature.

But B baba -boom!

Also— Proves it every

day.

Also Michael's dumb.

Daniel's dumber.

And Stephen is blind.

Amen.

Ah.

Ah.

Ah.

Ah.

Ah.

the blind party right?

Well, he didn't come up with it actually.

What do you mean?

Well,

he didn't like choose.

Oh, he didn't choose to be blind?

To be blind.

It's messed up man.

What if this was that was the

express purpose that God

had for allowing him

to be blind?

Yeah.

For that joke.

I'm just saying for that

one joke.

And then Stephen dies.

That's not a problem.

So he was first at the door, shoots

him.

Oh no.

Like, oh wow, Daniel you're right.

Good job.

High five.

I'm too sad.

I'm going to go cry

now.

But anyways, no,

but like, there is this sense

of myth

and

legend that is

so

available.

Prevalence.

With, yeah, and prevalence

with people that are

living hundreds

of years.

Like how we view

elves.

And it's like,

you know, any number of things could have

happened pre -flood,

with the technology,

with whatever.

And again, it's just

so much

information

that's being

shared over

time.

And we could be told it wrong.

It could have been

like that at all.

But

what I was

trying to get to

is, you know,

there's,

in other religions, there's the

idea of offering

something, giving

an offering to your God.

In Greek mythology,

Egyptology, all that different

stuff.

You're offering something

to

your

God if you want

something.

But I think what's

interesting

is that those

religions are based off

of,

not dependence,

what's the word?

It's a give and take.

You know, like, I'm offering you something

because I want something from

you.

But in this case,

technically, this is,

I'm offering something to you

because,

to God, I'm offering something

to God because of

what He's already given

me.

Which is everything.

Yeah, of

abundance.

Yeah.

Or from abundance.

Yeah.

It's what

Solomon or the

preacher talked about in

Ecclesiastes,

with like, one of the sole

purposes of man is to

enjoy the creation that

God made for him.

Yeah.

And giving the

first

giving the first fruits.

And I think

there's something to be said

when you

have

so many years

available to you,

and maybe

a

genetic

superiority

or whatever.

Granted, they didn't necessarily have

an idea of what that looked like.

They didn't necessarily

care.

They didn't know about

genetics.

It was just how it is.

They just like, they lived in their

20s for like hundreds of years.

Yeah.

We didn't

really have that concept.

So it's,

but they live so

long.

And it's like,

kind of getting to the

question that

Stephen,

goodness gracious, why did that take me so

long?

Stephen had asked - I had to figure out

if it was a B or a PhD.

Right.

Stephen had asked

- Only things here.

Was it

had something to do with

the fact that,

you know, were they,

did they struggle more

with,

I guess,

complacency?

I think we talked about that a little bit.

Like, let's party for 100 years

because we got 500 more.

Yeah.

And clearly they did because

God sent the flood.

But,

you know,

what was that like?

And when did that really

start?

And we don't necessarily know.

But there's this idea

that you live so

long,

you feel like, I would

imagine you feel like you could live

forever.

Yeah.

You feel invincible.

You feel invincible in your

20s.

Yeah.

At least that's what they say.

Yeah.

I mean, we're all in our 20s right

now.

Right.

I don't feel in the 20s.

I'm not respected yet.

But depending on what time

in their life that they are

at,

they may even think,

or Cain especially,

would possibly think,

you know,

why do I even have to offer this?

I,

you know, what am I offering

and what am I getting

from it?

And,

you know, does it even

matter?

And, you know,

granted, his parents,

they

dwelled with

God in His

presence.

And I don't doubt that

God isn't

speaking with Adam.

Sure.

Yeah.

And so, they're

dealing with

the OGs,

you know, both

of perfection

and...

The OG and the GOD.

Yeah.

And of sin.

And so, it's like reality

to them

is very much

God and their

sin.

Right?

And so, I'd imagine that a lot

of the conversations are around

that.

and which would probably,

you know, their conversations with God

probably led to him being

like, you know, give me your first

fruits, you know,

as a sign

of obedience

to me, because

I mean, they don't have the Holy

Spirit at this point.

Or it could just be like remorseful

offerings.

Yeah.

Or, you know, like we want to be back in

the garden, like, they probably

were making these

offerings, and

I don't think it refers to

it as a sacrifice.

That's the key word.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's just brought in

the offering.

Yep.

Yeah.

It's not a sacrifice.

Sacrifice is for sense.

Yeah.

So they just, I feel like

this is a longing to be back

in the garden.

And maybe they

learned it culturally from their

parents.

Or...

It could be anything.

It could be anything, but

Abel's heart is

in it,

and Abel's heart is not.

Yeah.

That's interesting.

Because my assumption

has always

been that this is something

that God told them

to do.

But it doesn't say that, obviously.

And that...

Also, God didn't tell

them to give offerings

in

the first

part

of the creation account.

Yeah.

He said, you know, eat

and have fun.

Yeah.

Right.

And have dominion.

And the result

of that, of God being so

good, is them

doing everything

with

God in mind.

Yeah.

And thanking Him,

like, giving the first

of everything.

Because that's just, like, what exudes

from God's goodness

is we want

to give first of everything.

Okay.

I just thought of something.

The best of everything.

This is crazy.

Right.

God,

in His perfect unity,

in a sense,

is

sharing everything with

Himself, if you will.

Because I

think of communication.

Communication is an

offering.

It's a gift.

Nobody...

We require communication in order

to do things, in

order to know things, in order to

do whatever.

But if you think about it, God is

communicating perfectly

with Himself.

If He has three...

If He's three persons in

one,

and how that

is viewed as harmony and

as unity, and it is...

In a sense, there is this

communication, and God is

about communication,

clearly, because we have the Word of God.

And He created everything.

Yeah.

So, there's this sense of, like,

the conversation,

having language,

having communication

with each other,

is this...

Is not only, like,

I'm sharing information with you,

it is a gift.

Right?

And so, when

there is more things

to offer,

if you will, because of

creation,

if we...

If Adam and Eve, dwelling

with God,

viewed Him

as

a friend,

as a being that

is literally dwelling

with them, because,

I mean, I think it says

that God walked

in the garden.

So, there's this idea of a physical

form in which He is

literally walking.

I would

imagine that they

treated Him in

some ways as

friend.

And if you have a friend, someone that

you truly care about,

and you're walking with them,

and you're experiencing life with

Him, you're going to give them things.

So, I wonder

if this

was almost

like that.

But

because of

the natural thing that

happens when you have

kids,

you know, you're teaching your kids to

do something,

and they don't necessarily

view it...

Well, they don't view it the same

way.

Because maybe they don't see

it necessarily as an obligation, but

it's like, oh, I didn't

start this conversation.

Right.

And they'd never experienced

it.

Yeah, they didn't dwell

with God the

way that their parents

did.

So, they don't...

And that's even true now,

right?

Where, you know,

if our

grandparents or great

-grandparents or whatever are

walking with God,

and, you know,

they live these

incredibly faithful

lives, they're just doing these

things because it is

what a

relationship calls for.

It is a true, loving,

beautiful relationship, right?

But then, you know, they go and

teach their children to

do that.

The children have to

develop that relationship,

and they have to learn

why,

and make it their

own, and make it something that

they...

Where they actually want to give

things to God, actually

want to give the first

fruits.

And so, I guess this is a picture

with Cain and Abel

as Cain

just didn't get it.

He didn't understand

fully.

And, you know,

I think you brought up

that maybe

over the years, he

could have

understood.

Maybe God is kind of implying that

he did get this.

But, you know, he kind of fell off

the wagon because

he became prideful.

He got older.

He thinks he's invincible, whatever.

That's compelling.

That's crazy.

I have not...

That's interesting.

What portion?

Just

with...

just with,

because it...

is a relationship

with God,

right?

Adam and Eve had a

seemingly

physical

presence of God

with them.

And there is this

idea in a relationship

where you're sharing things with

them,

sharing everything.

And with the church,

you know, it's sharing,

having everything in

common.

And sharing

everything together

and

how,

you know, that's also the picture

of marriage.

That's,

you know, when you

have kids, it's just,

there's this idea of

we're sharing everything

together.

So naturally, when

they are separate,

physically,

from God,

which is longing.

I mean, I can't even imagine

losing a parent,

right?

And you just don't have that

anymore.

You've lost God.

Right.

And you've just got,

you,

maybe there's that sense of, oh,

I'm trying to get back into the

garden.

But also, like, I want to

just be able to share with you again.

I just want to be able to...

It's like I know I

can't be in your presence anymore.

Yeah.

And I guess a juxtaposition.

No, my job isn't as a

priest anymore.

Yeah.

But like, I'm

repentant, I'm remorseful,

and I miss you.

Yeah.

And to show that

I still want

to give you gifts.

Hmm.

So interesting.

I think the word is juxtaposition.

I just use it.

I might be an idiot.

I don't know.

I think you just said it.

But I did just use it, but I don't know

if I use it rightly.

When Jesus left,

right,

and He rose up into

heaven, right, it's

a different picture

of God

kind of leaving,

right?

God is still there.

God is still present.

He's still in our lives, but

He's not physically

there, right?

And in the

garden, it was like,

you just can't be in my

presence anymore.

I'm leaving.

You're leaving, actually.

But with Jesus,

it's,

you can be in my presence.

In fact, I'm giving you my

presence.

I'm giving you the Spirit

of me, of

God.

But I am

going to leave physically,

but I'm going to come back,

physically.

And even more

so,

the veil in the temple

tore.

Yeah.

And that thing was thick.

Yeah.

Like that thing was, I think, two inches

thick.

I actually want to look it up while you

keep talking.

I don't know if it was two inches.

I think it was a little thicker, actually.

But there's just...

2 .1 inches thick?

I don't know.

That little bit thick.

Yeah.

But there,

yeah, it's like

the severing

of this

relationship.

And I guess,

yeah, maybe it's viewed

that way.

Maybe that's kind of what

it is.

And then,

in a sense, maybe

God,

for

sacrifices

and stuff, kind of took that

idea and

said, I'm going to use

this because

you're doing this.

Because you,

maybe they naturally, maybe

Adam and Eve naturally wanted

to give these

offerings to God,

both in reverence and in

friendship, in a sense.

And then God was

like, okay, you want

to offer things anyways,

in obedience, in faith.

Let me use that

and

say, well, now,

for sins,

you have to do this.

This is the

rule that

I'm going to make for these

things.

Because if we look

at...

The first picture of a sacrifice

was with

Abraham.

You remember that?

Is that the first picture?

With his son?

Or what are you talking about?

I mean, that could be.

I'm talking about when God

came to Abraham

and...

He built an altar.

Well, he...

Lots of altar building.

Yeah, lots of altars.

I mean, he built

an altar

and then set everything

up and then put

Abraham to sleep.

And I think

Abraham could still see it.

So maybe it was just

paralyzed or something.

I don't know.

Or out of body experience, who knows.

God

made

the covenant,

cut the animals

in half,

in a path.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

God himself

said

something

of like relationship

between us.

Yes.

Good stuff.

Yes.

Only if you don't

sin, yes.

Right.

If you do sin, then

you

walk down this path

of

all these

dead, cut in half animals

to represent

what

will

happen to you

if

you break

this covenant

contract.

And so that's why you put Abraham

to sleep.

The animals were cut in

two

down down on a

path.

and then God Himself

walked through it,

symbolizing that

He would take the

punishment for our

sins.

Because He knew that

there was no way that we

could keep up our end of the bargain.

There's nothing to offer.

expectation no There was either,

although there is an expectation,

but there is no

expectation that

we can do

it.

There's an expectation that we

should do it.

We should try, not

try, and okay,

sit on our hands.

No, we should do it,

but we're also going to fail.

And to hold those

two truths together

seems so

unmanageable.

But we see that picture.

Then we see Him being

obedient to God,

sacrificing His Son,

which is a picture of Jesus.

And then we

see that in the Israelites.

I mean,

Egypt,

first, I mean, the plagues,

one of them is you've got to put

the blood of a lamb

on the door,

on the door jam.

And then the angels of death

will skip your house.

Why that?

You're covered by the blood,

and that's an

allusion to Jesus.

And then the

sacrifices,

the priests

had

to go through this

crazy

cleaning

ceremony.

And if they did it wrong,

they would fall

over dead in the

Holy of Holies.

They would actually wear bells

as

tassels on the end of their

garments,

and they

would have a rope tied around their

ankle.

And

if

the priests

waiting

outside heard

the bells stop ringing,

they would tug the priest out

by the rope,

because no one was going to go in

there.

Because it's not allowed,

number one.

You can enter once a

year.

God's rule, believe.

It's been a while since I studied this.

I could get it wrong.

You could enter once a year, and

you have to be perfectly

clean.

And the

job of the priest is to

intervene

and

to basically

beg for

forgiveness,

atonement.

And then the priest also

makes a sacrifice

for all of

Israel,

representing Jesus

taking himself

as the sacrifice

for all

of the church.

And then

the

sacrifices

individually,

each person had to come

to the temple and

sacrifice

the

firstborn and

unblemished

of their

lambs,

and then other animals

of your poor.

And that's,

I think of the man

who came

to Jesus and said he's held

up every piece of the

law, and Jesus says,

you're right, you

have, while he rolls his

eyes.

And says,

now all you must do is

sell everything that you

have, everything that you possess,

and give it to the poor, and go and

follow me.

And the man went away sad because he had

many things.

Jesus was calling him

to sacrifice his firstborn,

to sacrifice

the

best of what God

gave to him.

And he wasn't willing to do that.

And so God was

requiring the Israelites to

give the best

of what God gave

them, knowing that

God gave them this,

and God's going to

continue to give to them.

Same picture with the manna.

If you took more manna than you

needed, it would spoil.

And it would bring a rotten

decaying stench into your

tent.

And it'd be embarrassing.

But every single one of them did

it, basically.

But it's not like it was

a scientific thing.

It probably was.

But there

was times where, like, on

Sabbath,

you would have to

collect

enough for the

Sabbath.

Because it wouldn't,

God wouldn't rain down manna on that

day.

Because it was our rest day.

And it wouldn't spoil.

So when it's God's command, it

doesn't spoil.

God's gifts are

given for a very specific

reason.

And a lot of them

are given so

that we can lay them

down at His feet,

declaring Him to

be first in our life.

But also, the

sacrifices were

an atonement for our own

sins.

Well, I guess I should stop

saying our

for

the Israelite sins.

And it was a

picture

of their

humility, their obedience,

and a picture of Christ,

even though they didn't know who that

would be.

They would call them

the Messiah, I believe.

And their picture of the Messiah

was wackadoo.

But

in

most

cases,

especially later on.

But the idea in that

culture was very clear.

of like, we

do not deserve to be in God's

presence.

Barely the priest gets to be

in there.

And he has to atone for all of Israel.

And then all of the sins that I

know that I've committed, I have

to do a sacrifice for each

one.

And then I have to do a sacrifice

for the ones that I don't know that I've

done.

And then on top of that,

I should

want to give

offerings.

You know what's interesting,

and I know that this is laid

out in the Bible for

sure,

but that just kind of clicks in my

mind a little bit more,

is that

God is

declaring to

us through

Adam and Eve

what it looks like

for us to be capable

of being in His

presence,

because they were perfect, right?

Before the...

So God is demonstrating

through Adam and Eve what it takes to

be capable to be in His presence.

To be in His presence, right?

And in offerings

and sacrifices,

in anything

that we're called

to do, any of the commandments,

God is just

reiterating

over and over and

over again.

This is what it takes

to be

in my presence.

Perfection.

Perfection.

And

as

time goes on,

as things

deteriorate,

as morality

deteriorates,

as genetics

deteriorate, as

everything

deteriorates,

as we continue

forward and we

want more, we

do more, we

understand more,

whatever,

it muddies

our understanding

of

the

fact that God is

so patient.

Oh, yeah.

And what's

fascinating

is that

God doesn't kill Adam

and Eve right away, right?

He doesn't kill Cain right on

the spot.

He doesn't even kill Cain

after he kills his

brother.

He just, I mean, he curses him.

Boilers.

Right.

not We're there yet.

But it's

like God is

clearly

telling us,

telling everyone that

reads this.

I mean, this is just the beginning of the

book,

but like he's clearly

telling us, like you

deviated

from

everything.

It's your own way out.

You chose your own way.

You decided and it's like...

Just no way at all.

Yeah.

And people keep

pointing to this

evil God.

And the more that

we go through this, the

more it is

solidifying in my

mind how

well

God

communicates with

us through the

Bible and

communicates

why

everything He

did,

everything He said,

everything.

I mean,

people point to God

committing genocide

and are asking

the...

telling the Israelites to commit genocide,

whatever,

blah, blah, blah, It's like, okay, but...

Of the Canaanites.

Yeah.

But like, here's the thing.

Everything

after

Cain,

it's warranted.

Everything God does.

Because it...

God did say

the day that you eat of

it, you will die.

And then He didn't

renege, He just

delayed.

Just a mercy.

The entirety of everything that's

going on with these different

people groups

and

whatever

in the Old

Testament,

like these are evil people.

These are people that

are declared

evil.

My God.

And I don't even think

that it says of

Cain,

I don't think God says

here that He

is evil.

But it is

the case

that this...

Just given everybody is

evil.

Yeah.

It's just a

given that as

things continue on,

God is going to declare people

evil.

God is going to declare

people foolish.

He's going to declare

all

the sins

and the things

that we've sought after

as humans

and what we're

doing wrong and point

to us and say,

you are doing this,

you deserve

death.

Yeah.

But also, notice

how God didn't say

that to Cain.

He said,

and if you do not do well,

sin is crouching at the

door.

Its desire is contrary

to you.

You must,

but you must rule

over it.

Yeah.

So you have an

opportunity.

God doesn't even say

what you just said there.

You deserve to die, you

are evil.

He doesn't say that.

He says, you have an

opportunity to not.

It's crouching at the door,

lying in wait for you to

devour you.

If you keep going down this

path,

it is ready to pounce.

You're inviting it in.

Yeah.

You're asking.

Keep that door locked.

Keep it under control.

Its desire is

contrary to

you.

So everything that you desire,

everything that you want,

sin wants the opposite.

Sin will.

spoil

every

desire that you

have,

every single one, just

like the full in Proverbs, like

the foolish group of men

just

going around stealing from

everybody,

like not realizing

the same is going to happen

to them.

Yeah, that's why there's so many

stories about the

villain saying, oh, I

can give you this thing

and they give it to

you.

But then it turns

around and it bites you in the butt

and you end

up...

The genie.

Yeah.

Yeah, right.

Well,

there's

so many stories.

That's the story

of...

What's the cat?

Of sin.

What's the cat?

And

just

evil in the world.

The evil person is going

to give you exactly what

you want.

Or at least a

really good

looking version of it.

And then you're going

to trust

them and then they're going

to stab you in the back

every time.

And this

isn't an evil

person doing this to you.

This is sin itself.

This is

evil

in demonic

form

that

has

no other purpose but

to oppose you

in everything that God

created

for the express purpose

of pure

misery and

accusation

that God is not good.

And

I mean, we see

that clearly.

Well, we see that with Adam and Eve.

It's like they did

what they desired.

They

achieved.

They got it.

They got what the

snake had that

they could get

and they got it

and then they were cursed.

And what they received

was a curse.

Yeah.

Like God gave

additional clarity

of the curse and

maybe added to the curses.

But the main

curse is

the fact that they are

confused.

Like morality is

subjective now.

Which just isn't true.

And they chose it.

Yeah.

Because sin is crouching out the door

and you must.

And just to clarify for the

audience, like

you,

when I say

you

choose your morality,

that morality is subjective.

And that's true,

but also it's not true.

What I mean by that is

the only

moral standard that

has any

weight, any gravitas.

Yeah.

Any manners.

Yeah.

The only

moral law

that holds water

in reality

is God's law.

Why?

Because he was the first.

Yeah.

He's a finer of reality.

Yeah.

A finer of reality.

And it's just

a simple math equation.

Like if the creator creates

something,

does the creation live by its own

rules or the

rules that the creator

baked into it?

Well, we'll find out with AI, right?

Well, and

that was

a joke, but it's like that's

kind of what man is

looking for with AI.

Right now we're all scared of AI

taking over the world because that's what

we would do.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

That's what...

I think that's a

good stopping point actually.

You think so?

With...

Yeah.

I just wanted to

touch on a few things.

Let's just reread it if

that's all right.

Reread it?

Okay.

Let's see here.

Let's go to the Cain part.

So Abel was a keeper of the

sheep and Cain a worker of the

ground.

In the course of time,

Cain brought to the Lord an offering

of the fruits of the ground.

And Abel also brought of

the firstborn of his

flock and of their

fat portions.

So this is like after he

slaughtered them, right?

He took the firstborn.

So it's like

a...

He doesn't even wait

for that

sheep

to be grown.

I would think, why don't

I take the lamb

and grow it

to its full

size and

that way I can give more to God.

The heart that I see

here is like, I'm going to

take the firstborn

and give that to God

because I know that,

yes,

even though this is going to hamper

the growth of my flock,

I trust that God

gave me this

firstborn.

And if

he wants to continue

giving to me, he will.

And I trust him.

If he chooses not to,

he's gone.

We got this.

He's got this.

We got this together.

Well, and it's interesting too

with the

sacrifices.

It's interesting because in order

to make the sacrifice,

it has to be a

spotless,

I mean, not perfect

creature.

Well, yeah, pretty much...

It's like the least blunished.

Yeah, the least blunished.

But you are killing

off...

The least.

The best of the best.

Yeah.

And now that genetic line is gone.

Yeah.

So it's like...

Yeah, what you're saying...

You really have to trust God is

going to perform a miracle

and keep your

flock pure.

And sacrifice in more than one

way.

That's interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's a good point.

It's also like

you're You're losing

something.

Losing the best of the best, which is

what happened when we lost

the best of the best,

being gas

from God's presence.

Even later, like,

I mean, this

isn't only food.

It's showing like what

is the result of our

decision.

Yeah.

Not just for

you and me,

but for creation

and for our kids

and for our kids'

kids.

That's our fault.

That's not

just

Adam's fault.

That's my fault.

That's your fault.

That's your fault.

You are directly

responsible for the death of all

of your descendants.

And that's what the

Israelites had to deal with and wrestle

with constantly.

Because this animal is

dying

per

God's judgment

in our

place.

And doesn't that make

you feel even

more remorseful

for what you do?

What an interesting,

like, wow.

Because what we're

saying is that

you are sacrificing.

I mean, because what I was

going to say is that this

isn't only food.

This isn't only possible clothing.

This is also like

money.

But for sacrifices

specifically, it

was a

living

thing.

But it was a

life.

It was, you know, continuing

to take part in

this curse,

really.

And God asking

you, you

have to

endure this.

Because I'm asking you to,

because, you know,

blood needs to be shed for

this.

But, you know,

we're sacrificing the best

and we need the best in

order to make the sacrifice.

And we have to

rely on God.

God is pretty much

going to give us

what we need

in order to make the sacrifice.

Not pretty much.

He has to.

He has to in

order for us to get Have out.

you heard about the

time

in, I guess, U

.S.

history where they

would go out and

hunt for animals

every day, like deer,

whatever else, I don't know, animals.

But they would hunt wild animals

and bring them to market.

And they would

basically do that every

single day because they didn't have a way

to refrigerate

and like keep the meat

fresh before it's spoiled.

So mass market hunting.

And it was enough to feed

families, right?

Each day.

And so if you imagine the

Israelites,

well, actually, I'm going to finish that.

That wiped out most of

the wild deer

population

across

the whole U .S.

And so now there's only like certain

portions of forests

that actually have

a population

still.

And so that was the

entire U .S.

Like you look at a map of

Israel, like that thing is teeny

tiny.

And then the group

of people,

I think it actually numbers them

at some points,

but way smaller

than 300,

or I guess it would have been smaller,

way less than what the U .S.

was at that time.

Which makes me think

like if every single

family and every single person has

to make a sacrifice for their

sin,

every sin that they know,

and then for

every sin that they don't know,

and then

they have to

do that constantly,

like daily.

Isn't that enough

to

totally wipe

out the entire

population of

good sheep?

Yeah, why didn't they just...

You would just be left with

sheep

that suck.

Sheep and goats

that just like they're

not the crema crop anymore.

Like they are

old.

They are

producing

like damaged,

what

do you call,

the baby sheep

from the

perspective of the parents.

There's a word for offspring.

Sure.

I think there's a more technical term, but

it's a lamb.

Yeah, I know it's a lamb, but from the

parents perspective.

Oh, U.

Yeah,

E -W -E.

Like their U is just

trash,

right?

Because otherwise

it would have been

sacrificed,

right?

And so you get this cycle of

like

spiraling

down

the

breeding

path to disaster,

right?

Well, even if we take out

the aspect of

you're

sacrificing

whatever

specific perfect

offering,

the point

you're making...

It shouldn't be possible.

The animal

should all be gone.

You should be starving.

You should be dead.

Yeah, it shouldn't have been

possible.

Like,

but throwing

in the factor

that...

And I don't know if it was all of

them.

We'd have to look at it.

Yeah, we'd have to dig into this, but just

summarizing.

Even every

so often, if every so

often, maybe once

a week, it has to be a

spotless lamb

or a specific kind

of goat or whatever.

Like even still,

they would have to have of

the

largest economy It's nothing.

It's nothing.

It's nothing.

It's nothing.

of sheep,

like mass

factory

grazing.

They would have had the

head to

have like grazing hills

everywhere.

And like everybody's job

was,

yeah,

everybody's job would have been

being a shepherd,

right?

Which I guess there were cultures that

made fun of Jews

for being shepherds,

worthless shepherds.

All they do is walk sheep

around.

And David meanwhile

is like killing

lions with his bare

hands.

Yeah,

I don't think it should have been

possible unless they had this

mass

economy

to support

it.

Because we're sinning.

Because there was an

economy.

Yeah, sure.

But they were also arrogant thinking

that they weren't sinning.

It was like we are, right?

But they still had to make a sacrifice for

unknown sins.

But just because they had

to by

law,

like doesn't mean they did.

Because they had to

have the year

of Jubilee,

and they never did.

Never, not a single one.

And

God's patience,

I guess, was

long for that one.

But it could have been wrapped up

in exiles too.

I mean, when

God punishes,

or I guess disciplines

rather,

and sometimes punishes,

I guess judges would be

better.

He doesn't always tell us

why.

So maybe that was wrapped

up in some of that.

But backing

up, we've got

Abel's heart

showing

that he

wants to give

in an unsustainable

way because he knows

that who he's giving

to is the sustainer of all

things.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Meanwhile,

Cain is giving

not

first fruits.

Where does it say it?

Cain brought to the Lord an

offering of the fruits of

the ground.

So it's just a general offering.

Yeah.

Just like that's a check

mark on the list.

Yeah.

You know, like the

governor gets his taxes.

Right.

But there's no love in it.

So that's

what I was feeling for there.

So move into verse 4,

and Abel also brought,

so I'm ready to go over

that.

And the Lord had regard for

Abel and his

offering.

Had regard,

regard.

What does that even mean?

Like he appreciated it?

I feel like it is more

of an acknowledgment,

but acceptance.

Acceptance.

Because he mentions that.

Yeah.

So the

Lord accepted

Abel

and his offering.

So if you're going to do something for

God… You better do it

well.

Yeah.

Do it the way in which… Do

it the way that your

child brings you

the

worst crayon drawing,

but it's sober out of it.

Yeah.

Right?

It's a work of

art.

It's not about the quality.

It's about the heart.

Yeah.

Dang.

Yeah.

Moving again.

Yeah.

But for Cain, yeah.

Sorry.

I was going right there.

But, you know, he

had no regard.

And, you know, it's like, oh,

why didn't he have any

regard?

I feel like it answers it in the next

sentence.

So Cain became very

angry.

Yeah.

Why?

It's like… But his face fell.

But why… Why?

I mean,

the Lord absolutely says that.

It's like, dude, why?

What's going on, bro?

Like… Like we're

still… Because… I mean,

yeah, your gift sucked because

I didn't like your attitude.

Yeah.

I know your heart.

Yeah.

Like, give me a break, Cain.

Yeah.

Don't throw up to the party and pretend

you want to be here.

It may not even…

Have been an

initial, like,

pride.

It could have been because God knows

his heart and his mind.

It could have just been that he knew that
he

was going to have that reaction.

And that was enough.

But it was also like a general thing.

So I've been in

a dating season for a while now.

And essentially,

the best takeaways that I've

had is if you go on a first

date,

or just like dates in general,

like the best idea

to have

the best date possible

is to get into the

mindset of I

want to love on

this person and show

them the best time that

I possibly can

reasonably.

I want to be curious

about… About steak dinner,

candle lighting.

Reasonably.

I want to know about them.

I want to be curious.

Like, I want to be fascinated by

them.

And if I'm not finding something

to be fascinated about,

I'm doing my job wrong.

I haven't dug deep enough.

I haven't figured out something that

I'm actually curious

about.

I haven't done the work

to find that

bit.

And then also,

like, you get more

serious with a girl and like you

want to give her gifts

and you don't just like throw something

together.

You put some thought in there.

You put some thought and some effort.

You go out of your way.

Meaning, symbols.

I don't grab gifts

from my family.

I grab gifts

for for my my

girlfriends.

I've got wrapping paper in my

closet with like

twine

and I wrapped

her

present with that

just because

I wanted to like give

her the best.

No, I was given my mom

presents but I did the same thing to her.

It was pretty sick.

I have some skills.

I get it from her.

But

that's the

point, right?

If we truly love something,

we don't bring a

present in the

Amazon box.

Well, we do things

differently from how we would normally

do it.

And Cain did it how he

would normally would do it.

He did it with no regard.

Yeah, that's what I mean.

So Abel regarded

God and God regarded

Abel.

Cain disregarded

God and God

rejected.

Disregarded Cain.

So it's like

going to a date

and being totally

disinterested, not

talkative, not curious at

all.

And then wondering why you're not going to
go

on a second date with this girl.

Well, you didn't even show

up.

Why would you

expect to

have any interest for

the second date?

Why are you interested?

You didn't seem like you're interested.

Why should she reciprocate

if you didn't even put a foot

forward?

Cain, why did you even show up?

What do you expect

to show up

with the

least regard possible

and then have

God be like, Oh

my gosh, thank you so much,

Cain.

You're the best.

Hugs, kisses, right?

No, get out of here.

Right.

Like, I know your attitude.

Like, what are you doing?

This is stupid.

I'm not gonna sit

here and pretend that

you

want me,

that you desire to spend time with

me.

No.

I know Abel does.

He thought about it.

Look at it.

He brought not only the

firstborn,

he brought the fat of

all the other sheep that he

slaughtered.

He saved the best of the best.

Like, the tallow that

y 'all would have saved

and used to

spice everything, all

your salads

and your fried food

up.

He brought that to

me because he loves me.

So that's why I'm saying immediately.

And then it's kind of confirmed with what

God says.

The Lord said to Cain, why are

you angry and why has your face

fallen?

It's almost like what

I just talked about.

It's like, come on, Cain.

Really.

You're gonna be mad that

I'm not accepting

you when

you came

into this, not accepting

me.

Really?

Like, I made you

and your parents,

I put my foot forward

first.

Step up.

You can't expect me to

initiate constantly.

Like, Stephen talks about this with

some ex -friends.

Like, you dropped some friends.

Why?

Mmm.

Because they

weren't willing to

put in work and move

forward with their own

lives.

They would never initiate a conversation.

Yeah.

That too.

And you'd only get

one word answers even out of

them.

Yeah.

Even with, like, if you would ask,

like,

what is

the best and

worst thing about your week?

And you'd just say, hmm,

it was good.

That would be it.

I mean,

had some good food.

Work was hard.

It's like barely a relationship.

Yeah.

GPT could do better than that.

GPT does do better than that.

Yeah.

Just because it's programmed to

do so.

Yeah.

A relationship takes effort.

It takes work.

It takes time.

And Kane clearly did not

give a ***.

Excuse my language.

I have to bleep that out.

Stephen, mark the time.

Two hours, 27 seconds.

Oh my gosh.

Don't mark it.

He said ***.

That's none of the time.

Yo!

There's another one.

All right.

Two hours,

27, 35.

I think that's

a good opportunity for us

to transition.

Transition.

Oh,

hold on.

Because we're almost

three hours in.

I know, dude.

I know.

Chill.

Why is your face falling?

I'm wondering why the podcast

goes four hours.

Hold on.

The first segment.

We'll blaze through it.

No, The first segment.

We'll blaze through it.

Life check -in.

That took an hour.

Yeah.

So we're technically only an

hour and a half in.

Yeah.

All right.

Let me read

the rest.

We would have been long time.

Okay.

So why are you angry?

Why is your face falling?

If you do well, will you not be

accepted?

Yeah, no.

Not duh.

Yeah.

Like if you put in the work

for this

relationship,

don't you think I'll do the same?

Like if you don't want this, just

tell me.

Right?

If you don't, sin

is crouching at your

door and its desire

is to

destroy you.

But you must rule over it.

So now that's

different,

right?

That's not necessarily

relationship anymore.

Like this is bringing it to

like a deeper,

additional reality

of

like...

You need to have self

-control.

Right.

No, no, It's like in the presence

of God in

and...

relationship,

yeah, it's hard.

Yeah, it takes work.

It takes effort.

But in relationship with God, there's not

even a question of sin.

As soon as you

decide, no, I don't

want to put in the work, I don't want

to put in effort

to love God, have

relationship with Him,

accept Him and be accepted

by Him.

Now, all of a

sudden, because

of that, you

are vulnerable to

this thing,

this being, this

law,

whatever it is, that will

not only

be

just an absence of God,

which is bad enough,

but a destroyer

of your entire world.

So it's like a double whammy.

Like it's not just walking

away from God.

It's letting sin

destroy you.

Yeah, most of the consequence of

stepping away from God.

Yeah, it's just a natural

consequence.

Yeah, because sin is

death, which is the destruction.

Sin caused death.

Right, which basically

means that it is, because

it's

not living,

you're not living life because you're sin.

That's not necessarily

sin, it's just a

result.

Well, yeah, but

it's

not living.

You are not living.

I mean, you're just not living

because

you're

sinning.

God, and therefore God doesn't

accept you,

the maker, the creator, the

sustainer of all things,

the energy source,

the life source, right?

If that's disconnected,

turned off, what's the result?

No more life,

no more energy, decay,

entropy,

right?

So it just makes sense.

Death is the final result.

There will be, this is

not disputed,

a heat death of the universe

because of decay,

because we

chose to

not accept God and

therefore He did not accept

us.

Crazy.

Yeah, so that's the consequence.

Good way to put that.

There's so many,

I mean,

there's so many like,

I guess,

contractual

ways in which

God lays out the

consequences.

It's not even practical.

But there's also natural.

It's just the way it is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I'm saying like, He

lays it out kind of

as like,

here's the conditions,

here's how things work

around here.

But He doesn't,

but like what you're saying, it's

like there's a natural

order.

Like He's not

laying these things out

because...

He sucks and He wants to make our

lives miserable.

Well, not even that necessarily.

It's not like He's laying these things

out because

He's going to

enforce it.

It's not arbitrary.

And yeah, it's not arbitrary.

He's not going to just like in the

moment that you turn

around and don't do this thing, like He's

going to be like, it's

more like He

created

everything.

The way He thinks.

He set the course

of time.

And yes, He is going to be involved

in this.

But also, if you

touch fire, you're going to get

burnt.

Yeah.

Like,

that's

built into the contract.

That's built into

everything.

That's just physics.

That's just physics, dog.

It's just like,

it's just everything.

And it's like, you know,

everything is not just

natural and it's not

just spiritual.

It's together, right?

It's both.

And God's Word isn't

just Him telling

you, hey, this is what I'm

going to do.

It's like, no, this is the

consequence for

what you do.

And yes, I'm going to enact it

naturally.

And yes, I'm going to enact

it spiritually.

And you're going to

endure both.

You are choosing to endure

both, in fact.

And this is

shown also

in like the afterlife,

like in heaven.

God is very clear that

we won't just

be spirit that will

receive new bodies.

So it's not...

He desires a

physicality, a

natural...

It's not that spiritual

is invisible and

unknowable

and like ethereal.

It's that the spiritual

and the physical are

together.

They just are.

And I think that's

going back to simulation

theory.

That's just the...

If you think about that, that's the best
way

that people could understand this right

now.

If you think about that, like the

spiritual is the thought,

is the imagination,

is the sketch

in God's head

and the

material is

that

becoming real.

So God

is

metamaterial.

He's above it, outside

of it, because He created

it, but He can also be part of

it.

Interesting.

There's one last bit.

You must rule over it.

That means we must have

some sort of secret

sauce, some sort of power.

What do you think about that?

I mean, Stephen,

do you think...

So God's sort of implying

here, right, that we have

the ability to

rule over sin.

Is that right?

Yes.

And I think it goes back to

what you guys

were saying earlier,

is choices.

Free will?

Yeah.

Okay.

So,

So...

um… Well, no.

So, even as fallen

beings,

we have the

ability

to

reject

sin.

Do we?

Oh, reject it?

Mm -hmm.

Like, completely?

Mm -hmm.

No.

Well, we can't get away from

sin

without… Do

we have the ability

to rule sin?

No.

Or does sin rule us?

I mean, we…

Yeah.

Is God asking

or

asserting to

Cain something

that He knows is impossible?

That could be possible.

Um… Maybe.

He might be asking that,

and Cain's…

The response He was

wanting from Cain would have been,

you know I can't do that.

Only you can help me

do that.

Humility, right?

I don't have any power over

sin.

I know you gave me dominion

to

rule over everything.

Yeah.

But I gave my dominion to

sin.

And now sin has dominion

over me.

But you still have dominion over all

things.

And so I accept

that, and I accept

you.

So maybe God was angling

for that.

Well, what you said about

having humility,

there's… We have

to… I

guess… Well, not I guess.

We have to allow God

to make the decisions,

right?

We have to allow His

will to be done.

Mm -hmm.

Not ours.

And desire that.

And that requires

humility.

That's part of why…

It's not that we

can't make decisions.

We totally can.

Right.

Because we're so confused,

and morality to us is

subjective now.

Like, would you trust

yourself if it's a 50

shot?

Well, with Adam and

Eve,

it was us

not

making a decision

based off of

God, based off of

truth, based off of His will.

It was based off of whatever

we wanted.

It was a flawed argument.

It was what it was.

Right.

And we're just… Okay, and we're just
getting asserted

a specific

lie

mixed with the truth

of like, did God really

say that

you can't

touch this?

No.

No, you could touch the tree.

You just can't eat of it.

Mm -hmm.

Right.

You know,

like, wasn't decided.

So it's

just… You know, it's

allowing the truth to

be

what we want, I

guess, because God

is truth.

And without

the truth, there's

just negative

consequences.

Be what we want or be what

it is?

What it is.

And so when we make

decisions

aside from that,

then we're just… We're

choosing what we want.

Well, we're not

able to have…

We don't have dominion

without God.

Yeah.

And so, like you said, we're giving

our dominion to sin.

Well, we're not…

I don't know if I would put it that

way.

I'd more put it,

we're giving it up.

We don't… Giving up our dominion?

We're giving up our dominion.

We're saying, hey, God, I don't want this

anymore.

Yeah.

Because I want that instead.

Okay.

Because God gave

it to us.

Grant… And I mean, like

we pointed out before, it's a

blessing.

It's a gift.

It's a thing that was

granted us.

And yes, it is a

command.

But if I

hand it back,

in a sense, you know,

God is like, okay.

And then He hands us over

to our sin.

And that's

why He

handed us over

to, you know, the

consequences of

what we

did.

And why He

cursed Cain and why,

you know, this continues.

As Israel

decides to

reject the gifts of

God, God continues

to grant

us.

Not that,

not a better version of it,

not, you know,

whatever.

He's just like, okay, well, you

don't want this, then I'm going

to give you this.

I'm going to give you what it

is you actually want.

And you're going to continue through that

cycle of being destroyed by

it like we laid out.

Correct.

You know, sin is just going to

continue to…

Consume.

Consume.

And destroy.

And take more

from us rather than us

getting what we actually

want.

So… Oh, I think we

cooked that section.

Yeah.

Where did that land us?

Verse 8.

Verse 8.

I think that's where I actually

stopped reading in last time.

Sweet.

So, should we pray out

that section at least?

Because we didn't pray yet.

Totally forgot.

I was… When you were reading, I'm

like, oh, we should… We're going to

pray.

Yeah, I forgot.

And then I… Oh, well.

Yeah, it sucks.

We could pray out here and

then do the

decay portion.

What do you guys think?

Sure.

Cool.

Stephen, you want to take it away?

Oh, sure.

Cool.

Alrighty.

Dear Lord,

thank you for the

message that we just read through

and the

discussion.

It is usually pretty

enlightening to me

to hear different

opinions, especially.

Opens possibilities

to other ideas

with

with everything

that is going going… on

and

even

reading on

our own.

It's pretty helpful

even in my own

life.

I hope it

is as well

just as much helpful or

even more in other

people's.

And I as

well hope that

this

podcast once

we

do upload some

videos people will start

watching more and

maybe come

back and keep watching.

I also hope

that

that

any situations

that anyone is

in

at

this very moment

in time

you

give them solutions

or

direct them in a path

that is best suited

for them.

I also hope

that

Michael's

new game

goes really

well as far as a

practice run at least

if not

becomes

a good

gathering

with friends

and family.

I hope that

Daniel's date tonight

goes well

and

that's pretty much it.

Amen.

Well

that's

that is the

perfumed

section.

In our previous

episode seven

we talked

about the human

psyche

tied

to living hundreds of years,

memory and

maturity.

Is there any desire

to take that

any further?

Do we want to move on to something

else?

Well I guess I'll

kind of recap on

my statement from

it.

So we know how

some idea on

how people

lived

in that time.

How do you think it would be

comparatively to

people up today

how they would live?

What do you guys think if they

live just as long?

But that time

you're saying pre -noah

like where people lived

on average like

500 600

years.

Yeah.

Okay and so

do you say the last part again?

Basically

how do you think the average

person would

live their lives

as far as like

in the

fact of do

you

nowadays?

Yeah being that if

we nowadays could

live longer.

So if you and I if all of

us here at the table

pretty much

would have

a guarantee of living

to like 500 years old would

we appreciate as much?

Is that what you're saying?

Yeah.

Well I'm

not saying

I'm I don't

know I'm not going to say any

better than

those who did

live that way.

So I'd probably more

easily slip into

complacency.

I mean if we look at it

from a practical

standpoint they don't have

anything in the way that we do.

So

probably a

lot of their lives were

doing the same thing

over and over again because

everything took longer

everything required more

manual labor.

That we know of.

That we know of.

And

I mean that's yeah

that's the assumption that we're kind of

making.

And that's

just every day.

Like take like shepherds

were

shepherding all

day.

Yeah.

One because

you know

sheep are dumb.

But also

because they

have to protect the flock.

That's why they're there.

And they have to you

know guide them around and make sure

they're safe and

eating and check to see if

they're diseased.

You know take care of them.

Kill them if they

have to.

Whatever.

And then

wait and

kill them when they're ready.

And all this different stuff.

And that's not that's every day.

If we were to take

it from

the

standpoint of

maybe their technology

was better

and

they did more and

whatever.

And maybe God's people

more specifically

were living

differently.

Because

that's how

God's people are

supposed to be is

this set apart.

Then you know

maybe if

it does look or

did look kind of

similar to

now.

Maybe more in the sense

of like the speed

in which things get done.

Then even

still I would think

that they're kind of

doing the same

thing over and over

again.

They're you're going

to build a lot of houses

all day long.

And it's just another

way to fill your time.

This is

assuming that you

know they wouldn't have

like social media

and whatever.

So maybe

accomplishing accomplishing

things.

doesn't take as

long, but

we're still thinking,

we still got to think about the

transfer of information

and

then maybe coming

up with ways to get

things done better and

whatever.

The transfer of information

in my

opinion is

what makes

things

move faster

and better

and makes our

lives to

where we can sit down and

kind of do nothing

for a

period of time because

the

faster that the

information can get to

you,

the more you're, the faster

you're able to act upon it.

It's relevant

when it needs to

be.

So you know,

I don't think that

they had instant messaging.

I don't think they had email.

I don't think they had anything like

that.

I think if they did have any

technological advancements,

it was building

machines,

tools,

maybe anything of animals.

Yeah,

maybe.

Yeah.

Like instead

of foot travel,

it's, you know,

whatever.

But it's

pterodactyl instead of foot travel.

Yeah.

It's a living.

But the transfer of

information is

key to

the digital era.

It's what defines it.

It's what's made AI

possible.

It's what's made

video games

possible.

It's what's put us in

this weird place

where we're

questioning

education or

at least I'm questioning

the educational

system because

it's like, okay, but

I can learn.

I mean, even before AI

was more widely

used, it's like I could

have just gone on Google

or gone on just

YouTube alone

and figured out

any number of things.

And that's how people

are learning.

That is the educator

of the world right

now to

do whatever you want,

not just whatever

people are willing to teach

you.

Whatever you have a natural affinity

for.

Yeah.

And so

without

that,

I see

it's a lot

less of not

necessarily doing the things that

you want because

indulgences are different.

You know, there's still always going to be

the rich people that can

do whatever the heck they want, get

fat and eat and

have all the girls and party

and whatever.

But you know,

I don't think that's going to

change.

I don't think that was any

different back then.

So probably more.

Sure.

Because I know when

I don't have

something that I like to

do work wise,

I don't have a hobby, a project,

a good job

that

gives me purpose, meaning

fulfillment.

Like I just want to feel

numb.

Yeah.

Or I just want to enjoy

whatever I have

as much as possible.

That's the point of

gluttony.

Right.

Yeah.

So I'll just sit and

watch an

entire season of

a TV show

and

eat junk food

all day.

Yeah.

That's my version of

partying it up.

Right.

Pre -no.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I mean, that's just

if you have time on

your hands.

Why not?

I'll do it tomorrow.

Yeah.

So it'd be easier to fall into that

trap of tomorrow.

Yeah.

And

that's the issue that

I see now.

But I think,

I mean, pre -no, post

-no, it's

like things are

fairly,

what's the word,

rudimentary.

Like there's not,

I mean, no matter

when

the

pyramids

were built,

well,

took a long

time

to

build what?

The temple

with

- A long time in our perspective.

Well, a long time.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

And so now our perspective - So

like Noah built

the Ark.

It's documented, I think, in less

than 100 years.

Thing is massive.

Yeah.

And he built it with his family and
probably

not much else helped.

Yeah.

But it took like, maybe it was

50 years, but let's just say 100.

Like that's a ninth of his life.

That's like

Russ,

average people, average

man lives

to 76 in the

US, I think.

What would that be?

Like less than 10

years,

like seven years of your

life.

Sure.

It's a hefty project.

Yeah.

But it's not, it's like a chapter.

Yeah.

It's not your whole life.

But it's still

like,

during the day,

it's just that.

Like you still experience and

then you sleep life the

same way that we do.

The perspective changes

over time.

Well, I'm saying

like,

you're just,

you're really just working all

day.

Because that's what

you do.

You do.

And like, when

you get whatever

thing done, like maybe

you get done early because

you're a carpenter or

you're your

blacksmith a blacksmith or -

whatever it is that you're doing.

Maybe you walk her on the project.

Yeah, you you can

stop because you do need to

rest.

Yeah, but resting

is different from

having idle time.

And in because in

rest, you know, oh, maybe

I'm gonna go spend time with my

friends.

Maybe I'm gonna go and hang out with my

family.

Maybe I'm going to go and do

whatever things are

restful, because

I need to

get prepared

for the next

day.

And then, you know, I need to eat

and I need to sleep and whatever.

But,

you know, the difference

with idle time is

I'm doing this

because I don't

want to do

anything else.

Right.

And we find

with the transfer of

information, the way that it

is, I say we're

able to we

have more of that idle

time,

because

we can

we have so many avenues

to get things done quicker,

you know,

but also

with the

creation

of YouTube, GBT,

Google,

and the availability

of information

to those who seek

it.

And not just general

information information that can

change a person's

like,

work life,

yeah, and life in general.

That's less

common.

Is everything less common

than back then you

would think what

that people.

So maybe it's people

nowadays are idle

because

because

they have.

Okay, people

nowadays are idle and they have

no excuse.

People back then were idle

and did

have more excuse than

we do today.

Well, I'm

saying

idle

idleness

is I

actually I

don't need to do

anything.

We have more of

that because

the need

is eight hours,

right?

And 40 hours a week.

And then we have our weekend

and yeah, now it is.

Whereas back then,

it was whenever there was daylight,

it was Yeah, it

was you're working.

And, you know,

maybe and we

get to a stopping point because we

need to rest, or

something stops

us or whatever.

And that that time

isn't idle

necessarily, because you

are the word need to rest.

You need to stop.

That's part of the work.

Yeah, I've talked about this with

people before.

It's a whole different tangent

of like, what makes work

work and

outside life not

work.

Yeah, I don't

think there's a difference.

What makes school

school and not work.

I think it's work.

Well, it's

like people say it all the

time, you're learning every day of your

life.

And so

a

great perspective

for

schooling is

this is

going to be your

life and teaching you

more how

to live

your life in that

way, where you're

taught how to learn

how to teach

into

whatever,

rather than you need to

know this in order

to get out of here.

Because that's the way it's it's laid

out granted, you know, people making

money.

But same thing with work.

It's like, oh, I'm working

so that I can just

get money,

so that I can

pay my bills.

It's like, but but here's the thing

you're in and

then we see schooling is like,

okay, I need to go to school,

I need to get out of school so that I can

go and work so I can make money so that I

can pay my bills all surviving.

It's yeah, it's all surviving.

The peak interest is to survive

and same back then, like,

why do you work all

day to survive?

Why do you stop working to

eat, to drink,

to survive?

And now it's just more

complicated, the economy

is

just

nuanced,

to the point where we can do a very

specific thing,

earn money for

it.

And that's what we do

in place of hunting and gathering,

right?

Yeah.

And, and I mean, there's there's

things that we can do

that are purely

entertainment.

But how are how are we

viewing that?

Is it is it

idle time,

because

I don't want to do anything

else?

Or is it

time being spent,

you know,

enjoying other people

or being inspired,

or whatever, like,

I don't watch movies

anymore, because

I

just want to

watch a movie.

In fact, I'm not incapable of it

anymore.

Yeah.

I watch movies

because I

am working with somebody

that wants to make

movies.

And so I'll go and

find a movie,

and I'll watch

it and I'm gonna sit there,

I'm going to enjoy the movie,

you know, I'm gonna settle my fat

butt and whatever,

but skinny butt,

but I'm right.

I'm gonna sit there.

I'm gonna sit there and

I'm going to take

in what's going

on.

So that I can utilize

it.

I'm going to take in writing I'm

going to take in when I listen to music

I it is

so hard for me to listen to

music and just I'm not Jeff

now realizing this.

No.

No, for me to sit and

just listen to music.

Can be in the moment.

No.

And just be like,

I'm just gonna have music on.

Yeah.

I'm going to consume

that music.

Yeah.

I want to know what they're writing

about.

I want to

hear

their,

the music.

If you, if you give

me a

full understanding

of

how the

process of how they wrote this

song and a

kind of instrumentation

and the programs

that they use and the person that

they, you know, gave

them the studio space and

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Like, if you give me all of that

information, one, that's

useful.

Two,

because I want, I want to make music

myself.

Two,

I'm, I'm seeing

just

everything.

And it's, and it's, and it's,

it's more than just,

oh, I'm enjoying this.

It's like, well, you know,

how,

how can I use this information

to go further?

How can I

produce

the same thing?

Like I said, it's, it's useful

and it's inspiration.

It's an, it's inspiration.

And,

you know, I can't just

listen to music,

just to have

the music there.

I want to listen to music

because I want

it.

Because you're fascinated by it.

Well, because I'm fascinated by it

and I want to

use it to go

further.

I want to learn from it.

I want to grow from it.

And I want to do the same

thing because I want,

because that is my work.

That is my, I mean, I have

a calling for music.

That is undeniable.

I, I'm called to do

music.

My gift, my

work in life,

my

trajectory

is

music.

Have you ever heard that stuff?

Is films, is writing,

is whatever.

Everything that, everything that I

do.

Is that creative.

Is to do

those things.

And so it's like, I

don't, I don't go to

work so I can make

money so that I

can pay my

bills.

I go to work and I

sit there

and I

am thinking about

how I'm going to go and

work to do more.

I'm right.

I make, I'm making a game right now.

This is years

in the process,

four years

of just

nothing.

But I had to work at it.

I had to think.

I had to write it down.

I use so much paper,

so much paper.

I had to build relationships with

people.

I had to get feedback.

I had to,

you know, this is a, this is a long

process.

Writing a book is a long

process.

Making a podcast is a long

process.

Making music is a long

process.

And what is that?

It's not just having fun.

It's working.

Yeah.

So how,

so people are looking for

idle time.

I that's, they want

to do all these

things so that they can

sit there and do nothing

and do nothing.

But you're saying nothing

is not the,

the target we should

be shooting for.

Yeah.

You just haven't found your

thing.

You just haven't found the thing that
you're willing to

work for.

But the instant you find

that passion,

you're working your

tail end off

until you die.

It might not even be a

finding of a passion.

It'll be a

discovery.

Like, yeah, for me, I

never knew that I would

be in

computers and like

technical consulting,

like working on

CMs and software.

I sort of, it

fell in my lap

and there was an opportunity

and I was like, well,

this is really hard,

but I'll give it a shot.

I remember the first time I opened

up the, uh, the

CRM that I was,

became an expert in.

I was like,

uh,

I spent like a good

four hours trying to figure it out, but

I got so frustrated.

Just walked away and I'm like,

man, it's going to take

me to like learning a

brand new language.

I don't know if I'll ever be able

to do it.

And then a year later I was

proficient.

And then seven years later,

I'm like

top 10 expert

in the States.

And it's

not that I loved it.

It's not that I was passionate about

it.

It's that I had to,

that was my end

to

this other career that I was

pursuing at the time.

And because I

had a natural

talent for that and I

became good at it, I

learned to love it.

And so sometimes

those

affinities

find you,

you don't have to find them.

And think of it this

way.

And it could be anything.

Yeah.

Like that talent that I

have could have applied to

a whole bunch of other

categories, I'm sure.

And I could have gotten really good

at it and felt a

sense of fulfillment and purpose

from that work

too.

And that would be my

life bent.

Yeah.

Well, and if you think

about it, like you

are working,

when you work and

you just work, and then you go

have idle time,

and you're not working towards anything,
you don't

have any goals, whatever, your

work is everything.

And you talk about it, you

do it, you think about it,

you cry about it,

You you are, your

relationship.

relationships are about it.

The only thing that people know about you

is that thing.

When you have

whatever else

thing that you're passionate

about,

like, I mean, like people

have kids.

Okay.

Oh, we wanted kids.

Now you have kids.

Now you have kids.

Well, it's a lot of work.

I wouldn't know.

And it know, and it, it is

everything.

Yes, you go to work.

Yes, you have downtime,

but your downtime

is

there

because you need

to rest.

You need to have time to yourself

because you have kids

and kids take a lot of

work.

And you have to

work on

top of taking care of kids

means that you

need rest.

And God knows that.

And yeah, and God knows that

made a whole day for

it.

And it's like, that

becomes your whole identity.

Any passion,

it becomes your whole

identity.

Why?

Because the

things that you put

work into,

you love,

are the things you love

and are the things

that you want

to talk about,

that you want to think about,

that you, I mean,

whether, whether or not.

found You that interest.

Well,

and you found that interesting thing.

And that's sort of going back to

that conversation,

that idea of like,

when you go on a date, you should

be finding the thing

that's interesting about that person.

Yeah.

And if you don't

find it, you haven't looked hard

enough.

You haven't worked hard enough.

Yeah.

And the harder you work at it,

the more you know them in

detail.

And everything takes more.

Yeah.

The more you work at it, the more you love

them.

Yeah.

The things that are worth it to you, the

things that you're working

in and

the negative connotation

behind work

is the stupidest thing

because

you're,

the negative connotation

could come from the curse though.

I mean, sure.

But, but,

but I think we even laid this out that

working,

it made it

more valuable

to us because we

had to put in

more.

We had to sacrifice

more.

We're sacrificing more

time, more

effort,

more of ourselves, just

at all.

And then we end up at the end of

it.

And granted,

if you do not,

if you're not a Christian,

it yields nothing.

But if you are a Christian,

it yields everything.

But because you can

offer it up to God.

That's, that's the way that it

offers everything.

And yeah, because if you put

your work first above God,

it'll yield you nothing.

Everything will go away.

Yeah.

Like you and I, like

we'll be forgotten

in less than a hundred

years.

I guarantee it.

Yeah.

Um, even if our names

are great,

like our names will be

forgotten.

Um,

the, that's the,

the curse of work is

like you both have to

work harder

to

remove the weeds from

the garden,

but you also,

all that, that garden

will die

off when you're gone.

So like even the pyramids,

like they've lasted thousands

of years now, but the

stories of those pyramids,

like the very detailed stories

of those people

gone and

the, like the work that they

left behind, it's cool.

No, but there's no credit.

Yeah.

Well, I even had,

I haven't heard, um,

at SBC, Shay,

Doxing.

Uh,

wait that out.

Yeah.

What are you doing?

Um, write it down, Steven.

Yeah.

Time stand three, 12,

10.

But I was at

that, at this group

and you

know, he made a good

point.

He's like all these

grand things.

It's like, like he brought up Einstein.

He's like, oh yeah, Einstein did
incredible

things, but you get told

that.

And then you move on with

your life, you

know, and it's like, oh yeah, he did
really

cool stuff.

It's like, he's like, you don't really
even

talk about it.

You don't really care

unless

you're a major nerd and

you're just like, you know, thinking

about it all the time.

But even then you can't do

anything about that.

And it doesn't matter to you unless you're
a

physicist and you're like working

on the problems that he was working on.

Yeah.

But even then, his shoulders,

his foundation of work.

Unless you're building a relationship

with something,

you're not building

anything.

Yeah.

Because,

and I'll say this all day,

this is basically what my

book is about.

Relationships are everything.

Communication is

the building

blocks of relationship.

And relationship is

the result and relationship

is everything.

God desires relationship with

us.

That's why he communicates with us.

And we communicate with other

people.

I mean, that's the point of this

podcast, right?

Is to communicate with people

because we want to,

we want to help their

relationship with God and

we want to show them our

relationship and we want to

talk to each other about

these things because

we want to build our relationships.

The reason that transportation

is the way that it is, because

we want our relationships

to build faster.

Part of communication

is the way

that it way that it is, the

transfer the transfer of of communication.

information,

part of that is to build

stronger communications.

Granted, some of those...

Strong relationships.

Strong relationships.

And part of

that is bad

relationships.

Yeah, it backfires.

Bad things to happen.

And yeah, and it also

backfires.

But everything

is about

relationships.

Mm -hmm.

Weapons.

They're about bad relationships.

AI.

AI.

The whole concept of

AI is how one

thing relates to another

statistically.

Computers is

just relating

things.

Mm -hmm.

Relating nature

in the form of electrons

in a super complex

way that gives us

digital technology.

If I describe

something, I'm

talking about my relationship

with it.

Mm -hmm.

My perspective on it.

Yeah.

Everything is relationships.

Mm -hmm.

And what's

interesting is that

there's

seemingly...

We're always building towards a

relationship.

But if we aren't

intentional...

Yeah.

...

harkening back

to

Cain and Abel,

if we aren't

intentional...

...

focused...

Yeah, if it's not focused work,

then we're just idle

working towards

nothing.

Well,

we're not...

We're not...

We might as well be idle

if we're

unfocused in our work.

Yeah.

Because we could be creating a tornado,

a storm, a mess.

Well, but if you're...

Here's the thing.

If you

go to work,

get home, sit down, you watch TV,

you eat dinner, and you go to

sleep...

Mm -hmm.

And you're doing that just

to do it again.

That's your relationship

with everyone,

everything,

and what you

are building

is destruction.

It's nothing.

It's pointless.

It's decay.

Yeah.

It's...

When you describe that,

what is that person feeling?

Yeah, nothing.

Pointlessness.

Trusting, coping,

just trying to survive to the

next day.

Sometimes that's fine, but

that's the path

to death.

I don't know if

it's true, but...

It doesn't lead you anywhere.

It just keeps you right where you're at,

which is no...

And right where you're at

for this world is

per

entropy,

to nothingness,

to death.

And

apparently,

the likelihood

that a

man or a woman's gonna

die

increases

when they retire

when they stop

working.

Because it cuts off

a whole bunch of work relationships,

and that was like 60 %

of their life.

Why are all these old

people...

Why do they have all these hobbies?

I mean, dude,

when I was cleaning...

Why did so many come back

to work?

Because it just leads

to death.

They

gave...

They cultivated

relationships in their work

instead of cultivating

relationships

elsewhere

in

balance.

Like cultivating

relationships in the church

with God, with your

family, with your

kids,

with your parents,

with your grandkids.

If you think about it, the

things that

the world

wants us

to focus

on isn't building

relationships ourselves.

It's ourselves.

It's...

How do you relate to yourself?

Yeah.

It's like you're with

yourself all day

long.

Yeah.

And you can't get away from

yourself.

And yes, I guess

you can work

on yourself and

whatever...

But why would you work on yourself?

Where does that end you up?

Working on yourself is

for the

sole purpose of relating

better with other people.

It should be.

Or I guess you could

claim to relate better to

yourself.

Because we've got that voice

of

anxiety

or

the

harper.

It'll harp on you and nag

you and judge you and

be super

harsh

to

you.

Working on yourself is

to become

more

in control of that I guess.

Or...

Yeah.

Well, if you

did

everything purely

for yourself, what are

you doing?

You're isolating yourself?

Mm -hmm.

You're pushing everyone away?

Mm -hmm.

And where that ends you up...

Is alone.

Is alone, naked,

no food,

nothing.

Because you...

Especially in today's day and age,

you need somebody to have

built everything.

Yeah.

Let me look this up.

You need...

I mean, it's possible for you

to get kicked out of

a country,

of a city, of

a family, of

whatever.

You can get kicked out of places.

And where that ends you up,

ultimately, if you keep doing that,

because you're purely

looking out for yourself,

is

nowhere.

It's death.

It's the end.

You end up in jail.

And you don't want to be in

jail, because you're

confined for

your selfishness.

Mm -hmm.

And if you

end up continuing this

trend, you end up in

solitary

confinement.

Which is the worst.

Which Which is isolation.

The...

one of the worst punishments

that you can endure in prison.

Yeah, and it's like

the only interaction that

you get is the dude that's probably

gonna just bring you food.

Mm -hmm.

Okay.

Oh, your camera just died a

little bit there.

Okay.

Y 'all ready for this?

I'm ready.

Um, I hope it works.

Trying to get GPT up.

Is it not gonna do its

thing?

Alright, keep going.

Don't mind me while I fix

this.

Again.

But yeah.

Oh, there we go.

I got it.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

There we go.

Okay.

How many people are directly and

then indirectly

responsible for creating for the

creating of a pencil?

It's huge.

Long answer.

Uh, let's see.

Oh, it's actually a famous

thought experiment by Milton

Friedman's

eye pencil.

It's wild once you

unpack it.

Um, so directly

responsible hands -on

contributors,

lumber workers,

tree planting, harvesting

the cedar, graphite

miners, clay miners

for the

graphite mix.

Factory workers,

machine operators and maintenance

techs, quality inspectors,

package workers,

logistics workers, truck

drivers, warehouse staff.

A single modern pencil

factory can involve

hundreds of people and

that's before you count

upstream extraction.

I think that just means like

delivery.

Yeah.

Right.

And this is just the,

what do you think of as a wooden

pencil, a B2 pencil?

Yeah.

Just one pencil.

Yeah.

Who's indirectly responsible

supporting that system?

People who manufacture the machines

that cut wood and extrude

graphite.

Engineers who design those machines,

steel workers who made the machines

parts, energy workers,

power plant operators, oil

and gas workers.

Software developers for logistics,

inventory and accounting systems,

road construction crews maintaining

highways used in transport.

Port workers and ship crews of

materials across borders, teachers

who educated the workers,

healthcare workers who keep the

workforce healthy,

farmers who feed all of the above.

Farmers coming in clutch.

Crazy, buddy.

Crazy.

And this is all for

you to sit there.

And take a note.

And take a freaking note.

On your

little sketch

pad,

draw a little doodle.

You know who they didn't include?

What?

The manufacturers of the

paint to make your pencil yellow

and the eraser.

Dang.

And the metal that holds the eraser in

place.

Yeah.

And the machine that

stamps the number two into

it.

And the ink that gives you that

colorful green and

that number two impression.

Wow.

So this is not

even fully

detailed by

itself.

But we don't need anybody.

We don't.

You don't need that.

You could do life by yourselves.

Yeah, yeah.

We got this.

Okay, so challenge

for the

person that thinks they can live their
life

by themselves.

Go and make a pencil.

Do it.

Right now.

You won't.

Go and do it.

Make it, you know what, in fact,

make it look exactly

like

your

typical...

Number two.

Number two.

Graphite pencil.

Do it.

Do it.

While you're at it, go and build a

rocket.

Show Elon up.

Go, just do it.

Just do it.

Imagine how many people it takes to build

a rocket.

I mean...

It takes people that are dead.

Elon is resting

on the shoulders of

so many physicists that have

passed.

Yeah.

Every discovery that

we make now is

based off of

what people did

before.

We would not be where we're at

without those people.

And we would not be where we're at without

God.

Yeah, but we don't need anybody.

No, we can live life on our own.

How do people come to this

conclusion?

Because they're able

to get a job.

They're able to

buy food

at the store.

Right.

They just completely

erase

the existence of other

humans.

Like, they lie to themselves

and

they just

ignore everything.

And it's just...

I don't get it either.

It's arrogant.

It hurts me.

Yeah.

And I know people like that.

But

it's...

You cannot live life on your

own.

You just can't.

Like, if you're living,

you're breathing air that plants

built for you.

That's an interesting way of putting that.

Yeah.

I mean, we're talking about,

like, physical, practical

means, but, like,

emotionally.

Yeah.

I mean, well, we talked about the
isolation

thing, like, mentally.

You break down.

Like, when

you're born,

if

they

took you, put

you

outside...

Like they do in Russia.

And then just left

you,

literally right after

you're born.

Right.

Do you live?

If you're Russian.

No.

You die.

Maybe you can find a wolf

family...

Grog, that's the wolf kid.

Yeah, but even still, you

needed something.

That relationship.

You needed that relationship.

Yeah.

So, all those people that are

alone and doing

life on their own, how many of

them have pets?

But I don't need anybody.

I don't anybody.

need anybody.

Um,

if it's this just...

is how you live,

it sounds like we're making fun of

you.

We're not.

We're not.

I want to

know you.

I'm gonna build a relationship

with you.

Yeah.

You're my target

audience.

My target.

Um, target.

I'm coming for you.

I will find you.

Um.

And I will relate to you.

But no, seriously, that is

the idea

in Christianity of

being lost.

Is being

without.

Ooh.

Keep going.

What, well, one, it's obviously

being without

God.

Yeah.

Without having a direction.

Yeah.

Without whatever.

But, but everything

pertaining to God

has to do

with unity.

Yeah.

Relationship.

Yeah.

I mean, the

church,

Jesus, the Holy Spirit,

it's all, it all, it

all comes

full circle.

And when you're lost,

you don't have

that.

You're speaking that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It is, I mean, it is, it is

a huge topic

that everybody wants

community.

I have a friend.

He, he started

larping.

Hilarious, but go on.

Because he

wanted,

he felt accepted.

Yeah.

Because he felt like he

belonged

and, and,

all this stuff.

Everybody is looking

for some where

for that acceptance.

If you, if you look at the chapter

four,

God and Cain,

the problem was acceptance.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, and, and, the thing is,

that we think

in our

day and age is like, oh, you should

just accept me,

but that's not that way with

God.

He's not just going to

accept you and

you are, I

mean, he's going to accept him first.

He's going to take you as you

are.

But, but, but that

requires you to

understand what

he's asking of you.

And you can't, I mean,

you walk into somebody's house

and you shoot their

daughter in the head.

They're not going to accept

you.

If

you

steal something from them, they're not

just going to accept you.

And what's, but what's crazy

is we go into the

house of God.

We kill his people.

We steal from his table.

We spit in his face.

We kill him for Pete's sake.

And he still lets us in

because of forgiveness,

which by the way,

again, destroys

the world's morality.

Right.

Because he's taking the

punishment,

not only of what

you already did to him,

but

of

accepting a freaking

sinner into his

fold.

Yeah.

That's the picture of

Abraham being

put to sleep because

he would attempt to

do something foolish

and try to

do it himself.

Yeah.

Walk through that,

that contract.

It just ends.

And hold up his end

himself.

Yeah.

God knew that was not going to

happen.

So he held it up himself.

It is not good for man to be

alone.

Not good for man to be alone.

God said that.

That's the first thing that wasn't

good.

It is not good

for man to be

alone.

Yeah.

Shut up!

going I'm

to

smack somebody.

So you touched on lost.

What is the

definition of being lost?

Yikes.

I don't know.

What is it?

So to be lost

is to be without a place.

Is to be without people.

So if you're out in the wilderness

on your own and you can't figure

out how to get

back to people, you're

lost.

Literally.

Mmm.

If you are in a

town

that's not

your home, you're lost.

Why?

Right.

Let's say you can't find

your way home in this

unfamiliar

town.

It's unfamiliar because

you don't have family

there.

Yeah.

You don't have relationships there.

But if you really could not

find your way home and you had to stay

in this town for the rest of your life,
you

would become familiar and

you would have

relationships and it would become your

home.

And then you wouldn't be lost anymore.

Don't know how to get back.

To be lost is

to lose

relationships.

And to even

like so

emotionally or spiritually

lose that connection, just like

we did with God.

Or to

literally be

physically separated.

I'm in the forest and I don't know how

to get home.

I'm all by myself.

Or we could be lost together.

Like me and Stephen,

we're out camping.

He can't see anything.

I don't have my compass.

We're lost.

Well, that's the idea.

If a little bit better.

But we're going to get on your

chosen herbs.

Yeah.

But it's like the idea of

the men in

Proverbs.

They're like, hey,

let's go and

kill pillage

and

rack up all this

stuff.

They're lost.

They don't know how to

go where they

should go.

And they're just...

They don't know how to...

They don't know how to get back to God is
really

what it comes down to.

Well, they don't know what's

actually important.

Like to

earn money

and to have

things in your

household,

There's there's easier

ways to...

do that than to

go and steal it from people

and cause

suffering.

And it's way more fulfilling too.

Yeah.

Like they're not only

setting themselves

up for a fall where

they're going to rob the wrong person,

they're going to get robbed themselves and

killed.

They're also robbing

themselves of the joy

of doing it right.

Yeah.

Sheesh.

Yeah.

What was I going to say?

We're at three and a

half hours.

Yeah.

I was going to try and wrap it up.

Where did we even

start?

Did we start back at

your question, Stephen?

I think we did.

Then he left and we were talking

about,

or you started talking about

what I thought was the most random

topic, but then it culminated

into this

fire.

Was it the transfer of information

thing?

Yeah, transfer of information.

I was like, where is he going with this?

Oh yeah.

Because we started at,

we lived a life

differently

than now.

Yeah.

And I brought up the transfer of

information

and

how the transfer

of information,

communication is based

on creating

relationships.

Yep.

And how our work is about relationship.

Or efficiently.

Yeah.

Wow.

You know,

everything in

the Bible comes full circle.

I said thanks.

You're the best.

But yeah,

I feel like

if we were to come to

that realization,

because ultimately what the Bible

and what life

should remind

us of and lead us back towards

is always

going to be reliance

on God.

And what's interesting is

that our relationship with

God is the only relationship that we

need.

But he says that he

wants us to be a

part of his church and he

wants us to have

those relationships

and he wants us to

not forsake them.

Do not forsake the

gathering.

Like somewhere in the habit.

And he

wants us to get

married and have

kids

and...

In general.

In general.

And he wants us to,

I mean, we're here on earth.

We're born into

wherever we

are, into the

families that we are, because God

wants us to be here.

He has a purpose for us.

He has something for us.

And it's for

relationship.

It's all for relationship.

And to call

to what is a

bad relationship and what is a

good relationship.

And that it takes

work.

It's for our

good and his glory.

And I think we just found that

glorious moment of wow.

Yeah.

That's God's glory.

And he doesn't want us

to be idle.

I mean, he talks about,

he talks against it.

Yeah.

It's like you

build

this wonderful Ferrari

and it just sits in

a garage.

Yeah.

And it doesn't go anywhere.

The tires, like they

deform on

the bottom because the weight has

been there for so

long.

Even he says...

He says that you rolled out of the garage

and goes,

right?

Yeah.

That's a waste

of art,

a waste of talent, a waste of...

He says even if you

were to

have the gospel

in your heart,

what are you going to do with

Are you just going to keep it for

yourself?

You're going to hide it away?

You're going to hide the light under

a bushel?

No.

Shots fired.

got You to let it shine.

Oh gosh.

But he

doesn't

want us to keep

the truth

and the gospel

and the hope and

the love and everything to

ourselves.

Even though he's the only thing that

we need in order

to survive.

That's the only relationship that we

need.

And he still

calls us

to shine the

light, to give it to

the others,

the lost.

I mean, the idea

that I

see constantly

from God

in the Bible is like

he's the

giver.

The source of anything

good

is

from him.

The source of anything

evil

originated

from God and was

tainted by evil.

Everything that is evil

and good still was

created by God.

God did not create evil.

It just decays our world.

Gosh, I was going somewhere with that.

I don't know, but take it back.

Handing the conversation back to you.

I think

that's...

Yeah, I

think

it's interesting

because this episode would

not have happened if we did

not mess up.

Mess up.

Free will.

I would

harshly

disagree.

We did not

choose to fail

that

episode because that was a good

episode.

But it ended up

us up here.

And I mean,

where's God?

Because

this

is definitely

a...

It kills a lot of

negativity in your life.

purely

because so

much of the fear that we

endure is because

we

feel

alone.

And we aren't allowing

ourselves to be vulnerable with others,

which builds bond.

We fear loss

of relationships.

Yeah.

Right.

And we

aren't willing to put in

the work.

We're not willing, we're not

open

and we won't communicate.

Or maybe we were and we were

burned.

Yeah.

And it just

destroys our desire

to do that.

But we need to do

that.

And

to

our listeners,

I hope that this

was… That you can relate

to this.

Well,

I know you can relate to

it.

I hope that you realize it.

I hope that the Holy Spirit

opens your

eyes to

the truth

that you need

to rely on God.

And God wants you

to rely

on the body of Christ.

And if you're not a believer, He wants

you to turn to Him

and be in relationship

with not only

Him, but with

His church, with His

people.

Pick your most precious

gift

that God has given you,

your life.

Yeah.

And give it to Him.

Yeah.

Just like April did with

his firstborn

and the fats of

his offering.

Well, and He's going to give you

abundantly

more.

Not a… Not a wealth and wealth.

Yeah.

It's just not in

the form

that you

think that you should

receive it.

But I mean, you receive in

the gospel and then dying the

next second,

you received abundantly

more

because you're in the

presence of God.

Not because you went to heaven,

but because you're in the presence

of God, which yes,

is being in heaven.

So many reasons.

But it's not about being

in this heavenly

place and, oh, I get

to live and be perfect and whatever.

It's about being in

relationship with God.

Being there with Jesus.

Yeah.

As I've always said,

Jesus is just

throwing a rancher at His

Father's house and He wants you to be
there.

So accept Him.

I'm so glad you brought that.

I think that's a

good segue into

our news.

Because

we

are working

on our

socials.

We have a

lot of accounts.

So many accounts.

Email.

So many accounts.

We have Spotify.

Yep.

We have Apple Podcast,

which means we also have an Apple

account,

which is separate from the

Apple Podcast,

supposedly.

No.

No.

No.

I just held up an

Apple and a pen.

If you know, you know.

You know.

If you don't know,

you are blessed.

So we also

created a

podcast

constitution,

which means that we

have

direction,

magnitude.

Magnitude.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

If you know, you know.

What a bad bed.

People hate us right now.

What if I don't know?

But we.

That's despicable me.

We are.

Now they know.

I just wanted to give them a bone.

That's fine.

But we're working on

the

podcast.

Battering it.

Getting it to a

point where we

are

releasing

episodes,

videos,

hopefully clips in the future.

You know, we've taken

that step.

We did it yesterday.

We spent several hours.

I mean, Daniel spent several

hours and Stephen and I just

sat here and given

cute

ideas.

Moral support.

Moral support.

Yeah, it was.

I kept him on direction.

Barely.

Well,

you know, Stephen

would take his

focus away and I'd be like, hey,

guys, maybe we

should.

But yeah, so we

are.

Huge news.

Really working on

things.

We're going to do an episode.

Oh,

why did my comment

relate to the

planning and the

news?

What comment?

Jesus just wants to throw

a rager at his father's house.

Oh, yeah.

Because we have work ideas,

guys.

And before this

podcast happened, when

Daniel and I went on a road trip

to Colorado to see Penny

and Sparrow, by the way,

they're

not Christian.

So,

but true.

We're going to go see them in Tennessee.

But,

uh,

evangelize?

Question mark?

No.

No, I don't

know.

Did you not just talk about?

Look, we should.

I don't know.

Let me finish what I'm saying.

Anyway, when on that road trip, we

came up with some great ideas.

Grandma,

she's making toe socks.

Grandma's knitted.

I did.

Grandma's knitted toe socks.

Bye.

She has dementia.

She works in a sweatshop.

She doesn't know if she's there.

She's really going to make the toe socks
sometimes.

She's very good.

She's very good at them.

She's also 100 % owner of this

podcast.

Yes.

According to the Constitution.

According to the Constitution, which we

wrote

in...

All seriousness.

All seriousness.

Yeah.

Also,

yeah, Jesus just wants to throw

ragers.

Yeah.

Let's find the actual phrase.

We're going to go over the entire

Constitution on an episode.

I think it's going to be

both...

I think it's just going to be the whole

episode

because

we have a lot in here

that we want to talk about.

And both of

it...

At the very beginning, we end up talking

about, you know,

what we believe in different

stuff.

So that's the perfume, and then we're
going to

get the decay, everything else.

Jesus just wants to throw

ragers in his father's

house.

So just believe.

Tell me that's not

gold.

And we're not going to give any

context yet into

what that means.

Just, you know, stay tuned for episode

10.

But yeah, we're going to have a whole

episode dedicated to it.

But you know, we're making

strides

because we want

to continue doing

this because

we love

it.

It's great.

It's worth the

amount of work that it

takes, the amount of time, the

amount of thought.

But

we're building

relationship with each other.

We're hoping to build relationship

with you in the

future once we actually

release this.

And you know,

ultimately, it's to build our

relationship with God.

And we are seeing that having

not released anything yet,

having not done

any of those things

yet.

And

you know, that

makes it valuable.

That makes it

worth it.

And so

stay

tuned.

If you're listening to this,

we've probably actually already

started doing some of this.

Probably, yeah.

Because we're posting.

So that means we're doing something.

And you're hearing it.

And you're hearing it.

Thanks for happening.

But...

Go buy that merch.

Well, I think what's fun is that

we're like

having the conversation

of the progression

of the podcast.

And you know, it's going to be,

I don't know, several months

from now that this episode

specifically even comes

out.

Yeah.

They're all like, we know.

We've been here.

Here in the future,

that's already happened.

But...

Aw, it's cute.

They're so excited.

Yeah.

Look at them.

Ultimately,

if you have

feedback, if you

have ideas,

questions, if you have

things that you want us

to go over in the Bible,

in the world,

whatever,

you will have

those avenues.

They are coming.

We are...

It's going to happen.

We're going to have a website

that you can

send all that through.

Discord, Reddit.

Humanity

will

be roasting

you if

you

leave a comment somewhere

that has a question or whatever.

Or an idea for the pod.

Or an idea for the pod

because you need

to send it through the

website for

avenues.

But if you want to

get roasted by humanity,

go for it.

Go for it.

We're not roasting you.

It's humanity.

It's not this.

But yeah,

go to the website.

Give us your constructive

criticisms, please.

Any more comments?

The best way to say that

that I've heard is advice.

We welcome advice.

We welcome advice.

We do.

Because we want this

to be better.

We want to build up this

relationship.

And yeah.

Well, it's still streaming, so it's

going to YouTube, but ran out of

space on the computer.

That makes sense.

Good stuff.

There's a lot of things that we have to
get rid of.

Yeah.

I'm assuming that the stream will

still be saved though.

Oh yeah.

So we're still

going.

But yeah,

that's episode

7 .1,

life.

Which is oddly ironic

because it

got screwed up.

That episode

last time, I think

we just threw

out that name.

And this episode, it makes a

lot more sense.

It makes way more sense.

It's got some hookling up.

So the sovereignty of God

just in work, you know.

I don't know if you're going to podcast.

Okay, whatever.

Love it.

Daniel, do you want to

pray us out?

Sure, dog.

Yeah.

Hats off.

Yeah, I'm not wearing a hat.

This is not a bald cap.

Take it off, Michael.

All right.

Dear God, thank you for

today

and the

podcasts

in

the sovereign direction that

you've given

just in the last two

episodes.

Making me a fool.

Not recording the last

one audio

wise,

but getting that crispy fresh

video footage.

and

nothing else.

Thank you that

you

continue to open our

eyes to truths

that are just hard coded in

your word and

have been there all

along and just

you knew that we would

have to dig a bit deeper

into it

and desire

to do that in order to

see those things.

And thank you God that

I feel like

you're using us in

this podcast

for your

purposes,

whatever that might be.

Thank you for letting us be a

part of that and for enjoying

that with you and with

each other.

Please bring

along anybody

who you

have in mind to

enjoy that with us.

And thank you for

my friends here

and for

the work that they put into this

and the excitement and effort.

Thank you for the means that

you've given to me

to everybody here

to

skill wise get this done.

Resources wise

be able to

get all the equipment that

we needed to get this going.

Please help us to

internalize your word

to mull it over

to let

it reset

the

variables in our mind

that have gone wonky

since the

last time we read your word.

And please help us to

desire

relationships,

good and right relationships,

number one with you and

also with

others and to

those who have

been hurt

by

being vulnerable

and creating

relationships

where

they were taken advantage

of that they were

stabbed in the patient

in the

whole world.

So thank you God.

We love you.

We praise you.

Amen.

Amen.

See you guys on next

episode.

Yeah.

If we recorded the audio this time.

Otherwise it'll be 7 .2.

Appreciate it.