Lord,

hear me pray,

Lord be my

guide.

I need your strength

and

your

might.

Lord,

Lord,

Lord my

God,

Lord

my God.

See, I think that's how it was just to
start

out the episode.

Just to say, Lord, God.

He started to abruptly

last time and I think he just blew your

throat up.

This is

the Refume

DK podcast.

Less DK'd.

Less?

Less DK'd?

Oh, yeah.

Less DK'd last

time.

We had a

weird

start.

Just start with the restart.

Yeah, so we restart.

It's time now, but probably the last time.

Yeah.

Well, that's not true.

Could be the last time.

I think we'll restart

with a live audience.

A live audience?

If we have a live audience, I mean, we're
streaming

live right now.

We are streaming.

If we have a live audience,

do you want to take them through, though?

Hey, guys, we kind of suck right

now.

You want to take five with

us while we bring

our mental being

back into place?

That would be fun.

Yeah.

Switch over to a video game.

All right, let's

restart.

Let's do this.

That's funny.

This is episode eight.

It is.

And we have...

Oh,

that's different.

Wow.

I hear it.

I hear it.

Wow.

The world?

I'm really loud.

Oh, you changed the...

No?

What the heck?

No.

I bet you it's...

There we go.

There.

Because you put it all the way

over...

No, you put it all the way over for her.

It's supposed to be metal?

And it's supposed to be metal.

For real?

Yeah.

Because it created that equity effect.

Will Ferrell?

All the way over.

Will Ferrell?

All right.

It was all the way over for all the other

ones.

Yeah, she's up.

She was too hot.

I'm not saying your sister's not

hot.

My sister is saying...

I'm going to leave.

I'm going to leave.

Cancel.

Stephen, don't say it.

Anyways, we are on

episode eight,

guys.

We

are...

The energy's here.

I think we've arrived.

We have.

Let's try it.

Let's try to make this quick

because...

There's so many comments.

We technically

already...

We technically already answered

these questions.

Daniel, how was your week?

My week was

busy.

Yeah, it was.

It was very busy.

I showed up at this podcast

and

had to eat a giant

bowl of chicken and rice.

Had to.

Had to.

Because I'm getting those gains, baby.

Okay.

In the gym.

Every day.

And killing yourself.

Every day.

Well, here's the thing.

I didn't have lunch today.

I didn't have

breakfast either.

I did have a little bit of

lunch.

But usually I have way

more.

I have that giant bowl of rice

and chicken at lunchtime.

And then I could sit on my

computer working, be as

lethargic as I possibly want to

be.

Do you have one of those bed

pans underneath you?

Yeah, no, I never get up from my computer.

Read it so that way you know.

You just have a toilet as

a chair?

Sure.

That's a great investment.

You have a

porcelain

chair.

You're doing your own

courtesy flush every

10 minutes or something?

Yeah, exactly.

Why is it stinking here?

Oh, it's a lash.

No, so today I

didn't eat that.

And so I didn't even have

my protein shake that I

usually have in the morning.

And so I think I

would have been fine if I had that giant

bowl of chicken.

Like it was a pound of chicken,

four cups of rice.

I'd be fine with that because I've had

that with other things.

And I've been totally fine.

Like I'm full, but I wasn't

at full.

But I think the difference was

I had that protein drink on the way

here too.

Your body wasn't used

to the timing of

those meals.

And so you...

Also it's like

220 grams

of protein in

the course of an hour.

I have an important question that has
nothing

to do with what you're talking

about.

Do you think that young adults

are proteins?

Yeah.

Yes.

Every time I hear the word

protein, I'm like,

who are the proteins?

Are they the college students?

Are they the whole thing?

Are they the young adults?

Are they the whole thing?

No, that's too far.

That's not funny.

Anyways.

It's too grown up.

Anyways.

Too grown up.

Yeah, that's true.

The joke got old.

Oh,

that's funny.

Okay, okay.

You're funny.

There was.

Somewhere.

I just had to dig.

Listening on the way

here from

Steven's house and

listening to this song, Six Below

by Flip Turn.

I think I've heard it.

I'm just talking about dying.

dying.

Dying.

I know.

You get old a...

and you end up six below.

All three of

us went to talking

about each other's weeks.

Last night we went to a church

together,

a young adults group.

And they were talking about deaths too.

They were talking about a lot of

things.

Yeah.

Those three verses

of Proverbs

took

up the entire sermon.

Took up the whole sermon and

also just

brought up a lot of different topics.

Yeah.

Well, it reminded me

of us.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I was

like, man,

Jason.

Oh,

there's a lot of people named Jason.

Also he's got a huge online presence.

Oh, really?

Well, was that mustache?

I mean, how could you?

Yeah.

And that deep voice.

Man's gorgeous.

He's like Patrick Warburton.

I swear he got

some sort of like vocal

surgery, like a deeper

voice.

Me.

Jesus and all that, you

know?

Yeah.

Squicker McSqueak and...

Give me chills.

I'm reading from

the

squirrel

standard version.

Where did he

get that?

Squicker McSqueak.

Do you have that on your phone?

And Jesus,

he said,

Squicker McSqueak.

Squicker McSqueak.

This reminds me of that

one

version

that's like,

like it's a legit

version of the Bible.

Oh, the clicking

or the

African...

Something.

No, no, not that.

That is so

insensitive.

How could you, Michael?

Yeah.

How dare you.

Come on, man.

Jesus, there's...

Hey, I'm not trying to be...

By one second.

It's sensitive.

Yeah.

Her dad walks in

last night on

us.

What did he say?

No, I walked in and

he looked at me and said,

you're one second black.

30 seconds.

The one second.

One second

black.

For one second in your life,

you're black.

For one second.

Yes, I have a black.

It's worth it.

How did you get that?

How did you get to that point?

I just walked

in.

It's

because she called

her hat the do

-rag and he's like, well, you

are one third a second.

Oh, yeah.

I called it a do -rag and

he said...

He's like, I'm one 16th.

You're black.

That's how it works, yeah.

I was born and for

just a second I was

black.

And then it just went away.

It just went away.

The sign code has

completely changed.

Yeah.

When most babies are

born, they're black for like

five seconds.

Yeah.

Then they

come out of the womb and they're not

black.

It's weird.

Let me tell you.

Those are the considers.

Anyways,

it's gracious.

So that happened.

It did.

It really did.

did I the Patrick Warburton voice.

You showed this entire podcast?

Well, it's not a

impression if

it's just who you are

now.

I'm actually Patrick Warburton.

There's a video

of his sons

dreaming...

...doing impersonations of him.

Oh boy.

And it's pretty good.

Some of them really get it.

I'm going to pull the other one.

That's awesome.

We'll do it later.

Before we move on,

we're already up for us.

Before we move

on,

there

is

an impersonation.

On a podcast I listened

to,

one of the guys' impersonations,

holy mama.

Jason's got almost

100k followers on Instagram.

He's a beautiful

man.

I think

we could probably

get his voice on here.

We don't need his voice.

Okay.

I guess we're going to do it.

Matthew, I'm a little out of

breath already and I'm a little

shaky.

I need food.

And so if you see my hands shaking, I

normally eat a meal between

first and second and I

didn't.

And I'm a little bit shaky.

He's a gym captain.

But if you do have a

drug pain bar,

you could throw that up on stage

and I will

actually take it.

Just don't tell Pastor Mark

I was eating.

He's got a rasp tone.

What I was saying

is for the audience,

Jason,

I've known him for

probably

six plus

years.

Not a huge length of time,

but enough time.

When I first knew him, he

had this higher pitch

voice.

So let's see if I can

find the older video

of his.

Hey, what's up guys?

Pastor Jason here.

Have you ever had someone dismiss

what you have to say by

their body language, by their one

word responses, by their shoulder

shrugs, or by their

nev -

That's 22.

That's how I remember the story.

What's up guys?

Pastor Jason here.

So the next thing I want to talk about is

the importance of not

bottling up.

Yeah, you should ask him.

Like, yeah, I got to ask him like

what happened.

That's amazing.

Same recording settings.

comes It from knowing that there's

Purpose it It doesn't make

it better.

It doesn't make it

fun right

so that's our deal

is it I feel like

yeah Okay, let me

do another one that was kind of

quiet

Here's one three

times that that's still quiet.

Yeah, that's I don't have any

more words I've

exhausted probably turn up here

That's totally and I

don't actually know

how to share the hurt

or the rage or the pain

or the abuse or whatever

It is that you've been through

when you don't know what

to say That's good

because you're in a place

now where the Holy

Spirit's very unique

ministry Comes alive

in your life and he begins

praying for you in the

best way because I don't

have any okay It's almost

it almost something is developing.

We've got that.

Yeah, maybe we've got that

dynamic and let me see if I can

get a

earlier a

more recent video of him

as Animated

maybe this one I can

and really Christians Let's

be honest Christians should

be the best

employees.

We should have the highest

integrity We should have the

hardest work.

We should have the most

ideas We should be

the most creative

why because we have the Holy

Spirit inside of us I

know they don't have him

think about that.

They're coming up with ideas

without the Holy Spirit

We have the Holy Spirit

we should have the most

ideas

Really be the

nicest people out there

Like a statement

Christians have a

reputation of being

not so great

employees sometimes I

think it's what's changed Yeah,

but I think your voice it just changes

anyways You think oh you

think my voice is gonna get like

deeper and raspier and yeah

have more character to it Yeah,

so in like 10 years, I'll be

like a little bit deeper like

this Maybe it'll

sound like I've done maybe it's

a side effect of going to the gym.

It could be that it could

be like five packs

smokes every day

And so chasing

down the mouth loss

listen to podcasts,

right?

Yeah, and

One of the the

hosts he's like here's

my impersonation of

Patrick Warburton.

He's like

And then they got into the

rest of the episode

It's so good.

I think about that all the time.

I'm like, you know what?

I don't think I'll ever be that funny

The buildup was

intense here, right?

Well, so no no So

they're doing all they're

doing is facts like

okay, they're playing this

is D podcast

Oh, and so they're giving

facts them so it's a turn

but he's but he's the

DM Okay, and

so he has to give like a fact

about himself or whatever and he's like

so I

didn't prepare a

Dad fact so here's my

impersonation of Patrick

Let's go

It's so

funny

Love that.

Yeah.

Anyways, if Jason

Jason if you're ever hearing this

You did talk about gossip

last night

and I just want

you to know we're not gonna not

gossiping about you And

honestly shout out

if if you're

not Jason and you are listening

to us, which I doubt it

I

Come on made him

Make any

sense, but okay,

if anybody else is

listening go follow

our boy on Instagram

Jason Feeser That's

his tag.

That's a f e

e s e r Jason

Feeser get in the follow

He's got some really good concept

and it looks like Patrick.

He looks like what he looks like

Patrick.

Oh, yeah

Anyways, Stephen,

how's your week, then?

That was supposed to be quick

by the way true

it went off the rose it in

any good way Well, we talked about

we don't have to recap it.

We talked about Patty.

Yeah, we talked

about good things.

Holy things Yeah, like Patty

Stephen.

I guess since

we're on this part

Since we went to the group last

night

I thought it was pretty

interesting

Especially since I

haven't been to a young adults

group and months

now

So it was good to go

back at least and

hear some stuff and

the

The other things

of my week.

Um Trying to

organize my room

Yep,

I always

did my

best today.

So

that was

lots of fun

more maneuvering the

TV and

Worrying if I'm gonna break the

screen

And then

yeah, just

trying to plan I

guess paying out last

night and today

and

Hopefully trying to get

more work hours.

Yes week So

that's always the hope

for me purge for Stephen in his

work hours.

Mm -hmm pray for Stephen

getting a full -time job

Full -time position.

Yeah that way we can all

move out and move

our studio.

Mm -hmm.

Have Yeah, we ever shared that

with the audience?

Move our studio?

You'll save that for after?

We've said...

We've talked about it.

Yeah, we've talked about it.

I'm pretty sure.

Stephen, was there anything else you
wanted to add?

Have you...

Maybe I missed this because

I'm an idiot sometimes,

but have you hung

the TV yet?

No.

Are you planning on doing that?

Or are you just thinking, I'll save that

until I move out?

It's kind of been the...

Yeah, that's what I'd be thinking.

And I'm just like, do

I want to hang it up now?

Or just leave

it the amount in the box and

have it nice and pristine whenever I

move in and just hang

it up then.

Because it's pretty heavy.

It's a lot.

And then where are you going to put it?

Where are you going to put the PC?

You got this thick boy.

I think we've talked about this one.

Yeah.

Like episode five or something.

All right, Michael.

Michaela, are we actually...

No.

Ladies last, the first

shall be last and the

last shall be first.

Ladies first, therefore

last.

Michaela, how was your week?

I love this logic here.

It was great.

I got work done

in class.

Yes.

So it's the best kind of work?

Did a binder check.

I didn't like it, but I

did it

anyways.

What's a binder check?

It's when you get a book

and you check the binding

by smashing it

against...

Yeah.

Do you use a hammer?

Do you use a hammer?

Absolutely.

Binder, you have

a binder full of

all of your classes.

All your goodies.

All your goodies

from the

classes.

Yeah.

And you

have them sorted by

color or by

class.

And I

do not have

them sorted very

well in...

Sounds like sort of an issue.

Oof.

Oof.

Yeah.

We don't have sound effects on the

camera.

Oh,

oof.

Yeah.

So...

For not being organized.

He said

to

put a hole

in

the paper.

Put A holes.

Put A...

Is he your teacher educated?

A hole.

He said to put

A holes in the

paper.

Papers.

And papers, yeah.

There we go.

And put them

in the binder.

Put them in the binder.

It's like Walmart's, you know?

Yeah, like Walmart's.

I don't get it.

You're welcome.

And so I

didn't put holes in the

paper.

Okay.

I put the

paper all in one

folder and called it

organized.

I thought you were going to say

you put the holes in the paper.

Or you didn't put the holes in the paper.

It's like putting the lime in the...

Yeah.

And you just shake it all

up.

Wait, what did you say?

Lime in the hole.

The lime in the coconut.

And then you just shake it all up.

Sounds pretty good actually.

Thank you.

Yeah.

It's a song.

How do you put the lime in coconut?

Did the you write that song?

No, I didn't.

Do you want to perform this song for me?

I don't.

Do you want to tell us about your week?

No, but I'll sing this song.

I'm just kidding.

Deal.

Yeah.

This is my rendition

of Coconut

and the Lime.

How do you put the Lime in coconut?

the So my

week was

the same.

As though a lime went in a coconut?

It was pretty boring

because my job

is boring and I love

it.

What?

Goes by quickly.

Congratulations.

How does that go by

quickly?

Because for me, a boring job

just drags.

Because I love

monotony.

Good for you.

As my dear friend of mine.

Yeah.

Monotony.

I love doing the same

thing

over, over,

over, and

over, over.

You like that?

Over and over.

He likes consistency.

So I finished, I

finished an order of

pieces, okay?

Which took me a total of

50 hours and 25

minutes.

Wow, dude.

Wow.

And then I got

handed the exact

same product

and I got, I get to do

500 of them.

And in my mind, I'm like,

yes.

Yeah.

I love it.

People like,

some of my co -workers are like,

they'll come up to me and they'll be

like,

oh, are you getting tired

of this?

They'll make jokes.

They're like, oh, you're having a good
time?

I'm like,

you don't

understand.

I love this.

I'm a psychopath.

I love doing

the most

boring things

over and over again.

Tedious work.

I thought you were a creative.

That's fantastic.

I am a creative.

Creativity does not,

it's not

conducive with that.

Yeah, but I'm also defined

by

everyone I've ever

worked for, I should

say,

as probably one of the

most anal -retentive people

in the world.

Is that your diagnosis?

That is what

has been given to me

by a lot of

my co -workers

and managers

and such.

But it's thought of as a

tool.

Oh, No, you're a tool?

a tool.

Because, yes.

Yes.

Michael identifies as

a tool.

Because I'm

so - Thank you, Michaela, for

solidifying that.

I'm so anal about

things,

that things actually get

done the right way.

And I care deeply about things

getting done.

I don't know about it.

And on time and

all that different stuff.

Oh, hey, my shirt,

by the way.

Hey.

Thank you.

And they just held on to my shirt.

Yeah, that's what the band

should be

called.

Apparently, yeah.

Apparently to them.

Because they just came up with the name

randomly.

That's great.

was What your brand name?

Oh.

They just wrote down a random thing that

came to their head, I guess.

Shout out to whoever

knows who we're talking about.

Yeah.

Shout out to that band.

You should, if you don't know,

you suck.

You should know.

Okay, let's see.

I can't see it.

says Andy and Kyle.

And like the stranger thing

on the phone.

And I have a hat that

says Andy and

Kyle are Penny

and Sparrow and you can soak

in you.

Gave it away.

Oh.

Oh no, I'm sorry.

That's right.

That's right.

If you mail, if you

comment.

and Penny Sparrow are Andy and Kyle

and so can you.

Right, yeah, that makes more sense.

So you don't know who's the

zoo.

Anyways.

So the freak was boring and

that was fantastic.

I love it.

That was beautiful.

Makes me very happy.

I'm still flabbergasted, but

okay.

Me too.

You know what I'm excited about?

What are you excited about?

Are you excited about Genesis?

I'm dead serious.

I'm excited.

I'm glad that you're excited

about Genesis.

I mean, last night after the,

what they call community group

docs.

Correction, community, thank you very

much.

True.

Yeah.

The community group.

What did you think about that

lead singer, the dude

of the guitar?

He was good.

He had some

Nick things

popping out.

He did.

Like that guy.

And he's going at it.

He had some power too.

I was definitely thinking

of Penny and Sparrow as a.

Oh for real?

I was like, dude, you could do

some folk.

I was like, bro.

I was surprised by their

set

selection.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I thought it was going to be a bit more

obscure,

but then again, I haven't been there.

The first song was obscure, but I

really liked that for a while.

Yeah, that was a good one.

I think it was a mashup actually.

Oh really?

Yeah.

I was going to tell you the name, but I

knew like half of it.

Yeah.

That's why I had the

vibe.

It feels like a mashup.

I know half of it.

Yeah, there were some guys in there too
that I was

like, man, I haven't had these in forever.

Yeah.

So maybe they're doing

deep cuts.

Maybe.

Maybe they're trying to be a little more
inclusive

for the non -included.

I don't know what that means, but.

I don't know what that means.

It's just jumbo.

It means something.

Good for you, Mike.

But yeah, we should get

into Genesis.

Does someone want to

lead us in prayer

first?

I could do it unless

anybody else.

No, we wanted to.

I'll go for it.

Oh, for.

Let's see here.

Let me get these camera presets,

right?

Good stuffs.

All right.

It'll eventually focus on

Michaela.

Sorry, Michaela.

Camera does not like you, thanks.

Oh man.

Gross, Michael.

What is that?

It doesn't matter.

Okay.

All right, let's pray, everybody.

Yeah, that's all.

All right, dear God, thank you so much

for today.

Thank you for

bringing us

together safely.

Thank you for the work week

that you gave us.

Please help Stephen to

have an opportunity,

a full -time position

available to

him soon.

Please bless

Michaela's studies

and her creativity

and grow that and mold

that into something

that can be really exciting for

her and

something that's

permanent and

useful for

your kingdom, God.

As is the podcast

that we're doing today, God, would you

please help us to

speak in such

a way that it

would be a permanent and

useful thing for your kingdom as well?

Think I'll leave it there.

Thank you, God.

We love you.

We praise you.

You say all this in your name.

Amen.

So we are in

Genesis

four,

starting in

verse nine.

Verse nine.

And my phone is right

here.

Good for you.

In the future, I

think once we

move

locations

and we have the freedom,

we should just have

bibles.

We should just have bibles.

We should just have bibles

that we need.

Bibles,

just like a community last

night.

Mandatory bibles.

Bibles, just have them stacked.

I will.

I'm not.

Steven does not have people.

I will start aside.

His people would be like,

besides the eye.

We could be using Braille one.

Let me open this up.

You know what I'm talking about?

Braille.

No, he's, you said

in like one of the episodes that

you know Braille or used

to.

I used to, I don't anymore.

How quick do you think you'd be

able to pick it up again?

If I really worked at it?

No, just like every now and

then.

Like you have your phone and then you have

the Braille and you're like curious.

It'd still be pretty tough, not gonna

lie.

Okay.

I can make out some

letters every once in a

while.

Yeah.

Not very often.

I can say it as a word.

I'd probably be interested in learning it
with

you.

That's That's pretty sick.

Okay.

Morse code and braille are the same.

In Michaela, there are two

wolves.

One that understands what

braille is and one that

wants braille and Morse code to be

the same thing.

In either

two

wolves...

Michaela, what is the difference?

One really leaves me.

Sound and feeling.

Yep.

That's good.

Yeah.

You should not be concerned about your
sister.

She's very smart.

I'm really smart.

She is very smart.

She's also the same

but opposite from me.

Figure that one out.

Anyway, so we're just for

verse 9.

I will

read this

for us.

We'll read until I

start.

Wait, verse 9.

Verse 9.

Because we went

one through eight

last

time.

Cain spoke to Abel, his

brother.

Really?

No.

Yes.

No, no.

We went to eight.

We stopped before eight.

No.

We read to eight.

To verse eight.

So you're starting at eight.

No, we read verse

eight.

I promise not.

No, we did not.

Come on, man.

We didn't talk about it.

That doesn't...

Just read it.

It's not going to make any sense.

It's the middle of a sentence.

Okay, well technically

it's not going to make

sense.

Okay, sure.

I will just start at verse

one.

No.

Now, the man had a relation to

this wife Eve and she

conceived and gave birth

to Cain and she said,

I have gotten a

man child from the help of the

Lord.

Again,

she gave birth to his

brother Abel and

Abel was a keeper of flocks

but Cain was a tiller of the

ground.

So it came

about in the course of time

that Cain brought an offering to the

Lord of the fruit of the

ground.

Abel on his part also brought

of the firstlings of his flock

and of their fat portions

and the Lord had

regard

for

Abel and for his offerings

but for Cain and for his

offering he had no regard.

So Cain became

very angry and his

countenance fell.

Then the Lord said to Cain,

why are you angry and why has

your countenance fallen?

If you do

well, will

not your

countenance be

lifted

up?

And if you do not do well,

sin is crouching at the door

and its desire is

for you but you must

master it.

Cain told Abel his brother and it came

about when they were in the field

that Cain rose up

against Abel, his

brother

and killed him.

Then the Lord said to Cain,

where is Abel

your brother?

Why am I struggling so much?

And he said, I do not know,

am I my brother's keeper?

He said, what have you done?

The voice of your brother's blood

is crying to me from the

ground.

Now you are cursed from the

ground which has opened its mouth

to receive your

brother's

blood from your hand.

When you cultivate the ground, it will

no longer yield its strength

to you.

You will be a vagrant and a

wanderer on the earth.

Cain said to the Lord, my

punishment is too great to

bear.

Behold, you have driven me this

day from the face of the ground

and from your face

I will be hidden

and I will be a vagrant

and a wanderer on the earth

and whoever finds me

will kill me.

So the Lord said to him, therefore

whoever kills Cain,

vengeance will be taken on him

sevenfold

and the Lord

appointed a sign for Cain

so that no one finding

him would slay him.

Then Cain went out

from the presence of the Lord and settled

in the land of Nod,

east of Eden.

So we stopped

for

future reference, we stopped

in verse 16.

Yes thank you.

In verse 16, that's a good

way to say it.

So first thoughts on

that?

I feel like it was good to get that.

It was, yeah.

Oh Stephen.

I did look

up countenance.

It's a person's

face or facial

expression.

Facial expressions.

So as countenance fell,

his smile went

upside down.

You know what?

I feel like it should

be made popular in the

Christian church.

The Christian church, yeah the Christian
church.

The only church?

To

say,

hey girl, I love your countenance.

Girl, I've been

counting on that countenance all

the way.

If

a man

ever says that to you,

it feels weird to say man.

If a boy ever says that to

you,

yeah,

you should marry him.

That's great, good to know.

Maybe you should like think about it

first.

Think about it.

Think about the fact that he

said that and he

knows, say, I

love you.

Whoa, talking about

boundaries.

In me there are two wolves.

I'm making a joke.

In me there are two

wolves.

One who never wants

a man to approach

my sister.

everybody,

and one who would

love for

that to actually happen.

Where a boy walks up and is like,

Me too.

I don't know.

I'm like, how long do you think I'm be?

gonna Say it.

Every day.

That'd be crazy.

She's like, I've never

met you before.

I'm like, who are you?

And I'm peeking around the corner.

I'm like, did

he say what I was doing?

Did he say it?

I just feel so right.

I hate him, he better, right?

I hate him.

It's like you tell your Michael.

So I hang out with my sister a

lot.

And we all

go out to lunch or something,

every once in a while.

And boys pick them up.

And they're like, no.

No,

It's not that.

It's the crash in town.

They're a little weird there.

But it honestly gets

to a point, and

you'll find this out

when that machine gets

older.

That you actually do want it.

You say he grows it.

No, I'm down.

Sorry, no, no, keep going.

I really wanna hear it.

It's ended.

No, it hasn't.

It's good.

oof, you ruined it.

Oh,

he killed.

Guys, I know what you're gonna say.

Let's be quiet until he says

something.

There's definitely, there's definitely.

Just stare at him.

There's definitely

an

understanding that,

boys are gonna like my

sister

and someone's gonna

make a move.

Wow, that's awkward.

And I'm gonna murder them

emotionally,

mentally.

Emotionally.

I could be the muscle.

Yeah.

You can bring them forward.

You hold them down and all like.

You speak sweet nothings

into you.

Yeah.

They all be like

kneeling

on their neck and just like,

that's right.

You like it, don't you?

You like it.

That's right.

It says on the,

like right before they walk in the door,

it's like, hey,

just so you know, you're gonna get
tackled.

You're gonna get choked out.

You're gonna have sweet nothings.

Whisper to the hair.

Whisper it into your head.

You're like,

the guy pulling you down

on the floor is gonna be

rubbing your back at the same time.

You're gonna feel hated and

loved.

Worst way possible.

Only above.

Anyways.

First thoughts on

the.

Anyways.

Back to the actual conversation.

Cain, when spoke

to his brother

and then

killed him.

Yeah.

What do you think?

That's anything.

I don't think I have ever

actually.

So, okay, actually

specifically Cain

told Abel

his brother

and it came about when they were in the

field that Cain rose up against

Abel.

So,

Abel told,

enraged Cain.

Do you think the conversation

went something like,

hey Abel, you know what God said

about my offering to

him?

He told me that it wasn't good

enough and that yours was

better than mine.

And do you think Abel was like,

well, then I guess

mine was better than yours

or something

like sweet and

snotty like that.

You know?

Turned it on.

In my

thinking,

in my thoughts of these

two people,

the way that I

kind of think

of Abel

in a

funny way,

in regards to our conversations

from yesterday,

that I think

of Abel as this

strong kind

of able body.

Strong,

B.

That's where you were going.

Character who

is,

I don't know, he just,

in my mind, I almost

think of a simple

-minded, but strong

man.

And I think of Cain

as more of

that.

I mean, because he

has,

there's a conversation

that's being

had between him and

God.

And I feel

like Cain could be

more on

the charismatic

side, not like

the church charismatic,

but he has

charisma.

He has a certain charisma about

him.

That makes sense.

And I don't know if I see

Abel that way in

this.

You think it's like the socially

awkward one?

Not necessarily socially awkward,

but Cain

is just

more eloquent.

There we go.

He uses words more

and maybe

cares a little more about

intellect or something like

that.

And I think,

so obviously he has an ego,

right?

I mean, maybe not

at

first, but at the

end there, you can see,

doesn't.

Well, I think - You can't

tell by this one verse that

he went and spoke to his brother

and he has an ego.

Yeah, that's fair.

Yeah, because he just, well, no,

you can kind of see that he has an

ego.

Really?

Yeah, because in the

verse where it says, where it

says Cain told Abel,

before that, he was basically like, am

I my brother's keeper?

No, that was after.

after.

That's all right.

When God - came to him

after he killed him.

But I guess - Oh, but it says that he

was very angry.

Why is your face fallen?

Your countenance that I've been

counting on is gone.

So yeah, maybe we can tell

he's got an ego.

Either way, I feel like

pride comes

before the fall,

right?

Pride is the origin of sin.

So if he's at the point

of murder,

it's a pretty reasonable

conclusion to say

that he

had an ego.

Yeah, yeah, right.

But yeah, so I'm

kind of thinking of that in

terms of the

serpent,

right?

So the presence

of the serpent

kind of

pushed that along,

pushed what

along Michael?

Pushed along the

action,

right?

It created the doubt and

whatever.

And so I think the presence

of intellect

in this case,

or as we've kind of

been defining it as being

able to think of your

own

truth or

whatever,

has kind of created

that

opportunity

to

speak in the

way that he does to God

and also to

have the ego that he

does.

Because he is

making his own morality, so he's

the source of his own truth.

Yeah,

because I

can

imagine the conversation,

he's like, you know, we

both gave her offerings

and

for whatever reason,

like God

regarded yours,

but did not regard mine.

I don't know how to do that.

And Abel

was

probably like, like what

you said, he

doesn't really

have an answer, he just

kind of

affirms that.

He's just like, well, just

trust

what God says,

maybe do better.

Maybe do better.

But being

honest about it,

being real and...

Who knows, Abel

may have been a

little poopyhead.

You know?

At the possible.

I mean, two brothers.

Yeah.

I mean, yeah, this is just in my own

headcanon, but yeah,

they...

Sorry,

I get this from the D

podcast, they

say

headcanon a lot.

They talk about the canon.

But yeah, that's my...

That's your thought bubble.

Listen, I'm not...

On that specific verse?

Yeah.

Okay.

Anybody else?

No.

Then the Lord said to Cain,

Where is his brother?

Oh, actually, I gotta do a

narrative verse.

Voice.

You wanna do God or narrative voice?

You

gotta

do that.

Where is your brother?

Wait, no, that's Cain.

That's Cain.

That's Cain.

No, no.

This is...

Oh, you want me to be Cain.

Yeah, you be Cain.

Okay.

I'll do

narrator

and...

Is it wrong?

No, it's great.

I like it.

We gotta make this fun.

Beautiful.

Then the Lord said to Cain,

Where is Abel your brother?

He said.

How did I know?

Am I my brother's keeper?

And the Lord said, What have

you done?

The voice of your brother's blood

is crying to me from

the ground.

And now you are cursed

from the ground which has opened

its mouth to receive your

brother's blood from

your hand.

When you work the ground

it shall no longer yield

to you its strength.

You shall be a fugitive and

a wanderer of the earth.

Cain said to the Lord,

My punishment is too

great to bear.

Behold, you have driven

me from this place

this day from the face

of the ground.

And my face I will

be hidden,

and I will be a vagrant,

and a wanderer on the earth.

Whoever finds me will kill

me.

Then the Lord said to him,

Not so.

If anyone kills Cain,

vengeance shall be taken on him

sevenfold.

And the Lord put

a mark on Cain,

lest any who found him

should attack him.

Then Cain went away from the presence of

the Lord and settled in the land of

Nod.

East of Eden.

High five, dude.

So, okay,

this is a total

tangent.

But I've literally thought to

myself, okay, I've got some

free time.

I really want to use

this setup way

more.

Like,

way, way more.

Like, I want to do a,

not a D

podcast, but like a play

test, not a play test

podcast,

a podcast using my

tabletop system.

But I've also just want to play.

I've also been like,

for one,

I would love to do voice acting.

So I'm like, I want to use my

voices for something.

And I don't know, I like, I'm not

really gonna get that.

I don't know how to get that opportunity

aside from just

doing it, just doing it on my

own.

And so I'm like, oh, maybe Michaela

could

draw up some scenes

or whatever, and I can just voice

them.

I don't know.

But I've also sat here,

sat there like for

hours.

And I've started listening to

audiobooks.

And I'm like, I should, I should

just do like

a podcast or whatever.

I'm just reading books and then like

giving commentary while

I'm reading it.

I don't know.

Because I've been told that I have a

really nice voice.

So I'm I should just do that.

I could just read.

Yeah, could be the move.

Anyways, but also But also I'm like

bad at reading.

Like I stumble.

on my words so much.

That's what editing's for.

Just reread it?

I don't know if I would edit it.

I think I would just want to be,

I don't like, I don't know.

I feel like to some degree, if

you're looking

for a specific clean

feel,

but I don't really

care about the clean feel.

Just take a pause.

In anything that I create.

Every sentence.

Some people do.

Some people do.

Yeah.

But I don't.

And you could pause, yeah.

Yeah.

You could stumble too.

Yeah.

But what if I stumble?

oof, you guys don't know that number.

What if I fall?

What fall?

if you What if you fall?

if What you fall?

if What you fall?

if What you fall?

if What you fall?

What if you

fall?

if What you fall?

What if you fall?

What if fall?

you

What if you fall?

What if you fall?

What if you fall?

What if fall?

What you if you fall?

What if you fall?

What if fall?

you

What if you fall?

What if you fall?

What if you fall?

What if you fall?

That is an eye

period.

It looks like the eye could feel it.

She's drawn, you want to

show Jimmy

our cameraman?

Can I show Jimmy?

Well,

it's trying to ignore

it.

Wait, let me try to force it to focus.

Michael, I see your face.

Maybe I zoom in.

I have kazoo -doo.

Kazoo face.

Yeah.

That's pretty.

Yeah.

I like.

I like it too.

She's strong that as we speak

because she doesn't like to listen to us
talk.

She's bored.

Michaela, do you have any thoughts about

this passage?

No thoughts.

Any notes?

These are my notes.

Yeah, that's

fair.

Michaela, do you remember

what we read?

No comment.

Michaela, you have a Bible with

her name?

She does not.

She has my

phone in front of her.

Yeah.

Here, Michaela, you can read this

from verse

nine.

Your sister can't read.

Hey, you

can read it.

Moving on.

So he killed his brother.

He killed his brother.

Brother dies.

And he tells him what he does.

And then God goes,

where'd

Abel go?

Where's Broski?

And he's like, am I - Where's your

brother?

Oh, like all snotty.

He said,

I,

he said, what do you think?

Am I my brother's keeper?

I don't know.

He said, I do not know.

Am I my brother's keeper?

Say it like you think he actually

said it.

I don't know.

He's probably said, who?

Am I my brother's keeper?

No, he do the, maybe.

I think English is his personal

emotion.

That's Hebrew.

He mean, he mean.

That's probably how he said

it.

Oh yeah.

Now translate that

to - You

know, you know Lego

videos?

Yeah.

That's how I imagine.

That's how I used to

imagine everything with Bible.

Oh.

Hello.

For the first.

You guys aren't watching any of the

viewers.

Dear miss.

That's amazing.

I'm sorry.

The Lego Star Wars

games.

I call it.

Dude,

yes.

No talking, just -

All voice.

I mean.

And then there's characters

like,

Chibaka.

And it's like, well, that's just how

Chibaka is.

But then like C3, you know.

It's so lame.

Anyways, it's Bible.

Yeah, Bible.

Come on guys.

So, I don't know.

The name of

this episode

is actually

lies.

Oh, this is why you needed lies?

This is why you needed lies.

Do you think he's lying

here though?

He says he did not know.

Well, yeah.

That's straight up.

That's where he killed him.

But then it says, am I my brother's
keeper?

Right.

You think God, did it say

his pawn to that?

His pawn.

What is his after -defense?

He just continues to

be like, what have you done?

And then he like curves.

Whoa, hold on.

Just had a flashback to the garden.

He asks him, where are

you?

And he already knows

the door.

Didn't he say something like, what have

you done?

Well, he says,

well,

he asked them where they are.

I don't know.

I don't know if he says, what have you

done?

I think he's asked.

I think he asked

more,

like, why are you

hiding?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Why are you hiding?

Why are you hiding?

Yeah.

But yeah, I think what

we're seeing here

is the first

spoken lie.

At least in the bottom.

Wait.

I didn't have to.

Yeah.

So technically, Adam and Eve,

they didn't

lie.

Oh, they didn't lie.

They just passed the blame.

Yeah.

They blamed him.

They believed a

lie.

But I don't know.

There wasn't anything

saying that they

spoke a lie.

Yeah, they didn't lie.

chapter Chapter 3 three verse

13, then the

Lord God said to the woman,

What is this that you have done?

Mmm,

I guess it depends on the different ways.

Yeah, Jesus'

voice.

That's bad.

Bad and...

What is this that you have done?

My God!

What is it?

It's not a

little...

It's a little...

not It's very...

Then Cain says what?

I don't know.

You're so right.

He did say that.

You're going to say it right, though.

I was trying to figure

out how to do a Joker

voice, but I don't know how to do it.

I don't

remember

what Joker sounds like.

It's...

Just stick back into

the deepness of your mind.

It's insanity.

All the Jokers have pretty much been

done by the exact same person

in terms of voices.

Yeah, I

guess.

He's a great voice actor.

He's also Luke

Skywalker.

Which one?

The voice actor.

Or the Joker?

Every single...

Are you talking the cartoon?

Yeah, I'm talking the cartoon.

Oh, yeah.

Oh.

Yeah.

I was like, which slide action?

Yeah, no, no.

Are they all done?

They're all different.

I didn't see it.

They're all done?

That's crazy.

If they just,

like,

lip synced,

awesome.

It'd be even crazier because it

wasn't one of them

doing

method acting,

like talking Joker all the time.

Anything that they do at all.

Just looked up to him over.

Insane.

Anyways...

I do the Bible.

So, yeah.

I think this is the

first...

First lie.

A corded lie.

Is that the truth?

I mean, this is the word of

truth.

Word of God.

Yeah, that's fair.

Yeah.

Spirit and truth.

I mean, there's something to be said

about that.

Even the courts make you

put your hand on the Bible and

swear on it.

Yeah, I wonder when that's gonna stop.

Maybe it has in some places.

Actually, it did stop.

Did it?

Well, excuse me, not stopped necessarily,

but I think the

swearing in

of someone

was done on the Quran.

Oh.

Recently.

So the word meant nothing.

Yeah, pretty much.

Why?

In fact,

I...

Based off of what I understand

about...

The Quran.

Islam is...

It's technically

a distraction.

To swear on the Quran.

Well,

to...

So the line of pain...

Anyways...

If I am

remembering correctly,

technically

it leads

to Islam.

Yes.

You know what?

Let's write this down and talk about the
K.

So, pain...

I'm gonna write an arrow pointing

to Quran

and

swear on it.

And we can talk about this after.

Yeah.

In the K portion.

So...

Oops, I'm in the wrong portion

again.

Uh -oh.

Sorry, guys.

Am I my

brother's keeper?

What do you think he meant by that?

I've always heard it said

that he was being

like a brat.

Like sarcastic

or...

What's it...

Well, because he's...

He says he doesn't know.

Mm -hmm.

Which is a lie.

Yeah.

And then he's saying,

I don't watch over my brother,

so...

Was I supposed to be

watching him?

Yeah.

Yeah.

But technically, he

is supposed to be watching over him.

Yes, he was the older brother.

That's true.

And culturally,

makes sense.

But even if he

didn't,

even if that wasn't the expectation...

Technically, I guess

culturally, then it's

different.

Yeah.

But there's a sense

of like, if you're the older, then

you need to be looking

after your family,

really.

Yeah, is now.

there But

I

almost see this as him

trying to change his subject.

Yeah.

Like trying to get in a fight about

the wrong thing.

To get out of the

way of like, oh yeah,

that guy, he's dead now.

Well, he's trying

to justify

what could have

happened.

Maybe it was a cover -up like animals

got him.

Yeah, well, he's doing

multiple things.

He's one, doubting

the

omnipotence.

Yeah.

Omnipresence of God.

He's...

Because we all do every time we sign.

Right.

Yeah.

And justify it before

him.

Mm -hmm.

And he's

basically trying to

say,

you know, based off of that

idea that you're

not God, basically.

You're not.

All powerful.

You know, you wouldn't

know in which case...

That's why you're asking me.

Mm -hmm.

And in which case,

you know, I don't look after

my brother, so...

Why was it not?

Why you asking me?

Yeah, I wasn't there.

Yeah.

I have an alibi.

Right.

My sister, I mean my

wife.

I was home with her.

Yeah.

He's not married.

He hasn't met her yet, okay?

Yeah.

That's after this.

He goes, he kills his brother,

and then he finds a wife.

I don't think so.

Which is why murderers

should be married.

Mm -hmm.

Hugely bad takeaway.

Hugely bad.

If you take away anything from this

episode, there are two wolves.

Do not.

Murdering is bad,

but also marry, marry.

It'll be a killer

relationship.

Oh boy.

Yeah.

I'm gonna, look, I'm

gonna kill that

joke, the two wolves thing,

like a dead horse.

Listen to the hot cosmos.

It sounds like both of the wolves

killed a horse.

Amen.

Yep.

Moving on.

Preach it brother.

We are like all over the place.

Come on guys.

Stay stuck in.

Thank you, Mikaela.

Thank you for the encouragement.

You're welcome.

So he's sort of

trying to lead God astray,

which yeah, totally

not possible.

And if he knew anything.

He failed.

He's a dummy.

He's a dumb

He didn't do it.

He's a little snap boy.

Yeah.

Snap boy.

Yeah.

Blowing snap bubbles,

you know?

Digging for gold and all that fun stuff.

Meanwhile, his brother

is

freshly,

freshly squeezed juice

in the canyon.

Love that.

Yummy.

Are we sure it was a canyon?

I don't know if it was a canyon or not.

No, Fues -shuyshwee

-shuyshwee.

Fues -shuyshwee Fues -shuyshwee.

-shuyshwee.

Into the door.

Yep.

Into the door.

Into the door.

Yep.

The first blood.

Well, actually not the first blood,

animals.

First

blood.

First human blood that the earth

tasted.

First blood.

Dummy.

Huh.

We're stable.

We're stable.

My impression gets worse more.

They tell.

They tell.

I am so bad at

impressions,

ridiculously.

Hey, why is she the little brother?

Just get better.

Anywho.

So the reaction

is?

He totally ignores.

God totally ignores King.

Yeah.

And just goes right into the

subject.

Well, and on a

serious note, what has

been done

is?

Intensely serious.

Yeah.

Well, so, okay,

let's look at this in

context.

So God says you will

surely die.

To Adam and Eve.

Adam and Eve.

And the thing

about that, that

we've talked about is that

before they

would not have died.

And so there's this sense of

eternity

set

in their hearts.

And so God says that

they will die, but the

assumption here is that

they will die because

he will kill them.

And what's been done here

is that that has

been, not taken away

from God,

but it is, but death has been

enacted by someone other

than God.

And he does not

desire that

to be the case.

He

didn't

desire for death to

occur in the first

place, but

the consequence for their

actions is death,

which he told them.

And now

we are seeing more

death

because of,

well, because of

lives, because

of pride

and sin

growing in the

world.

And I mean, the Bible

talks about it all the time, that

sin will lead to death.

And honestly, this is

odd,

because Cain,

he was the farmer, right?

He was farming

and his

brother's the hunter,

or the

flapper.

flapper, The yeah.

Right.

But I would think of them

as nearly the same thing

because you had to protect them from

the wild.

You had to graze them all

over the place,

hiking them

hills and alanism

canyons and whatever you are,

wherever you are.

It's kind of like Esau and

Jacob, right?

I wouldn't think of Jacob

as being

able enough

to kill

his brother.

So that's why it seems

odd to me.

Cain,

the gatherer, kills

Abel,

the hunter.

Cain, the farmer,

kills Abel,

the shepherd.

But when I say like that, it

makes more sense because farmers are

for sure, like they're

strong.

Yeah, they're smart.

Like they have so many hats that

they wear and they're really good at

it.

Well, and that's

kind of what I,

so in some way

we've associated

the

eating of the fruit of the

knowledge of good and evil almost

to this

other

side of the

imagination,

right?

What do you mean?

Actually, we didn't say that.

I said that in my own head.

Good job, Michael.

You've got to communicate, Michael.

You're all about communication

and talking to you.

What we said about,

the thing about

imagination was

had to do with free will.

Okay.

And the shifting

of the

imagination

was the eating

of the fruit of the

knowledge of good and evil

because it

created different

scenarios that were

outside of

God's desires.

So it's the

ability to

think of

your own, to

make up your

own morality.

And so that was a through line.

Your own reality.

I just articulated

it.

Yeah, okay, say it again then.

So the eating of

the fruit of the knowledge good knowledge
of

of good and evil

basically creates

a different reality in our minds.

It shifts the

idea of

imagination

and how

we utilize it,

I guess.

And so what's

being done here

is because what

I kind of said

about Cain

is that

he's taken this

imagination

and the other

side of it because of

rage, because of

ego and all that

different stuff.

He's

shifted

the thoughts

and it has driven

him to

action,

right?

And because

what ends up

happening in life

is that we have

a certain desire, we have a

certain thought, and it leads

us to action.

In God's

perfect world, we should

be acting upon

His desires,

His will,

and that will

lead us to,

if we know what His will is,

if we know what His desires are,

we should act upon

them in obedience

by glorifying Him.

But what Cain is

embodying here

or enacting is

his own will

and his own desires

based off of all

of that.

And so he's had

the opportunity

to

say, death

exists in the world.

I'm going to enact it

myself

because I,

for whatever reason he

comes

up with.

So in a sense, I

would say that he's probably

fantasizing about this.

Really?

And it's led

him to,

because he knows what death

looks like because of

the killing of animals

to some degree.

And so he knows how

to kill something.

He doesn't slaughter like a department.

Well, he doesn't, but like,

maybe he doesn't mean he hasn't seen his

brother do it right now.

That doesn't mean he hasn't seen an animal

die.

But

he has

this opportunity to

shift.

Oh,

if we can

die, because

I imagine that Adam

and Eve have talked to him about

the curse.

If death is in

the world now

and

Abel

is killing

in order to

give us meat

and clothing,

whatever,

then I can also

kill him to

just enact my

vengeance, basically.

Possibly.

The story doesn't tell

us that though.

No, it doesn't tell us

that, but that's what I'm saying.

Is one, the difference

possibly

between Cain and Abel

and two,

what is

possible,

because again,

murder has not been done.

There has

not been

murder on the earth.

So we have to speculate

pretty far to

figure out how it is

that Cain came to

the conclusion that he could

and should and would

kill his brother.

I think you might be on the right

track,

just maybe in a different

way.

You know how Jesus says,

you've heard it said those

things, right?

Yeah.

You've heard it said

this

or that, but I tell you

this.

I think in one of those, he

says that

if you hate

someone,

you've murdered them in your heart.

I think here

Cain

hated his brother

because

he was jealous of him,

because Abel was accepted

and he was not.

And he felt that was

unjustified.

And so that gave him the

ability to imagine

his own morality,

justify any

action.

And in the heat of the moment, I don't
think

he ever would have

even imagined murdering

someone.

Like animals die

short.

That's one thing.

That's a totally different category.

Like they bah,

you know, they go

bah, we go

ha, you

know,

like we talk like

it's distinctly

different.

God breathed mom

and dad into

existence and formed them

out of clay

and mom

out of dad.

And for some reason we come from mom

still don't get that one.

Correct.

It doesn't make sense.

Mom's always saying, I've gotten

another one.

Dad, why couldn't you just give

it a rib?

Frickin' dad gave up

half his life

savings.

So I really

think that

the sort

of the jealousy,

maybe it's sort of that

laziness,

but who knows?

It could have been ego,

could have been all of them.

Could have been,

okay, if it was ego,

that would be a through line.

Right.

So he's farming,

his ego says, I get the

first instead of God.

And so he doesn't bring the first

or the best to God.

And therefore he's not accepted.

He's not accepted because of

his ego, he's jealous.

Because of his jealousy

and his ego,

it gets massaged in the

hatred.

And then when God

speaks to him, as

he's like this

in this jealousy

farming moment,

God tells him.

be careful,

you are in a

dangerous spot.

Sin is crouching at the door,

you have to be housed,

and you have to master

it.

You must rule over it.

Its desire is

totally contrary to

what you want.

And so I don't, because

he says its

desire is contrary to you,

I don't think Cain

wanted to murder

or wanted to be jealous.

I think it was just a

natural bent of

evil and sin

that

was born into us at

that point, and born into

him.

And sin begets

sin, and

the heat of the moment,

he goes and talks to his

brother,

you know, he's blown off steam,

and his brother

probably says something in name

that pisses him off because of his

ego through line.

And because of that

hatred

that's come from

jealousy, that's come from ego,

from laziness.

He blows up,

maybe shoves him, maybe

it's,

what do you call that,

when you accidentally murder someone?

First degree.

Is that first degree?

Yeah.

First degree murder,

still murder, he kills his

brother.

At that point,

people know what murder is,

and so people

can

idealize

it like what you were talking

about.

And there could be premeditated

murder,

but this is like

American legal system

kind of stuff.

This is not God's law.

God's law is, you hate

someone, you've murdered them.

And so I think

in a way you're right,

in the way

that God sees things,

his heart was murdering

Abel long

before he did,

even though he may have not

wanted to.

But then again, he didn't

have the spirit in him, so maybe he did

want to.

Well, I...

But he also didn't have an

example to

follow.

No one

else had been murdered before.

But nowadays, we would say,

oh, that was first degree murder,

even though God would see that

as...

He'd hear that.

...premeditated murder,

cold -blooded murder.

I would say...

Well, your sister had something to

say.

Oh, kind of.

So,

when God

says that when

you think badly

of someone, you've already

murdered them,

would you say that,

or would you agree

that

when

Cain murdered Abel,

that was like

the

depiction of

he

hated his brother,

so he killed

him.

I forgot what more I was going to say,

but...

He hated his brother,

and he was

jealous,

so he

got

mad at him,

and he kills

him, but it's not

really a

conscious action.

It's more of like,

I'm mad at you.

Like he had a lot of...

How dare you.

Yeah.

He sees red, and he

just...

And then he comes to

the animals there.

Like the epitome of

your hatred

is you already

murdered them.

It's like when you're driving

on the road.

Do you have your learners wrong?

No.

Okay, don't do this.

Don't learn by this example.

But oftentimes, we find

ourselves driving on the road.

Well, you've probably heard about this

too.

Sorry, that was isolating.

Sorry, Stephen.

Sorry, Zikat.

Sorry.

That's all that done right.

You're driving on the road,

and then you're just

there, and you're like, wait a minute.

I don't remember driving for the

past 30 minutes.

Yeah.

I'm so glad

I did die.

Moment of lost time.

Yeah.

Autopilot.

So you think it's like he went

on autopilot, and when it came to

his brother's death.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, there are

definitely...

It could definitely be

either or,

where it was like,

you're kind of saying like, he

didn't necessarily intend

for it.

And like you're saying like, he just

got so angry

that

it got to that point.

But

again, the idea

has to come from

somewhere.

And so, in my

mind, if I were

to like,

write a narrative version

of this,

it would almost be Cain

is watching his

brother from afar, you know,

working in the field with the

flock.

And maybe

Abel

is butchering one of

the sheep or something.

I don't know.

And he's watching

him just kind of

waiting for when

he wants to go and talk

to his brother.

He's stewing from what

God had said to him.

And he's playing things

over in his mind.

And then he watches him kill

the sheep.

And he's like,

that's...

And at that point,

you know, maybe he's

got that.

But I mean, he could have seen it at

any point.

He could have seen something like that at

any point in his life

and and wondered

if maybe there was more more.

reason

to do so.

And maybe, I mean, because

nature also

has

a lot of cause

for death.

I would assume at this

point where, you know, with

predators and everything.

Yeah, even if he

wasn't slaughtering sheep,

he would be protecting them

from the predators

and killing them.

And there's this almost

like,

seemingly angry side

of nature,

because, you know, you see bangs of

things, we hear growling,

different things like that.

And we perceive it as

anger,

but really it's,

you know, I need to kill

you because I need to survive.

Or I need to defend

my

territory, my

children, whatever.

And so,

well, apparently some

mammals kill,

or I guess,

we'll just say animals.

Some animals kill for sport.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like killer whales, I'm pretty sure.

Right, Stephen?

Do you know about that?

Yes, I

know.

Dogs kills for sport.

They do?

Oh,

freaking dogs.

Darn it.

Gotta love them.

It's always more the social

creatures though.

I do it.

Like the smarter creatures?

More social,

so.

What do you mean?

Dogs.

Oh,

yeah.

Elephants do elephants kill?

No, I think elephants

are pretty friendly.

Pretty tame, that's interesting.

They can be more territory

aggressive.

Yeah, territory

more so.

The hippos.

Hippos are the most

aggressive.

Absolutely, yeah.

And they're actually

full herbivores, which

is interesting.

But, and you'd think like

polar

bears

or like.

Brutal.

Polar bears,

dolphins,

people say dolphins are like

the bullies of the sea.

Yeah, they are.

They actually are

because some

dolphin pods have

been recorded

to actually like

pass around puffer fish

to actually get the toxins

from the puffer fish

and get high on

that.

That's,

I'm

writing that in great.

Joe Rook at the sea and

out at the

empty, you know.

Hey, they got me

a gonna I'm puffy.

pull out the freakin' in

my mind.

What's go kill some

fish, man?

Look at the blue, dude.

You're taking too

much,

man.

Pass it, dude.

Don't take it all for yourself,

man.

That's crazy.

Yeah, I just had a

thought.

Not as stupid as the previous.

That's great.

I'm gonna be clarified.

Thank you.

It seems to me that

the more socially

connected

creatures are,

the more inclined

they are to

murder.

Which I guess makes sense.

Like if you, the only way

to be able to murder

is to

know the

relationship,

right?

And the only reason to

murder someone is to

end relationship permanently.

Well, I would say - Like

the same thing

for like nowadays,

a lower level would be like blocking

someone.

So you

can't ever see him again.

I would

say with

animals,

because they act on

-

Instincts that are -

Instincts are just out there.

The fancy way of saying it, we don't know

what's going on.

But I'm

pretty positive

that there's

quite a few

like species of animals

that are just as

smart, but they

don't have the

same capabilities

as us.

And the most important thing, they

don't have the

soul that God breathed

into us.

Or the spirit, whatever you wanna call

it.

Yeah.

It's different.

It is different.

It's - I'm

just trying to look up the YouTube

channel.

You don't know how to spell it?

It's a hyphen

between

perfume,

it's the dash in

the middle,

it's on either side of

the D.

What's a hyphen?

Oh my gosh.

I will show you.

Okay.

It's a dash.

What's a dash?

You do not know these things.

I'm Gen C.

I'm just saying gracious.

I'm special.

You know your brother's gen, so that's a

hyphen.

Oh no.

Wait, so where it

says at?

That's a dash.

There's no at.

It's a hyphen, it's called a

hyphen.

it No, says at.

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah.

Right here?

Yeah.

Perfume dash D

dash EK.

Yeah.

Perfume DK, find us on

YouTube.

Yeah.

Unless you're watching our video.

In case you're watching

this.

You've already found this.

Leave us a comment.

Anyways,

but

it's an idea

of this is my

space.

And these

are my

people.

These are my people.

Yeah.

And it's about

food, it's about

space, it's about

territory,

and it's about

survival rather than

for animals.

OK.

Not about

I have a grudge

against you because of

whatever.

You don't think so?

No.

People hold grudges

for

those things that you

mentioned the animals fight for.

But I'm saying I'm saying animals.

Crows do.

And yeah.

And animals remember.

Grudges for

few generations

beyond that.

Yeah, but why are they

holding grudges?

17 years.

Generational fights.

What do you call that?

Two families fighting

for years?

What are they holding

families?

What are they holding grudges about?

About important things like

food and water.

Right.

So if you've been wrong,

things that

pertain to survival

and the thing they're trying to

protect.

And so you're saying that the differences.

is Which going to be family.

Something important.

The difference is Cain

murdered

because of

ego.

Because his feelings

got hurt.

Yeah, his ego.

What about other animals

that have social

hierarchies like

gorillas?

You think they kill each other over

her ego?

I don't.

I think they more

fight

about it.

So this

gets

into the

soul thing.

Because animals are not

made in God's

image, the image of

God.

I do not believe that they

would have any

kind of

imagination

and or

inclination

towards these

types of things.

Because they

would have to be

coerced.

They'd have to be

taught

how to

respond

in such a way

that would seem

human.

That's the same argument

that I used for

Cain knowing

how to murder in

advance.

But notice that is not the same argument

that I made.

For animals, yeah.

No,

for Cain.

That's not the same argument that I made.

So you're saying

animals

don't have to be taught,

but humans do.

No, I'm saying that

animals would have

to be taught specifically

because they would have to

be taught something that is human,

not animal.

And a human would

be able to conjure that

up out of their,

not conjure it up, but be

able to.

Come up with it.

Come up with it or

see it happening and

decide that they can do it themselves.

I disagree, man.

I think you underestimate

the creativity

of God's creatures.

Like look at the complexity

of cells,

the human cells,

like biology itself,

like it's DNA

itself, just library

of information that we can't

even begin to.

It's a question of

why.

It's not a question

of whether or not they

can do it, but why.

They're not going to do it for the same

reasons.

So I'm talking about.

Maybe not.

I'm saying you would have

to teach a

dog

to

go and kill

somebody

for a non -survival

reason for

it to go and do that

thing that is

not about survival for

them.

So you're arguing the

cane killed not

because of survival

reasons?

He didn't.

He didn't.

Are you sure?

What do you mean?

He, he, yep.

You see what I'm trying to get at?

I think so.

And here's the question I would put

up as well.

Here we go.

Decay portion.

Yeah.

Well, not necessarily, but.

No, we should roll into decay.

Yeah.

We've essentially rolled into

decay.

Yeah.

And you can correct me if I'm wrong

on this.

Okay.

Let me.

Why did Cain

kill Abel

if he

also could have

killed like a sheep

in the aspect

of revenge?

Oh, killed his sheep.

Yes.

Fair.

So that then

Abel would be looked down

on, hung

by God

and

Cain.

Like being sneaky.

Like finding the best of the sheep

and like slaughtering them.

Yes.

Ha ha.

Now my crops are better.

Yeah.

Because Abel is essentially

his enemy.

So why wouldn't you like the

best

way to torture

someone is to keep them alive.

Right.

But again,

we're not,

this is,

murder has not been done,

right?

But Abel

doesn't, Abel hates

his brother.

Abel doesn't want to see his

brother.

This isn't, this isn't.

I'm not sure he went to his brother.

He spoke to him.

Yeah.

Right.

And he killed him.

Yeah.

He's, he doesn't want to be

outdone.

We, we, we're in this, in

two different points of view.

You come at it with, he

came with premeditated

murder.

I say he came with.

Well, even, even, even if

he, that

you, you

lay this out yourself as

well.

If you hate

somebody,

you've already killed them.

Well, maybe he was going to try to

like talk things out.

But, but.

Because otherwise it would have,

the action word instead of

spoke or

whatever said in your

version would have been,

he went to kill his brother and

then he killed his brother.

Well, it.

yeah, it says he

told him or

in my version,

but either

way,

before

this, he's having

issues

with

God,

right?

So this is not a

thing that like

he's,

what am I trying to say here?

He's going to kill his

brother.

God knows that he's going

to do this.

Yes.

And yeah, cause he's

like all knowing.

Right.

So God knowing

what is going to

happen,

he's basically saying, this

is going to happen

to Cain.

He's basically saying, this

is going to happen if he do not

master it without saying it.

He's like, you

have to be

master over your.

In Syria, it could have been

anything.

But if every sin

can crouch at the

door, like it doesn't matter

what it is.

It could be the most

inconspicuous,

like brushed

under the rug.

But God knows that this is going to

happen.

And he literally

says beforehand,

sin is crouching at the

door.

But it's desired concurrency.

And it's desired for you,

but you must master it.

You must roll over.

So yeah, he's

pretty much telling

Cain

without saying it that you're

down a wrong path.

And God

knows this is going to

happen.

So he knows what's in

Cain's heart because he

knows what's in Cain's heart.

That is the thing that is

possible here.

That is the thing that he, that is the
road

that he's going down.

And he's going to do this thing

if he does not master

it, right?

Right.

And - That doesn't prove that

was premeditated murder though.

It doesn't matter if

it was premeditated

or not.

That is the thing that is

festering.

That is the thing that is going to

happen.

It's based off of the

decisions that he was

making, he was going

to make this decision.

I don't think so.

God literally -

You got it not.

Literally, boy.

He said sin.

He was giving him a general

warning.

God does

not,

God wants us to search our

hearts, right?

So if he

every single time

says, this is exactly

what's going on with you,

are you going to

search yourself?

You could, you should.

You can't, you're

capable,

but

he's

telling him

sin is crouching and

is waiting for you.

Its desire

is there.

So pause

dude and a master

it.

Right, but its desire

is to kill you.

Its desire is to devour

you.

Its desire is against

you.

So I don't think

Cain,

either he didn't

know the

weight of what

he was doing, or he did

not intend to

do what he did.

I feel like the first one

sends him a medical call.

Again,

it may not be that he

intended to do

it.

I'm not saying

that it

is definitely that he

intended to do it.

I'm saying that, either way

it doesn't matter because he

was going to do it.

Right,

before talking and

telling us.

And God sees

that through line, God

knows.

That it's going to happen.

Right, and so why

does God

act upon things that he

knows is going to happen?

Because he's giving us the

opportunity to

turn

around.

But he's not telling us

exactly what's going to

happen.

Why?

That doesn't make any sense.

If he definitely

wanted to stop

something, he definitely

would.

It's like

a time

travel

movie.

If the whole

thing is like

you time travel,

but then you

interfere and

then something

changes, and

then the whole

world changes.

Everything changes in the

future.

And so everyone

in the movie

tries so

hard not

to

change or do

anything that could

put literally

anything out of line.

So with God,

it's like,

hey, this is

something that's

wrong, and

this is

happening right now.

And he leaves it there

because if he

says what's

going to happen,

it could change so

much.

And plus we're

supposed to

make the decision

ourselves.

Not saying that we would

still make the same

decision,

like Cain murdering his brother.

But it's like if

we knew, it would

change

our entire

thought process

of like, oh, this

is going to happen.

Well,

maybe I should do

something else.

Yeah, because

as

somebody who has told

people directly

what it is they're going to

do,

and then I watch them

and I

try to tell them,

don't do that, don't do that, don't

do that.

It just doesn't matter.

It just doesn't.

And God knows that better than

anyone.

anybody in

existence.

And so what is better?

It is better to

say you need

to stop

and you need to search

in yourself what

it is that is going on.

You need to figure it out yourself

and you need to figure

out what is

going to happen and

why.

And then you need to change that.

It's almost like

you wouldn't

go up to someone

who is really

pissed off.

Like you wanna go up to Caine and say,

hey, you shouldn't

kill your brother,

especially with that big

rock.

You know, the one

right next to the field.

Definitely shouldn't do that.

And maybe you should never

even like consider

going in the evening

because you know, he's walking by

the cliff at that time.

Definitely don't wait and don't do that.

It's such time.

There's a moment.

And then your mind

starts wandering like,

you know, I could go now,

but I shouldn't.

I've seen that happen in my

life several times of

like I hear

something in

innocence,

total innocence.

Here it's

like a

friend did this and that

or a family

member did this and that.

And I'm like, oh, that was stupid.

Why would they do that?

And then I end up doing the exact

same thing because I heard that

they did it.

And I'm like, oh, well, they did it.

I should be able to get away with it

too.

And so that's

actually the point that I was

trying to make with

death being present

in the world.

You

and the

state of our

imagination, especially at this

point,

seeing something like

that, it

grows and it

becomes something else.

We can imagine it.

I think he knew the gravity of it.

He didn't know the difference.

It doesn't matter knowing the gravity,

but think about it in

hero stories

and myths or whatever.

It's like, oh, wow, it's so cool.

He's laying up monsters and doing

this, blah, blah.

And that's,

I mean, we see it as cool, right?

But that was still

happening.

We see it as cool

because

the hero

is generally

the God figure.

God's going to come back and

justly slay

all of evil.

And he's gonna save the day.

He's gonna wipe away

every tear

and

all sadness and

all evil and

immorality.

And every bad day that you've

ever had never will happen

again.

So that's the

hero's story.

It's just like the story of

God over and over and over

and over again.

The story of Jesus over and over

again, right?

I think that wraps that

little bit of what you're talking about,
unless

you wanted to add more.

Because I wanted to go back down the path

of the

animals and their instincts.

I'm still on the animals

and their instincts.

So the animals and their instincts,

I think that

just like

animals had instincts,

shouldn't humans have

instincts?

And if humans don't have

instincts,

should animals have instincts?

I feel like

instincts

are

like a programming.

Yeah, animals are consistent.

Yeah,

animals are consistent.

They're formed by their

environment, no?

Right, and then they become

consistent with their environment.

Because if they're not, they die.

They adapt and

evolve.

You tear an animal

out of their

environment

and they

die.

Depending.

Depending.

Unless you help us.

Yeah.

If you don't help them, then

they're going to die.

They won't know what to

do because they're out of

their natural habitat.

I mean, there are factors that can

definitely contribute

to them

surviving in which they

adapt or whatever.

But that heavily

depends on the situation.

If you just take a singular

one of those animals,

throw them into

whatever environment they're gonna die.

If you throw them with a

family,

it's gonna be different.

Because they're going to do every - They
have a lot

more support.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, they have a lot more to

protect.

How is that any

different from humans

besides the soul and

the spirit?

Well, again, the

language that I just used was

about survival.

Right.

How is it any different for

the immoral man?

Cain didn't kill him because

he wanted to survive.

He was already surviving.

There was nothing threatening his

survival.

There was only his ego.

No, there was.

Yeah, so ego is a function of

survival.

So if your

social order

is threatened,

or you feel it's being

threatened,

and you feel like you're

going to lose your

status, that

in effect could lose

you your survival.

You could be cast out.

Right.

So, but what you

are

displaying

though, is a sense

of an ultimate

reality, an ultimate

truth.

What do you mean?

Because in reality,

in God's reality, I should say,

his survivability has

not - Been in question.

Gone anywhere.

Because he's still

dead, in a sense.

He does not have the Holy Spirit.

And God is just saying,

you're going to end up

down a deep and dark

scary path

if you do this.

We don't see God talking to

animals and saying, don't murder each

other.

Right.

but right now

he's

still a farmer,

still has his family,

can still eat,

still has a place to sleep.

He's still totally

fine.

He can still survive,

no problem.

But in his own mind,

in his own truth,

he feels completely corrupt.

He feels sinned against.

And so thus he

proclaims himself

God.

He proclaims himself

justified

to

execute his brother.

So to your

point.

In a way, can animals

do that, but it doesn't have the

same meaning.

It doesn't have the same

impact

because they are innate

in the image of God

and

God isn't

expecting that from them.

And this is what they're doing

as a result of what we've

done.

Because animals did not kill each

other in the garden.

They didn't even kill each other on

the ark.

So we know it's possible.

And we know that there's animals

that have

teeth

that are meant,

quote unquote meant for

eating meat and they only eat

vegetables.

They only eat their

herbivores.

So it's not

unfeasible.

I'd have to be sure.

The tigers, lions, whatever

carnivores

were herbivores

before.

I would have to be shown where it

says that there were no

carnivores prior

to.

You don't believe that, Eden.

Or prior to the fall of Eden.

Because I've not seen evidence

of that at all.

And I've heard it argued

several times and

that doesn't make any sense to me.

What does it make sense to you?

Because we're not

even told to eat

animals in

the garden.

I feel like the first

thought was

everything lived

forever.

So wouldn't that

theoretically mean

that if you live

forever, you

don't have to

consume?

Would that apply to the animal?

That again

implies

a lot

about

creation because

God doesn't say

anything about, in

the curse doesn't say anything

about it.

Well, I'm actually looking back on that.

He

says

that we will,

work will be harder,

childbearing will be harder

for humans.

That's what he says about

man.

And he says something about the snake.

And that's it.

He does things too though.

Hold on, keep going.

I'm just reading.

So again, I

don't remember

and have not

heard of anything that says

that all of a sudden

some animals are

carnivores.

And my

inclination

towards

plants

and everything else

is that they're

all, I guess, in a sense

programmed a certain

way, because

they

need to bear seeds and

the seeds need to grow.

And then certain

seeds do not get

planted unless the

original plant

dies and whatever.

But that's not the same kind of death.

That's not a spiritual death.

And that is a physical

death, but it's not of

a image bearing

being.

And so like you're saying,

it is not the same weight.

So in my mind, it would

be,

the animals haven't changed

is what I'm getting at that

they've been the same.

There have been carnivores, there have
been

herbivores,

omnivores, whatever.

You're saying the arc was a

once in

a,

what do you call it?

One time occurrence.

Once in a lifetime.

Yeah, once in a lifetime.

It was world time.

Even if

the

fall, the

arc happened after

the fall.

And so if animals,

the only reason for a shepherd

was to protect the

animals,

well, and keep them in mind,

but and to kill them and to

whatever.

And so - To

prevent them from

killing themselves.

Sheep were known for like walking

off cliffs.

Right.

I have a fun fact.

But - Fun fact, I like that one.

But eating

meat,

nothing has been said

actually yet

about eating meat up to

this point.

It does say that

God,

so chapter

three, verse 20,

sorry, 21, and the Lord God

made for Adam and for his

wife, garments of

skins and clothed

them.

Yes.

So God killed an animal,

but that doesn't say anything about

eating meat.

It doesn't say anything about

carnivores.

It doesn't say anything about animals.

We do know

from

observation of what God said

to

Adam, I

believe, that

at least man

was an

herbivore.

Yeah.

So I can give you that,

animals,

especially outside of the garden.

That also implies that

plants have to die.

So - So plants do, well, it's

saying eat of the

plants.

Yeah.

You may surely eat of

every tree of the garden,

but do not eat of

these trees, right?

Right.

It's eating of the fruit

of the trees,

but I'm sure there's like

other plants that they would

eat the entire thing.

Right.

And it would just effectively

have to die.

Like the tray of life.

Well, you're essentially

killing something in order to

get assessments, right?

But then you have to argue of like, okay,

is a plant

in

the same way that animals,

you know?

Well,

but why would

plants

change

if?

Because of some?

Because there are so.

The same way that we changed

and we could die.

But think about this,

they're poisonous plants.

So God

decided to make

those plants poisonous

after the fall.

I think that they,

I don't know, I don't know.

Poison causes

death, right?

So again.

But you did say you may eat from any

tree of the garden.

So the garden was

a safe place.

Sure.

It was the safe place.

So maybe the animals

there were

more

controlled.

I feel like it was.

And the poison ivy was

all pulled up, you know?

Peace between

the

animals and the

people, but the animals

still had the same

function.

And I'm probably

wrong, but

when these are.

Is your fun fact?

No.

Oh, okay.

It's completely different.

But when Jesus

cast

out Adam

and Eve

from the garden,

which was this.

I guess it's still Jesus.

Oh oof, I said

Jesus.

Language.

Eden was this

huge

paradise full

of greenery and

life.

It was just so vibrant.

So when he cast them

out,

he cast them out into

this desert

or barren land

where,

yeah, where it's like,

what is this?

It's just dirt.

It's definitely not the

same,

not a vibrant, not as beautiful.

It's like been like a jungle.

So when you

think of a barren

land,

you think of things that

are just dying

and

we'll.

We're totally out of control.

Yeah, like where are you

going to find a

way to survive?

So I feel like that

is when

it was decided,

like these,

we don't know,

or we can't consume

these plants.

So we have to

resort to the

animals because

like

before the animals

already had that

function,

but the humans,

they didn't have to kill.

But now after the

fall, it's like

every.

Yeah, it's like.

Okay, we saw the animals killing and

eating each other.

Like this was our example.

Yeah, this was our example.

have I a really good argument.

Let's follow that.

Well, and I mean, that's the

first time I've ever heard of that.

Yeah.

Well, even if it's

not a barren wasteland, if it

was like a

jungle or whatever,

if it wasn't as clean

as or

known

as

the Garden of Eden.

The animals are

the safest option.

Yeah, the animals are the safest

option because we don't

know all these plants, who are these

guys?

And God didn't ask

Adam to name all the plants.

His wife was a good one.

That's a good point.

Yeah.

Right.

Who was the first

person to try the tomato?

That's a real question.

Tom.

That was probably some pig.

Ato.

They used a rat.

Tom.

Tom.

Tom.

Tom Ato the Ato.

Oh yeah.

Tom Ato.

Tom Ato.

That's exactly where I was going.

Tom had a

nightshade salad in the

shade of the nights.

And he died.

And in his memory,

we named the

fruit tomatoes.

Tom Ato.

To your

point.

Tom Ato.

It is

often

said

that death did not

enter the world

until the fall.

So anything that could

cause that

sounds like

it could have entered the

world

once the fall happened.

So maybe predators did

become a thing.

Maybe poisonous

plants and dangerous

plants or whatever.

That is possible.

But again,

God is fairly

explicit

about

certain

details that change with

us.

And then very unexplicit

about everything else.

I think that

God

very easily could have

created in everything

the ability to adapt

to a sinful world.

Sure.

The ability to protect.

And if there was no need to protect,

then plants wouldn't

protect themselves.

Animals wouldn't protect themselves.

They wouldn't kill each other.

Because it just wasn't necessary.

It was not necessary to

survive because

before the fall,

before death

was entered into the world, there

was no question of death.

There was no reason

to survive.

Because survival was not a

question.

Yeah,

it was guaranteed.

It was guaranteed.

yeah.

Where are we gonna get our next meal?

Don't matter,

God's got us.

And if we

don't, like whatever,

we'll survive still.

And then everything knew that.

And then as soon as we

sinned and

death was declared into the

world by God,

everybody panicked,

inserted, surviving.

But there's also a sense

of - Now it's me versus

you.

For animals,

or excuse me, for us,

it could also be different

where maybe

all these things were created

with these functions, but

we didn't necessarily

have,

we wouldn't have been affected by it.

So death could have been introduced

apart from us.

No,

I'm saying that these,

well, sure.

I'm saying that we

have dominion over

the world.

Adam named all the animals.

So that means that

he named all the

animals, which means that he probably has

a good relationship with them,

because he knows them,

and he, well, he named them.

How would he name the animals

if

they didn't attack

things?

And so there's

this - If they did attack

things.

And so there's this sense

of creation

becomes hostile towards

man.

Yeah, and the

fear of man is put into

their hearts.

Yeah.

And so they either

attack

because they're

scared,

they attack because

they

take an offensive

strategy,

rather than defensive,

or they run.

Yeah.

Although - Because there's something

about like thistles or

something like that.

Yeah,

320.

But thorns and thistles, it shall

grow for you, and you will

eat the plants of the field.

So before thorns

and thistles were not a thing.

So that's evidence right

there.

It doesn't necessarily say that.

It says that they will grow

for you.

Yeah.

So they could have already been a

thing, but now

they are.

They were kept under control.

Okay, yeah.

Here's what I was thinking,

remind me of this.

The key

difference besides

death entering the world for

the first time.

First time for sure

for man,

first time for animals?

Maybe not.

I think so.

But for sure,

God is

gone.

The one who

created order for

nothing

took

chaos, total

chaos and brought it

into perfect

organization,

into a symphony.

What do you mean?

So he took,

well, he made everything

from nothing,

as only he could,

only someone who is

can do that.

And as soon as he left the

picture,

once the person who

was,

is, and will be

leaves that

creation,

by effect, everything starts

to crumble.

So I think when God and

his presence went

away,

entropy became

a law in the universe.

Entropy being everything is

decaying.

Everything is falling apart.

And it's because

God is

so powerful

that everything

was so firmly

in order

that it takes -

His presence on the earth.

Well,

millennia.

Hundreds of millennia

for the whole place to

collapse, but it

collapses.

And you can see it right

away.

In death,

you can see it right away

in scarcity

of resources.

You can see it right away in

plants

growing where they shouldn't be,

animals doing what they shouldn't have,

or shouldn't have to.

So in the absence of

God,

chaos

ensues

on the

earth because - In the

universe.

In the universe, because

- Stars start

to collapse.

Stars start to explode.

Black holes start to form.

That would, I

guess,

kind of imply that it had the

capability of doing so.

See that again, I missed it.

So what had

the capability of doing so?

It had the

capability

of doing so.

Yeah, God was

holding,

I'm more talking about the chaos

aspect, I guess,

but God was holding

back creation by

being present

in it and

stepping away from it.

The falling apart aspect

makes it to where

everything has to now survive.

Yeah.

But that

in my mind

means that

now that everything has

to survive, it already had

that capability of doing so.

Right, because God's all

-knowing.

And so he knew that

he's all

-knowing, he's merciful, he's

gracious,

he's also the

most patient being,

he's long suffering.

That's one of the most common

phrases in the Old Testament.

And everybody looks at the Old Testament
God

and they're like, oh,

he's the only different

from Jesus.

He's like the smiter,

he's like the evil God.

No, he's most

commonly described as

the long suffering

God.

And like the people

in the Bible, they're the

ones obviously saying that.

So they recognize this and

they're the ones being

effective.

affected by

the negative things that are

happening by

God's wrath.

Right.

I mean, most of the people

that say that God is long suffering

from what I remember, and I

could be wrong about saying that

that's the most

common

descriptor of God

in Old Testament.

But from what I remember,

it is.

It stood out a lot to me when I read.

And it stood out the

most in the prophets.

So directly,

like prophets' jobs were to

be the mouthpiece of God.

They were not there to

have a personality

and

give attitude.

Yeah, all of a sudden, they did.

They were God's servants

and mouthpieces.

And they

were the ones who

would always say that God

has been long suffering.

And long suffering for the audience

is just

patience.

As someone

who's willing to stick through it

all, even though they shouldn't have

to.

Like the person

who waits

with

you even though you're being an

annoying little oof

and forgives

you and

just

like is cutting

you slack over and

over and over again.

Because they're just

patient.

They love you.

Right.

And so

in that

fact,

in the fact that

God's

character is on

total display in his creation,

don't you think he would

have, knowing

that this is the

path that's going to happen,

he would have created

a way

for

his creation to

stand a chance.

Especially

when he says

to

Satan

that

he's going

to crush his

head under

Jesus's

heel.

Yeah.

Right.

If that is to occur,

he has to

give

creation

the

ability to survive

entropy.

Because

if God comes

back,

everything's toast.

Everything sinful is

dead.

That's just a fact.

Yeah.

I mean, you see

the worldwide flood,

like he nearly destroys the

entire world

because of his

holiness.

Almost God's bait

maybe starts again.

Who knows?

Maybe doesn't.

After that promises

with the rainbow.

Right.

Never to do it again.

But one day there will be fire.

Right.

So I think God,

knowing what was going to

happen,

knowing the plan

was to

glorify himself and to

have relationship and

to

exemplify

all of his

glorified

character,

which is the most

virtuous thing that

he could do.

It's definitely not selfish,

even though it seems to us

like that's a selfish thing to do.

It's the least selfish

thing that he could do.

The selfish thing that he could do

is continue being

by himself.

Not by himself, but you know

what I mean?

That's the story.

The least selfish

is to create other

beings to

revel in his glory.

Don't you agree?

Yeah.

So he would

again be selfish

to create

beings that

were forced

to revel in

his glory, even though he rightly

would be able to do that.

Right.

Not just a great thing.

Yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

Knowing that he had to give him an

option in the garden, he

didn't.

Knowing that we talked

about this time.

So infinity

time

times

a

minute

possibility

to sin

equals sin.

It's like infinity

times one equals

infinity.

Right.

It's going to happen.

So he knows, just like he

knew that Cain was going to kill his

brother.

Right.

Just like he knew when

the first sin occurred in

Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden,

that

the

plan four thousand

years, four or

five thousand years into the

future was to

come

as man in the

form of Jesus Christ and

to destroy

sin in the most

weird way possible

by dying

himself.

No one would have ever thought about

that.

Evil never saw that coming either.

To destroy evil with evil,

with the most heinous

crime that's ever been

committed in the entire universe.

Mm hmm.

What?

That math does not math,

you know.

But in order for all of that to

happen,

it's been very long winded so

I'll cut it off here.

Sorry.

In order for all that to happen,

you have to program

into DNA

for all

creation, the ability to

survive.

Mm hmm.

Survive when he's gone.

So I think

that that was the main

effect is whether

animals were killing each other or

not before.

And the real

curse was like man

was now spiritually

dead and also was

going to die because God

was not on watch.

Mm hmm.

In should be.

The whole universe is falling apart.

Just like Like one of my

favorite TV shows, look.

Loki,

that scene.

Have you guys finished it?

Okay.

What?

Oh, it's so good.

Okay.

Do I want to ruin it?

Yes.

Okay, she's not gonna remember.

There's been

so long,

I feel like, I have the right to ruin

it now.

Yeah.

So there's a scene

at the end of the

show

where the whole

world,

all the parallel universes

are collapsing.

And so

there's

a few scenes

where literally

the world

around them is just dissolving

and things are like

away, you

know?

Yeah.

And that's how I imagine

our world is

going right now.

And I mean, God does

say, just as you came

from the dust, you will return,

right?

Yeah.

So dust to dust

and so will the entire

universe because

the one you

sustained is no

longer

here.

Permanently sustaining it.

Although it does say

in the Bible later

that God is the

sustainer.

So he's still sustaining it.

Right.

But he's not here

sustaining it in the same way.

Yeah.

Well, and again,

all this speculation.

Oh, yeah.

But.

Yeah.

It's our best speculator.

All right.

Because there's,

for me it's a both and and the

whole programming thing.

Because we know

based off of DNA,

based off of man,

based off of procreation, based off

of everything in existence

that everything is

made a specific way

to programmed in

a specific way.

And that's how

we understand

absolutes,

right?

That's how we know that there

is a truth to everything.

Why else would there be

science?

Right.

And it's

not a question of,

so part of

the reason why I have an issue

with creation,

the rest of creation changing,

and not just man

in light of it,

is that

to

me, it would

make it seem like God

couldn't have just done it in

a one off,

knowing full well

how everything was gonna go

down.

Done what?

Just created everything the way that

it was going to be.

And also

we look

at creation now,

and it

is certain, it is

absolute.

If we,

it wouldn't make any sense to

me if we couldn't go back

then, and seen it

exactly the same way and have it

not also be as absolute

the same.

That's what I'm saying too though.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, but I'm just taking

it from

another

perspective.

So it's,

because some people might still

be in the ballpark

of like, oh things can,

like God

changed X, Y,

and Z things because of X,

Y, and Z.

But at

most what I

see is not God

changing any, the rest of

creation, he's changing

the rest of creation's

reaction, or excuse me,

our

relationship

with the rest of creation.

Because work is gonna

be harder for us,

and

we're,

language changes for

us, Well he

changes the language.

Yeah, he changes the language.

He makes it even harder.

And

certain

things make us

sick,

because we can die.

Death, things,

sickness,

just

like

evil.

Yeah,

just the

absoluteness

of

creation for us

now, if

things were

to change,

that would pose a lot of issues for

me.

Okay,

so you brought up the point that,

like being

around dead things

can make you ill.

That's not what I said, but yeah.

I mean, sure.

No, you can get sick is more

what I was saying.

But yeah, you can get sick from

that.

Yeah, I guess technically dead

things, because if you eat

dead, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Like roadkill.

Yeah, yeah.

That's a bad idea.

Like if you

kill

a crawdad and then

boil it, it gonna be a good time.

If you boil it alive,

you'll be fine.

What about a crawmom?

They don't kill the crawmoms.

That's fine.

Just the crawdads the worst.

Maybe the crawlsons,

not a lot of meat, but

yikes.

But just as cruel

as that is.

But like if

dead

things aren't treated

properly,

then you

will die from

it.

That's why God is very

explicit with

his people,

Israel.

Don't eat pigs,

for example.

Because back then,

people just

didn't do it

right.

And even nowadays, it's pretty

easy to not

cook pork and

prepare pork

correctly.

Like only in the past

100 or so years

have we actually

put a good

process in place for...

where it's sort of

safe now.

Not guaranteed still.

So that's why you cook it

extra crispy, extra

crispy bacon.

But there's this idea

of respecting

the dead.

And I don't think that God

made

animals

for us to kill

them and then

to just let them

sit.

Leave them, yeah.

Well, hold on, hold on.

So there was a through

line that I had there.

So if

animals were dying

before,

and I have two arguments here,

one that's the same as both

sides,

wouldn't it have

put

man

at risk

of sickness?

No.

Why?

Because if things

didn't change, why?

If things didn't change,

then insects would

still be doing that.

So you're saying

if something died, they would be

consumed to like, the useful of

it.

In the

natural

world,

technically everything in

the dead body gets used

because...

And I think we still have the process of

it is messy.

And dirty.

It's messy and dirty,

but it's...

And disease -ridden.

Yeah.

It's also where

I think more of

us seeing dead

carcasses just

sitting there

is because of

modern man,

rather than

the life

that...

You mean central man?

Well, I'm not saying modern

because

of

the

different advancements,

making it harder for

certain creatures to

be able

to get to

the dead carcass.

So we see

roadkill, right?

And it's just sitting there on

a pavement.

Well, pavement is

a hindrance

-ish.

The modern world

buildings are

hindrance -ish.

And it gets grown over really

quick.

Yeah.

Right.

It can get grown over,

but we're

constantly killing plants.

Plants sustain a lot

of life, actually in

fact, it's the same most

of life.

Dude, I'm still getting oxygen.

And we are

also putting things

over creation

to make it to

where creation does not

do anything.

We're also pushing out

creatures

constantly.

We're constantly killing

creatures.

So we're constantly hindering the

rest of the creation

from doing what it is

naturally made to do.

And so with the bizarre

withdrawal,

right?

Well, with the modernization

of man, that

becomes more and

more expressed.

But

you're

insinuating that that's

bad.

What I'm saying is that

if we

as

man

just do not

care about the

rest of creation, we're just gonna

leave things.

We don't care.

Like if we hit an animal right

now, we're gonna be like,

I gotta go.

Like I don't care.

I don't know how I'm gonna do anything
about that.

Where I think God

more amends us to

have a respect for

it.

Responsibility.

Responsibility.

Domain.

Domain doesn't mean to

rule over with

care of the authority.

It means to care.

Yeah.

And so I

think in the profession

that was

the world with

God in it, I

guess,

just as a candidate,

that just

wouldn't be

fought because

everything was

functioning the way it should have

the way that things were

dying, being consumed, and

everything.

So that was my steel man

is did

certain things

have different functions

beforehand, like cockroaches.

Their entire purpose is to

deal with disgusting

things, like feces,

right?

And like rotting food and

rotting stuff.

Pigs,

sort of the same.

Shrimp,

sort of the same.

Like there's animals in every

single environment or

insects in every environment

that deal with the

breakdown of

dead things.

Maybe they only

dealt with the breakdown

of plants.

That could be.

And feces, I mean, fecal

matter is not death.

It's just processing of

plants.

So I could see either

side, honestly.

Like maybe the carnivores just

ate dead

animals rather than killing

them.

O of H.

Which would not be sustainable in the

interest of the imagination.

But it's

okay.

Another steel man

is

that

when

we die,

our immune system shuts off

and the bacteria

that's already inside of us

consumes us.

That's the same for

animals

too.

I'm not sure about plants, but I've
imagined

them similar.

Do you guys know?

Not necessarily

because cell

structure is

different.

These cells in

plants are more.

rigid than

animal cells,

so they're

not as easily

consumed

by their own

systems.

Functioning.

It stops.

Because our system is so

complex that it

needs other

organisms

that work

together.

So there's

so many questions of,

okay, there's a

quadrillion

different cell

types viruses,

not even cells, just like

giant globules of

molecules that now

are pelbed

on kilones and

other living things.

What purpose did they serve

before?

If any, are they a

mutation,

an evolution, so to speak,

of

something good

that degraded

into something

out of cancer?

Well, again, the modernization

of the

world could

cause any number of things

that we just will

not and cannot understand.

You think

if God was here, for example,

he would have stopped us from

making the way to gas.

Hey, I'm God, and

by the way, I don't know if

you guys know this, but your

bodies do not

do well with lip.

Also, stop blood -laying yourself.

That's it.

What are you doing?

Why are you taking mercury again?

That's what I'm looking at here.

Again, there's a sense

of what?

It's like

going into

Minecraft without a

wiki.

You don't know how to build

anything on

the table.

You don't even know that there's a table

to be built.

All you know is you've got an

inventory and you're

like, maybe, what

is this?

You find it, you discover.

That's what

being

in creation is.

I would say it's exactly what we've read
out of

me.

That was not

necessarily a discoverer.

He was a

name -ramp.

It's not like he was

doing everything on his own.

God was side -by -side with him,

telling him what to do

next.

And so when God left, or

rather when we loved

God,

he was no longer

there or capable

of being there in

that capacity without doing

his harm.

Yeah.

Irreversible,

eternal harm.

Right.

Woof.

I mean,

if

God was

here, would he

stop

him from using a mallelic

gas?

Or using a

can's line

of lead.

Or leaded in paints.

But...

Obsessive.

Obsessive.

Yeah.

And my answer

is actually

always an unchanging

is really going to be...

No.

No, he would've decided.

Why?

Because...

If he was here,

creationists would be perfect.

Right.

So in

which case he

would...

He would be the ultimate elder.

He'd go to your elders

to seek wisdom.

No, in which case he

would have already stopped

all of it.

It wouldn't happen in the case.

If

Adam

and Eve hadn't

sinned,

then creation wouldn't be anything like it

is now.

It'd probably be more like it

was back then because...

I don't think so.

So Adam and Eve were the

only two alive

and growing,

let's say.

And they have kids.

Those kids get old enough

to recognize that mom and dad are

naked.

So God says, you know

what, Adam and Eve, I know this is kind of

strange, just going to feel weird

to start, but

there's a thing called

privacy.

But again, that

is the result of the

fall.

It is because they didn't

have shame.

They didn't have

shame,

thus it didn't matter that they didn't

weigh in.

But they were a husband and wife.

Right, but different.

But it didn't...

And clothes have utility.

But God

was

dwelling with them

as they were

naked.

You don't think that's weird?

God's killing.

God's God.

Right.

God's seeing all of it.

But again,

shame,

the whole naked thing has to do with

shame.

But it's also a utility

thing.

And it

doesn't become weird until you

make it weird.

And God

made it weird.

Because of

the

fame and because of sin.

Because he knew

what these things

would bear

because of sin.

I think God

made

them clothes

for two reasons.

One, because they were ashamed.

And two,

because they needed

them out in the wild.

And they had advanced

beyond the level of

where they were.

I think...

Elemental protection.

The horns,

the vessels, and the jungles.

You're not going to want

your things swinging

around.

You're not going to want your things.

Well,

I would say somewhere,

probably because of three reasons.

Because Because privacy his privacy

is not...

nothing.

They hid from God

because they were ashamed.

That's what they wanted in privacy.

They didn't want them to be seen.

They wanted to be

understood and known

in that way, only

to each other,

right?

And even not.

And so that would not

include their children.

And so there's that.

There's also the elements

and yeah, but

also specifically

their shame.

I'm not saying that it's not

like 90 % shame or

80%.

But I think

if the world

stayed perfect and

they didn't fall,

I think we would have

advanced to

the point of needing

clothes,

needing shoes.

I think we would have advanced to

a point of making technology

and buildings

and houses.

I think we would have

advanced to

no, actually I

completely screwed.

Because here's the thing, we have

God dwelling with us.

And I'm always gonna make this

claim that transfer of

information into

everything.

Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on.

How do you justify

heaven then?

What do you mean?

Heaven has

buildings,

homes,

streets of gold.

Okay.

If he's done

that in heaven, is

his dwelling place?

When

did

he - Why would that

be a bad

thing?

When

did

he start doing that?

I don't know.

And the thing is that

he is preparing a

place for us.

We have no idea what that is.

No, he defresses it.

We're a witness.

Okay,

and there are streets of

gold

and homes and all that type of

stuff.

Wait,

wait.

But the thing is

that

that

is being prepared

by,

well, technically

Jesus

says I'm

going - He's preparing

a mad rager.

I'm not in his house.

To prepare a

place for you.

I just believe.

And so,

I mean,

there's nothing,

as far as I know,

saying prior to Jesus

going,

Jesus, the one that was

fully man and fully God,

who lived here on earth,

there's nothing saying that

prior to this,

prior to the

preparation of the new

heaven and the new earth, was

there anything

regarding

human

structures?

And the

usage

of humans,

anything, is

for the transfer of

information.

The reason that we advance

is for the transfer of

information.

But if we - Beyond survival.

If we

- He needs shelter.

Well,

no, no, but here's the thing.

We didn't need to

survive because we were being

sustained.

In the same way

that we would

eventually need clothes, don't you

think we would have

had

utility and shelter?

I think the - reason Because

the wind will

blow,

the snow will spill.

We don't know the fall.

We don't know.

Yeah, we do.

The rain would still rain.

Because if God

is holding back

all of creation

and the effects that it can have

on us,

then - He's holding it in order.

In order.

Order,

so rain

is not

disorder.

Tornadoes and hurricanes

and

typhoons, that's

disorder.

I don't know.

You still need shelter.

Right, but I'm saying

the effect on

us may not be the same.

Sure, we could have been like superhuman.

Yeah.

Like never shiver.

Never shiver, never

shake.

I mean, but you

do bring up a good

point.

It is the chaotic

things that would be

not happening necessarily.

But again,

it would be more

cosmetic, I would think.

Creation - Cosmetic.

So for the glory of

God and the beauty of His

creation.

Yeah, because we're

creative beings.

We would - Emulating what God does.

We would do anything.

Yeah, I mean, like hitting God

because we want

to have excellence and

beauty in all of us just

like God does.

Like look at the house

that Michael

built.

Like, isn't it amazing the

things that God

enables him to do?

So we

wouldn't be making

clothes because we need

to survive, because we need to

feel good or whatever.

Or feel unashamed.

But we would be

making them as a

creative thing.

So I think we

agree on the same level.

The difference is

why

they're being made.

Michaela.

So when God

created us,

He wanted us to

enjoy the

environment that He

had made for

us.

So going back

to

your question,

Farback,

about like, would He stop

us from using

this or creating

this because

it would harm us?

I feel like

it's

sort of swayed, but

I would say no, He

wouldn't stop us

because He

wanted us to enjoy

it.

He wanted us to

be

creative,

like like, find

fun in

everything and just

enjoy

everything.

And so

everything that

we have

created

was

made for

our enjoyment.

So I

feel like everything in

heaven is like

the things

that he wanted

us to achieve,

because heaven

is this perfect place.

So it's

not that different from

what our world looks

like now.

It's just perfect.

It's just perfect.

It's not...

It's a huge difference.

But yeah, not a secret.

And then

going back

to

what you

said about our

body

basically wanting to

kill us or being

made to kill us.

Like when we die, everything

consumes us from inside.

Yeah.

I feel like it

was

something that

was evolved

after the

fall, because

if we were

made to

enjoy everything,

why would

it kill us?

It wouldn't kill us

because...

So you're saying the same way lead

wouldn't kill us?

Yeah, it wouldn't kill

us.

It may not be

the best, but

it wouldn't cause

death.

Okay.

Maybe.

Yeah.

I think the

purpose of everything and the

effect on us would be

different.

It would be different.

Because

right

now,

at least in my world of year,

there is no

thing that we view as

bad or evil that

happens

and cannot

be also connected

to something

good.

But without the presence

of sin, that

is not possible.

Nothing bad would

be

happening.

It would only be good.

Yeah.

Right?

And so...

Or it would be

at the very worst,

not good.

Right.

But so much

of our

experience and

so many of the advancements that

we've made, and so many

things that

have happened and

the results of those things

are because

a bad thing

happened.

Something has

gone wrong, whatever.

That's why we have

the law.

Because again, we don't

have God as our guide

to

be

the source of information, to be

our encyclopedia or

wiki, whatever,

and also to be our protection

and whatever else.

I would dare

to say that if we literally

had God here

with us like we did in the

garden,

we wouldn't need anything

else

because God would

probably...

I mean, in my mind, he'd be

literally walking with

us.

And he says, you know,

you can eat, you can

have dominion over

the world,

over the land.

And he gives us

the opportunity to

do certain things.

But he also,

the ultimate imagination, he'd

probably be like, hey, let's

try this.

Let's try this.

Let's do this.

Hey, you can do this and this

will happen.

Let's enjoy my creation.

I'm going to show you how to

guide you.

Because that's what he's doing anyways.

I mean,

in Pastor

Jason's video,

he wants us to

enjoy

creation

and

Christian

should be the

most creative,

the most excellent, the

most

whatever,

just the most of

everything because of God,

because we have the Holy Spirit.

And that would

be definitely the

case if we had not

sinned and we just had

God literally walking

with us.

And I would

imagine,

and again,

so much speculation

in the episode.

This is crazy.

It's good to think about these.

To

have

a child

at that point.

So Adam and Eve, let's say Adam

and Eve don't sin,

don't fall.

And they have their first child.

And they have their first child.

I don't necessarily know that

God would

split

off.

You know, he has

his God.

Well, no, like he's got,

no, like he would like

split into

two

physical bodies.

It's like, okay,

Adam and Eve have that

version of that

God.

And then there's a clone of God over here.

He is omnipresent.

Well, you're right.

There was the Holy Spirit.

Right.

But I'm saying that he would

probably just, you

know, give the Holy Spirit.

Right.

You know?

And we would

physically see God

not wandering about, but

purposefully

going about

his creation and,

you know, guiding

everyone in the

same ways,

but literally physically

dwelling in

an intimate way.

Right?

That is physical.

Side tangent.

We could probably take this to the

next episode.

Do you think God

showing up in the garden was a

theophany.

And it's a big word to

$2 ,000

word.

Michaela, do you know what this word is?

She does not.

So theophany is

whenever,

it's the idea of Jesus

showing up before

he was born.

So some people believe

whenever the Bible says the

angel of the Lord,

that that's Jesus

instead of

an actual angel,

which you can

imagine that happening because Jesus

is fully man, fully

God, and God

also has the ability

to be everywhere

at once.

Well, they talk about

Melchizedek and

how there's

speculation that

Melchizedek,

a ruler was actually

- At theophany.

At theophany.

Really?

I've never read that one.

We've got to talk about this one a lot.

heard I've that one a lot, actually.

Okay,

so let me write this down for next,

my brothers,

thanks to you, Steve.

Because of the way that it's

talked about in

Hebrews,

that it's like this holy

lion of Melchizedek

or something.

And there's just

some

language.

I was even reading it, I'm like, is

this Jesus?

It's like, who is

this dude?

He's gotta be a

theophany.

Or just like, it's just

a way that

God is being

described or something like that.

I don't know, it's weird.

Hebrews is not - We'll have to talk about
that.

That's Hebrews?

Yeah, that talks about the line

of Melchizedek, or talks

about Melchizedek.

Yeah,

oh, the kitties back.

What in the world?

So he's got this,

Michaela's got a cat called

an aardis.

And he's the cutest

thing you want to, just once

to show the audience.

Gonna introduce,

so Michael has

a grudge against

Aardi and all the kittens

here,

because they used to come into

this room, which used to be

his room, and they would

pee and

other things on

his bed while he was speaking.

He on was news.

Yeah, so he has a

pure and righteous

hatred for these cats.

Um,

this is

Pedro.

Yep.

No, I'm just kidding.

This is Aardi.

This is Aardi.

He's the sweetest little thing.

A fat potato.

She's a man in the

society.

He's cute.

Hold on, let me zoom in here.

Why are you here?

He's got the biggest list.

Meow.

He's purring.

I don't know if you can hear

that.

I can't.

That's really sad.

It's neat,

Cute.

No, I don't love you.

Aardi, Aardi, you love me.

I, in fact, hate you right

now.

Aardi, come here.

Socks I loved, but Aardi

I hated.

Socks.

Socks is an innocent

little man.

Where'd he go?

I love you already.

Over to me.

Is Socks in here too?

Oh, hi Socks.

All right.

Hi, Socks.

So skipping past the

Theophany,

rewind, eh,

whatever.

You know, rewind noise.

We really need a sound effects board.

I can make sound effects.

Yeah?

I'll learn.

Rewind noise.

Oh, that was pretty good.

I like it.

Well, Kelly, you've never even heard

a machine

that makes a rewinding

sound.

Do you know what a cassette is?

Yes.

Have you used one?

No.

Wow, I'm impressed.

How do you know the sound?

Yes.

YouTube.

Yeah.

But that doesn't mean

you know the sound.

But you sort of it.

know Technically, I forgot.

You don't know it in

personal experience.

I forgot the sound,

but I remembered.

That was the sound.

What were we talking about

before I brought up Theophany?

God in the garden

splitting into two,

Adam.

We were talking about

having

the

kids.

In profession, the

in the anti -fall,

if you will.

Dude, that would be such

an epic title to a

book.

I was thinking we should write

a book about this.

Try to

imagine a world where it

does not fall.

And we are in modern

day, and it does

fall.

And what happens then?

The modern fall.

So we've already

had advancements,

and then the

fall happens.

Isn't that just,

what are those books

called?

Alt History?

No,

no.

Or you can mark.

What's the word?

Artie, stop it.

It's like,

the

world

is fine, and then it

becomes a.

Oh,

dystopian.

Dystopia, yeah, dystopian

society.

I love dystopians.

I don't know.

Such a good little boy.

Okay, fine, just don't chew on the

backpack.

Get out of here.

He'll chew on whatever

he thinks is

possible.

a What punk.

See, he's creating chaos.

But he's in our domain.

So we love him.

We love you,

loved.

You could still have a righteous

hatred for him.

That's right, it's okay.

I don't hate him, he just hates me.

Yeah, that's right.

Here comes socks.

I I hate him by his.

association.

Did Artie do anything

to you ever?

I talked.

Artie?

Yeah.

Did he do anything to me?

Did he come in and pee on you?

Yeah.

Oh, I watched him.

Did you make eye contact

with him?

He was making the face.

He was hunched

over doing his

business on me.

On my leg.

I got a pee real

quick.

Sit still.

And

I

wanted to murder him.

So the only time

he peed on me

was when he had bladder

stones.

So he would be laying

with me and

it would be,

he'd basically be uncomfortable.

So it'd be like,

he couldn't really control it.

But with him, it was just like, yo,

I got a pee real quick.

I'm convinced

that

cats are a result

of the fall.

Some other behaviors for sure.

They were

actually created as

Satan

created them.

Lions,

demons.

You know, I didn't say it was a snake.

I said it was

technically a lizard.

Do you guys know how to purr?

There we go.

Now say, did God

truly say

after you purr?

Do it.

You said cats are of the devil.

I don't know how to talk and

purr.

No, just purr

and then say.

Like when you

go.

Yeah, like a snake.

Like a slavery

snake.

Did God truly

say.

Oh, that was pretty epic.

Did God truly

say.

Yeah,

then.

And I'd truly

say.

And fill out that.

That was beautiful.

Hey, hey,

did God truly say that?

Same as America.

Exactly.

He was, did God truly say that you

were my God?

Don't you dare.

That's a real accident.

That's offensive.

No, that was my King

Julian.

Oh yes.

I guess I'm the racist.

You are right.

Come on,

man.

Did God truly say.

Artie just looked at you real

quick.

Did God truly say you

couldn't eat the fruit?

Oh no, no sub fruit

for feet.

Isn't that his thing?

That was Carl.

He just did a Carl voice.

I tried to do a Carl voice.

Who's Carl?

From Jimmy Neutron.

What was the thing that

King

Julius and his

little voice.

That was feet.

Yeah, feet.

But that's a different, that's more

shrill.

More shrill.

Because he goes.

Oh yeah.

So do that voice.

And instead of fruit, do

feet.

Did God truly

say.

That if you can't touch your feet.

Don't touch your

feet.

No.

No, Martin.

No, you don't touch the

foot.

Anybody would touch it.

Not even the leg.

We just got so

far off track.

Squeaking.

Squeaking with squeaking.

It means you

don't touch the feet.

Don't touch the fruit.

Don't touch the feet.

Yeah, he's my.

Look at this.

He got the fruit.

You want some?

I think they're still warm.

Oh no.

My crab puffs.

We are derailed.

Way derailed.

Hey, let's rail

onto the tracks

again.

Yeah, we should.

You know, should we end?

I think we are at

a natural.

I think so.

is This a good ending.

Inclusion.

Yeah.

So I really enjoyed that

conversation.

Yeah.

That was rolled

naturally right into

decay.

Very budimous.

As it usually does.

Indeed.

It was different.

Because in my mind, we're still kind

of on.

Bible.

Well,

we're still kind of on the topic

that we were talking about.

Yeah.

Because we are.

We just got fascinated by that.

No, already.

I hate the self.

Which is fair.

Yeah.

It's a huge

deal.

Right.

Yeah, so as far

as I'm concerned, we

did two verses,

verse eight and nine.

Just kind of.

Yeah.

It gets faster paced though.

We were looking at this,

I guess we're rolling into the news

now.

News and updates.

We were talking about

this yesterday, audience.

And I think I got

hair everywhere

now.

Yeah, you were brushing it off on me.

You're welcome.

Take the hair.

It's like falling all over, Steven.

So we were talking about

plans

for the episodes.

They're coming.

And just reading

through the

coming verses and chapters

and everything.

And it gets faster paced.

Like, Like not.

too long from now, we've got

Tower of Babel,

which is epic.

We've got Sodom and Gomorrah, which is

gross.

We've got

World

Wide Flood, which

is

insanely interesting

to me.

I think we might park

there for like, at least four

episodes,

honestly.

We should go to the Ark Encounter

when we hit that part.

Let's do it.

Or as like a cap.

Where is it?

A capstone.

I hope

it's Arkansas, but I'm pretty sure it's

not.

We'll figure it out.

That's a very

tied

to the word of park.

Yeah, exactly.

That's why I hope Arkansas.

it's If we're talking about

where the Ark is, it's in

Turkey.

No, no, no.

The real - The Ark Encounter.

Oh, the Ark Encounter.

Well, yeah, that's it.

I like Turkey.

Wait, what?

Kentucky.

Yeah.

It's called Kentucky.

Hey.

Why don't we just

stop there

on our way back from

Tennessee?

Yeah.

Or on our way to - Which means

that's Stephen Eskim with us.

Stephen, you're coming.

Sorry, but no, sorry.

Sorry, you can't have a job.

And there goes my full time.

I mean,

we could just fly you out there

just for the day.

It's past Tennessee.

We're not going to Kentucky

afterwards.

That's crazy.

I mean, it's just a hop, skip, and

a jump.

Hop, skip, and a jump.

How many miles?

Look it up.

600.

It's gotta be a lot.

25, it's definitely not 25.

Anyways, yeah, so we talked

about -

Let's just say Nashville.

Doing,

so going from

basically where

we're at - 300.

To - Nice.

Hop, skip, and a jump.

That's a lot.

That's not, that's like Tucson.

I guess four hours, yeah.

Sort of.

It's like a little bit further than

Tucson.

It's like going to a

border town in Mexico.

Yeah.

From Phoenix.

Phoenix, sure.

But yeah, going from where we're at

to right

before,

well, I guess it would be chapter

11,

where it starts talking about

Abraham.

We would change it.

Or rather at the time, I think

it calls him Abram.

I still don't know where that,

does God change his name?

Interesting.

I wonder why.

Because God likes to change

your name.

Yeah, no, that's a common pattern.

Honestly,

we can talk about this sometime.

Yeah, we'll talk about it in

50 episodes.

Okay.

But then after

that,

we're gonna do some

Ecclesiastes.

What, what?

Which I think is gonna be

pretty awesome, which

will probably be - been That's a

life -changing book

for me.

I mean, the entire Bible's been life
-changing,

but - Ecclesiastes.

When I've been in my darkest

moments,

Ecclesiastes has spoken to my soul the

most.

Yeah, absolutely.

And then from there, we'll get into

Abraham.

Do that whole section, which will

take a while.

Abram and Sarah.

I think it's 11 to 24,

which is what?

It's a majority of

Genesis.

And then after that,

we will probably

transition into

something else.

I was thinking of limitations, honestly.

Just kind of continue

on the

whole life.

Are we sad Bible

boys?

Sad Bible boys.

Sad Bible boys.

Yeah, baby.

S -B -B.

Sad Bible boys,

baby.

Have a generic

picture of an

emo boy.

That is an emo boy.

Who's got a cross,

like

jewelry and

stuff.

That's funny.

Stephen's shaking his head.

But I was just thinking

in line

with

wisdom,

wisdom,

scripture, whatever,

literature.

Yeah, same thing.

Or I was thinking it

could be Proverbs.

I mean,

we could do a little bit of the

New Testament too.

I also have this crazy

theory from

reading Revelations.

And Revelations is

so difficult.

I feel like I would

want to get a

professional in here

if we went through Revelations

to help us

out.

Or at least to review what

we talk about.

What if we just took

really good notes?

Hear me out.

Or instead of

taking notes.

Really prepared.

What if we, no, no.

What if we did

the episodes

in Revelations?

And I just thought, what if we,

after the

whole Abraham

thing, we

started going into

Revelation.

And then we kind of just

did that along the

way through

the Old

Testament.

Cause we could do one

chapter and probably

get quite a bit

out of it.

That cat, I'm

gonna murder him.

You just walked across the table and

went

behind the curtain.

Yeah, I'm going, I'm gonna kill the

cat.

What?

We could do like

one chapter cause we probably

get a lot of time

out of it.

Oh my gosh.

And - I'd be like,

well, it depends.

Because Cause there

you could - speculate

forever.

For the Old Testament, for the majority

of the Old Testament and the

New Testament, things

were said, things

were done, and

it's done.

But there's a lot

of scripture

and prophecy

that has yet to

happen.

That's where we could speculate

forever.

And so that's kind of dangerous.

But I guess I'll

give a taste of

my thoughts around

Revelation.

I see Revelation

as

a

huge portion of it

is

heaven

watching

God's

creation alongside

God

as sort of like

proof of

God's glory

and perfection

and

perfection

of all of his character.

And so the

book of Revelation,

if it had a timetable,

the

audience is

watching all

of creation through all

of time unravel

from beginning to

end.

And the

author gets pulled

into this audience

to watch

portions.

And it's really confusing

because he's only seeing

portions.

And he's only allowed to write down
portions.

So that's my crazy,

like, that's the feel that I

got every time I read Revelation.

And I don't know

if there's anything else to differentiate
that.

Revelation is

a

generalization

of everything that happens throughout

time.

It could be a poetic,

most certainly is poetic,

like a lot of allegory.

Interesting.

So that could be fun.

And then

do,

what is it, Jacob and

Esau,

which is right after that.

Very smoothly transitions into

that.

Yeah.

We'll probably

like...

With death.

Right.

Hardcore...

That will probably be

like years from now.

Yeah.

If we can get the

rate we're going.

Yeah.

Well, that's what I was saying.

It's like we got through two verses today,

but there's

huge chunks

of

Old Testament that we're about to get

to.

Right around the corner of that

narrative.

We'll get to like...

And you have to read through the whole
thing.

And there's like whole

chunks

of paragraphs

that are like, it

is what it is.

Like there's nothing to really

talk about besides,

oh, we read that and we

understand what we read.

I think when we get to like

lineages,

there's some

of that that

we should

do

some...

Digging?

Do some digging and see

if there's a little more...

I think there's information.

We've already talked about some of this.

Yeah.

But yeah, I mean, we have

quite a bit of

content pretty much

planned out.

At least 20 to 50

episodes coming.

And I think when we start

actually releasing things,

we should...

Listen to the audience.

Listen to the audience.

That's you.

Yeah.

But I was thinking because

the whole decay

portion tends

to be

kind of some

sort of offshoot

from the

perfume portion, which is

fine.

Mm -hmm.

And

whether...

We find it fascinating.

Yeah.

Whether that's burned on

specifically

by Stephen,

who's really good at getting us

to that point.

Which I'm pretty sure he did it this time

too.

I think he did actually.

Yeah.

He's very slow.

Or

one

of

the others

of us or

whatever that can be.

At the end of the day,

the decay portion can

be anything and

everything.

So whatever you find

fascinating,

audience.

Whatever we find fascinating.

Whatever you find fascinating.

Whatever you find fascinating.

I mean, it's something that

we all have to find fascinating,

obviously.

But I want to talk about things

that our audience finds

fascinating.

Yeah.

Not just things that we find fascinating.

So we want feedback.

We want...

All the

feedback.

Criticism and advice.

Even bad feedback.

All the feedback.

Try to make me depressed with

your comments.

Please don't make me depressed.

I cannot

be made depressed.

I'm very...

You can't go

where you already are.

Oh, thank you.

And...

Yeah.

Is that all the news?

We've got a lot of...

Peace out?

I think we're very close.

We've got to pray out for the line.

Future plans.

A lot of exciting things.

Yeah.

Today was the first day that

I actually posted...

Our podcast on the original.

...personals.

We really haven't been watching

the live.

We haven't been watching the live.

So let's see if

anybody's at all.

One watching.

That's me.

Yeah, I'll go ahead and like the video.

Follow my example.

Like and subscribe.

Yeah.

There's two like.

Oh, hey.

Someone else liked it, I guess.

When there's someone else is I watching.

I think there's all a one.

kinds of...

How's it going?

Yeah.

If you're watching,

please stop watching.

If you're watching

Yeah, well

we'll be on episode 10

in two weeks

two weeks Lord

willing Lord willing

Or

does

that lie is

that February 13th

is February

13th Friday the

13th in fact

Dang. I got that day

off.

Yeah.

Mm -hmm.

I Probably want

cool.

You guys want to do like

a birthday thing

on the 14th

Brody bro date.

Yeah.

Oh like gallons

allen times day instead

of instead of gallon

times we could do

um Guyland time

I don't Berlin times.

Yeah,

I

mean, I don't know

just Go

to

the we could just hang

out sit.

No, we should go to curly.

Thanks

Get ourselves

done by each

other for words

by each other

Flowers

try that they

were single

Get

our makeup

done

so they can

cry and so I spares

yeah

And I like

this

Bring

a whole

new meaning to

perfume to decay

we

could record the entire

thing

We

would be

perfumed and the fact

that we're perfumes would

be the

This is gonna

default even more if we keep

going that's amazing let's

pray out.

Yeah, who wants to take it?

I'll take it again.

Okay.

My pleasure

Respectful No,

no,

no,

no no peer

pressure prayer room

No

Wait

no

peer pressure prayer

place place

PP PP

No

pressure

prayer

podcast place.

Yeah, I like podcast better.

Thank you.

No pressure

anybody.

I would love to all right.

I can pray.

Okay

All right

Thank you Lord for

this opportunity that you've given

to us to

record a podcast

and

to

Speculate

and use our imagination

use

Our desire to

glorify you with

our words with our thoughts

with our actions

And not

only to make

fun or interesting

content But also to

edify each

other and hopefully

our audience that

listens in the

future and

I pray that

you use this

to glorify

you to

Not only grow us as

it already has

grown us

as

hosts but

to grow others

and

Lord, I just pray that

if it is your

will that we continue doing

this

and That it

is glorifying to you And if

it is your will that's

this goes beyond

what we could ever imagine

that we when

we come to that point we can

look back and

just

Be grateful

for your kindness for

your

For your will

for us to

do something that is

that is fun.

That is

enjoyable

and

also takes

work

in time

and effort

and

More than

and just showing

up

And I

pray that we

are able to

interact with other

people that can

help us along this journey

that We show

humility that we

don't have all the

answers Which I pray that

we don't act like we have

all the answers that

We are

understood as

being very speculative

but trying

to be glorifying to you

in our speculations

And that we're able to

be humbled constantly

in this experience

Through people that you

bring our way

and I

pray this all in your name.

Amen.

Amen.

Awesome.

Peace out.

Love you guys.

Peace deuces