Are you sure you're

ready?

Oh, I'm

ready.

You're the mostest?

The mostest ready.

You're the top key ready?

Sure.

That makes

even

less sense.

Oh, I like

it.

There we go.

Oh wow,

it's awesome.

It's a little bit louder

now.

Yeah.

Mmm.

So what are we doing today?

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome.

Daniel, I'm so glad that you asked.

Thank you.

We're doing episode

14.

14?

Of the Perfumed

DK podcast.

Is that because we did 13 last

time?

That's because we did 13 last

time.

You're such a good

counter.

I knew it.

I don't know how you figured that out,

but man.

Well, you know, I've got fingers.

You get, oh.

Yep.

You got

fingers

and toes.

Yep.

What happens when you run out

of toes?

I haven't got there yet.

You're about to lose one toe.

I've got two more.

That's true.

Two more toes?

I don't want to talk about it.

Okay.

This is

episode 14

and

we are

running

on some interesting

energy.

Yep.

We are on a time

crunch kind of.

Yeah, we are.

Very much so.

We are hopefully

going to do well with that time

crunch.

Got it.

Try not to

be

too stressy

about our

timeliness.

Stressy messy.

Stressy messy.

If we feel

that we were

too quick and

we missed a lot, then

we will do another

episode.

We'll call it a point

one,

I think.

Yeah.

Instead of a point five because

we will

release it

for the

audience.

Okay.

Yeah.

Point fives we don't release.

They're half braids.

They're half braids.

We do release, but not

to the public.

Yeah, not the public.

To our Patron that's

not

Patronized

yet.

That makes sense.

No, yeah.

But,

yeah.

Yeah.

So,

let's.

Well, do we want to skip check in this
week

since we're on a time crunch?

No, absolutely not.

Check in is very important, but

we're going to.

I'm going to give you guys

five minutes each.

Oh.

So, it's 8 21.

Here we go.

Daniel.

How was my week?

How was your week?

Good question.

Thank you, Steven.

Time is still going.

Oof it.

My week was

pretty good.

Worked a lot on the podcast.

I don't like

that my life is turning

into just one long

podcast.

So,

I'm

so glad that the editing

project is pretty much done.

Two weeks ahead of

schedule now, which is

great.

Love it.

Two weeks.

Yeah, two whole weeks.

Dang.

And that was done in like

a couple days.

So, I'm just going to

take a break and

focus on

3D printing,

which you so

graciously gave me

after Ben so

graciously gave you

a

3D printer.

And so now I'm just going to play around
with

that and

see what I can make.

What,

your two weeks ahead of schedule is

in,

you got the

next episode done?

Mm -hmm.

Oh.

Yeah.

Okay.

Right.

Dang.

It was quick.

Boom.

Took me like 10 minutes.

Yeah.

Mm -hmm.

Dang.

Yeah, it was so fast that last night

I was like, I finished

drafting episode

four and

I'm like,

this,

did I

finish

episode five?

Let me check.

And yeah, it was there.

Dang.

That's awesome.

It's quick.

Yeah.

It's great.

I'm sure by like

two weeks from now, we'll

have all

our episodes up to this

one.

Yeah.

That'd be great.

Yeah.

And then, then you can really take a

break.

Yeah.

For real.

Oh, that's gonna be awesome.

That'd be nice.

And then we can start working on

other things.

Adding more?

Yeah.

Well, just like

improving.

Improving quality.

Bro,

that's awesome.

Yeah, man.

I'm excited.

Yeah.

Cool.

We could work on becoming a

nonprofit.

We could.

Yeah.

Is that something we want to talk about
here?

Not yet.

But I like that little

drop.

uh, that little.

No, don't believe it out.

No, I love

leaving

little leaves

for eggs.

Okay, are we past five?

No, we're not.

You took two minutes to do that.

I took two minutes?

Yeah.

Wow, all right, let's just take advantage
of that.

Steven, how was your week?

I have less than you do,

what do you mean?

I talked about the future.

I didn't even talk about my week.

That's true.

You said it was good.

It was good, and I worked too

much on the podcast.

Yeah.

How about you?

Worked yesterday.

Yeah, you did.

Got extra hours,

so

I

like getting

extra overtime pay

though.

But I was

scheduled till

six

and

I got to stay till close,

so basically nine,

so got three extra

hours added

on.

Nice.

Pretty much it,

otherwise

still

trying to,

what was it?

I haven't looked

up a whole lot for

the social media

stuff

yet.

I just started last

night, so.

Working on the podcast.

Yeah.

Auto posting to social media.

Gotta fill the audience on, they have

no idea what we're talking about.

But technically,

aren't you already

doing that though?

Am I doing that?

Yeah, because you said you

already said something, you

already scheduled.

Well, I scheduled YouTube.

Oh, gotcha.

But.

Posting to YouTube.

Yeah.

Gotcha.

I don't know if I can schedule

posting

to Spotify

yet.

I thought you said,

I'm so

confused.

I thought you said that you posted

to the socials.

No.

Can I ask you, my bad.

Oh, you just picked out

the thing that we

would,

gotcha, I got it.

Yeah,

you pointed out last week that I

don't allow people to help

me.

So I was letting you help

me.

Okay,

here we are.

You're welcome.

All right,

Michael, how was your week?

I'm not steven, you had more?

Nope, not really.

Cool.

My week was good.

I worked until

Wednesday.

Nice.

Had Thursday off,

had yesterday off.

Went to

a work

family

picnic,

little thing.

Wasn't really a picnic, but whatever.

My sister and

dad went.

So I

met these guys,

there's live music

at this

thing.

And one of them is the

son of somebody

that works at my

job.

Son of Sam.

Huh, what?

Okay, keep going.

And I had

met them

at the

Arrowhead

Farmers

Market.

And I had talked to them

at that point, followed them,

whatever.

I'm like, oh, that's so

crazy that they're here.

Cause I had completely forgotten

that one of them was related

to one of my coworkers.

But then I

remembered, I'm like, oh

cool.

I'm like, dude, you guys should do

all our events.

You know what?

You should just be playing all day

long at work.

Love that, that'd be awesome.

That should be a thing.

That would be pretty cool.

That'd be amazing.

That's why when I open a coffee shop, just

have someone playing all day

long.

Oh, that'd be amazing.

It'd cost a oof ton of money.

Yeah.

Dun dun dun dun

dun.

But I streamed,

I live streamed.

Oh yeah.

More than once?

Some Apex Legends, no, just once.

Just the once.

On Thursday.

How'd that go?

It was good.

Any

watchers?

Absolutely not.

None, I love it.

None.

Echo -y Palace.

Nope,

but it sounded great.

It looked great.

Good.

And yeah, really easy to set

up, Streamlabs.

Good stuff.

A little shout out.

Yeah.

A little freebs.

Can't be giving freebs out.

Eh,

we give a lot of freebs.

I don't know what I'm talking about.

a do give lot of We freebs out.

Yeah.

It's kind of crazy how many freebs

we give out.

Yeah,

freebs.

We just love doing that.

That's a new one.

Yeah.

You really, like,

dude.

I'm Australian at heart

without an Australian accent.

Because Australians,

their slang, from what I've

heard, is just

shortening stuff.

That's it.

Interesting.

Like the barbecue?

The barbie.

On the Ghost Run podcast,

they

shorten

things all the time.

Oh, they do.

Yeah, for no reason.

You need to stop telling me this.

I want you to listen to

this podcast.

I want you to listen.

Tell the audience what you've

been telling me recently about this.

I've been telling you that

it's perfect

for your personality.

They are.

That I am a

carbon copy of one

of the characters.

I don't know what a carbon copy is, but

you would connect with them really

well.

And it'd be perfect.

You would

find so much

joy listening to them.

Just the little bit that

you listened.

Yeah.

Pretty sure you enjoyed it.

No, I can't deny that.

Maybe one day we'll

enjoy

hanging

out with them.

Dude, I'd love to

have them on the podcast.

One of them is moving,

possibly,

to spoilers.

Actually, it wouldn't be spoilers because
this isn't

coming out for a long time.

But apparently one of them is moving

to Phoenix.

Oh, so we could have.

That would be tight.

I'm definitely going to reach out to them.

I'm definitely going to be like, hey,

listen to my ideas.

By the

way, I have a little friend

who would like to meet you.

They'll be like, what?

Speak up, please.

What are you saying?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I'm really scared.

I'm breaking the accent when

I get let.

Dude,

from episode one to now,

the first episode you were

unwilling to do the

Indian accent.

Oh, oof.

You just do it all the time.

I just offended nobody.

You offended.

Well, yeah, we got a total

of zero

listeners, it looks like.

Yeah.

Wow.

Which is great.

I love it.

No pressure.

Zero.

Literally.

Except for everybody listens

thereafter.

I mean, we were kind of new.

We were very new, in

fact.

Just a little bit.

Three episodes.

Three episodes.

Three released episodes

with

grand distribution.

Whereas YouTube,

we're at the mercy of the

YouTube algorithm gods,

little g gods, and we all know what

the little g gods are.

They're actually

demons.

So moving on from that.

Wow.

All right.

Just in case we

didn't already

get Shadow

Bands.

We're going to move on from

that somehow.

Crazy.

So yeah, your week was good?

Yeah, it was good.

It was good music.

It was very good.

Any other highlights?

Oh, you know what?

I did go.

You should go too.

It's a good time.

Oh, you don't drink.

You can hang out.

It's a show.

But basically,

Ben has been

inviting me to

a

whiskey

and cigars night.

Oh,

it sounds very...

Reformed.

I don't think they're reformed.

No?

One of the guys

is a young life

leader.

Oh,

cool.

The other guys, I think, are just

associated with church.

One of the guys cusses up his charm.

It's awesome.

He's from Mexico, I think.

He's got really long hair.

He has a ball tied up on the top

of his head.

It's crazy.

I'm like, dude, I want to keep telling

him.

I want to pet your head.

Your hair looks incredible.

Is it kind of like

dreadlocks almost?

No, no, no.

It's straight.

Smoky smooth.

Smoky smooth.

Not sure how to about one.

that think I don't know what that means.

I don't like it.

But yeah, I went to that.

Yesterday was a day.

good really It a was jam -packed day.

It was crazy.

And I went to

the Easter service.

Oh, gosh.

How was that?

It was awesome.

Yeah?

It was so good.

Just music and in

between the songs,

they gave the message.

Was that at your church?

Yeah.

Okay.

I ended up not going to mine.

Oh, no?

Yeah.

Because I was planning

on going with my family,

but they decided to

do just the Easter service, which

is weirdly today,

Saturday.

Okay.

Yeah.

I would figure it would be

on Sunday,

but...

Oh, well.

That is weird.

Yeah.

So it kind of threw me off.

I kind of chose not to go.

That's generally how that works.

You just choose not to.

Yeah.

It

threw

me off.

I'm going to stick with that.

It makes me feel

less guilty for not going, you

know?

Okay.

Yeah.

Sure.

So, in denial over here.

Okay.

Interesting.

It's feeling great.

Of all the times to

skip,

I feel like Good Friday is the

worst.

I mean, that's what

the good Catholics would say.

Because they're like, well, we have

to go to the Easter service,

and we have to go to Christmas,

and that's it.

Well,

Good Friday is not Easter.

No.

It's part of the Easter service.

But it's

in that

region.

So the reason I feel most

guilty for skipping Good Friday

is because

that was

the day that Jesus was dying for

me.

Sure.

Yeah.

I mean, you know, if you

feel bad about that,

that's

possibly a good thing.

Yeah.

It probably is a good thing.

Because what I was doing was

working on the podcast, and I could

have definitely delayed that.

For sure.

Yeah.

For short.

Sure.

Anyways, glad you had a good week.

Anything else?

No.

That's it.

Cool.

Shall we get into

this scripture?

Yes.

To one of you who wants to pray

first.

I've prayed quite a

lot.

And you have to.

So Steven, do you want to pray us in?

I can.

No pressure.

Literally still

zero

streamers.

Still zero

corgis.

Corgis?

Oh, right.

Don't animal know why it's animal -based
nothing Nothing

we do is animal based.

no it was super random

yeah but that's who we are

awesome yeah

steven so do

you want to pray for our corgis

sure

and

our own souls

dear lord

uh

thank

you

for

um

giving us your

son uh

and for all that

he did when he

was here with us

and

thank you for

all the

stuff that

i'm able

to do because of

that and

uh

thank you for

um

sorry

i'm losing my train of

thought

i

do

apologize for not going

to

uh last

night's service during

bid friday

um

they had

work but not

much of an excuse

um

but

um

thank you

for

your

son's sacrifice

probably

the most

recognizable

thing in the bible

and

um

the

most

traditional i would

say as far

as a holiday

for

christians

themselves

so

in your name

amen amen

good

stuff uh we

are

at the

end

of genesis

four yeah

and 26 25 and

and let me pull this up

for

those who don't

have their bibles

and

i

like that it shows the

what are you talking

about the vertical

view yeah although

the vertical view seems to

be

not great unless you're

talking yeah see now

it's focused on you yeah

well

we'll work on it that's okay

we're a work in progress

constantly working that's just

life that's

that's very consistent with our

show true all right

the core message

work

in progress worked

um but yeah we are

in 25 and

26 chapter 4

i'll read it for us

and we will

get into

it sounds good

uh and adam

knew his wife

again and she bore

a son and called his name

seth for she

said god

has appointed

for me

another offspring

instead of

able for kane

killed him to

seth also a

son was born and he

called his name

enosh at

that time people began

to call upon

the name of the

lord

um

previously

we just

finished basically talking about

the line of

kane

um

we talked about

lamex

uh

self -curse

and we

talked about his sons

we talked

about

um

everything

came for

several weeks yeah

uh and now

we are out

of cane

and

into

seth

um

finally

what are you

guys's first thoughts on

this section

um i think

it's sort of out of the blue

like it feels like it's

random like

literally the last verse

is if canes

is sevenfold then

lamex is 77

fold

that's

lamex talking about himself to his

wives and then

and adam knew his wife

again

and

she bore a sign called him

seth yeah

where does

that come from right

but

i've we

sort of touched on this last

week um

there's there must be

a point

to what

feels like a very

abrupt

random

thing sure

um the the

bible was written without

verses and without

chapters

so

with that in

mind anything that

feels abrupt

i feel like it

could have

additional meaning

that's also what this

show's about

sticking

into the

the

um

just anything

that we can possibly

find yeah like

we're hunting for treasure because

there is treasure in the world

so with that in mind

what do you think you

would say is the

reason for this

random

injection so random

change of pace i was thinking

about that

and so

it's

interesting because the

beginning of chapter

four

is now

adam knew his

new eve his

wife conceived and she conceived

in borkane Borkan.

And then at the very

end it

says, and

Adam knew

his wife again,

and she bore a

son and called his name

Seth.

Um, so

I think what this

is,

um,

and,

you know, the,

the breakup of

the Bible, uh,

is not technically

inspired,

um, by

God.

Um,

just,

uh,

just the word

itself.

So

in

my mind, it's almost

as though

it'd

be better

if

chapter five started

at

verse

25 of

chapter four,

um, because

it's almost like

one point

they're talking about

Cain and Abel in

chapter four, and

then they go on

to, um,

and then they go on to Seth

in chapter five.

So listen to this.

So last

sentence of

chapter four,

at that time, people

began to call

upon the name of the Lord

beginning of chapter

five.

This is the book

of the generations

of Adam.

When God created

man, he made

him in the likeness of

God.

And then it goes on.

Yeah.

It seems to me, these might be

scrolls.

Sure.

We can look into this.

Um, so if,

if that is the case, then

maybe

Genesis

one through four

is one scroll

and five

and on

is

a

continuation

or

it's a, it's a separate scroll, but

a continuation of Genesis.

Yeah.

Um, also

what's

interesting is what do you think

name Seth

means?

Oh, did you go to the,

I'm looking at the concordance right now.

Yeah.

That's amazing.

I'm glad you're using that.

Yeah.

Um, I don't know,

Seth.

Uh, so,

um, yeah, I

mean, there's something around redemption

maybe possibly.

Okay.

Well, look at what it says

in verse 25.

God has appointed for me

another offspring

instead of Abel.

It literally means God has appointed,

doesn't it?

It's a, it, yeah.

I freaking knew the way it puts it here

is,

um,

appointed or put,

i .e.

Replacing.

Um, so

in, in, in, my

mind,

it's

almost as if Moses,

uh,

is writing

about

Cain, right,

and about the sons

and the first sons,

if you will,

and how

that went and

then, um,

redeeming it in

a sense by saying,

because the way that Eve

is looking at this is that God has

appointed for me a new

son to

replace

the previous son

that was killed.

So, um,

you know, and then, and,

and also I think

by

extension

also kind of

replacing Cain and

his evil.

Um, so

this is God,

um,

keeping his promise to them

that he

through their line will

one day crush the head of

Satan.

Yeah.

So

she

knew,

she

knew that God made that promise

and she

also struggled with

believing what

God said.

We know that because

of the fall.

So I'm sure

having

Seth after this

whole debacle

of

Cain killing Abel

and

Cain

wandering off

and

being cursed

is

very,

what's

the word,

encouraging,

um,

gives her a lot of hope

that

she

can

look forward to God

keeping his promises.

And this is interesting

also because

we don't see them

complaining.

We don't see her complaining.

Yeah.

Cause I feel

like I would be complaining at

this point.

Sure.

Yeah.

After all the

awfulness has gone.

God, why?

Yeah.

Um, not only is

my,

I guess, faithful son

dead, but

the

not, the not so

faithful son is

roaming around,

look at what happened to his line

and,

and they're

causing chaos

and

danger for us.

But now she

chooses to

look at the

good and just a good

for,

for

what it is, that it's from

God,

that it's a gift and that

it's him keeping his

promise to her.

Um, it's interesting

because where

this at least

if we're to go off of this

in terms of time.

It places

this

verse

25 around

three what

does it say yeah

bc 38

74.

3874 before

Christ?

Yeah.

That's way

sooner than I thought.

Um

I

wonder where

it places anything

else

because

I know we've been

fairly curious obviously

this is kind

of

uh

I mean it's done

by people a lot smarter than

us.

Yeah

but

I want

to see.

Do you want to give the uh

could you

pick up the book

so I could read

the title?

Read the title to

us so

people can reference it.

This is the new treasury

of scripture

knowledge

revised and

expanded

um

by

Nelson

Publish promotion

company.

Cool.

Um I don't know

what year

but

uh 1992.

Okay.

That's when this was done

but

let's see.

So this is

one of the most

exhaustive concordances

that I could possibly

find.

It's not in print anymore

um and

so this is a well

-used version.

Yeah but

uh

each

verse

um

is

like half

a page of

like references to

other portions of the bible

so

just for the audience

like cross -referencing

is

uh

essentially

where we are in

verse 25 right

and Adam knew his

wife again um we could

cross -reference the word

and but that would

show up in way too

many places right

right so

then

okay now we can look at

Adam we can cross -reference

that

in

every single verse where

Adam is mentioned

a better

example is the

word new what does

that mean and

the cross -reference will

take us to

uh every time

that word was used

uh in the bible

and so we can see it

being used in context

uh in several

contexts to get a

better idea

um

also

a

concordance or a

is it concordance is that the

right word i think so yeah

it also takes the

idea um

so Adam knowing

his wife again that

idea of

a man knowing his

wife and

cross -referencing that

idea itself

throughout the bible

so it gets

very

deep into the

weeds and so

it's it's like you look at

the thing um can you

hold it up for them

you have to talk so

the camera talking

oh wait no

it's not let me switch to you

i don't know there you go

thing is thick things

crazy right

um funny

this

is

okay so i might be

wrong

it's

saying am

and then bc

for the beginning

oh that's for

chapter six i'm

so lost

i'm trying to look

at but that's funny

chapter six starts

all the way

wow goodness a

lot of years

um

so

it's looking like

at the

chapter that we're at

that's the first

time

that

a date or a

time is given

25 and

in uh verse

yeah

because i'm looking for

the rest of it and there's

nothing wow it just

gives 38 74

i wonder what's 70

oh probably because

it's right

with the

uh genealogy it's the

first genealogy

so it

was it's easy oh

references to seth

yeah yeah

so seth

right here

yeah so verse

six when seth had

lived 105 years

and then also adam the

days of adam after

he fathered seth

seth were 800

years

also

adam had lived

130 years and he

fathered a son in his

own likeness and then we

can follow the descendants

uh to noah

and then the descendants from

noah to jesus

um and

uh

we can

sort of guesstimate

well

when

jesus

lived

uh

which i think it's like

ad 33 or something like

that uh to now

right it's

pretty easy but

uh we also have from adam

to jesus

in

one of the

gospels i believe

so yeah that makes sense

i did not

realize So you said 3

3700 ,700 in and how many years

Uh, says

BC3874.

Um,

all right, keep going.

I'm going to do

better research on

that.

So good.

Um, so

it's

an, so just kind

of stepping back to

the replacement

idea.

Um,

it seems kind of harsh.

Like the,

the, because,

yeah,

cause this is,

um,

I mean, I guess in one case

she, she brings

up

able,

um,

I I'm just kind of like

trying to think about what the

relationship would be

between the

first woman

and

her man

children.

Um,

and

like

she got to be

in the garden.

She's

probably

not experienced murder

before.

Um, and if she

has, you know,

it, it's

not going to

feel as awful

as it would

if it was your own

child.

Um,

so

I

mean, in her

mind, God has

appointed

a

replacement, another

child in

place of Abel.

Um, it

almost seems like she,

cause like you said, there's, nothing

really being said, there's no

complaints, there's nothing really

being done,

but I

mean, she's definitely grieved

at the fact

that Abel was killed

by Cain,

she's not happy about

it.

Um,

cause again, it's, it's

death is unnatural.

Um, and, and Adam

and Eve would be

more

privy to

that.

Um,

just in the death of

their

immortality,

um,

death is a little traumatic,

but still it is,

it's gone.

It's not, they're not going to get it

back.

Um, other than when they

end up in glory with,

with God.

I mean, the biggest death

is the death of their

spiritual

union with God.

Yeah.

Right.

Um,

so

I

mean,

I almost feel

like it's gotta be more

intense, your, your

feelings towards

your

child.

Um,

and now they have

a new child

who they

probably treasure

more.

Um, because

I mean,

naturally they want

good things to come

from their children.

They want,

and they also want their

children to call on

the name of the Lord.

They want them to trust in the Lord,

not to curse

themselves because of the

punishment that the Lord gives them.

Um,

or to further

curse

themselves, if you will.

But, um,

I

don't know what, do you guys,

what are your thoughts on the

replacement child

situation?

On the what child?

Replacement child.

Replacement child.

Replacement child theology.

Um, I

was thinking

she

probably

knowing

people and

I don't want to make any huge

assumptions here, but

generally we complain.

Uh, generally we blame.

Um, and we saw

that they blamed.

Why do

we then

assume that they didn't also

complain?

So maybe she did

complain.

This is all just

conjecture.

Bible by no

means actually says this,

but the

Bible chooses God

chooses to

record the

fact that

she

had a son named Seth.

Um, and

that she recognizes

that God

gave her,

uh,

another

to

replace

Abel.

Cain, if you look at her

statement, it wasn't even a question.

Wasn't a,

she

didn't even think of Cain as

someone who would carry on the

promise.

At all.

Um, she says

for another

offspring instead

of Abel for Cain

killed him.

Cain is the

bad guy in the story.

He's not even the

subject.

But now the

subject is switched to

Seth.

Um, I think, oh

man, just

talking through that

helps me realize something else.

Um, this sort of

proves that

none of

history is on the shoulders of

man.

It's always on the shoulders of

God.

I think if

she didn't realize that, and

if Adam didn't realize that,

I'm realizing that now just

by reading this, God is

using the evil that

Cain

caused,

uh, by killing his, his

brother

to to

prove to his

people.

that

no matter what

evil tries to do, he's

still in control.

He still is the one

who keeps the promise,

not other

people,

not people he

appoints.

So even though

she says

God has appointed Seth,

that might not be the plan.

The plan is God is

going to carry out the plan

using people,

and sometimes donkeys

and reversing the

sun, making sure it stays in one

place at one time.

Some of the weirdest things

ever, like whales

or giant fish

eating people and

then not digesting

them for some reason and spitting them

up out on the shore.

And reviving an entire

plane

of dead

people.

Oh, I'm not sure if that's actual,

I think that might've been a vision.

We should talk about that though.

That should be a half -breed.

Yeah,

I mean, it's definitely gonna be an

episode in the future.

Oh yeah, I mean, but like,

where is it?

Is that in Genesis?

No.

Where is it?

I think it might be in Genesis.

It might be in Genesis actually.

But Genesis is so long.

And we're like

14 episodes in?

I would say it's probably definitely in
Genesis.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right, we'll have to look into that
later.

But anyways,

yeah, no matter

what evil

does, it can't

thwart God's plan.

It's like,

it's like trying to say screw

gravity and like

all of a sudden

you can float now.

Sure.

Are you doing that?

Oh,

I was looking at

how many

chapters there were

in Genesis and

there's 50.

50, yeah, that's a lot.

So extrapolate from here,

14 times,

okay, hold on, 50 divided by

four math people, come

on.

It's approximately

22.

Thank you.

I'm just gonna trust you on So that.

wrong.

So by four.

It's approximately

like 11.

.5

or something.

Let's just say 11.

It's like 12 .5.

Let's do 12 because we - 12 .25.

No,

12.

Is it actually 12 .25?

Yeah, because 12 times

four is 48.

I see what you're doing in that though.

That's 48 and then it's

0 .25.

It's 12 .25.

Okay, cool, thank you.

So 12

times the,

how many episodes we've

done?

14,

could you do that math, Steven?

Could ask me earlier.

It's less than

144.

Yeah, because 12 times 12.

Yeah,

no, it's more.

It's more.

So 156.

Higher,

168.

168?

I think.

Oh, wait,

because it's two more

12s.

So that's 24.

Yeah, 168.

Okay, so episode

168.

We'll finally be through

Genesis.

Well, actually no,

because we're gonna go to

Ecclesiastes.

So that's 12

chapters.

No, it's not too massive though.

Ecclesiastes, it's a whole

new piece.

14, wait,

wait, that's another

168.

Oh no.

Because that's 12

chapters.

Holy cow.

And then after that, we're gonna

go to,

or after we get

through another section, we're gonna

go to something else.

Yeah.

So episode

593,

we will get

to, dude.

Wait, so we're gonna

go to the

beginning of Abraham

and then we're gonna cut to

Ecclesiastes and then we're gonna

come back and finish out.

Genesis, that's the plan.

So it'll be like

somewhere like 200.

Because that gets us

into

Exodus.

So I feel like we're

probably gonna

stop right before

then.

Right before Exodus?

Go somewhere else and then come back.

Probably, but we're

talking about somewhere

along the line in the next 200

episodes, we will cover

this bones coming

back to life

topic.

Someday.

Goodness gracious.

Episode 900.

Don't feel like you have to wait.

You can go and

read it yourself.

Yeah.

Go and read it and

go into the comments

and be like, hey, you guys should do

this.

And you'll be like, thank

you.

We'll do it.

Actually, no, we'll do a 0

.1 or

something.

I don't know.

Well, I feel like, because

here's the thing that we need

to take into consideration

here.

The episodes that

are asked

of us,

I don't think are gonna be 0

.5s.

They can't be.

They can't be.

Cause

that's

putting a paywall

on our

audience listening to

what they wanna hear.

So there's that.

So that would set us back.

a Just like special or something.

Yeah.

But then we also have to keep

in

consideration keeping

consideration having.

guests.

Which also isn't going to be 0 .5.

No, no, so we're probably going to have
like

- Actually, no, no, guests

probably would be 0

.5s.

Yeah.

But even still - Well, not

all of them.

They can't be.

Not all of them.

No, I don't want - I really

don't want guests to be 0

.5s.

I want guests - Well, like the ones with

my sister instead of being

0 .5s.

But like,

people that have an audience of their own,
I don't

want to do that to their audience.

An audience of their own?

Yeah, their audience.

They want to go and follow -

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Let's go listen to that podcast.

You're talking about our - And they come
here and there's a

paywall?

Yeah.

No.

Yeah, yeah.

No, no, If they have

like - Yeah,

that's different.

But if it's like people that we

know

just personally

- We'll say, hey, your ugly

face

is

top

key enough that we need a paywall.

I would say the episode that

we do with

them where they're

like, oh, like

I'm going to -

this is the topics that

I want to do, that'll be

behind the paywall.

And then they can come on again

and we'll do a regular

episode with them.

Oh, yeah.

That's a good idea.

Yeah, Yeah, we could do that.

Because, yeah, I think

people could come

in multiple times.

It's fine.

Honestly, we could just do

a

perfume.

That would be the paywall.

And then decay would be

not paywall.

Possibly.

We'll talk about it later.

But anyways,

yeah,

that's crazy.

That math is ridiculous.

Also, back to the point.

Yeah.

Gut can do anything.

Yeah.

And it's

like, he's not a

referee.

I'm stealing that from someone in

my life.

Someone preached that along the line.

But God's

not a referee.

He's a player.

And he

is

on the

field making

sure his

plan

goes

according to plan.

Yeah.

That it happens.

And

you

could call that overbearing,

but

obviously he's not.

He let Cain kill Abel.

Sure.

Right.

So he lets us face the

consequences of our

actions.

And

still

he's

able to execute his plan.

What a splendid

project manager.

Yeah.

What's interesting

about what you just said

is that actually

in terms of being a

referee, that actually

would be the case.

He would be a referee.

Well, yeah, he's player and referee.

Right.

Yeah, because he's

dishing out the

consequences for your

actions.

But he's also

right there beside you

and

making most

of the shots.

If not all of them.

He's like, hey, pass me the

ball.

Actually, you know what?

I'll help you pass that ball.

He's a commander

in chief.

Yeah.

To use a US

analogy.

Yeah.

He's if he's not doing

it himself, which he's

way more hands -on than

our commander in chief

could ever be.

Yeah.

If he's not doing it.

He's like staring at me and

typing.

Are you?

Yeah.

Doing your fish thing.

Yeah.

If God's not doing it,

he's commanding

it.

He's having his angels do it or he's
having his

people do it.

Or even

better, even more funny.

He's having evil do it for

him.

Yeah.

He's a master manipulator.

I mean, in the sense

that yeah,

because he I mean,

he's

laughing

at the

ones that think that they can just

have their way

and

Yeah, what we

intend for evil

he uses

for good.

Yeah, he laughs.

Yeah, that's actually that's really

that's a good point

because

I'm pretty sure it says in

the Bible.

He laughs at

our

plans.

No, he laughs at the

evil

princes.

I think it was.

It says that he laughs a lot of

things which

I'm which is

kind of funny.

So do we

probably

things we shouldn't yeah,

but he's laughing at

it almost

seems

mean

mocking mocking.

Yeah, but he is

he is because

certain things that deserve

to be mocked.

Well in that's that's

a function of humor.

Yeah,

as one level.

Yeah.

Well, it's

because he

is

the judge

right and

he is ultimately

the one that is

communicating.

Hey, this is bad

and well all

the things are pretty

much referencing are in

Proverbs.

So

here's all

this wisdom.

Here's all this,

you know

previously here's all this

law all these things leading

up and song in history

and songs and

Leading up in

history pointing

towards wisdom

and

God is saying,

you know,

here's all this stuff if you're not,

if if you don't

care, if you're not listening, if

you're not doing

what you know is right, because

even still we're made in

the image of God.

So at least in some

way we have a conscience.

We know that there are things that

are good to do.

Granted, you know, in this time,

they don't have the Holy Spirit, but they
still

have a conscience.

They still know what,

that there are things that are good

to do

and they're still not doing

it.

And so he's like, yeah,

I

gave you

a lot of things

and you're still not doing it.

So I

am kind of gonna laugh at

you, cause not kind of,

I'm definitely going to laugh at you.

Cause it's like,

if I

tell you, you know,

10 minutes before, hey,

you're gonna trip right

there,

or there's, you know,

a place where you can trip right there

and you still don't pay

attention.

It's like,

yeah, I'm gonna laugh at you.

I'm gonna pick you up

afterwards.

It depends, it depends on

the situation.

Like you tell your grandma

like, there's a

thing over there, don't trip on that.

And then she trips on it.

Are you gonna laugh?

I'm not gonna laugh.

I'll be horrified.

It depends on the person.

I guess, depends on how dead you are

inside, but God's not dead.

I mean like,

As Nietzsche so famously

mistakenly

said, God is

not dead.

Oof,

yeah.

And further, he's not

dead inside.

I don't think God would laugh

at grandma falling down.

I mean, if grandma hurt

herself, then yeah, it's

like, okay, that's not good.

I mean, and most grandmas are probably
gonna hurt

themselves.

So that, yeah, that's fair.

Yeah, definitely won't laugh.

That's why he used that.

So, God's got an

impeccable sense of humor.

Yeah.

And he's constantly laughing

at, Well, it's Evil

people that fall.

It's, yeah, it's,

I don't know if it's

necessarily him finding

humor in it

as it's more of

him

laughing because it's

ridiculous.

And it's almost,

it's almost like a, like

a disappointment link.

Yeah.

I'm not mad.

We should do it half break.

We should do it half break where

we dig into

all the times that God laughs.

And we could, yeah.

Let's write that down.

Since we're so humorous.

do Let's that.

Let's go into

26.

Yeah.

So then to

Seth, also son

was born.

He called his name

Enosh.

What do you think the name

Enosh means?

Enosh.

So close to

Enoch.

I want to say it's something related

to that,

but I'm not sure.

So the word

is

Enos

apparently.

Enos.

Yeah.

So I guess it goes

Seth to him

Enos.

What do you mean?

That's the literal

word for

word translation.

Well, I don't know.

That's what it says in here.

I'm sure it's well, actually

it would technically

in the original language

possibly be

said and be omitting

certain

words because English is

different from Hebrew.

I wouldn't know why,

but.

We should definitely have an interlinear

on hand.

What's that?

Interlinear is just it

showing the original language.

Oh yeah.

We can do that.

We could pull

up logos.

We don't have to right now, but

it

means mortal man.

Enosh or Enos is

mortal man.

Doesn't have an H.

Doesn't have an H for you?

No.

So yeah, that is

pretty common in the Bible.

There's certain names

that are spelled different

ways, but they're the

same person.

Mortal man though.

Okay, so the KJV

spells it

Enos.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Okay.

English has changed.

It might be a

translation

of

a

transliteration.

I think that's the right word.

Kind of like baptism.

Baptizo?

Yep.

The word is baptism or

something close.

And so we literally just take

the word

because we don't really know what it means

and we make it

look like it

should sound or

close to it in English.

No.

So maybe

Enos,

pretty close.

Enosh, pretty close.

Who knows?

Same person is the

point.

Anyways, you're saying mortal

man.

Were you saying, Steven?

Tomato, tomorrow.

Yeah.

I say

tomato.

You say tomato.

No.

What was the same?

Hail Mary.

I don't remember.

Oh,

hilarious.

Not hilarious enough to remember though.

I guess not.

So

I'll

say it again.

What do we think about the name of

mortal man?

That's the name of Seth's

son.

So appointed

replacement

and appointed

replacement

names his

son mortal man.

thus beginning

the line of

Seth.

I think

maybe

we

should read the next sentence because

it ties in

to the same timeline.

So at that time,

when he named his

son

Enosh,

people began to call

upon the name of the Lord.

Why were people calling on the

name of the Lord?

Possibly because things were

getting chaotic.

Like

nowadays we

see our country going in

some, or the world going

in some horrible directions.

And so we are calling

on the name of the Lord

louder

than we have in my

entire life.

So it seems

like maybe

Seth is having

Enosh at a time that

the world is

in utter chaos

and is becoming more

and more evil.

And so

he's

in sort of a

moment of

despair

and

he just

calls it as

he sees it.

We're all mortal

now.

We're all going to die.

I mean, I would

more

hang on to

that idea of

Seth is

acknowledging

mortality

rather than

immortality.

Where

possibly

from the line of Cain,

there's this idea

of I

am great

because we

live so long.

And

we

don't know

exactly

when

Cain and Abel

came to

be

and

when

Abel was

murdered and all that different

stuff.

But

we

know that there's an

arrogance

and

just

pride

that is

spouting from there.

And with the

idea of sinful

man having

immortality, we talked

about this when

we talked about

the other

fruit,

the fruit of

life.

It creates

a

sense of like,

I am greater.

I am like God

because

I

can live so long

and nothing,

you feel untouchable.

I mean, we feel that way in

our twenties.

Like people feel

like that

famously

and we don't

live that long

compared to them.

So

just imagine

a person living

hundreds and hundreds of years.

They might

start literally

believing that they will never

die.

Yeah,

honestly.

So yeah, I mean, this

could be

a

time of

humility for Seth

and wanting

to,

because names really

meant something

back then.

Literally and

more

than what the

name meant itself.

And

he

probably wanted his

son to be

humbled

by

saying, you're

a mortal man.

This is what

you are.

You're not

untouchable.

Also, if that's his first son,

first sons have always

held

at

least a

high symbolism

in a

family.

And the

name, his first born

son,

hey, we're all mortal,

is

setting the cultural

tone of his entire

family.

Which if

Seth is the last

son that Adam and

Eve bore,

which I doubt,

then

he's

setting the tone for

the rest

of,

you know, quote, the good line

of Adam and Eve.

Yeah.

I mean,

yeah, I mean,

being

the

new first born of

Adam and Eve gives him

rank and

title to

set at

least a subcultural

tone in

Adam's family.

Yeah.

So huge

move.

Kind of indicates that

he

trusts

God

to

deliver even on

the curses that he promises.

Yeah.

So if God's going to deliver

on the curse, he's

also going to deliver

on

every

other promise,

which is good.

I mean, consequences for our

sins are never

good.

But

with

God, anything is possible.

And he can

turn those

horrible consequences into

good things like

discipline

for

those whom he loves

and also

turn evil

around like he did for

Joseph to be used

for his own purposes to save his

people.

Right.

So a guy can really

do anything

with anything

in a broad sense.

I'm sure there's some things that you
can't do

with, but or I

guess chooses not to do.

Sure.

Or it's not within his character

to do so.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right.

What do you think?

What do you think Seth calling me,

Nash?

Well,

yeah, that's that's what

I said is.

Oh, that was your idea.

Yeah.

Going back to Steven.

Steven, what do you think?

Gosh, I'm so tired today.

Sorry about that.

Well,

might have been an ego

thing.

Maybe not.

It's kind of what I think.

Just making

yourself look better,

maybe.

Like Seth was making himself look

better?

Yeah.

Or other people.

Because Seth called his

son,

uh, mortal.

Yeah.

So how would that be an ego thing?

Um, so

sometimes,

so

it would be in

the fact of

giving,

um, since it means

something so

strongly,

um, it would

be better than

maybe like,

um, someone

else's son's name.

So,

um,

then in turn,

um,

with, if

you take

Seth's son

and someone else's

son

and

they both meet

someone,

um, Seth's son

might be remembered

more just because of his

name.

So do you think, so you're

saying Seth could have names on me,

Nash,

uh, to sort of be a shock,

uh,

to make himself famous?

Yeah.

I mean, there is,

there's a sense

that,

um,

Seth,

so if we're, if we go off of

the idea that he

was more treasured

than

Cain,

he knows

the

tales,

he knows all the different things that

happen around that.

He knows,

he possibly knows about the

line of Cain

up to this

point.

It's been, it's been,

yeah,

it's been 150

years.

Or how long does it say?

130.

130 years.

And at

a run, I mean, in

that time, all

four,

uh, generations

could have

happened in the line of Cain.

And so,

you know, there, there

was a sense of, okay,

look at my brother

and

how things turned out

with that.

And, um, you

know, I'm being treated as

this appointed

replacement.

And because of

that, I have

to perform or I

want to perform to

possibly look better.

Um, I can kind of see

that,

um,

where, you know, the

sinful man comes in

and is like, I

want to look better

to my family and to

everybody.

Um, so he has an

air and he's like, oh great, I have an

air for one.

And two, he's like,

well,

I want to

continue this idea of

better than my brother

looking, um,

doing better, performing better.

Um, I can see

that.

Um, cause I mean, we,

can't, we

can't look

into his heart.

Well, yeah, we can't look into his

heart, but we can't, um,

look at him and just

glorify him

because he is the

appointed replacement.

He isn't, he isn't, we

can't assume he's good.

Well, we can't, we can't,

we can assume his,

his sinfulness,

right.

We can assume that he has

an ego

just

like Adam

and Eve did.

I mean, he, he came from

Adam and Eve

and now

they've had 130

years.

Right.

And they've

bore a son.

Well, their sinfulness has grown.

Yeah.

Time has gone by and,

you know, maybe they have bitterness

in their hearts because

of Abel and because

of Cain and,

um, and still

because of the garden.

And so, you know, if we

take,

I'm,

I love the whole epigenetics

thing.

If we take the whole

epigenetics thing

and, and, and

feed that into this, you

know,

Seth is definitely going to

get that.

He's definitely going to have some
bitterness.

Well, the, pride he's,

he's definitely going to have some sense

of

pride

because if it, if

it went into Cain,

how much more so than

130 years under their

belt into

Seth?

Well, so you're

blaming the sins of, of

the

sons on

the parents.

No, I'm, saying that he

has, he has a higher

capacity to be

so because they've had more

time to be more

sin,

uh,

experience over the 130

years to,

for

their genes to,

to

express

in a more,

more easily sinful

way.

Yeah.

Well, and how long did it take

him to have a son?

Seth?

That's a good point.

Uh, 105 years.

105 years.

So he had 105

years.

He's living in a fallen

world.

Right.

And

he

He has

this son,

right?

And so,

we know

now especially

sin isn't getting

better,

sins are getting

much, much

worse.

I mean, up until

Paul, things

were pretty

freaking awful.

And I mean, in the past, obviously,

we had

the

destruction of,

oof, I can't think of the names.

I was trying to give

myself time.

It's two cities that got destroyed.

I got

Sodom and

Gomorrah.

Yeah, Sodom and Gomorrah.

Then we had the line of kings

and all

those different stuff.

And then we get to Paul and Paul

calls them.

kings line of The and kings.

In kings.

It's crazy how many kings are

bad compared

to good.

Yeah.

And then we get to Paul and he lays

out all these sins

and he says,

and there's more

and

things like this.

Where does Paul say that?

Well, in Romans 1,

he gives a list.

I'm pretty sure in Ephesians, he gives

a list.

I'm pretty sure in

Galatians, he gives a

list.

Okay.

But - I

didn't know what he was talking about.

Are you talking about just like

general sins?

Just general sins.

Okay.

But he's

giving a list and

there's extensive

lists

that he's given.

And he says that there's even

more things.

And these are people, your point is

these are people that are young compared

to these.

Yeah.

This is thousands

of years

before

that.

And so

we look at that and

it's so much

worse.

When there's hundreds and hundreds of

years to live and become

more creative, sinfully.

Yeah.

And who knows?

We don't know the timeline

of Cain and his city,

Enoch,

all the way down to the line

of Lamech

and the

founders of

all those

instruments

and tents

and all that fun stuff.

So that could have been happening

at the same time that Seth

was born and had his

child.

He certainly saw all of

it happen

before he

died.

But there

was

Adam

had Seth

at 130 years.

Yeah.

So that's basically

from

zero.

I know this is not how we

count time right now, but just

for perspective

from

day

zero, this is 130

years on the

timeline.

And then we add

Seth

living

105 years.

So that's

years

before he

father's Enoch.

That could have been enough

time for

Lamech to come

around.

But

certainly

enough

time for Cain to go

and make his

city and

for people to get up to

no good and

to cause

him to

really lean

into the fact that

people are acting

mortal.

But we are immortal.

And every time we get more creative,

sinfully,

we're even more and more or

even more mortal.

You said, oh, like you

realize something.

Well, because if

the date

at Seth

is

3874,

then 130

years before that

is when time would have,

or at least

is

when

Adam and

Eve would have been created.

Okay, let's see the math.

So it would be 4

,000.

And so you said,

what was the, the 3

,000, 3 ,000,

3874,

3 ,800.

And so it'd be

4 ,000

plus

130,

4 ,000, four years.

And then

add,

uh, how many years that

we have, right?

Is that good math?

What?

So it's saying that that's

3874 BC

before Christ.

Yeah.

Should I just add

2026 more

years on top of that?

Yeah.

4 ,036

or 6 ,000,

30 years old.

According to this.

According to this.

Speaking of that,

man, that's tough to believe,

um, with

all the evolution

propaganda that's going on.

Right.

It's very tough to believe.

Um, looking at the bottom

line for, and

let me share the screen here,

uh, for

everybody,

give me a, an UN

momento por favor.

Uno, manito.

All right, there we go.

So,

uh, did

some GPT research,

so take it with a grain of salt.

Um, it's

saying that the

dates like

3874 comes

from a

chronologue.

Chron,

how do you say that?

Chronological.

Chronology.

It says chronology.

It comes from a famous system,

uh, called

ushers chronology,

which is hilarious.

Not our usher.

It's two, two

S's.

He's from the

17th century.

They're derived

from

genealogies in

Genesis chapters 5

and 11.

They're added up year by

year.

And then the most famous is

Usher's chronology.

Creation

is

BC,

literally what we just did.

Could have just looked at this.

Other similar

Bible

-based

systems give slightly

different numbers,

something like 3

,929 BC

or

,761

BC.

So if creation is 4

,000 BC,

then events in Genesis

4, Adam, Eve, Seth

get placed shortly

after,

hence those dates,

like 3874.

Why do those dates vary so

much?

Let's see here.

There's no solid

agreement, apparently.

There's—are we not seeing

this on the live?

Why is that?

Oh, I didn't transition it.

I'm a dummy.

Sorry, guys.

At least I was reading it all.

There we go.

So why these dates vary so

much?

Even with Bible -based approach,

there is no agreements,

different sources

of text

for

the 4 ,000 BC creation.

And then there's the Septuagint, which

is the Greek translation

of the

Masoretic text,

which is about

5 ,500

BC.

These are like the point

of year

zero where creation occurred.

The difference alone

with those

texts are over

1 ,500 years,

obviously.

Some scholars think that

the genealogies might be

skipping generations.

Okay.

Yeah.

Others treat them as

complete timelines.

And I understand

why they think

that

there might be skipped

generations.

The reason for that is

because of the

difference between the

genealogies of

Chapter 5 and Chapter 11.

And so we'll get to that when we get

there.

But there is differences,

and there is reasons why they might

be different

without

putting

into question the

F—is that the

right word?

The um,

what does

modern biblical scholarship

say?

Let's see.

Most modern scholars do

not assign

exact calendar dates

to Genesis 1 through

11 at all.

Instead, they generally

view early Genesis

as

theological slash

literary history—this is

GBT, by the

way—not

intended as precise

chronological timeline.

Final written

form

likely compiled

much later around 400

BC.

Um,

no.

400 BC.

That's definitely

not when Moses was alive

at

all.

That was

when the years

of silence

started.

So there was a

period of time where

God basically

said to the last

prophet

that—I

forget exactly what he said—but

basically he's done

prophesying,

and

I'll

see y 'all when I see y 'all.

I'm badly paraphrasing

that.

But the

end deal was there was 400

years where

the prophets didn't

hear anything from God.

And then Jesus

shows up.

So the fact that

GBT is telling us

that it's around

400 BC is

when Genesis

was written.

No freaking way.

There's no way.

It's on drugs.

Yeah.

And we can dig into that later.

Let's see.

It continues, so from an

academic perspective, Genesis

4 .25 is not dated to a

specific year.

It belongs to

primeval

prehistory

narrative,

not dateable history.

So GBT's point of view

is that of most

people, which

is

Genesis

and the story of

creation is

a story and not

history,

which we know

and believe is

not true.

That it's written

in a

historical,

chronological

way.

The way that it's written for

Hebrew culture,

it's very

clear that it's

history

and not a story.

Why the heck would you put a

genealogy?

That doesn't make any sense.

I mean, that's a dull story.

Yeah.

I'm looking at this genealogy, you know,

like I have

for so long and been

like,

cool.

Also the fact that, oh

man,

that might give us an answer

to why the heck

do we have

verses 25 through

26,

where it immediately

shifts from Lamech and

his stupid

family to

Adam having having

Seth

and

people calling on the name of the Lord.

Like it's such a

massive shift.

If it was a

story, that'd be

a bad way to tell a

story.

Yeah, bad story.

Bad story, F minus.

We don't.

We don't give F minus.

This is not how stories go

in any culture.

So maybe

that's in there

to

prove

that this is

not a story.

And maybe it's

not even there to prove it.

It's just like, that's a matter of

like, this

is

evidence of

itself because it's

itself.

You know a story when you

see it, you know history when

you see it,

you know a

record

when you see

it, because it's

boring.

It's so boring.

It's dry.

It's just factual.

And so far

we've

got facts and

statements,

like someone's writing a report

almost.

Of course it's God's word.

So we find that

fascinating

because there's just so much

behind it.

There's so much implications behind

it.

But I don't know if

you've, have you read public

records,

like

reports

written by police?

No.

Let's say real estate,

real estate warranty

deeds, like the

deed to your house,

mortgage deeds,

nothing like that.

It gets more specific.

Legal.

I've written process.

Written process, what's that?

Like step

-by -step

explanations.

It's drier than that.

It's drier than that.

So let

me.

Well, let's.

So I forget exactly.

Oh, it's called the legal

description for

how

you

describe

what

is the property

and the warranty deed or

whatever deed you have.

You go and read that in your public

records in your local county

and

you'll

be

bored

out of your mind.

Yeah, fall asleep.

But

if you

know how to read it,

it's fascinating.

It's endlessly

fascinating

because, and

I've done this because

no

one knew where the property was.

I had to find a very

specific looking tree

and a very specific

looking place

based on the legal description

in order to be the

cornerstone,

literally, so I

could find the rest of the

property.

Because no one else knew where

that property was.

And so for

that

particular legal

description, all the mumbo

jumbo, it made

sense.

And it was fascinating

because it

led me to the truth of

where that property was.

Yeah,

I mean,

in my understanding

of

legal

language and

just

business

language and just

any language that's

supposed to seem official

and professional,

it's overly

pedantic.

That's corporate speak that you're talking

about, right?

Well, I'm just talking about

anything

that is supposed to be

super official.

What does pedantic mean?

Pedantic is just

like,

it's like

- Unnecessary?

Unnecessary.

It's pretty because they want it to be
pretty?

Yeah,

it's - It's official because they want

it to be official?

Pedantic is kind

of like

being,

treating yourself

higher, I guess.

Like royalty, prim and proper, even

though - Oh, no, I'm sorry.

Pedantic is just,

it's very specific

about how you use your

language

and being

kind of

annoying about it.

It's like me,

I'm pedantic.

I'm quite pedantic.

But,

so let's

finish this out by

talking

officially

about the

last verse.

Well, yes.

I wanna - have We to move

on to - I know, I know.

So pedantic actually,

Stephen's looking up the meaning here,

but I wanna

differentiate.

Legal

descriptions are not

pedantic.

Corporate jingles are

pedantic.

Corporate PR

releases are

pedantic because they're

trying to lose the audience

on purpose.

Legal descriptions,

sorry, God's word,

and legal descriptions,

I'm not gonna compare the two.

They both have a

similarity in the fact

that they sound

utterly complex

and they lose the audience as

well in the same way they

feel pedantic.

But unlike a

pedantic PR release,

they are

imbued with

meaning

if you know

how

to interpret

it.

If you look at

a code base

and you don't know how to read

the code, it's going gonna to look
pedantic.

immediately.

And if you

do know how to read that code,

you're going to

know there's some deep

meaning here and it might take a while

for you to like parse it.

Right.

And understand it.

But also

when it comes

to legal

things or like

what, what you're talking about,

um,

the best communication is clear

communication.

And if you can't, if

not everybody can speak that language,

it's not clear.

No, it is clear.

No.

Yes, no, yes, yes it is.

So legal, uh,

contracts, because not everybody is going

to be able to look at that and be

like, oh, I know what this means,

but not everybody can

communicate well enough

to be able to get the

point across

in

a

sufficient

manner

in a

small enough package.

If they, if they want

to use all those legal

terms,

if they want to, if

they wanted

everybody to understand that

they would be able

to dumb it down.

Hmm.

Maybe there's,

that's a whole rabbit hole because

the system, the legal

system is based off of

those words being used

previously in other cases.

Right.

So you kind of have to stick

to that because there's

a previous

basis for what

those words mean.

Like you,

like in our

culture, words

change constantly in

legal culture.

That can't happen.

Otherwise

there's

no basis for truth.

Right.

But that doesn't,

that doesn't how mean...

So do you update the legal

words

if you,

everybody would have to agree

on changing it.

I don't think that's going to happen.

So I don't think it's,

that's, why we have lawyers

and people that can read

contracts to interpret it

for their clients.

That's why we have GPT,

who knows what those words mean.

That's why we have dictionaries so we can

look up those words.

That's why the people that

can do that are seen

as...

Specialists.

No.

As

what?

As liars

and deceivers.

Because they're the only ones that can

understand it.

And so they

twist it.

People are sinful and they can

twist it.

Yeah.

People assume that they do.

That's, that's why, that's why

it's not

different

basically

from

the corporate

world because

they're

keeping things that way.

Only a specific type

of person

or

people that study it

can truly

understand it.

The classic thing about corporate speak is

they, they write it

so that it cannot be

understood because there's no actual

meaning, but it sounds good

and it's close enough to what

they

want it

to look for.

That's the same effect

as...

No, it's not.

Yes.

It's the same effect to

a person who

doesn't understand.

Both are used in

pretty much the exact

same way.

If your, if your

intent is nefarious.

That's not what I'm saying though.

The Bible's intent is not

nefarious.

I'm not saying that the Bible's intent is

nefarious.

I'm saying that

the legal system, we're talking

about the legal system.

I'm using...

And I'm saying...

The legal system

in

theory...

Legal system is

basically used in the

exact same way.

I'm not talking about

the user.

I'm talking about the tool.

Just like if we're talking

about guns and school

shootings.

Yeah, but the...

We're talking about a gun.

The tool is created

by

the users.

Yeah,

but it's still a tool.

A gun is created by

users too.

You can 3D print a gun,

but the gun is still

just a gun.

It's just a tool.

Right.

But that doesn't...

The tool can be used for neutral

purposes.

That doesn't mean that

over time it hasn't

been...

Manipulated.

Yeah, of course.

But all of creation is tainted.

Exactly.

Yeah.

But my point

stands, even though

the words that we speak

and we know are tainted

by sin,

God got his message across

to us in a very, very, very

specific way

because he's God

and he can

communicate very

complex ideas

in ways that we can

understand.

But it's still

extremely complicated.

And we still need people to help

us interpret it.

Which is the point of this show

is to show

that you don't need to

be a top dog

in the Christian world

to understand

the Bible

in a way

that's effective.

And fascinating.

Yeah.

Sometimes you need to help.

And sometimes

you

need to go beyond

what you can find

online too.

It's pretty rare nowadays,

which thank God.

But in the same way

that God stuffed

his

beautiful

message into the Bible

using flawed

language,

sinful language.

And again, the tool is

not sinful.

It's affected

by sin.

Right.

Legal descriptions

and

legal documents

and code.

They're all also

affected by sin and

and used used by

sinful users users.

for

the means of

sin, but

the

effect is the same,

whether it's used for

evil or for good,

it's a

highly

condensed version

of

information.

It's

compressing

a

giant

swath

of meaning into

a

single sentence or a few

sentences,

and that's what a legal

description does.

It's like maybe

two sentences,

a whole bunch of stuff that makes no

sense to the normal person,

but if you

understand how to

read it, you understand

that there's a deeper meaning,

whereas the corporate speak,

the pedantic

corporate speak that you

were talking about, actually

does not have any

meaning.

It's meant to

be meaningless.

So that's

the difference we're talking about here.

I just realized that

it makes

sense based off of

just those two

cultures,

why people think

that all of

Christianity

is

evil.

Yeah, because the possibility

of the user

interpreting for other

people,

using

their ability to

interpret God's word,

that's what you're talking about.

They can

inject

their own agenda and their

own evil purposes.

No, not even that.

Kind of like the early Catholic text.

They can't understand it.

They don't have the Holy Spirit.

Those who would try to

use it for their own purposes?

No, I'm saying

you

cannot

understand

the word of God without the

Holy Spirit.

Great point.

In which case,

we are kind of like

the lawyers.

We are kind of like

the people

that...

Can understand.

Yeah, whatever.

Because

we're

special in that

sense.

And so

you're reading

it in a certain way and you're reading

things, we're reading things

into it because

we think we have the

Holy Spirit.

And that's why it's so easy

for the cults to start because

it's

like, oh, well, you're

like the cult leader,

you're just like all the other Christians

because they're seeing something that

the rest of us cannot see.

And so we're going to be able to believe

you or we're going to

believe that you believe this

because

at this point,

anybody can believe anything because

we don't have

the Holy Spirit.

So

that's

crazy.

I mean,

it makes sense.

What's nuttier

is

true

Christians led by the Holy Spirit.

They

can

prove most

everything.

There's tons of

literary historical

evidence.

There's a whole bunch of

archeological evidence.

I think recently there

was

an

item that was

dug

up

that proved something - that We have

to move on.

We have to move on.

I have to be wrong?

No, we have to move on.

Okay, we can move on.

Yeah, I mean,

we'll definitely be

talking more about

that

Bible,

what's the

word, interpretation

with

time.

But yeah, maybe

God, we got onto that

topic because maybe God is

using this section

where it's so

separate from verse

in Lamech and all that whole

thing to

point out that this is

history.

It's not just a

story.

And then

the next part, a

genealogy, that's

definitely not a story.

Yeah.

So at the time

people began

to call upon the

name of the Lord.

So

this

section,

like you said, right after

seems out of

place.

We're seeing the

result of

depravity and we're

seeing the result really of

the curses

or yeah, of just

sin entering into the world of

fall

and the world

being

cursed,

working the land and

childbirth and

all that stuff.

And so

there's

a major separation,

possibly for multiple

reasons that we've laid out.

We're probably especially because

it does not seem

as though people are calling

on the name of the Lord.

They were not before

this.

Yeah,

for at

least

years.

When do you think that stopped?

When do you think that stopped?

Stopped?

I mean - Do you think Adam

and Eve stopped?

Do you think Seth stopped?

What I would

say,

what I'm

thinking

is that Cain

is kind of

the basis

for civilization

right now.

Yeah.

Enoch, the city

that he - created,

is the basis for

civilization.

And so Cain

isn't, I wouldn't

imagine, calling on the name of the

Lord.

He just walked away

and is

wandering.

And his,

one of his

descendants

or yeah,

descendants,

Lamech in his

cry,

um, to his,

uh, wives,

he doesn't call him the name of

the Lord.

He doesn't invoke the name of God.

He's just, um,

he's just, um, yeah,

whatever he's doing, what he's

doing.

And so,

and you notice that nothing

is said about

God

after

the talk with

Cain.

And so we've got

four, five,

four generations

of

silence.

And then, you know,

verse 25 comes in

and

Eve

brings his name up

again.

Yeah.

And folks, the name of God again,

finally.

And, you know,

it's 130 years later,

we have Seth

and

then, um,

Enoch comes into the

world and

then the people are calling the

name of the Lord.

So I imagine that there's some,

there's a shift with

Seth because Seth

is,

um, the

appointed replacement.

And so

possibly

he

is

through his

mom,

possibly,

or through his

parents, calling,

um,

calling the world to action,

calling them back to

God.

And Enoch

is when that

actually comes to fruition

possibly.

Yeah.

Um,

and.

Cause that's when

Adam's family

begins to expand again

beyond Cain.

Yeah.

So yeah, a major

shift in, in, in the

world.

Um,

do you think

it's

possible that

it's referring to

Seth's family?

Or do you think

it's talking

about Enoch

and the,

the city they're

actually

beginning to call on,

on the name of the Lord?

I mean, there's no other

city that is

referenced at this

point.

There doesn't need to be.

And there doesn't need to be,

but,

um,

I

mean,

in our limited

understanding,

we kind of, no

one else is named.

Right.

Granted Cain

has

a wife

and

he ends up having

a son.

And so there, there

is some

idea that there

is

other

children

that came

from Adam and Eve,

um,

somewhere.

Um,

and so.

It's hard to believe that they

only had three boys

in the span of 130

years.

Yeah.

Uh,

well, and, so maybe the

boys are the only ones that are

being called.

And so maybe there are

daughters, daughters,

but still like, it's

hard for me to believe because we have

so many kids and so few

years nowadays, but.

I guess not because you look

at the genealogy

in verse or in chapter five

and people wait,

uh, probably

on average, like 120

years before they have a

kid

or

have a baby boy.

Right.

So I don't

know.

It's, it's, hard to say, but if we, if

we go under the assumption

that Enoch

is the first

city and it

is the city in which,

uh,

at least at the very

least when

Seth comes

about

is,

um,

central.

Then Seth is

probably

dwelling

somewhere close to there.

Cause I mean,

there's resources.

There's economy.

Yeah.

There's a lot

of things available

there.

A lot more than anywhere else.

And so

at the very least

he's involved

there.

Uh, and so when

Enoch comes

around a

hundred years,

105 years later,

then,

um,

you know, both of them have to

be somewhat involved

with the city.

Cause again,

you know, these are sinful

men, but if we look

at.

Uh,

Lamex

descendants,

I mean, they're thriving.

They've, they've fathered

great

things, incredible things

that are still around that

are still,

yeah.

They founded these things.

And so this,

this has to be,

the line of Cain is

thriving

in, in, a lot of different

ways.

We've got the first city,

we've got these

foundings.

Um,

and

oddly

enough, like you,

brought up last week, you

know, Lamex has two

wives.

You know, there's, there's some

sense of like

greatness,

um,

prideful and evil greatness,

but

you know,

it's still

happening, it's

still growing.

It's still.

something

better

than

just

being on your own.

And so with that,

perhaps,

yeah,

maybe they are

involved with Enoch and

that's where they

are

calling the people

to call in the name of the Lord,

reminding them of,

because I mean, they still know about

Adam and Eve,

calling them to, hey,

our ancestors,

Adam and Eve, great,

great, great, great

grandparents,

the first people, they

are,

there's still talk of

God,

of the one true God

and turn from

your sinful ways.

Plus the garden is still there.

Yeah, I mean, they

can't go there, but.

I mean,

if they doubt anything,

they can go there and see the angel

with fiery sword.

Sure,

well.

That kind of proves something.

Yeah,

we don't know necessarily.

That is an

interesting thought that maybe

around this

time, they can still

see it from afar,

but.

Well, it depends on how far Cain wandered,

for sure, but they could wander back.

They could take a trip and

like,

I'm sure it's not that hard to

go and see the craziest

thing you could ever see.

Yeah,

and it's

Pangaea too, so it's like,

it's not like we can't get there.

Right,

also I love the fact that

like we're mixing

things that

people

believe from

evolution

into Christian

creationism and

everything.

Well, like.

Because part of evolution is

true.

Yeah.

Like part of like,

what does it say?

What's the clock phrase?

Can be like,

right twice a day or something.

Oh yeah, even a broken

clock can be right twice a day.

Yep, same thing.

Like, yeah, they do

get things right,

but I feel like the

time

is

the worst

assumption.

And that's

based on the

assumption that

evolution

is where

different species

came from

instead of different iterations

of kinds.

Yeah, and if they go off

of,

especially now, if they're going

off of carbon

dating,

the most

ridiculous,

stupid thing

I've ever heard of in my entire

life.

I know someone who

talked

about that.

I'll see if I can get in contact with
them,

bring them on the show.

Or you should do a half read on that.

That'd be so fun.

I mean, just the limited research that
you've

done, like it pisses you

off.

Well, it's like.

It's just nuts.

What I saw was a

video from like

the eighties or

something.

Okay.

Eighties and nineties.

We should look up a more recent

source then.

Well,

but the guy's explaining it and he's

like,

and I'm just like, and

he's giving,

he's giving like

different

tests that have

been done.

And he's saying like,

okay,

you know, they're,

I did this, it didn't work

out.

You know, things didn't line up.

Well, people are still believing it.

And then they did it again,

10 years later, it's like,

didn't work out.

It still doesn't make any sense.

People are still believing it.

People want to believe what they want to

believe.

And just because they're

faced with clear

evidence doesn't mean they're going to
believe

in the evidence.

There's functional beliefs

that work

for people.

And so if that belief

is wrong, it does not

matter.

You have to have a lot of faith to believe

in carpeting.

No, you just have to not care.

You have to not know.

You have to maybe have

a little fear of like,

I'm afraid that if I look it up,

it's gonna,

it's not going to hold up.

So I'm not going to look it up.

Look at it this way.

It's more like,

you know what?

Yes,

maybe those tests didn't work

out.

But think about our

technology.

Maybe we don't have the right

technology to be able

to test it correctly.

Yeah.

And blah, blah, That's what I'm saying.

You saw something from the

80s.

There's 46 years

from then.

Maybe a new,

like better method

has replaced

it.

Well, I doubt it.

Even the method doesn't make any sense

because of it's, because

the app, it's based off the

atmosphere and the atmosphere

changes

all the time.

The atmosphere and

the sun.

It was something different as well.

So we should definitely get

into a half -breed because I feel like

there's a lot more

and we shouldn't be basing our

conclusion off of the 80s video.

But yes, it's the same thing that

I've heard, but people

are going to say we're biased.

So I want to dig

into it because

what

I've

gotten

in trouble in my life

for over and over and over

again is

being

able

and willing to change my

mind.

And not

like, it still

hurts to be wrong.

Like it hurts my ego, don't get me wrong,

but

I'm

willing and able to do it and I

have, And and it gets me into

trouble.

We can get into that later,

but

it's cause other

people aren't willing to change their mind

at all.

Yeah.

Um, most of the time.

So getting back into it

at that time, people began to

call on the name of the

Lord.

Um, I mean, I feel like

we've

hit that horse.

There's not, yeah, there's

not too much more cause I mean,

we've called

back to it

several times with every

point that we've made in

this, but,

um,

I,

what we're going to see

in chapter

five

is

a

redeeming

of

the line of Adam.

Um,

because

originally,

well, because originally

from in the line of

Cain,

we see

Enoch, a

name of Enoch

and a name

Lamech

and

Seth,

the line of Seth is going to

redeem those names, be but going it's
name.

not same the to

I mean, not only

is Seth

born

as an

appointed replacement,

but

he is

replacing the

Cain,

um, he's, he's,

he's his

lineage,

this genealogy

is replacing

the evil

that came from the line of

Cain.

And I mean, the line of Cain

continued.

Yeah.

Um, well, but

it's not, it's not here.

It's a good question

of, uh, did the line of

Cain marry into the,

the family of

Seth, right?

Right.

Well, and they all get wiped out.

Even still, we don't know how many people

there are around this time.

So, and we don't

like, good to estimate that

it'd be interesting

to estimate that.

Yeah.

But keep going, we'll research

that.

Um, but

yeah, this

is,

this is important

and pivotal because like you're

saying, um, for

God's plan to

come about,

it wouldn't be from the line of Cain.

Um, it couldn't be,

it couldn't be.

And, and, uh, especially now it's,

you know, we have Seth now.

Well, I take that back.

It could be, God can use anybody.

Well, yeah, but he's not,

um, we know

the result.

Yeah.

Um, and

you know, if I think if

it was from Cain, I

think the line of Cain,

uh,

ends up

being

a major source

of,

um,

well,

we see in

the new

Testament and, you know,

not being called a son of Cain

or being from the line of

Cain is not,

yeah, you're,

cursed

and

I mean, that carried on

from this

time.

And so

inevitably

they,

that line

probably

was

infamous

and

probably continued

to be sinful

in, in, in, in a, in

a source of

sinfulness.

Um, and

you know,

yeah, definitely infecting

the line of Seth

at some point.

Probably, I mean, you know, we have

thousands of years or

a thousand years or

so in

this genealogy.

So it's like,

we've

got

enough time

for things intermingling.

I mean, you, you lose track at that

point.

Cause it's like, okay.

Yeah.

And I mean, maybe people are good

at keeping track of,

oh, like I know what family you came

from because you're blah, blah,

blah, But I mean, people are

very, they didn't have last

names.

Yeah, but they can, they can know

like based

on your mannerisms alone.

Yeah.

Man.

Well, yeah.

Man, the way that you talk, the way that

you look, the way that you dress,

the direction you came

from, probably the colors

and maybe at this

point.

Um, it's,

I mean,

people are so divisive

nowadays

and,

uh, nationalistic

and

like even in our own nation,

we've got Republicans,

Democrats, even beyond that,

we've got sports

and teams and

people get messed up about that.

No, even though they

shouldn't, I can

tell what team you play

for based out of the way you

dress.

I can tell what, what,

uh, political sands you take

based off of your hair color.

Well, the way that you

present yourself.

Yeah.

Um, yeah, so there's like

different stereotypes

and I know people are going to

get all but heard about

stereotypes.

Like you shouldn't perpetuate those,

but they're there

for a reason.

And yes, they are

useful and

hurtful.

Yeah.

Uh, if you don't use them correctly,

um,

yeah.

The

use

of that is

for, well, maybe

it's not ever used

correctly because

we're arguing, uh,

that you

could tell the

difference and so that

would enable them

to stay separated.

Well, there, there's a sense

of

people

were paying more attention

to those types of

things because,

um,

they didn't have as

many

distractions or as

many of the type of

distraction that we do.

Um, Give me the

concordance, please.

So,

you know, your name

indicated a

lot of things about you, the culture

that you're from,

um,

and,

you know, where you came

from, oh,

you know, and,

and I mean, it was a lot of who is your

father, right?

Yeah.

Um, and what do you do?

And, and, like your title

had a lot to do with

your father.

Mm -hmm.

Um, you know,

it's whatever your

name is, son

of.

Um,

and you would kind of,

at least in my understanding,

you know, you

would share

what your name is.

Oh, speaking of

names,

this is nuts.

Love has a name.

It says,

um,

it says to call upon

the name of the Lord.

Um, and it says,

or call

themselves by the name of the

Lord.

So if it's that,

and then there's a whole bunch

of references as to why that could be

the case, um,

that gives a whole

new dimension to it.

And do you think

Cain's family would call

themselves by the

name of the Lord?

Would they call them like,

you were talking about,

uh,

being distinguished by your, your

family and your father's

name.

So Daniel, son

of my

dad,

right?

I'm not going to dox my dad.

Um,

like that

means

something

to a tight knit

community.

So maybe that indicates

a lower population than

we were originally estimating.

Um,

but there's also head

figures.

Like we all have

head figures, even in

the US, like we know

some of the best.

No, I don't.

The name of the governors,

mayors, um,

uh, president, obviously,

VP, like there's

certain heads

of society that

we know.

And so what we would

say in our culture

is, um,

Daniel, um,

from Arizona,

right?

But instead of saying

from Arizona, I would say like

the governor's name or something.

Sure.

Right.

But I don't know that.

And we don't call ourselves by

that.

So,

well, and even more

specifically, like

I'm Michael

from Peoria

and

the,

in, you know,

the specific region of

Peoria.

And cause,

cause in,

cause you could say, um,

I'm Daniel

from Arizona,

uh, the copper state.

Yeah.

For example.

Yeah.

Right.

And well, and even if

I were to say a specific

region

within wherever I'm at,

like, uh,

like cross streets.

Yeah.

If I say cross street, like if I

said that I'm, I'm from

Mill Ave, like that says

a whole lot more

about me.

Do not dox yourself, sir.

Right.

But Mill Ave is

way out

in

Tempe.

We don't want to

give them any

PII,

personally identifying information.

But that's what this is.

We're talking about PII.

Yeah.

So we just use

different forms of PII

than they did,

but it's all PII.

But, but I'm, I'm saying

that

we will, we

can identify ourselves

with that.

And that says things about

us.

People assume things, people,

people will know things.

That's why first question that people

ask you is, what do you do?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I guess a lot of our identity has

to do with what

we do as a word

for word.

We carry ourselves to what we look like,

how we talk.

Yeah.

And then what we do.

Yeah.

Right.

And so same thing there.

But do

you think the sons of Cain

were

refusing

to call them sons themselves,

sons of Cain and

saying, we're sons of God,

sons of the Lord.

Yeah.

Or do you think that was Seth's line?

We're sons of the Lord.

Um.

I think it's Seth's line

for sure.

Yeah.

I think it definitely would be.

Seth's line.

I don't, I mean, if

Cain is doing it,

it's wrong.

If the line of Cain is doing it,

it's probably.

I don't know if it's wrong.

Well, not wrong.

I mean, like they're

not

faithful.

Because again, we're looking at.

There's many, many, many,

many examples

of God using

the faithless

for

his purposes.

Yeah.

But I'm not, I'm not saying that

they're that

I'm not

saying that they can't believe

in God and they can't be

trying, but I'm

saying that

like, we're

looking at.

Identity.

And their identity is not

wrapped up in God.

Yeah.

They may, they may

identify.

Like a crazy cultural

shift.

Sure.

So maybe individuals,

but not as a society.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So like, yeah,

they Lamech may

identify as

a Christian, as a

follower of

Yahweh.

But

if

you look at his lifestyle

with the two wives,

I mean, I mean, if if

he's the first.

one, he's tainting something

so incredibly sacred,

and that's going to be a

huge red alert

to the rest of

humanity

at that

time.

Yeah, you're not following the one

true God because

that's not what he

did.

People, like we talked about last

time, like David did that,

Solomon did that.

So many so

-called sons of

God did

that, or sons of the Lord.

And it would call into

question.

doesn't It exclude you.

No,

but it calls into question like

what,

who are you actually following?

But also they did not have the Holy

Spirit usually.

And like we

do, so it calls into

question for us

more than them,

because

they don't

have the help that we do

to

change

behaviorally,

right?

But also with us,

people get saved,

they have the Spirit and

yet they believe in horribly

wrong things

still,

and they do horribly wrong things

still.

Until the Holy

Spirit teaches

them or someone in the

church,

hopefully

guided by the Spirit, teaches them

and

convinces them that's wrong,

that that's

not what God is

calling them to,

that that itself is sin

and that that

itself is a lie that

they're believing,

right?

So it doesn't

exclude the fact

that

Lamech could have

been

identifying

as

the

sin,

but also realize the sin of

breaking a promise,

breaking a covenant, right?

What do you do in that situation?

Do you divorce one of them?

Right.

It's a very

sticky situation.

Yeah.

You don't want to get into it in the first

place, but once you're in

it, there's no way

to get out of it without

sinning even more.

Think about that.

You think about that?

In my mind,

it's

a whole lot simpler.

Actually,

just get out of the

situation altogether.

But that causes more sin.

It's so

basically the

relationship is marked by

sexual

immorality.

Not necessarily if they're married.

The sin is that

they...

But it is sexual immorality because

you're being promiscuous because you

have a second wife.

Right.

So there's two covenants.

It's that you're sending in the

fact that two covenants cannot,

should not occur at the same time.

Right.

You should not,

because you're man, you're not

God, you cannot covenant

with more than one person.

Well, think

of it this way.

You didn't care.

You'll have conflicting interests.

Well, you didn't care about

the covenant in the first place.

So that

initial

sin,

if you cared about

the

covenant

in the first place,

you would not

have violated it.

And so...

Does the Bible talk about

to wives that are

married to non -Christians,

you should divorce your husband?

No.

Because you didn't care about them in the
first

place?

No.

But

it's

more the

idea that if you're

going to seek

God,

at some point

you're going

to get away from

that

situation.

Yeah.

If God makes a way, you

don't take it.

I mean, because there

is an

invalidation

of a

sin.

Like just because you get

married to the

same sex doesn't mean

that it is ordained

by God.

You got married, sure,

there's a pastor

there or whatever.

But just because you did it

the right way doesn't mean

that you did it the

right way.

You're talking about homosexual

relationships?

I'm talking about homosexual

relationships.

But it's

also,

okay, we're married.

Technically, granted,

that's not ordained by God.

In the state of the law.

In the state of the law.

But in

terms of

marrying

somebody

wrongly,

the second person,

whatever,

the

best

thing to do would be to

not, or

to unmarry the

second person.

So you're saying since it wasn't

real in the first place,

there's no

divorce

at all.

It's just walking away.

The second marriage

was

not a real marriage.

Okay, I see.

Because it was the taintier.

I agree in the same

way of homosexual marriage.

There's no room for that in the

Bible.

It does not create

marriage for

homosexual use.

If you want to call

marriage that, you're just

perverting the original

meaning of marriage because it was created

by God.

If you want to call

it marriage, cool.

It's up to you.

But when I say marriage, I mean

what God meant.

Yeah.

But what I mean,

like,

if you were to,

if

you were to have

an issue

trying to

figure that out and you're trying to

glorify God, it's

probably better for you

to just just

give

give

all of it up altogether

because

you

don't know which wife

to

keep.

It could be for whatever reason

you're

questioning everything.

So

either

way,

in

your mind, in your heart,

you have chosen - I would

give up the second one.

No good

altogether.

Right.

But if you're questioning,

if you really can't

figure it out

and nobody is

giving you good counsel

on it and it's

just confusing you further and

further,

staying in the situation is not going

to be better.

Okay.

So you're saying that Lamech

is very

unlikely calling

himself a son of the Lord.

Yeah.

So most likely

the state of

Genesis

.25

is

the

family of

Seth

is

calling

on the name of the Lord,

either whatever that

means.

Maybe that means

praying

to him out loud,

praying in

private or whatever,

or maybe it's

calling themselves

sons of

the Lord or a

similar idea.

Right.

So that's where

we leave it

off.

Shall we dive in the

decay or do you guys have

anything else before we do that?

We do not have time for

decay,

but we have time to talk about

maybe what we want decay

to be.

Sure.

Let's do it.

I feel like we've been talking

about a little bit of a decay

with giving

advice to

anybody

nowadays who's a polygamist,

who's become a Christian now and

how to get up.

Very, very

minuscule case.

I'm sure it's going to be very

useful.

Sure.

Well, I mean,

in today's culture, it

is a growing

issue

to

be

promiscuous,

in the sense

that

open

relationships are

commonplace.

Common.

In

a

lot of ways, you

are -

Expected?

Well,

you're

seemingly

trying to commit

to

multiple people.

People will get

married

and

be open

in their

relationship.

They'll start dating other people.

There is a

confusion

that happens in and around

that.

Yeah.

Because once

you become a believer,

look at the Old Testament, it's like,
okay,

but

fathers

of the faith having

concubines,

like, am I really

in

the wrong?

Or it's like, well, okay,

but these aren't exceptions.

The rule hasn't

changed.

They just

probably got

influenced by the line of Cain

somehow.

Man.

In fact, definitely.

You look at Romans 1

and how Paul

is

laying out the

theory, which is no

longer a theory, it's laid out

as fact,

inspired by the

Holy

Spirit,

that a

society crumbles

in

a specific way.

And part of the

specifics include

sexual immorality.

And so

when we

see Lamech marrying two

wives and it's seen as normal,

that's

an indicator to me

that society is

already falling apart.

Well, it's interesting

because we see

two things from the line of Cain,

murder

and

sexual immorality.

But we also, because we

talked about it

last week, or

two weeks ago, we talked

about the

fathering of

these things and

we talked about,

what is it,

the

livestock

and the tents.

And that is

seemingly

insignificant

in the light of

murder and sexual

immorality.

Yeah, it's nothing.

And covenantal destruction.

But

if

we look at

how

tent

making and

keeping livestock is

used in

the future

with

the

Israelites

or with

the Jews.

Just society.

Just society

as a whole.

I mean,

livestock is a huge

part of everything that they

do.

It is everything.

Livestock is the reason we exist today.

I mean,

it's...

All of our meat comes from that.

Yeah.

Well, it's just

everything

because

of

sacrifices.

And That

came from

the Lion of Cain.

And so,

God

uses something

from the Lion of Cain,

this tool.

Well, hold on.

That might not be specifically

from the Lion of Cain, because

we see that

Adam and his

family

are

shepherds.

Like,

wasn't Abel

a

shepherd?

He was.

Until he died?

He looked after sheep.

Yeah.

But this

is

generalized to

livestock.

So this is sheep plus cows

plus

whatever

other things existed

that they

liked eating.

Well, because it says

that he...

Or using for labor.

He

fathered...

He was the father

of those who dwell

in tents and have

livestock, which

means that

he

started

basically

having a tent and

having livestock

beyond just sheep.

So,

sure, Abel was doing

that.

And maybe more

what it is that some people

had different types of

animals, but

this guy is

like, I'm just going to take all

of it.

Here's a system.

Here's how to do all this all

together and be

systematized in it.

Yeah.

That's a word.

But

that's

huge.

And it's from the Lion of

Cain.

And it's, again,

redeemed

by

God

as

something...

Well, that's them acting

out one

of the commands that God gave

all of

mankind.

And just because

there's sin introduced in

the world doesn't mean

we can't act out

the commands that God originally

gave.

Yeah.

Right.

And so it's

interesting.

They're inventing all

kinds of evils, but all kinds

of goods, too.

What lasts?

The goods.

And that's it.

And

the

sorry

thing about

an evil

world being mixed

with all the good things

is we lose

a lot of it.

I'm sure we lost so

much information, so much

knowledge and experience

and know -how

in the flood.

A

single

family built

a

giant boat

in

less

than

years, I want to say.

Something like that, yeah.

That's nuts.

You have to

be

an expert

at so many different

things to be able to do

that with your family.

No.

Are you kidding me?

My dad, my brother and

I

built,

well, it was mostly my dad, but

built an airplane in his

garage.

And we took a long

time off.

He took a long time off.

But it's been in

there for near,

or more than 10 plus

years.

And there was points where

it was just continuous grind,

like work, work, work,

work.

And we had all the tools

available to us.

If we didn't have a tool,

we didn't have to make the tool.

We bought the tool.

Yeah.

Right.

And everything was manufactured

for us.

Like we had rivets, we had

sheets

that were already

rolled.

We didn't have to pound them out and

everything.

We didn't have to fell trees

or anything.

Right.

They had to do all of that.

And they did it in the span of 100

years.

That's nuts.

And then also,

apart from the

Ark,

we have the

pyramids in Egypt.

And people are realizing

that the Egyptians

that we know of

probably didn't

even build the pyramids in the first

place.

They just showed up and were like,

oh, look at these.

I like these.

And there's so

many of them.

Most of them are buried in the

sand,

from what I understand.

And

they've been around

for

all

of known history.

Where did they come from?

It's my personal theory that they

were created before the flood.

And that they're so

sturdy that the

flood didn't

wipe them out.

I could be wrong about that because

the flood also carved

canyons, broke all of

Pangaea into several

pieces.

But for

the will of God.

And so,

I mean,

there's a lot of

mystery wrapped up.

Either way, Noah's

family survived the flood.

His family's descendants

had limited,

like a smaller set of knowledge,

if they created the

pyramids.

With that

subset of knowledge

that was

cultivated

pre -flood.

Imagine what they had pre -flood.

Right?

Like that's

nuts.

I don't know where I was going with that.

But I'm a big nerd when

it comes to flooding Noah

in in the ark.

arc.

Yeah.

I mean,

we're,

uh, ultimately we're talking about

things being passed

down and

the effect that they have

on our culture now.

Oh right, the founders.

Yeah.

And the good that they did

for society as a whole.

Yeah.

Um, where do you think the Library

of Alexandria fits

into

creationism?

In terms of like,

in time?

I have no idea.

I don't know anything

about the Library of

Alexandria.

I'm writing that down.

Um,

let's, Stephen, do you have

any ideas for

educate topic?

No.

Uh, I have an idea, but the,

um,

um,

I researched,

uh, how many people were

alive around the

time of

first 25.

Um,

so

short answer, we don't know.

Right.

Um, anything that we guess

is a guest,

of course.

Um, so let's see

what UBT says, and then I'm going to

actually Google it while we

discuss whatever we think up

there.

Um,

Adam, it says Adam and

Eve had many sons and

daughters in Genesis 5, 4.

Cain already had a wife,

uh, built a city, Genesis

4, 17.

Uh, that implies

more than more people

than just a handful.

Typical estimates,

uh, when you're literally reading

it, uh,

would be

dozens to a few

hundred people.

I seriously doubt it would just

be dozens.

Um,

reasoning is Adam lived

930 years.

People live long

lives.

Rapid population growth is

possible.

Some conservative estimates

say about 50 to

200 people by the time of Seth.

I

don't

think it's that few.

Some more aggressive models could

be hundreds or even

a thousand plus.

Uh, but these are

mathematical models

not stated in the

Bible.

If you apply

population growth math,

map or math,

uh,

let's,

let's see.

So here's the assumptions.

Each couple has many

children common in

ancient contexts, long

lifespans, overlapping

generations.

Um, so with even

the modest growth,

uh, of starting

with two people, a growth

rate of one to 2 % per

year,

very conservative for the high

fertility that they would have seen.

Within a few centuries,

population could reach hundreds

to thousands.

Um, this supports why Cain could

find a wife, build

a city, which

could mean a

small settlement.

Who knows?

Um,

and then

archaeology

says,

uh, let's see.

Oh, this is, uh,

evolutionary archaeology.

So they're saying according

to estimates, tens of

thousands,

um,

people have been around for tens of
thousands

of years already,

uh, which

ain't

true in our opinion.

Uh, so I'm not

going to read that part.

So what do you think?

I mean, again,

uh, the huge

issues that

daughters are

not talked about,

um,

really at all, except for the

daughter of, or sorry, the

sister of two ball Cain,

um,

daughter

of Zilla.

It's the first daughter

mentioned.

Um,

so no reason at all,

no reason that we

know

of.

So is that, is that,

uh,

obviously there are

daughters.

If we're to go based

off of what we

know,

um,

maybe Adam and Eve

had a daughter

or had,

let's say

two or three daughters.

One of them goes with Cain

and

Cain

has

two

or three daughters has one son.

Right.

And then it just

continues from there.

That son goes,

he has children.

He has a

son somewhere.

Then that son gets

with one of

his sisters

or possibly

one of Cain's.

I mean,

I would not imagine

that,

um,

your aunt would

be off limits,

honestly.

Um, and, and

so,

you know,

there is that idea and it just

keeps expanding

from there

and then, you know,

son, sister, son,

sister, son, sister, or

aunt, and, you know,

whatever.

Um,

depending on how

quickly they

are aging,

I mean,

50,

20, 30 years

of age difference.

It's like, eh,

you know, we're living hundreds.

So.

I don't know.

I could see it being around

at this point,

200 people.

Cause you look at, uh, Genesis

five and

the average timeline for

them to have a first son is like

120 years.

Either it's the,

uh, the line of Seth

is very conservative when it

comes to having kids.

Or that's just

what people did

back then.

Like they didn't have kids.

until they were hundreds.

In that case,

at year 130 when Seth was

born,

like it'd be a very

small population.

Well, but you also have to

think of it like they're trying

for an heir because they

want to continue their

life.

So you're saying that there's like

20 daughters

and then a single son is born?

That would be nuts.

There's no way.

We

see

historically,

like especially after this,

sons are very important to

continue the name,

continue the line, to

carry on the

legacy.

It's not carried on

through the women

because women are weak

and powerless,

obviously, because they're not

mentioned.

In general

and especially at this

time.

Yeah.

But

so, I

mean, it wouldn't be

out of the question

because

of where they

stand in society at this

point.

So

I

don't know.

It's really hard to say.

Because,

again,

men are the ones that are

mentioned in the genealogy.

There are women here.

There are.

There's a bunch of them.

But the

only

two that we know of

are

Nama

and Eve

by name.

Nama?

I thought it was Namah.

Namah, whatever.

Tomato, Tamah.

But there's a wife of Cain.

There's a wife of Enoch.

There's a wife of Mahujel.

There's a wife

of

Ada.

Or, sorry.

No, sorry.

There's a wife of Jabal,

Lamech, all these

different women that

exist.

And so

maybe

there's got

to be more

women somewhere,

more children being born

somewhere.

And I mean, we also

have to know that these aren't the

only men that are

mentioned.

Surely there are other men

being born.

They're just not mentioned because they're

not important to

this

storyline.

But it's hard to say.

I found a resource

from

AnswersinGenesis

.org.

The title

is Billions of People in Thousands

of Years.

Christianists are often

asked, how is it possible for

the Earth's population to reach

billions of people if the world

is only

about 6 ,000 years

old and if there were

just two humans in the

beginning?

Here is what

a little bit of

simple arithmetic

shows us titled

1 plus 1 equals

billions.

Let us start in the beginning with

one male and one female.

Now let us assume

that they marry and have

children and that their

children marry and have

children and so on.

And let us assume that the population

doubles every 150

years.

Therefore, after 150

years, there will be four people.

After another 150 years, there will

be eight people.

After another 150,

16, and so on.

It should be noted that This

growth rate is actually

very conservative.

And in reality,

even with disease,

famines, and natural

disasters, the world

population currently

doubles every 40 years

or so.

After 32 doublings, which is

only 4 ,800

years,

the world population would have

reached almost 8 .6

billion.

That's 2 billion more than the current

population of 6

.5 billion people,

which was recorded by the U .S.

Census Bureau in March

1st, 2006.

This simple calculation shows

that starting with Adam

and Eve, and assuming

the conservative growth rate

previously mentioned, the current

population can be

reached well within

6 ,000 years.

Title impacts of the

flood.

We know from the Bible, however,

that's around 2500,

the 2500

BC.

The worldwide flood

reduced the world

population to eight people.

But if we assume that the

population doubles every 150

years, we see again that

starting with only Noah and

his family in

2500 BC,

4 ,500 years is

more than enough time for

the present population to reach

6 .5 billion.

So with this model

that

they're referring

to, that means

GPT

saying there could have been like

dozens to

or so people

could be

accurate.

Because if

they're

accurate, accurate.

be first going I it's not on say So that's
the then

they're thing think to way would chapter
five was

like 80 years, I think

it was.

Okay, 70 years, 65

years, 65.

Yeah.

So 65 at the very

earliest.

So say

they

have, I mean, we know

for sure.

Actually, we don't know when

Cain and Abel were

born.

So if we just say 65

and

we

get to Seth,

like we're probably

not looking at

many people, like like maybe

max,

right?

So that kind of makes

lamex situation

much worse.

Like why?

Why are you marrying two

people?

There's a hundred of us.

Well, that's crazy.

I think

we

gotta finish up here

soon.

But

I

think,

oof,

I lost my train of thought.

Talking

about

the population,

lamex making a lame

choice.

A lame,

lamex.

Yeah,

I don't know.

There's

a

lot of crazy

factors,

but

also,

if we

also have taken consideration,

what was the human mind

like at this point?

Because if you think about Adam,

he wasn't dumb,

right?

And he was just

born as a man.

He was created

as a man.

And so, we have to

wonder what kind of knowledge does he

have?

What kind of things is he

capable of?

And how far does

that transport them?

Because he wasn't like,

there's no way he

would just start it from

smashing rocks

together and,

I don't know what to do.

We

don't

know a lot about the

relationship between him and God

after the fall,

but God gave them clothing.

Clothing was not invented

yet

by

them.

God created clothing.

That's a huge,

huge thing.

And he

did it from animals.

Yeah.

And so,

there's...

It gives a

clear direction to

Adam.

Well, and we look at Abel,

right?

We're within 130

years still, right?

So, Abel is

doing something.

Cain is doing gardening.

He's taking care of crops.

He's systemizing.

That's huge.

What the garden did

automatically.

Yeah, that's

massive.

And Adam, and he

had an idea of

working the ground,

right?

And

we look at

creation as a whole

in the beginning

anyways.

Everything,

I mean, there's already these

trees.

There's already all these animals,

right?

Every animal has been named.

Are you sure?

Must have been a lot of animals.

Well...

They start the process, at least.

Right.

God

told

Adam to name all the

creatures, whatever.

We don't know how many, necessarily.

The point of God doing

that was to show him

that he was missing

his

girl,

his mate.

Yeah.

But a

lot of things

have

started

at

a higher

level,

right?

So, we don't know, necessarily,

what Adam is capable of

and what kind of

knowledge he has and

where

that can go.

And then, what he teaches to

his children.

Obviously, it leads

to

what Cain

and Abel did, which is

also huge.

If we're coming

from

what the evolutionists

say, the Neanderthals

and all that different stuff, having to

discover fire,

I think

the discovery of fire was

a lot simpler.

Probably had a lot to do with

God.

I mean, because within

130 years,

we have the

forging

of metals.

That's crazy.

Well, it requires fire.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

That's absolutely

crazy.

So,

we're

looking at major

advancements.

What would that

say about

children

as well?

And how is that

both the transfer

of that information

and also just

how many children are you

having?

So, in my opinion, if I

was them, I would have as

many children as I possibly could.

Exactly.

So, that there

was enough labor

to go around.

Adam and Eve were commanded

to multiply.

I can't imagine

they weren't

multiplying

as

often

as they could.

But, they talked about

Seth

earlier?

Or do you think

Abel

and

Cain

happened

or 110 years?

I had a thought, actually.

And let's close with this and

we can possibly

talk about this more later.

Okay.

Next one's going to be nuts.

First son.

We've been referring to it this entire

episode.

Genesis five.

Oh, yeah.

That's next episode.

And it's going to be nutty.

It's going to be crazy.

We're inevitably going to be talking

about the same topics.

I don't think we're going to have to All
of this

is

wired

together.

Yeah.

This is the preamble, if you

will.

The preamble.

But,

first

sons, My my

thinking is what

if this

genealogy

and all the sons that

have been named so far,

aside from Cain,

Cain is the second son.

What if all

of this is just the first

son basis?

Because if that's the case,

then there would be a

lot more.

So that means the murder occurred

shortly before

year 130,

which means the city hadn't

been formed yet when Seth

was born as a replacement.

No.

Okay, continue.

No,

because I'm

saying that

Seth

is the replacement for

the first son, right?

We talk about Cain and

his lineage because

it's

important to know

what

became of

the destruction of

his

decisions

and

where it let

down four generations

later.

And then we

have Seth,

the new, the replacement

son for Abel,

right?

And so my

thinking is that

maybe

that

for

simplicity's sake,

they carry on

just the first son

and his

lineage, right?

And then their first

sons, and that

becomes more important

in

this case

to

lead to Noah.

You mean the genealogy?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I agree.

Yeah, yeah.

I thought we were talking about

Seth.

Well, like you, I thought you were

referring to possibly there was

sons between

sons

of Adam, between

the time

of Cain and Abel

and Seth.

Yeah, no, no, no.

Okay.

No, no.

But I'm saying like

after

Seth,

there could be more

sons,

right?

Yeah.

And he could

have more sons and all of his

descendants can have more sons

and whatever.

But we're only seeing the first

because from the first

came,

because then,

wait,

then we get to the first son

of God, right?

Yeah.

Jesus.

Yeah.

So the first sons

are pretty important.

Yeah.

And they always have been in the Bible.

Yeah.

Anyways, we can,

maybe we can talk about, well, we

are going to talk about it because

literally all of

chapter five is first sons.

Yeah.

Maybe that's what the title should be.

First sons.

There we go.

Okay.

The title that I had,

are you ready?

What was it?

Time.

And the parentheses around I'm.

Nice.

Because there is I in time.

Anyways,

we are coming down to

the wire here.

Oh, yeah, we are.

You want to praise that?

I have to, yeah, I have to

leave.

We have a website.

Now we do.

It's ops.

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You'll find it.

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Wait, did you Google it?

Yeah.

Oh.

I just looked it up right in there.

Oh, I was so shocked.

Well, you can type it

into

perfumedk

.com.

And if you're asking me, how's that

spelled?

My answer is yes.

Both.

Yeah.

Why not?

Of course.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that's awesome.

We're still trying to figure

out our system.

We got things set up really quickly

today.

Which I'm really hyped about.

There was some sort of record.

It was like 20 minutes

max.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was pretty good.

And I mean, we still got a little

distracted, but it was good.

It was good.

I was excited.

Things are happening.

We're going places,

making things happen.

Yeah, man.

I'm excited for this.

Yeah.

Episode four comes

out on Wednesday.

The eighth.

Boom.

It's a Wednesday.

But when you hear

this

in

episode form,

that

was a long time ago.

Because we don't have an audience

right now.

But right now you're hearing

this and you're like, yeah, we know you

have a website.

Right now you're hearing this.

Like your Patreon's already here.

Hopefully.

All these things are happening.

But yeah.

Anyway, so hi future self.

Thanks for all the work that you did

to make our

podcast so much better by the time

you actually edited this and

posted it.

So thank you.

Good times.

All right.

Praise up.

Yeah.

I'll praise up.

Cool.

Lord, I thank

you for this opportunity

that you've given to us

to gathering your

name,

to look at your word,

and

to

just

enjoy the opportunity

that we have to

speculate,

to dissect,

and

just

try

to be honest, try to deal

rightly with your word,

with the limited

information that we are

given.

Ultimately, we look at

it with

interest and with

joy

because

there's

truth, there's fact,

there is

wonderful

things that can be

gleaned from

it

that often

we just don't,

when we sit down with your

word, we just, we just just...

we don't

always look for.

And even

if we do,

if we go back, we can

find more and more.

We have so many

resources now

with the technology

that we have

to help us uncover more.

And you,

in your glorious plan,

are feeling more in

the world,

more

resources, more

facts, more

places

for us

to

see

where your hand

has

played

its part,

has been

pivotal in our

history.

And you're revealing it

in your time and not our

own.

So I thank you, Lord,

that we have this

opportunity,

that we have

taken this

moment in our lives

to pursue this.

And I pray that

your hand would

be on it

and that

if it is

your will,

we will continue this

for years to

come, hopefully

to episode 500 so

we can talk about the

rising of the undead

army.

But,

Lord,

your will be done

on

earth as it

is in

heaven.

And we pray that

this is a

sweet aroma

to

you as

a sacrifice.

Because technically we can

be doing other things.

We can be doing so much

more and

spending

our times

in so many

different ways,

but you have put it on

our hearts to do

this.

And so we pray that it is

a worthy sacrifice.

And we pray this

all in your name.

Amen.

All right.

Episode 14.

Thanks for listening, guys.

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