TALESIOSO! Yeah.

Anyways, y 'all ready for this?

I'm ready!

Ladies and gentlemen, greetings and salutations. This is the Perfumed

Decay Podcast. And we are your hosts,

Michael, Daniel, and Steven. This is episode 16. And,

um, yeah. It's probably

the first step into a very different podcast.

A different approach to the podcast. Meaning, like, we have those conversations

about viewing things that we do with the podcast differently. And

so... Before we get into all that spiritual stuff,

um, yesterday was my birthday. Happy birthday!

We got you Simmerals. Unnamed. Salves. Bond of Sin. Yeah. Ha ha ha ha

Two books. They don't sponsor us. Okay, um, I think... How do I get this camera

on me? Over here. Look at me. Is it not... Dangle it, dude. Dangle

it. Here, let me just stop the auto -switching. Auto -switching.

And... transition. There we go. Not like that. Gross.

This shirt from my ma. Nice. It's gonna be my new style.

So... Sorry. There's too much stuff in this. Oh no! Ha ha ha

ha ha. Breaks the table. Everything falls apart.

Classic, uh... Charlie Chaplin, Mr. Bean situation here. Hey, it's what I'm doing,

man. Oh. No! Stephanie's hanging it all off. Cash money, baby.

You broke his hat. It's messed up. You even made it for him. Aw. So cute. Alright.

So... Hey, over here. Steph, why are you looking at his face? Stop looking at his

face. Pashed. Well, he's not even talking. Can I get it to focus on me?

Okay, I'm just gonna use the main camera, actually.

Um... This is kind of weird. So I'm wearing gym shorts. Right? Yeah, you are. With

this flowery kind of thing. And I'm inspired by your, uh...

That, uh... Hawaiian shirt? Yeah, the Hawaiian shirt. Still gotta go to Goodwill and

buy some of those. Because I've got a whole new style that... I'm

pioneering after the gifts that I got. Because I got this one from my mom. And I got

these socks. Yeah. My brother. Nice. And I don't know if the camera can see

it. It doesn't look like it can, but... See, this is a prime spot to switch camera

angles. I need some socks! Nice. There's pizzas. Pizza, pizza.

I wear, uh... Some athletic shoes. Let me turn this off so I can switch it back on.

Um, and so this is my getup now. I'm gonna be wearing a weird,

four -stylish button down. Good gym shorts. Uh, statement socks.

Statement socks? Yeah. Okay. And athletic shoes. Hmm. So I'm like,

partially dressed up? So you're basically the dad of the future. Yeah, dude.

And what's nice about it is like, if I'm getting hot, just start unbuttoning.

Yeah, you can. This is Arizona, dude. We're made of sweat over here. We're made of

sweat. Oh yeah. Yeah, we are. Put this back on before I get a gym. Alright, anyways,

you were talking about... Like, not very important things. Yeah, absolutely.

Can I a have re -track again? I was just saying that this is the first podcast where

we start thinking about things differently. Why is that? Um,

because we realized that we've been thinking about this like a podcast.

But really, this is a ministry. And all that we do is ministry. But we don't know

always he's view viewed it that way. And so, And so, uh... um, this is the first

episode where you start thinking about it differently. Yeah. You should have stopped

me before I did all that. Why was that ministry appropriate?

I mean, technically the thing is, the thing is, is that everything that we do should

be in the direction of ministry. And so, you

know, every ministry is different. We are trying to be approachable. We're we're,

we're really just trying to be ourselves, be our personality, be how we are right

now. And, and, and just live our lives in a

sense on display in front of the camera and when we do the podcast and

just be honest and real. And I mean, ultimately what

that should look like, because it looks that way in the spirit is that we are

growing, we're changing into different people. Podcast is going to do the same

thing. Some point we're going to be a little more refined and different or whatever.

Um, our lives are gonna look different and as our lives look a little more

different, we're gonna act a little more differently. So, so me, get my

30 socks up on the table, showing them off. That's cool. That's ministry.

I mean, you did it. I it's more, it's not like,

it's not like anything goes, but it's not like that was horribly inappropriate and

just your little except dark, but it'd be set. See me. The mic is

not working. Awesome. Don't know why. Anyways.

Great. Um, well, it's not like you knew that things are going really well right now.

Um, well, or what happened in your week? How was the week? My week? Yeah.

My week, um, has been same old, same old. Yeah. Nothing too crazy.

Um, yeah. Did a, uh, a, uh, is this AI or is this not AI little

game show thing with my friend Dios last night? Um, that was pretty fun and I failed

horribly. That was the worst one. That one. the was worst That's great. There's

some, there's some really good ones. What do you mean by really good? Like is

really hard to tell. Yeah. Like, especially like artwork artwork.

Like it's getting really crazy. Yeah. There were some where I was like, okay, that

could be computer generated. That could be AI generated or that could be someone

making it on a computer. Yeah. Yeah. That's fair. Could not tell. Yeah. There are

some that was like, Oh, that's, that could be an artist, like from the

1400s or it could be AI and there was a bunch or, or it could be

like, Oh, that could be like a 1980s, 1990s wackadoodle artwork. Like there were

some that were, that were kind of, not kind of that were definitely abstract. It was

like, like, wow. How do you tell? And like there's tiny,

tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny little details that can give it away. But if you

don't, if you, if you spend a couple minutes looking at it, you're not going to

catch it. Wow. Yeah. It was crazy. Um, but other than that,

yeah. Just a, just a good week. All right, cool. Let's get into it. Sorry

about that guys. Um, let's do it. Little technical difficulties with throwback,

right? You can turn that off. Throwback. Back to when we had technical difficulties

for every episode, every single, I think it was like three or four episodes in a row

or something that was wild. Good times. Great times. Um, also Stephanie dropped her.

I mean, his hat. Yeah. It's cause of the fan. Stupid fan. It's um,

I'm not much of a fan. If I'm being honest, it's going to fall off again.

We can hope we can hope it'll stay. We can hope and pray. So yeah, we got to pray.

Remember that? Yeah. Steven, how was your week? Steven? It's interesting,

I guess for me at least, but, um,

more problems with,

uh, college and stuff. So, but otherwise problems trouble

in paradise. I wouldn't consider college being paradise. Trouble in hell.

Yes. That sounds better. You don't want to talk about it. I mean, I can, if you

really want me to. Hey dude, I mean, I explained it the both of you, but this is the

podcast. They don't, they don't get an unfortunately when they, when you talk to us

outside of the podcast. I don't get to learn about you. Right. And unless you want

to remain private, um, I'm sure the audience wants to know a little bit about you.

So, so give us some details. Why, why is college giving you trouble this, this week?

Uh, so basically I'm just trying to redo my resume and

for getting, um, more applying to jobs, uh, which

is strange because a lot of the things that I've seen

on websites when you applied to jobs online is that resumes

aren't really required anymore. So for some applications, yeah. Uh,

there's still quite a few jobs that require resume. It depends on the kind of job, I

guess. Oh, they require it to be brought in to the interview or

submitted before the interview sometimes. Yeah. But when you're applying, so it

depends. Um, reason I know this is because that's the business I work in. I'm on the

side where we set it up for all those businesses. So in your line of work,

um, what we would call hourly, uh, work

it's, I still think it's common. But you don't think so?

Um, at, oh, I forget where now. Some like small,

uh,

I want to say it's something like fries or something like that, um, could

be like whole foods. Um, but I didn't really have to put a

resume in necessarily at the end of the app, uh, applying part. So

it's interesting. Super weird. Maybe it's a, cause it's fries. I didn't know you

were applying the fries. Yeah. I'm just trying to look for anything. Yeah. Well

yeah. The sooner you can get a full -time job, uh, sooner than four of us now, five.

Who's the fifth? Well, I guess, I thought you weren't on the, you weren't totally

sure about that. If once he gets a job and

sweet, he's up and moving. So cool.

Well, if we talk about him, we should bring him in so he can talk about his own

life, you know, cause I'm, tempted right now to ask, Hey, how's he doing? But let's

not do that right now. You know, okay. Cause wouldn't that be gossip? No, no.

It could easily swing in the gossip. I would say it could swing into

gossip, but if we started talking about like, man, your roommate, he's got the

looks. If, if, if I ask you about your mom and you say she's doing good, how's her,

what, how's her job doing? Highly inappropriate, whatever. You know, that's not

gossip. A little gossip. If I, it might have a bad definition of gossip, but I don't

know. Yeah. You, you, you seem to think that gossip is talking about somebody

at all, but that's not gossip gossip is sharing information that you don't have

any basis on, except that

you heard from someone else. So I heard that Donald Trump is, um, dying his hair and

he's going to do

a

whole thing and join a gang and be awesome. If, unless you hear it from the source,

no, he called me now. I'm just lying. Unless you hear it from the

source, you know, then you don't really know what you're okay. So how's he doing?

Good. You just, yeah, like I said, he's, um, healed up from his surgery.

So he's looking for, I didn't even know that he got the surgery. Yeah. Back surgery.

Right. So he's a up and about, he's not as much pain or no pain at all. Uh, I think

he's still dealing with pain. Okay. Not as much though. Yeah. Okay. That's good.

Yeah. So yeah, he's looking for a job. Yeah. Well, happy for him. Yeah. What's he

looking for? Work. Just anything. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't really

have. Options right now. Yeah. He just needs to

get something. Yeah. Cause, uh, I mean, I, I, he gave me his resume to apply it my

place. So I gave it to my boss. Well, he's same thing with Jordan. Actually. I sent

it to, yeah. Does Jordan know, know what he's signing up for by working with you?

Um, he knows what I'm like, so yeah, he has a pretty good idea. Okay. So he's, his

plan is to avoid you on the factory floor. That's not possible.

No, for the audience. because Cause we talked about this off. the show. Why would it

be so annoying for, uh, for one of your friends to work with you? It wouldn't be

annoying. Why could it be? Because you don't want to be held accountable. Yeah, no,

you're right.

If you don't want to be held accountable, don't work with me. Don't do anything with

me. Actually. Don't break. Good knowing everybody. Um, I'll see you later, but at

work specifically, I'm going to be down your throat in five seconds because I re

I, if I recommended you, I sent your, your resume into my boss. That

all reflects on me. And also I care deeply about my work just in general. And so

if I'm inviting you into that place and you're just gonna

screw off or whatever, you know, obviously there's, there's,

there's space for screwing up and whatever, but at some point, you know,

say, Hey, like you're at that point where you're fine, you can do this job. You've

proven that. So, but I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna have your back. If

you just, you just can't do it. I'm not, I, if you can't do it, then

it's not the job for you and that's fine. That's okay. You know, I'm not going to be

offended if it's not a job for you. You shouldn't be offended because it's not a job

for you and you need to go and find something else. If you're not working hard

enough, then lazy. Yeah. Then I'm going to be on you. Like what on rice? What if

you're, um, well, I guess I was going to say, what if you just don't get it? And in

that case, it's not the job. Yeah. Pretty much part ways. Yeah. No need to be nasty.

It's like obvious. You can't pick it up for some reason. Like not everybody's built

the same way. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Uh, okay. So we got your week.

Yep. We got your week. Was there anything else you wanted to talk about? Um,

basically I'll just say that, um, found out that I'm missing two credits for math.

So that's right. For, uh, to finish out your associates. Yeah. Okay. And, um,

earlier we talked about how you're going for mechanical engineering degree. Are you

still going for that? Yeah. That's the associate. Okay. Are you still planning on

finishing it out? Yeah. So that's good. Last time I asked you, said you didn't want

to. No, I. Just said that. I don't know. Um, when

I'm going to finish it because of the person that teaches the

class. That's right. Um, I thought you were talking about, sorry, audience doesn't

know. Continue.

The professor only teaches the class that I am going to be taking

next in the springtime. So, so it's like 10 months from now. Yeah. But so when you

were talking about that, I thought you were talking about, um, to finish up your

associates and then just be done with it. Cause that was one of the last

conversations we had that you just wanted to finish your associates and just like,

you know, yeah. Walk away. But,

um, oh, you brought up going to other degrees. Yeah. Wink, wink. I'm still doing

mechanical engineering. Wink, wink.

But, but build stuff for zoology department, you know? I'm not sure.

Time will tell, I guess. Yeah. Be cool though. If you could, if that was the

direction you went, what do you think, uh, would be something you would build for

the quote unquote build for the zoology department? I don't know. I've thought

about, um, mainly going to the, uh, the

Odyssey aquarium. Yeah. Trying to do that, but, um, the

only hard part is, is that, um, can't remember correctly. I know I was looking

at it, um, when I was like 16, 17, uh,

they need something as far as like biology and a certain amount of years of

experience. Yeah. How long ago was that? When you check that out?

Um, for what? For a job at, um, the aquarium. Oh

yeah. Zoos are very like the, aquarium, not the

zoo. It's basically, well, it depends. You're saying that they're going to need a

degree in like experience and everything, right? You can't just waltz in and take

care of a hippo. Yeah. I mean, you could try. I think there's a place for people

that have the audacity to try. I mean, that's why there's all these stories about

like, Oh, I started as a janitor. I served it as like nobody

that had nothing. And then I learned and you know, I worked

really, really hard and I whatever and moved my way up in that company. It's more

about, you know, how much do you value just doing the job that you want to

do? And how much are you willing to sacrifice to do that? Do you want to just be a

janitor and then try and work your way up in 20 years or? I mean, that's, that's why

I got the job that I have now, because I was willing to work for a company that

was number one to start up. And so they were paying their people less already. And I

was willing to take like a fraction of what they would pay

for someone in that role that I was applying for. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm one of those

guys where I'm like, I'm here for the job itself, not any of the accolades.

They're nice. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's interesting. Because it's like.

I don't. The one reason why I hate the whole college thing is most of those people,

they go to college and a lot of them aren't going to get a job. Not because they

didn't, they don't care or didn't try or whatever, but a lot of them aren't going to

get a job and then they're going to end up doing whatever. And that's going to end

up doing whatever they wanted to do in the first place. Well, yeah. They're just

going to be doing it with a bachelor's degree. Sure. And or they're going to just.

They just give up because it's too hard to get into whatever. They're not willing.

They want to start up here. But in the real world, you always start down here. Oh,

yeah. And and and that not a lot of people are willing to do that. And it's like,

oh, I have this degree. Why would I take a job where I'm not going to be using that

degree? Well, but that's the thing. It's like. The people that are actually

willing to be humble enough to just be entry level and not be

using what they have right out right out the gate. Those are the people

that should be valued more than the people that because the expectation once you get

out of college is that I'm going to get a job in this field. I'm going to be using

my degree. That's the general expectation. Yeah. And that's that's that's not

necessarily true. I've never I've never. Especially if you haven't planned for that

to happen. Yeah. Or like college is it takes a long time. Yeah. Like four years.

Like, in my opinion, that's packed. Like that's you're busy, busy, busy. Yeah. Some

people can get it done in three years. They're wild. Yeah. I don't know who they

are. They're on Coke. They're what? They're on Coke. We're on drugs. Yeah. Yeah.

Did it fine. No.

But even the five year college experience, like it

doesn't really matter. Like, say, three year in three years, a lot of stuff can

change. Yeah. Right. So is your plan actually still even relevant?

Well, and it's interesting, too, because it's like. There are I don't know, I don't

know, I don't necessarily know how it works, but it's like if you don't get

internships. Going through your course, or if you

aren't like really trying to get in somewhere and

like reaching out to people and saying, hey, you know, I can do this before you even

get out. Then, yeah, you're pretty much set up for failure. And I mean,

to a degree, I feel like colleges should just at the baseline every single time, no

matter what, have some kind of in. But maybe there's a failure sometimes on

like the student and they just don't put in the effort because they think, oh, the

college is going to do everything for me. And I just get to walk in, you know,

the next day after I graduate. And I'm sure there are students like that, but I

don't know if I've met them. Maybe it's just the people that I hang out with aren't

that way. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, but anyways. Yeah. Oh, Stephen,

any thoughts on that? What kind of college are you? I have no problem

working for anything that I need to. I mean, even job

that I have now still fine with working. Yeah. Except I

just wish I wasn't drug along or so. Like what do you

mean by drugs alone? So I so for

when I started doing classes online last year,

I wasn't before that. I wasn't too sure if I would actually be good

at doing online classes because the The last

digital art one that I did did not end up very well.

And, um, I was kicked off of

that class because I didn't show up to the first

class. How do you show up to a digital class? Non -Zoom. Oh, okay. Zoom me, uh,

basically zoom. Um, and I was there and I

emailed the teacher. I even like below, I even kind of did a summary of what she

talked about. And you still got kicked. Uh, well, I got back on because I then had

to go through the school itself. Cause that's what she told me to do is contact the

school then, and then trying to get back in. So I did. And then I got

kicked out again. For trying to get back in. Or this is another time. Yeah, this was

another time. Like later. Um, and she waits from the same class. Yeah. Oh my

gosh, dude. Yeah. It's just like, that's wild. Why I'm showing up. Wait, is it like

an automatic thing? Well, yeah. So you go on to the zoom meeting, you do work.

She basically puts work in a, what they call canvas, uh, classwork and

then, and it's due by the end of the day. So I was doing that.

Um, and then you had to do homework for, uh, depending on

when it was scheduled. So the due date, um, some were bigger projects, so

they would last a full week and somewhere like just two day projects. And I

got, I was getting them done. They were start, uh, when, before I got kicked out the

second time, they were small projects, so I was getting them done, but apparently,

um, I don't know what was going on necessarily, but I

was getting them done and then turned them in and I know I turned them in

cause I sort of, um, cause it said completed over on the right and

submitted, um, and I wasn't getting any great.

So, so, so you got kicked out because of a technical glitch. Probably that's cool.

Messed up. So, um, and then for last

semester of the fall of 2025, I was just like,

Oh, okay, I'll try it. Uh, my classes this semester, I didn't

have very many believe I only had three of them, so I was very

minimal credits compared to like my, yeah, like 11 or 12 credits. I

remember that. You weren't masters. You were definitely less stressed out in that

season. Yeah. Um, but I asked my manager if I could get full time.

Yeah. She said maybe by Christmas we could get you full time. Boy. Um, I forgot

how this, like where this started, started with, uh,

Steven's chain getting yanked. So here it comes full circle. So you call your

manager. Well, I talked to her and, um, she said we could probably get you full

time. Like Christmas. Yeah. And then almost Christmas. I asked her again,

are you sure you're going to be able to get me full time? So yeah, probably by the

start of next year, start next year, a little bit after I asked, so what happened

to getting me full time all next month? We might be able to, because that's the

start of the actual company months. I mean, company year, financial year. Yeah.

Yeah. So next month, still no full time. Hey, at least she's,

it sounds like she might be trying at the very least, but that's frustrating, dude.

That's frustrating, especially. Well, I mean, I can't relate as much as

it must be frustrating for you, but, uh, me and Michael and Michael's roommate. And

now what's his name? Can we talk some names? Just Jordan. Jordan. What's his last

name?

Yeah. So there's a lot of guys that are like waiting on this. So we're all of our,

uh, chains have been linked and are now being yanked. I'm just wondering how

necessary it is for us to, cause if there's four of us already, then I feel like

we'd be fine. I mean, I get to pay the bill for the whole thing. Cause I'm bridge

accolades and stuff, you know? Right. But I'd prefer to carry my own weight. Yeah.

I'd prefer not either.

Well, it's it's it's because I will charge you like

15 % interest.

Oh, nice. That sounds like usery. Oh, right. I know, but

it's just, oh no, no, no, That's just, that's me too. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Oh, funny story though. Yeah. Avonlea was telling us, uh, when we were over

paying out with her, uh, that she would loan her brother, uh, all kinds of money

when she was a kid, she would get an allowance from her parents and so would her

brother, but, uh, he would spend it and she would save it and put it in the stock

market and it would grow and, uh, so she had like thousands of dollars that she was

able to lend to her brother, um, and she, at one point turns to her parents, like,

can I start charging him interest please? And they're like, no, you can't do that.

That's your brother or something like that. Wild that like a nine year old or

however old she was. Yeah, definitely under 13.

Just thinking about charging her brother interest. That's wild. And that's

definitely something my brother would have done. Yeah. Yeah. If I knew about all

that stuff too, I probably would have done the same thing. That's fine. Anyways. Um,

you were saying, uh, why don't we just get a house anyways? Especially if, uh, well,

the risk is that someone who can bankroll it does, and then that

creates a relational really rift, uh, between yeah, pays for the bill.

Pays for the rent when other roommates may not be able to, you

know, and then how is that made up if they can't pay? So that's where it starts

getting risky anyways. I guess if you don't, sorry, I don't deal with

that BS. So, oh, you see you would boot them. You would kick them out. No.

Then what would you do? I'm saying like the five of us can move out. Yeah.

And we can all pitch in. To ensure that Steven can move out with us. Yeah.

And then he can continue looking for a job. Right. And then it's fine. But we

need like practical agreement on like, yeah, we would make what happens. We would

have someone can't make it. We would have an, uh, have an agreement. Okay. Yeah.

We'll discuss this live on the podcast right now. No, I don't.

You're the one that keeps asking questions. I'm just answering it. It's just

interesting to me. All right. I'm not sure if it's interesting to anybody else.

Maybe it's like, instead of our audience asking us

how to live life, they're hearing us live life. Yeah. And they're like, oh, that's a

good idea. Maybe we should do that. And that, that, that. It's the idea that one,

Jordan is just trying to get here. Yeah. As soon as possible. Yeah. Um,

two, we want Steven to live with us. Yeah.

And three, like, I don't, I don't know what all of our obstacles are, but it doesn't

sound like there's a ton of them. And I feel like we can achieve it. It's just a

matter of trying, putting in the work and making it happen. Yeah. I think we're in a

better position to be able to do that. Plus, and audience, this is what you should

care about. Uh, as soon as we move out, we'll be able to put out more and

better top tier quality content. You know? Yeah.

That's what you should care about. And it's not, okay. That spins me into the

conversation of, are we a podcast or are we a ministry? Yes.

Both. Right. We can't, we can't separate the two because we're making a podcast.

That's a ministry. Yeah. How is it a ministry though? It's a ministry in that we're

dedicated, dedicating it to God. So our selves do not matter in that equation,

because if God wants it to happen and we are obedient to him, it'll happen. Yeah.

Um, but it's a podcast and that it still needs to be run well. Still, I mean, we're

Christians, we should be running it better than anybody else. We should be the, at

the top of our, of, of the game. We should be putting in the most amazing content,

uh, technically because, because, uh, non

-believers make incredible content. And non -believing computers

make incredible content and believe in computers. And we have the Holy spirit. So,

but, um, I mean, it takes time obviously, but we'll get there. Yeah. We've

been upgrading. Yeah. I mean, we had like a, almost a whole season where we didn't

have any technical difficulties. Yeah. We should have a sign or like a, you know,

one of those things like this last injury or something. Streams. Shrimp it

down. Dang it.

But yeah, I mean, it's, yeah, we're, we've come a long way and we're, we're really

close to, um, the next milestone. a milestone. So is that

something we can talk about? Or do you want to transition? I would say that we

should transition. I would say a perfect transition is you just touched on if this

is a podcast and a ministry and it's up to God if this is going

to be something that he wants to use. Why don't we ask him? Why don't we

dive into some prayer and dedicate this time and our hearts

and our minds,

hearts, minds, bodies, soul, that whole string of words. You want to take us in?

Sure. Yeah. All right. Dear God, thank

you so much for today. Thank you for Stephen and his

willingness to talk to share

his week with us and for his willingness

to sit in silence listening to people

really thinking about what he's going to say, making sure that it matters, making

sure that it has an impact. God, would you make the rest of us like that in even the

smallest amount of way, smallest way so that we say what you want us to

say, we say what is wise and what is unwise we choose not to say. And if we

do say something that's unwise, God, would you help me

when I'm editing it later to catch that, maybe cut it. But in the face of

authenticity and no cuts, God, would you please help our audience to not hear

that and to just go in one ear out the other

to not influence them at all. And if you want to use the

three of us, God, to influence the world that you've made and the people that you've

chosen to enjoy it, to experience it, I would

be ecstatic. I'd be so grateful. And if that's not your plan, God,

the friends that I've made and the things that we've talked about and the subjects

that you've brought us through, God, the mind -bending, mind -blowing moments

of reading scripture, seeing it in a totally different light

because your Spirit just, you decided to give that to us,

that gift to us. I'm so grateful for that already, God.

Thank you for Michael and his ability to keep us on track. Thank you for the

sort of random and chaotic but logical mind that you've given me, God.

Please help us to be the men that you created us to be using the talents that you

gave to us to do what you will

with the audience that you might give to us one day. God, we praise you. We love

you. And everybody said, Amen. All right. We are in

Genesis chapter five and last episode we

just mark, what are we doing? We did that. We

did the line of Adam genealogy on our own. We

lined up all the lives and deaths and births

and deaths, the life and death person. And we lined

up what we're going to do for the following episodes. And so this is the very

beginning of that. We're starting in verses one through five

and I will read

it for us. Lucky.

This is

the word of the living God. This is the book of generations of Adam. When

God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. Male and female he created them

and he blessed them and named them man when they were created. When Adam had lived

130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness after his image and named him

Seth. The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years and he had other

sons and daughters. Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years and he died.

So this is probably going to be the most,

this is definitely the most dense section of this

chapter in terms of the things that are going on. The first thing

is that says that it's a book. It's right very at the jump. It says, this is the

book, which we just read like one,

four chapters, one sixth of this book, basically the book of Genesis,

the book, no, the book of chapter five, because we let reread five verses,

but it's chapter five. Is the whole thing a book or because like the chapters

aren't like, if you grab the original, like, I don't know if it's a scroll, probably

a scroll, you wouldn't see chapter verse. Right. I wonder, well, I wonder if it's

just, if it's talking about all the genealogies and cause I think

a bunch of the genealogies are just, are separate from

the rest of the chapters, you know what I mean? Cause I'm looking at the next one.

The next one is in chapter 10, which is funny five, 10. That's interesting. And that

that's separate. Um, but then there's 11 and there's a portion in there

versus 10 through 26, where that's well, technically 32, where it's

more genealogies. Um, sorry, I missed a lot of this cause I was setting up. You're

good. Could you repeat some of that for me? I'm just saying like, there are, I think

the genealogies are separate from the rest of the text, the more narrative based

text. So, um, I don't know, maybe those are

included in the book that it's talking about. Oh, you think it's like a single

scroll of all the genealogies. Yeah. Okay. And then, cause then there's 25

another. So this is Abraham's death and his descendants. Then I guess it goes into

the birth of Esau and Jacob. Um, that's chapter 25 and that's, that's separate.

Yeah. That's chapter 25. Interesting. So, yeah, I really think that this

is possibly all of the

genealogies. What I really think we should do, um,

is try and look out and see if there's like this thus concludes the end of the book.

You know what I mean? Uh, while we go for this. Interesting. Or try and see that,

um, we could also look it up. We could look it up. Do we want to like, write these

questions down and save them? Yeah, we can write it down. Um, you got this one.

Yeah. I think it's like, let's make a speculation, I guess. Yeah. Best guess. And

then let's see if we're right.

Look for, was there a direction you were going with that? No, it's just the very

first thing that popped up to you. Yeah. So it's a book of

genealogy of Adam that sort of notes that there was probably a

lot of genealogies. You know what, actually that's not my phone before,

before we go and try and look for the ending of the book.

I want to see what the word is for book in this context, because,

uh, that's important to look at before we go and look for something. Let's uh, let's

see who gets there first. Ah, it's not, it's not a competition, but

if it were, I win. The book noun

common singular constructs, inscription, something written letter scroll

writing. Um, yeah, it's a scroll. Properly writing implication, a book,

pressing document. This could be, could be document. I wonder if it says anything in

other versions. Possibly. Um, could you hand me the

coordinates over there? Giant red book. Oh gosh.

I find every single mention of this word. Well, you don't know how to use it very

well. It took me like a week to learn how to do this.

A week. Yeah. So there's different sections of each verse. Yeah. So

it gives you a verse with all the words and different phrases in that verse. Um,

word rendered book signifies a register account history or any kind of writing.

Okay. And that's what it's literally says. Okay. So I guess it's saying that it's,

and it gives you a whole bunch of references to other places in the Bible that uses

that word in the same way. Genesis 2 4 6 9 10 1. Yep. And then there's,

uh, different places in the Bible that uses that same idea. But not the same

word. I mean, if it, if it, so there's a whole bunch of stuff, this thing is

exhaustive if it, um, signifies a register account or

history or any kind of writing, I guess that kind of narrows it down. a little bit

to where this could just, it could just be this chapter. It could be a single page.

Yeah. I mean, um, I've recorded a whole bunch of stuff, uh, at the county recorder

because I was in real estate and a lot of those were single pages. Yeah. Um, but

just because it's a single page doesn't mean it's any less, uh, official. Yeah.

Right. So let me just say that, is that what you meant by like, instead of saying

book, maybe I say document. Yeah. Um, I guess if this is a scroll,

this could definitely be a scroll. Yeah. I think it was a scroll. Yeah. And if it's

a scroll or stone and that's, that's this version of a book, then

that could be, that can make more sense for it to be a book

for it to be called a book. Right. Um, cause I mean, obviously our minds went

straight to, Oh, like we're like, we literally have a book right here. It's like

that can't contain one page, not even that one page. Fun fact, I'm sure

you guys know this, so take it away if you want, uh, who invented the book as we

know it today with a binding cover pages invented the invented a

book like the, the idea of books, the way that we know them today, instead of

scrolls or writing on, on the like big sheets of either

rock or something like it, I have no idea Christians. Oh, interesting. Christians

invented the book. Hmm. Um, the book that we know today is because of the Bible.

Hmm. Cause it's a, it's a library of books. Yeah. Really what it is. And it was a

library of scrolls. Like a giant portion of this Bible is, were

written in scrolls originally. Um, and I'm sure the new Testament was as well. Um,

and it would be really interesting to dig into exactly if we can find out who

invented, uh, the book. I don't know if anybody would have taken credit for that.

That'd be interesting. Oh, it looks like Steven's interested too. Pulled out the

phone, getting out the Googles. I like it. Um,

that's interesting. Yeah.

I don't know if there's anything to draw from that. I mean, although this is

interesting. Um, that brings up the fact that, uh, even though my version and I

think I've knew King James, um, even though it says, this is the book of the

genealogy of Adam, that word book, the word that we know today as book is

definitely not what was meant back then. Right. Cause this was

all of this was written by Moses. Um, so you didn't have a book, the main modality

in his day was, uh, probably papyrus. Um, I was going to

say stone because I remember a lot of stuff written down in stone. Um, but that was

while they were out away from Egypt. Yeah. But

man, that brings up another point. I wonder when Moses wrote this all down.

Could have been during the 80 years during could have been after it could have been,

it couldn't have been after cause he died before going to the land of Canaan instead

of promised land. Right. Well, he was outside. It could have been before. Yeah.

While he was married, I guess he was married afterwards too, but like during his

exile from Egypt, he could have written this. I mean, he did die, did have that

encounter with God at the fiery bush. Um, what's that? I think that

was during his exile. No, someone else would

have, I don't know. Um, anyways, not the point. There's a, there's

a sense that like these things that get passed

on to someone else to record. Um, so there's, so this could have been

a, a verbal tradition. Yeah. Okay. I think, I mean, to

some degree, because, um, obviously he can't, he couldn't have written his

death.

Um, just wouldn't know when he died. Yeah. So someone else would have kind of like

how I think it was moved. It passed on to Aaron though. Right. A famous author

finishes his own book. Yeah. Um, or when the famous author dies, uh, the estate

chooses someone to finish it for him as best they can based on their previous

works. That makes sense. So not all authored by Moses, mostly authored

by Moses. How do we know that? I just thought about that. Um, cause that I don't

know. Yeah. We just take that as granted Because we're from the church. Yeah. but if

we weren't, well, we wouldn't even know that this was written by Moses. And I think

the approach that we're taking, especially, um, you know, that is,

that is important to acknowledge is that based off of our experience, we've taken it

as gospel. It's an assumption. Moses was, well, it is our assumption,

but there is - Based on someone else's educated research. Yeah. So kind of like,

I am going to tie this in very funny, uh, kind of like the idea of gossip, right?

We don't, we spout that information though we don't know it. We believe it.

We believe it, but we don't know it. And so we'll, we have to be really careful

about how we share that information. Right. Same thing with gossip. It's information

if we present it in a way that is important. And if we - We can transfer beliefs.

Rightly. Yeah. Right. I believe this to be true. Yeah. Um, adding a, I

don't know this for sure. Yeah. But what I believe to be true is this. Yeah. And,

and, also, I mean, we're going straight through this right now and it doesn't say

the very beginning, but it does. Moses wrote it? Yeah, but Moses wrote it. It only

says - does it Where say that? No, I'm saying it doesn't say that, but it's, it does

say who wrote it. Where? God wrote it. Oh, well, yeah. God

created the heavens and the earth. But where does it say that God wrote it? I mean,

it's more, it's more the - That's the insinuation. The insinuation. Yeah. Because

we have faith that this is

God's living word, which we find, um, in the New Testament. Right. So

we, I mean, there, there is, there is a presupposition that we

have when we come into this, but based off what we've gone through so far, we don't

know. And so we have to continue forward. We don't know what? We don't know who

wrote what, who did what and where, what happened. I mean, technically we don't even

know who Moses is right now. He doesn't exist. And, and, and as far as we are in

this book, we don't know Moses isn't here yet. That's fair. That's a fair point. Um,

but we're early days. Yeah. Yeah. But we can, we can infer based off of - What

else we know. What else we know. Cause that's, that's also something that I've been

taught is we need to interpret scripture using scripture. Yeah. And so since

we've all been through the rest of the Bible or the majority of it, what we

know or what we believe to know, um, cause memory is,

uh, I was watching Instagram Reel, uh, the other day and some guy was

explaining, uh, humans. As though they were computer system. Hmm. Hilarious.

Um, and he describes our memory as horrible because it's based on

lossy compression. Okay. Yeah. Uh, I had no idea what that term meant. Um, except,

uh, I was doing a vibe code projects like two days earlier and

it was on compression. Um, and little did I know, little side tangent

here, a little side fact, uh, an MP4 file. Is not a file

in the same way that like a PDF is. Okay. A PDF can be, uh,

compressed way further than a, uh, an MP4

file can be compressed. And the reason for that is because an MP4 file

contains, um, it's basically a folder of

other files. Yeah. Um, whereas the PDF is just a single file. Yeah.

Right. So that kind of blew my mind. I didn't know the MP4 is for basically a com

like a lot of see as a zip file. Yeah. Of like any kind of files. Um,

that's basically an MP4. Yes. That's what it is. It's like an MP4 is a zip of.

A whole bunch of video information that culminates when you, uh, decompress it,

uh, using your, uh, windows media player

or quick time. That's a decompressing tool so that you can see the inside of

the files. Yeah. Mind blowing anyways. Uh, it was talking about compression and I

mentioned lossy compression, lossy compression is when you, um, lose information

during the compression process that you can't get back. Uh, so he's describing human

memory as lossy. Um,

there's all these technical terms that just sound like a, like a four year old came

up with it. Yeah. It's hilarious. I love it, but, uh, that's true. Um, so what we

believe to know, Um, um, because at one point we knew it, but I can't tell you

for sure because I don't have it memorized and my memory uses lossy compression.

There you go. Big word, big hundred dollar word. Y 'all there it is. Um, and, uh,

I'll see you next week. No.

Um, yeah, but yeah, we can use scripture to interpret scripture. That was a wild

tangent. I can't believe I got back. Boom. Uh, let's keep it going

though. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I guess in conclusion, I guess this is really just, it's

saying that this is an account of the generations of Adam, that's another one we

should write down, uh, what's up, uh, who, how do we know Moses, um,

so next sentence, when God created man, he made

him in the likeness of God.

So why does it say that twice? Yeah. Uh, what do you mean twice? This is the second

time the Bible set that same phrase basically. Yeah. And we see that initially.

Well, is it the second time? Okay. So in chapter one, verse 27, so God

created man in his own image, in the image of God, he created him man and female. He

created them. It doesn't say likeness necessarily. It's his image. Yeah. Um, but we

know technically likeness does mean, um,

image or can at least. Well, later on, we

see the tie between likeness and image verse three.

Um, and begot a son named Seth. Uh,

he got him in his own likeness after his image named himself.

Yeah. Right. So likeness can be physical, uh,

appearance. It can be, um, what's the word,

um, just like basing almost or, or be, it can be behavioral,

I guess is what I'm trying to say. And in this case, it's genetic. Yeah. And God

made me the word and the likeness. I wonder what the word is. What is the word? We

need a, a, a, a soundbite. Oh,

you're saying that in his own likeness, um, and after his image

that Seth looks like him. Yeah. Interesting.

So, um, now, um, uh, common feminine, singular,

uh, likeness of, I missed, uh, also a

construct, I don't know what that means, um, in this context, that was, uh,

the word is, uh, the likeness. That's what's been translated here. So it's not just

likeness. It's the likeness. Yeah. Um, it means model shape

or likeness. Yeah. So good translation, I guess. So

it's molding, I guess it's forming, manipulating,

um, shaping into someone. So it's, it's, it's, uh, what's

the word, not multiplication, uh, not repetition. When

you,

um,

when some, when you it's not cloning, it's, it's, it's, it's when you are

trying to procreate. No. When, when you are,

um,

trying to make it like, like make someone like yourself, it is. No, it's mentoring.

It's a specific word. You're, I don't know, but you're, you're basically trying

to make another version of you or someone like you.

No, no.

Anyways, being Michael.

Um, that was mean, um,

actually, no, this is, but this is, I don't apologize. Michael's cool. All right.

This says, um, when he created man, he made him in the likeness

of God. So is that shape, is that a physical form? So the, I mean,

that's when it says, when it says the image, then there is a physical means to that.

Right. Or maybe, um, because it says image. So

that that's where, does it generally declare in verse three, right? No verse one or

chapter one, verse seven. seven. Right. I bet you it's the same word though.

Um, it's, oh gosh, I'm going to butcher the Psalm. Genesis.

No, that's the word Psalm. Psalm. Okay. So definitely saying that wrong. Uh,

statue inscribed column, idle image, figure replica.

Yeah. So different word, same, but very much a

physical connotation. Yeah. Same idea as likeness as well. Cause literally it's

using the word likeness to describe the word image. Yeah. Right. But is, the, is,

are those words, is there any derivative that they, that they connect on?

Yours your source of information does that? I don't have, well, what are you using?

I'm using logos. Oh, okay. Blue letter Bible will tell you what it's derived from

and you can click that. Thank you. Hold up. Um, I mean, I don't think it's

necessary, but I mean, at the very least, we know

that God already made us in his image. Um, so now

this is saying, I guess, specifically likeness, um,

which is less so of a physical term likeness. I mean,

it says model. So the word that's used here, um, 1823, is that the

same word that you had for likeness, the likeness, uh, Strong's

reference. Yeah. It doesn't give me a strong's reference. Okay. This is a likeness

resemblance, similitude. So similarity. There's a sense of

like it is.

Wait, what is the strong's? Uh, 1823. Yeah. The moose. Yeah. Um,

word origin from the word like that's 1819. Dema compare devise,

um, like in intended thought alike compared. So

again, it's, it's more like,

there's a word here that says manner fashion. I think similitude

is, um, just like it is similar made similar.

Mine is giving me, so this is the abridged Brown driver, Briggs, Hebrew, English

lexicon of something, uh, trails off. Um, it says,

uh, likeness, similitude of external appearance.

Uh, number one. Yeah. Similitude external appearance, uh, ad

verbally in likeness of like as compare read compare.

Yeah. Okay. So it's physical then possibly, I guess we would have to look at how

it's being used usage in creative narrative and creation narrative Genesis one 26.

Then God said, let us make man in our image, according to our likeness image to

affirm that humanity uniquely corresponds to God possessing rationality, morality,

interesting that's from. That's topical lexicon definition semantic range.

Um, five, one echoes the truth of every generation while Genesis five, three

records as Seth was born in his own likeness showing that the concept extends

to natural propagation. Adam's nature reproduced in his offspring. Yeah, that's a

really good point. So that means that's, that's tying together for the first time,

biblically, uh, that, that the generations of people that

come after Adam are still from Adam that are still made in God's

image. It doesn't God's image does not end in Adam when he's gone.

Yeah. It continues. So that's a great point. Um, I don't think that was something

that I would have thought of. Uh, cause I, I don't

know, cause I, saw the connection there. Like, uh, it's talking about the likeness

of, of Adam or it's

comparing like, um, how God created us, created Adam and his

image and then how Seth was also in the image of Adam.

And so it's like sort of branching those together. Maybe, yeah, I probably would

have made that connection. I think it's pretty obvious. So it seems to me like this

is, um, let me double check. Uh, the word

man. Okay. I guess technically this could be mankind, but I think,

um, well, this is

Adam,

the same word is used twice. So the way that it kind of

reads, uh, is of the genealogy, the book, this

is that created in the day of Adam, so of man,

right in the likeness of Adam, man. God, um,

him, he made of God.

That's not confusing. So God made him of God, of God. So

in the likeness of, so God made man of God

and okay. That's that

makes sense. It's a weird way to say that, but Adam in the likeness and man, I

guess. So what you were saying there is, uh, the word man

is, is, is, is the same. Yeah. So when we read man or Adam,

it's the same. So maybe it depends on the context,

whether it means like the, the, person Adam or the like

mankind like humanity. Oh, wait a second. Word origin H 20

H one 20. No, this is the same word origin. Also, uh, H one

19 died. Red. What? Yeah. Transliteration Adam to

show blood in the face, flush or turn Rosie. Um,

that's what, that's the origin of love of this word. Adam.

Wait, really? Yeah. Word origin is to be Rosie died. Red. Interesting.

So I, I mean, that almost seems like it's connected to blood or something. Yeah. Um,

okay. I mean, that's, I don't think there's really, there's not a clear conclusion

on this, but that's what you get for digging too deep into the words. Yeah. Well,

I mean, sometimes either way, God made

us in his image. He made us, he made man in his likeness. Um, and then it says in

verse two, male and female, he created them and he blessed them and named them

man. So again, we see that word, Adam, technically, um, in the original language,

um, and named the man when they were created.

Um, so it's interesting because I don't

think, and even looking back, like, it didn't say

that Eve was made in his image

city created man, but I wonder women aren't made in concept. I

wonder if, I wonder, I wonder if that has to do with the

physicality of it. Does God view himself as a man, the

physical appearance of a man. Oh, but then, but then here's, okay. But then, but

then he then pulled woman out of man.

So still in the image of God in some regard, but, uh,

but he's, but woman is derived from created man

rather than created directly from,

I guess, God in a sense.

So is that why Jesus came as a man and not a woman? Although it did say, it

does say male and female, he created them. So, yeah. But, um, say that again. Is

that why, uh, you think Jesus came as a man and not a woman? I mean, I think that's

part of it. Um, but in the natural order

that God created man is over woman. Um, and so if

God were, if Jesus were to come down as a woman, then he technically couldn't be

the head of the church. do mean What you by a natural order? That's, that's how

it is. It says in first Timothy or whatever, that

the husband is over his wife, his head over his wife. So that's what, that's the

distinction I wanted. Yeah. Is it's not every man is over every woman

indiscriminately. No, not indiscriminately, but, even in the church, it is supposed

to be a man that is heading the church, heading the church, not a woman. And, you

know, we just lost a lot of people, One one person.

We had two. If we had two, we lost at least one.

But that's… It's a loaded topic. And that's the thing. That's why God

is referred to as the Father. That's why, you know, it's Him.

We saw that with Lamech and his sons. They fathered

certain… Yeah. Certain ways to do things.

Yeah. Like, they founded things. Yeah. They started things. And so, it's almost like

men… I mean, men are the initiators, right? And it… And just naturally, men are

created to be the initiator. And it's also where… God initiated creation. Yeah. So,

why would He not be man? Yeah. And He created man first. And I mean, women

are… They tend to be the ones who respond to man's initiative. And that's

an attractive thing to see. Well, they're the nurturers of what is

initiated, I would say. Yeah. Yeah. In a way. They're the ones that keep it going.

Yeah. Absolutely. Because I would say if it was purely left up to men…

Right. Some things would get started and… Nothing would And get started. they never

get finished. I mean, talk about the three of us. Like, Steven's

here to make sure nothing falls through the cracks. You're here to make sure that I

stay focused. I've been referred… I've been referred to as a woman on multiple

occasions, so… But here's the thing. But I'm not a woman. These are all

generalities. Yeah. So, in general, men initiate. Can a woman initiate? Absolutely.

Yeah. She's capable of it. Yeah. But she's much better at nurturing. Generally,

women are much better at that. A woman, I guarantee you there's women out there that

are much better at initiating than they are at any other thing

that could be gifted.

Yeah. I mean, we're talking statistical generalities here. Yeah. Right.

Also, we're talking like this is… we live in a sinful world where genetics fall

apart over the course of time. Right. And so, skills and talents

and gifts and likes and wants and desires could have very

easily been tainted, changed. Man, going off a different track

here. Yeah. I think that that's kind of wild. So, is Jesus

made to look like man

or do we look like God? Does that make sense?

Because I've always thought of Jesus as… He looks like man. Yeah. He's fully God,

fully man. But what if… But we're made in the image of God. Right. What if he's

fully God and fully

man, aka

God. Yeah. I'm not saying we're God. Yeah. We just… the

concept that I've always had is Jesus looked like us. Yeah. What if it's the other

way? I mean, I think in simplicity, it is

he looks like us. But if we take the idea that we are made in the image of

God, then we probably… or then technically, he would just

look more like God to some degree. So, when…

Or he would just look like God. Right. And so, I'm going to where it talks about God

walking in the garden, just to make sure I'm not making things up. But

how would you walk in your own creation if you didn't have a body? Right. And if

you were walking and pretending to have a body even, as God,

like, apparently,

he's bipedal. Right? He's got feet.

He's got legs. Right. Maybe we could imagine the rest, but if… He's a hologram.

I mean, am I imagining that… I'm pretty sure

God walks in the garden with them, right? Let's see.

Give me a second. And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in

the cool of the day. And Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the

Lord God among the trees of the garden. And

so Mm -hmm. why So…

would you hide yourself from an all seeing God, all seeing, all knowing, um,

unless you saw God as someone who had eyeballs and you just, by

default, like, Oh, from my perspective, I can only see what my eyeballs point to.

So why else would it be different for God? And they just naively

thought that without thinking, Oh yeah. And he created everything. So why wouldn't

he just know everything and see everything they weren't necessarily taught that they

would have to deduce that right. God is yeah. It makes

sense that he's dwelling physically. Yeah. I say all that to

drive home the point that maybe like at the very least, he's got eyeballs and feet.

Yeah. So if everything else is different, uh, we got eyes that

look like gods and feet that walk like guts. Right. But everything else is sort of

pointing in that same direction that yeah, no, Jesus doesn't look like us. We look

like Jesus, which is wild to me. Yeah. I've never thought about that.

Um, just trying to say, Steven, you ever thought about that? Hmm. Well,

does it blow your mind? No.

What does it take to blow your mind? Steven?

Go to heaven.

You want to see it with your own eyes? Would you be like Thomas want to touch

them too? The holes. I feel like you would do that. I need to see your face.

Well, no. Yeah, that's true. Um, have you, or how often do you think about,

um,

how perfect everything's going to look in heaven? The sun better.

Like you're gonna, your eyes are going to be healed. You're going to be able to see

crispy clear. You're going to see the clear. No, no. You're going to see clearer

than, uh, mud made of, uh, pure beauty, whatever

that means. Um, I think it says some more later in the Bible that God

walked among them. Cause I think just looking back, I think if

it had said that explicitly in these first few chapters that we would've talked

about that, no, I think we missed it at length, uh, where God walks. I mean, it's

literally verse three. Sorry. Chapter three, verse eight. He's got,

um, from the sound of the Lord, God walking in the garden. Okay. And

we were more focused on the fact that narrative, the narrative that was going on,

draw scientific facts from this. This is he's interacting with the ground because

you can hear him. So he's not a hologram. Yeah. Um,

he's got mass to him, to his body. Um, the grass is long enough. Right. And

he calls out. So he's got a voice. Yeah. So mouth,

teeth, lips, tongue, vocal cords, throat, um, whatever else

comes at the end of the throat and everything that holds that too,

right. Unless we're talking about a completely different looking creature. Sure.

Right. Yeah. So it's possible that it could be like, God

doesn't have to look like us. All he has to have is the ability to see feet,

a physical, uh, like body that interacts with the nature that you created

to make that sound, uh, of like crunching leaves as he walks through the garden or

whatever. Um, I don't know what else I missed. Eyeballs, voice, ears. That's it.

Yeah. Ears. Yeah. You need ears. Um, something that I definitely think that we went,

we kind of skipped over a little bit, uh, was chapter two, verse four. These are the

generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created in the day that the

Lord God made the earth and the heavens, um, history. These are the generations.

Mine says history, the history. This is the history of the heavens and the earth.

Interesting. So maybe. But that, goes back to that word study we did. Yeah. Maybe

there's a more of a generality. So if we look at it, this is the back to

first, uh, chapter five, verse one. If we look at it as this is the account of

the history of Adam.

History of mankind. Yeah. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God.

I don't know. I just thought that was necessary. It could be both ways. Yeah. Right.

Technically. So fun way of looking at that. Yeah. But I think we should move on

because we've been in this horse. The next part is, and he blessed them and

named them man when they were created. And he blessed

them, blessed them with what? Because then it says and named them

man. Is that the blessing? No, that can't be. It's gotta be an additional thing.

Is it the blessing like a general, like this is, because

going back, we just got done talking about Cain and his line

and there was no blessing kind of proclaimed there, right? We're about to get into

all the descendants of Seth up to Noah. And

we also see when

Seth is born, right?

Eve says, God has appointed for me another offspring. So that can be seen as a

blessing. So perhaps the blessing here is more tied

to the fact that this is the line. Because I mean, if this is a separate section

from the rest of the book, because it says specifically this is the book or the

account. So it's being singled out in some sense. It being singled out and then what

follows talking about this is a blessing. Because then we get into Noah, right? And

then we kind of see why we're still here.

We gotta remember though this could be in the same set of scrolls originally. Yeah.

Doesn't have to be a different book because we're thinking of books as out of a set

or in a library. But I'm saying it's saying that this is the account because all of

this is an account, right? All of this is a history. That could just be a

transition. Right, and so right, it's transitioning, but it's singling out this

portion because it's, I mean, this is different writing in some sense because it's

just a back and forth of life and death.

But it's singling that out. And then what follows, what

I'm trying to say is this is more of the blessed line whereas Cain's line was not

blessed. Oh, I see what you mean.

No, it says he created them male and female and blessed them and called them

mankind on the day that they were created. So that includes

Cain and his family. Yeah. Right, and this is before the fall.

So do you think the blessing and the call of like being called

mankind, you think that is taken away after the fall or

after certain - Well, that's why I thought is the blessing them being man?

I don't think so.

Because it's clearly something else. Or then maybe a better way of saying is them

being created man. So that's the blessing is that they were created at all.

But then it would have said he created them male and female and blessed them by

calling them mankind. So by and called. So I guess it's safe

to say we have no idea what the blessing is. Got it.

What do you think it would be if you had to guess?

I think in the context of what follows and what

came before, I don't know, I

wouldn't say that the blessing is explicitly saying this is the blessed line.

But I think that could be inferred because

this is the line that we hear

the continuation of. This is where everything really starts up because

we just experienced death before this and just pure

sin practically. So that's the way I

would take it because it is very important that this is God.

This is coming from God's appointed Seth. Yeah, definitely. I mean, you're pulling

that from the previous chapter. I was literally reading as you're saying that.

For God has appointed another seed for me instead of Abel. And what is she referring

to when she says another seed for me?

Well, this is. offspring for me. But, I mean,

really, this is the first sun, which we kind of got back to what we kind of

said before, is this is a replacement first sun, because then we're talking about

first suns through the rest of chapter five, and the importance of having an

heir to your lineage. I think it's more important that

what she's saying echoes what God said to the serpent. I'm trying to

find that here.

Did God curse the serpent first or last? Chapter three?

Because you've done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of

the field. On your belly you shall go, in dust you shall eat all the days of your

life. I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her

offspring. He will bruise your head and you shall bruise his heel. Who is that? Who?

That, right there. Right. That's Jesus. That's Jesus. Yeah. Uh, I will put in, in

yeah, in enmity words. Goodness. Enmity.

Is it all right? Between you and the woman and between your seed and

her seed, capital S. That's Jesus. And then she says, so

she knows, oh, wait a minute. That's a curse for Satan. That's a

blessing for me. Um, that's something that

mankind or man, males cannot

initiate. That's something that only God can initiate. And he's choosing to initiate

that through her, through a woman. So even though we're following the line of men,

God chose women to be, uh, the key players

in the salvation of mankind. Right. Just a little shout out there, but also he said,

um, she said that, uh, she

felt like Abel was that appointed seed that God was talking about.

And then when he died, imagine that just horror

of like, maybe even doubt, like, is God God,

like, what, what's up with this? Like you let Abel die. What about the promise?

Like, are you gonna do that through Cain? Like, I'm confused here.

And then she gets another son and she's like, oh,

it's this seed.

Right. And we got to remember, like, they don't know a ton.

God is teaching them, um, like a parent would. So she's like

echoing word words that she's heard her creator say,

right. Heard her dad say. Sure. Well, to think about it that way.

Um, that is strange. So, yeah. Uh,

God has pointed another seed for, for her through,

through Seth. And so what is the

genealogy? This is the genealogy of Seth, the line of Seth. Right. And

why do we know that it's the line of Seth? Is it says it's the line of Seth? Does it

say it in the first five? Well, it says, this is the, and named him Seth

days of Adam after he fathered Seth. This is the genealogy of Adam though. Yeah.

It's from it's Adam, but it's, this is the line of Seth. How do we know that? Pretty

sure it says it later because Seth is the first son that's named here.

Then why, but God is the father of all things. Why wouldn't it be the line of God

or the line of Adam? Why is it the third? Why is it the line of Seth? Pretty certain

that says that. I mean, it's, it's, it's the line of, of Adam. It says this is,

these are the generations of Adam, but I'm saying it's the line of Seth because.

If you said the line of Adam, it would be include the line of Cain. Instead of Abel.

It's Cain, it's Seth. I mean, and it's not Cain. Cain's not included in this. So I'm

saying it's the line of Seth. I see. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I

think we were reading into that, uh, last episode when we were reading ahead into

chapter six, looking at like the Nephilim, the men of the Lord, mighty men, um,

the daughters of men. Oh yeah. And who's the line of Cain and who's the line of

Seth. So that's where that phrase came from. So I was reading into it. Good thing

to, uh, to check what the Bible says instead of just assume. assuming.

Right. So, yeah, we have no idea what the blessing is.

But when Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered his son in his own likeness after his

image and named himself. Yeah. We kind of talked about that already. Yeah, which we

did. But it's interesting. But I think, so it says likeness after his

image, right? Why does it say it twice, basically? Yeah. Yeah, I feel like likeness

and image are being used differently here.

Image obviously he is the image of his father to some degree and his mother.

But likeness probably more, he's fathering him. So fathered a son

in his own likeness. Similitude, right?

A son wants to be just like dad and the way that he looks, the way that he talks,

the way that he carries himself. So I think this is like pain is yes,

Adam's son in image. He looks

just like him or similar, but he doesn't act like him at

all. He's a murderer and a wanderer. It might be why

it's saying it twice. It almost seems like there's a more of an intentionality

here because we didn't really hear anything about the raising of Abel and Cain,

but it's saying, it's actually saying that Adam fathered a

son in this sense. So the intentionality of fathering your

child rather than, and I mean, this obviously is deep speculation, but that

could make it seem like, oh, maybe he didn't father as well or the same.

I mean, you know, your first children, you don't necessarily father them or you

don't necessarily raise them the same way. No, I think it's just being the

origin. Right. Yeah. Um, my version says begot. So that kind

of calls back to what, like the weird thing that you've said, like I've

gotten that man child, a lot of weird things about that statement, but it

might just be the weird English translation that we're reading. Yeah. Um, because

begot, um, is eerily close to gotten I've gotten.

So instead of saying, I've gotten a child, um, or a man

child, uh, this is probably why she said it this way. Okay. I've begun the man

child. Um, I always took it as have been given. Yeah. Yeah. Have been given a

man child, man, Adam, man equals Adam. We've already talked about that. So this

child looks just like Adam. He's got a little,

little thing between his legs. Just like, just Adam, just like Adam does. So

this is a, I've received from God, a, uh, another little Adam,

right. And then begot. Yeah. I think I like what you said,

Steven it's, it's got a feeling of

receiving instead of being

the, like the origin

of origins, you know, being

God is God, the father, uh, God father, all of creation, all of mankind.

And then Adam begot Seth. Yeah. This is the primitive route.

Um, which literally means to bear, bring forth begets. Um,

so to bear young cause that cause that of plea

positively. There we go. To begets medically to act as midwife specifically to show

lineage. So okay. So yeah, this is more of a physical

literal. This came from me kind of situation. Okay.

Um, so, okay. Which okay. That's interesting. Cause again, we've already

had two children. What were they like? Were they in the image of, were they

in the likeness of Adam? Does it not say it? It doesn't. I mean, we,

we didn't, we didn't read anything that said, I don't remember. A son in his own

likeness after his image and named him Seth. It said, it said that they

bore. What does it say? No, Adam knew his wife and she conceived and bore Cain and

said, I've acquired a man from the Lord. Uh, then she bore again this time, his

brother Abel. Now Abel was a, just goes into the story. So yeah, it doesn't talk

about Adam fathering. Yeah. talking So again, about so Eve. So again, there's this.

intentionality of,

this is different, things are different this time. And whether that's, I mean,

and that's why I went directly to behavioral and actually intentionally

fathering, rather than more the physical,

or purely the physical. I think to some degree there is a place for both of those.

Interesting. But it's just weird that it's

so different from the first children, Abel and Cain and

Abel. And I mean, it says it from here on out pretty much,

that every child after, you know, he fathered.

Or begot. It says the same thing about Cain's family though. Yeah. Starts with Cain

knowing his wife. But it doesn't say that for Cain and Abel to be fathered. It says

that they were conceived, but it doesn't say that they were - Conceived and bore. I

think bore is begot. Well, I guess. So Adam's part of the process. No duh.

Now Adam knew Eve, his wife, and she conceived and bore

Cain. Begot. Begot. 2029,

which is hurrah. That's hilarious. And 3205, oh, which is the Aladdin. Yep. Okay.

So they're about the same or same? So bore is the same. As begot. As begot.

As is fathered. Okay. It's funny, so you said - We need a, like, one in just

a full, like physical interlinear. Good luck. That'd be intense. Yeah.

Be bigger than that book right there. Actually, no. No? There are interlinears. I'm

sure there are. We're talking about size though, not, is it possible? We're talking

about size, not is it possible? That book is a book, like a big book. Yeah. The

lettering is teeny tiny. Yeah, I'm pretty sure the ones that I've seen are, like the

text is really small. Okay, but it's still smaller than that. Interesting. Yeah.

I've definitely seen one that's, yeah. But no, that's important. And so,

I mean, these are the moments where - Size is important. Funny. No, I'm saying that

these are the moments where, cause we can come

up with these things that we think make sense, and,

but we don't necessarily know. We could be reading too much into it. Yeah, and

that's where it's important to - Check yourself. Actually check yourself. Check

your interlinear.

And - What is an interlinear? Where do you find one? Online, I don't know where you

find a physical company. You said a blue letter Bible? Yeah, blue letter Bible. an

app It's on your phone, right? I think Logos is a popular one. Yeah, it's kind of

hard to get to it though. Why? I mean, I've been using Logos forever now. Oh,

it's a special tool. I just found how to even get to the Strong's book.

Yeah, it's a whole language. You have to actually learn to use it. It's a lot. So

don't worry about even like going that direction, I would say. You can also

do gateway Bible. Gateway Bible has a interlinear on there. It's a little more

simplistic than blue letter because you can't necessarily click on the words, but.

Yeah, a better way to do this is, I mean, speculation is fun. I'd say

speculate all you want, but make sure that you have, you check yourself before you

wreck yourself. And there's a lot of people that have checked you and a good source

is gotquestions .org.

There's a lot of weird questions on that site

and they'll give you a well thought

out answer to that. But if you

can't find an answer or a satisfactory answer or you still got questions,

go to your local church, local Christian Protestant church

and go on a Monday or something. Not a Monday. They'll probably take that. You can

call them, call their office, say, hey, can I have a meeting with one of your

elders? One of Or teachers. your just walk in. Or you can just walk in. I've heard

so many stories of just people walking in and flopping a Bible open on the

table. Hey, what does this mean? And just talking with the head pastor or

anybody who pastors there, preaches there. But you might want to call or email first

if if you actually want to catch specific people. You never know. To be sure. Yeah.

I'm just saying, don't hesitate. If you really want to know, you could drive to

several churches and find someone, I'm sure.

But there also is a sense of, if we really, we've already done in this

episode already, we've written down things that we want to talk about, things that

we want to address, things that we want to keep track of. Look into. And especially

if you're going to read through the entire Bible all the way through, if you already

have that goal, what the heck are you? Spider. He was blue. What? A blue spider.

No, it was a fly. Oh, gross. Anyways.

But find it on your own. Spider? No. Find the

answer on your own. Sorry, I got sidetracked.

Because really we should be, we have short attention spans. This is

a big book. Not really. People read much thicker books on the regular.

And they - aren't to Well, willing it's a big book and there's a lot of meaning. But

I'm saying - The comprehension skills have to - be In terms of actual size, it's not

that big of a book. But yes, you're right. But it's also where

we're meant to be

searching the word of God, not necessarily going

to other places. We want to have answers right now. And

especially now I can just go on my phone and look it up immediately instead of

searching scripture. And I mean, there is a place for that,

but there's also - It's a place that

you could easily get lost in. And that's a problem. Where?

Right. Well, I think the point you're going down is like, don't just put the Bible

down once you have a single question. And don't stop pursuing, like driving around

different churches or like Googling stuff until you find your answer. Like

catalog the question. And keep going.

Yeah. Cause, and you're not always going to find the answers, which means it's not

pertinent. It's not the thing that you need to be focusing on.

That was a close one. We almost jinxed there. Nice. You can cut yourself. Oh, that's

interesting. You're welcome, Steven. We have Steven writing down every time we jinx,

he's going to put together a compilation. I'm sure he is definitely doing that. He

said he would. Yeah. Ever since then, he's been shaking his head. Like he's not. So

maybe he's doing it in his free time. He goes home and he's like, Michael and

Daniel.

Jinxing again.

I'll read the rest of this, I guess. And then I think we can be done with this

section. Yeah.

The days of Adam, after he fathered Seth were 800 years and he had other sons and

daughters. Well, all the days that Adam lived were 930 and he

died. That's wild. And thus will be the same pattern that we see throughout the rest

of this chapter. Pretty much. Until 25, I think. Yeah, we've

got slight variation. Yeah.

It's still crazy to me that we read

all these people living for hundreds of years. Yeah. And we just gloss over it.

Yeah. Like it's nothing. It's so easy. Well, especially when, cause there's a

traditional sense. Tradition feels boring, right? And so when you grow up in the

church and it feels like, oh yeah, like every time this is red, this is just how it

goes kind of thing. And then, you know, when you actually sit down and you're

consuming it on your own or with like, you're intentionally consuming it with other

people. Like you sit down and you're like, wait a minute, how many years?

Yeah. Say that again? That's a lot. Yeah. It's crazy. And something that stood out

to me as well as a lot of these people, including Adam, only had three sons

in the course of 130 years. What? Three sons? Three sons, Cain,

Abel. Oh, sure. And then Seth. Yeah, yeah. 130 years. Yeah.

What are they doing? I mean, you know, maybe the way I would kind of look at that if

that is actually how it went down, which - What the Bible says. The lack of, I

mean, it could be just - omitted details because the focus

here is this is where certain things are

fathered, right? So, I mean. So there could have been other sons. Every, no, one,

I'm saying one through five, if you wanna look at it this way, is

the fathering of the rest of time, the rest of humanity, the rest of

everything. We read in chapter two, verse four, these are the generations of the

heavens and the earth when they were created in the day that the Lord God made earth

and the heavens, right? That's the end of the creation account

leading into chapter two where we see more of a focus on

man, right? And so there's certain focuses in each chapter and the focus that

we see in chapter four is what? The depravity of man going

further, right? And then we see the blessed line or the

line. That must be the best. That replaces Abel in a sense. That's where I was going

with the blessing thing. Yeah. The blessing is God's blessing in the cursing

of Satan. It's like mankind is blessed because God is

planning on rescuing us. Yeah. Through the line of Seth. Yeah. Oh,

gotcha. Yeah. I just got into the side fact part. Yeah, I yeah. like that. But

yeah, it's quite obviously, this is the origin

story, right? But this, I think this is kind of where the

origin story kind of ends, right? Because

a thousand and what? A thousand and 656 years

and then restart, right? Hard reset. Hard reset. We got Noah.

Okay, let's try this again. Oh, he's naked in a tent drunk.

All right. But even still, this is where

everything literally started.

And so the very specific things that are named, right? We have creation

of the planet, creation of man, how man and woman started, right? The fall literally

right after man. And then we have their children, right?

So how things went right after the fall, we have their children, their offspring.

And there are certain things that it's just, I mean, it's a lot of just narrative

there, right? It's not this, the descendants, it's not, this is how

things like, this is how Adam and Eve interacted with their children. It's no, we go

straight to how the children interact with each other and what that results in

into. And then we see the line of Cain and then like we don't care about Cain.

And then it gets into, okay, we have to lead our way back. We

see all the depravity. Well, it's really important now that we say at the very end

of chapter four, at that time God, or people began to call upon the name of the

Lord, right? Then there's a blessing, right? He blesses them and named them man. And

then we get to Noah, right? There's so much depravity that God is

going to send a flood. It's so awful. And then we see Noah. Wait a minute,

going back to end of verse four, didn't we do some math on this last episode?

So this is talking about mankind calling out to the Lord after Seth had his first

son. When was that? It was 105 years after he was born,

right? So that's - Right, year 235. 235. Was that significant? I can't remember.

Oh, wait, no. Yeah, it's 235. Cause Adam - No, that's when he had Enosh. Yeah.

The year 130 is when Seth was born. 235 could be... No, okay.

Yeah, what I was thinking last time still isn't right. I was thinking like, maybe

they were calling on the name of the Lord because times were getting wild.

Like, come and save us, Lord. Right? But we're nowhere near at year 235. We're

nowhere near year 1665? 1656. 1656.

Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy that we can get pretty precise on that number, by the way.

Yeah. I like that.

Anyways, all that to say, this is a very quick telling,

right? But But there are very specific - points that need to be made. And so

obviously this isn't exhaustive. We're not getting the whole thing. So there could

be technically other people being, other, yeah, other people

being born, other sons and daughters, but - Other sons and daughters. They're being

omitted because that's not the point of the text that we need to be consuming. I

don't think that's a very safe path to go down. Because if you

say that, what is there to, what's the

difference between saying that or saying

a day in creation was representative of

hundreds of millions of years or something? That doesn't make any sense. I just

said that it is omitted because that's not the

point. That doesn't matter. Oh, so it's a translation difference. No, I'm saying it.

That's so - God is trying to say, I created the world. I created man.

Sin came into the world. Here's the result of sin based off of sin entering

man. And now here's where everything begins through Seth. I'm going to start this

line. Wouldn't that be sort of deceptive though, because that would be doctoring the

story.

It's like a - No, because in that case, then he would have to share every single

detail with us. But he doesn't because it lines up perfectly. Because he doesn't

need to. He doesn't need to because it lines up perfectly. And he doesn't need to

tell a story. He just tells how it happened. He tells the most important

parts of the story that need to be shared. That's what I'm saying. So he's omitting

that there could be other children or could be other details or could be whatever

else because that doesn't need to be shared. But here's what I'm hearing you say is,

could there have been sons before that were born between

Abel and Seth, being the second and third child? I

guess I'm more saying daughters than sons. Okay.

I'm not saying others. Because the Bible says literally this is the third son. Um,

yes. If you needed to say the word literally. Sorry, I was using

the term children. There could have been other children. You said sons and

daughters. And then I started using the term children. I'm glad we clarified that

because - Yeah, it wouldn't make any sense if it was sons. Yes, I agree. Okay. I

mean, if you need the Bible to say, this part's literal, by the way, then you

can really start doing whatever you want with it.

Yeah. But I know I'm saying like there could have been other children technically.

So what were they doing in that time of 130 years and only having three sons, maybe

having 10 other daughters. Right. That happens. Yeah. And that's a lot of work.

Yeah. I mean, you got to educate them. I mean, you're starting from scratch,

literally. You can't just send them to school. So maybe that's why they had so few

children. Cause they're like, oh, not another one.

Yeah. We built a whole school and like a farm and we had to build

this brat, his own house, his own farm, and now

he's having kids. Oh my gosh. We've got to deal with all of that. And talk about

family curse, like our second son got killed by the first son and

he's just gone. So maybe it's like trauma

as well.

So like we're not having any more kids. They're just going to kill each other. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. But it's also like, they're starting from scratch. So every single kid

is a pain. So I'm sure Adam's like, yo, hey, Eve, you remember

that whole curse that God said about like, you'll eat from the sweat of your brow.

Like that's real. And I think we should use

protection and try not to have any more kids. Cool. Cool. Thanks. I

like sleeping too.

Not that I get a chance cause we got like 15 kids. Yeah. Ugh.

But anyways, that's. That's that. That's that. That's the first portion.

Nice dude. Do we have anything we can

think of for or this it's cape? I want to. to look up the answers to those questions

we wrote down in the meantime, we could talk about whatever. Okay. Um, Stephen,

was there anything that, uh, you thought we missed

or any curiosity, any, any strange yaw city, strange

question? Nope. Uh, I just have the, uh, answer to all, I guess it's not really an

answer. Uh, it's kind of an answer to the book question. Okay. Yeah. I want to hear

that. Um, so who invented books? Who was it? Doesn't say ever say

that it's invented by one singular person. Okay. But that

the idea came from Christians in the Roman empire. So early, early.

Yeah. Cause they sit around first to fourth century,

80. First to fourth. Yeah. Okay. Did the Christian, I guess Christians, not

all the Christians left Rome or AK Jerusalem, I guess

Jerusalem was part of Rome. I'm not brushing up on that history. I can tell you

there. Yeah. I was, well, I'm thinking of, uh, in 70 AD Jerusalem was, um,

basically destroyed. Um, so I was thinking the idea of books would have had to be

created before that. Yeah. If it was in the Roman empire, you know, it'd be

interesting if we did a whole thing on Rome.

Nah, no, I'm not a huge fan. It's pretty

important in the history of Christianity. I'd really do a dive on like Christianity.

Right. But you can't talk about Christianity without Rome. With everyone, without

Rome, without Rome. Yeah. Cause I mean, Rome played a huge part. What is it?

Augustine kind of a big part of church history. Wait, Augustine,

the emperor. Yeah. Okay. Not the same. That's a Augustine

think. Was he saying Augustine? Pretty sure he is seriously. That's the way I

understand it. I mean, again, we don't, what, what do we know? I don't know. So

that'd be, that'd be fun. Like we do a bunch of research and see how Rome

influenced Christianity and why that's kind of important. Where should we

start? No idea. That'd be a whole special series. That'd be cool. Yeah. I think that

would be a not main feed thing though. Yeah. Ooh, overarching

perfume decay. So we've been talking about audience. We've been talking about a

structure of the show. Can I talk about this off on no idea what you're about to say

seasons. Oh, sure. So we've been talking about doing an on season off season kind of

structure where we do one season and then we take a month off or so

to do other things like creating

other content or

making the show itself better. Um, like

moving the studio or upgrading the studio in some ways. Um, we're just resting and

just not valid, not doing this. Yeah. Uh, recharging. Yeah.

Um, so we could do that during one of those times in the future. Yeah. Yes.

I just thought it'd be an interesting idea. Um, so what else, Stephen? Um, well, me

and my cousin kind of joked about this, um, long time ago, um,

about how heaven would look, um, uh, certainly, um, and we kind of got

onto the concept of since heaven is always depicted being up in the clouds, uh,

that, what do you think fog would be up in heaven, just another cloud rolling

through. Yeah. It would just be a, um, a lighter,

more see -through cloud. Yeah. And then

dust would just be a wispy cloud. Ridiculous. This is, this is devolving.

So we can't do anything with this. There was nothing, no substance whatsoever.

That was, it was just paper. So heaven being depicted as in the clouds.

Uh,

main reason is because Jesus flew up into the clouds. Yeah. Right. He ascended into

the, into the heavens, into the clouds, come down out of the clouds, right? And so

that's probably where that comes from that idea, but also

revelations talks about heaven or the new Jerusalem being like a

cube. That's Uh, a suspended. suspended midair, I'm sure surrounded by clouds,

uh, above Jerusalem where it is today, um, or where it

was, I don't know, above Jerusalem, wherever it's going to be. So, uh,

heaven could be yes in the clouds, but also the best

version of Minecraft ever.

And yes, that was a setup. Man, that's crazy.

So you're, what I just heard is that all of creation is just Minecraft. God

is in filling generating the universe. He started with this planet.

God AKA Java.

Did we already make that joke? I don't think so. Uh, we did. We definitely made a

joke like that. Oh no. Pretty early on. We're looping. It's so funny. Oh my

goodness. That whole depiction of heaven, those kind of crazy, um, cause there's no

indication that it's figurative besides all the other things around it. But,

um, you, I've done a little bit of research around that, uh, thing is

huge. Um, and think of a building that size, uh, like how

much square footage, how many houses, how many, uh, mansions that Jesus is making

for us right now as we speak, um, could fit into that giant cube. Um, a lot

is the answer a lot, a lot. And I think someone did the math

certainly over millions. Yeah.

I'd be curious to look it up though. Should we start looking stuff up? What are you

looking at? Well, answer to that first. I'd say, yeah, I'm doing it.

Okay. Sorry. I'm taking this. Um, so is that where we're going to talk about? I

don't know. We can talk about whatever we want. This is the case. That's true. We

still need a topic though. You say all else. That's true.

But I, I, didn't like crazy until we find something that interests us. Right. Yeah.

That, uh, okay. What do you want to talk about them? I, I it's more, so

usually what we do is we come to a conclusion. And we're going to talk about, I'm

new. I'm not, I'm, I'm new at this. We've done 16, 15 episodes of it.

Yeah. Oh wow. I know even more. Okay, fine. Put some actual brain power to what the

topic is. Um, how do we know Moses wrote this? That's one. What was the one you

wrote down? There's the books thing, right? Uh, yeah, I was just looking for the

ending of the book, but we kind of already debunked that idea. True.

And we did some good work today.

You got ideas? Huh? No, I just, I keep on looking at a worry Yoshi

though. Okay. So I wrote down something interesting, uh, back

over at episode 13. And the decay topic was confidence,

confidence being the knowledge and control of skillset and willingness to apply.

Say that again. So confidence being the knowledge and control of skillset and

willingness to apply. Confidence is the knowledge, the skill and

the willingness to apply it. Yeah, this is, I, I, I think this is in reference to,

because there's also a music and then power of words,

um, in here as well. And, and then asking for help, interesting

mixture of topics that I did write really random things in here. Um,

but I think that would, that had to do with the things that were fathered,

I guess. Um, to some degree, because it says skillset

and willingness to apply. And I, I can't remember what. So if

that's confidence, uh, one of the proverbs we were reading, um, says that

the wise will find their confidence in God and Yahweh. Yeah.

How does that fit into that picture then? Um, so knowledge of your skillset

and then willingness to apply that, which also correlates to

having some semblance of, so it's, it's more confidence is

understanding what you can do and

how you can apply it. And then basically that you can do it at all

is, Is, is a different way of saying this. that. So we have confidence

in, in God, which makes who makes us capable.

Um, but is also sanctifying us to make us willing to even apply,

um, anything at all.

Dang. Interesting. That's interesting. Cause I was reading it as God, uh,

would be the confidence. That makes sense.

Like we wouldn't have confidence, but we could confide in him. I guess that means we

would have confidence through him. Yeah. Him being our confidence. Yeah. He's

the source. He knows what you can do and has the ability to do those things

and is willing to do those things. Yeah. And we can have confidence because we have

the Holy spirit. That's why we can say things like we should be doing things

better than the world because we have the Holy spirit. We can do things with

more excellence. We can be more diligent. We can create better and

more because we have the indwelling of the spirit of the God of creation, because

that's confidence that's we know. And what, what is possible

because of God, because what God has given us. Um, and then

that means that we, we, we can do certain things, but it's more it's, but,

confidence specifically would be the willingness to do those things. It's not

just the knowledge. It's I'm so confident because that that's, that's what that's

what culturally, when we talk about confidence. It's not, it's not that

it's not necessarily that someone just looks the part, right?

It's that they look like they know, but they also like,

they know that they're capable. Right. And, and cause, cause someone can have

false confidence and they just walk in and they're just whatever

they're messing around. Um, but someone that has true confidence, they

exude a different energy. They, they, radiate something different because, because

they actually know because they actually are willing to, to, to, that is

interesting that it exudes and it's almost physical. It's, it's

a clear difference. It's night and day when someone knows they can do something,

uh, is able to, and it's willing to do something. Um,

and the person who is pretending to like the difference is night

and day. Um, well, it's almost as if the,

the, the truth itself is creating on its own.

Whereas, uh, the, the lie is creating

nothing is doing nothing. Well, cause I, I even think about the opposite. I think, I

think about like myself when I was working before, the way I would speak

at work specifically, I, I knew how to do the things, but the way I would

talk about how things would be done had a lot to do with uncertainty.

Or excuse me, it sounded like uncertainty. I'd be like, I guess, I think, I don't

know, maybe, um, you know, I'll try, you know, different things like that rather

than, so, so like. I knew I had the skill. I knew I had the ability.

I had all the knowledge. I just, I just, yeah, I just wasn't confident. Right. I

wasn't willing to actually apply that fully. Right. I just, I, didn't, yeah, I

didn't have the confidence in it. Um, but now, um, I not only

know what it is that I can do and what I understand, um, and that I have certain

skills, but I, I. I don't verbalize it. Yeah. I don't verbalize it

as a, maybe I verbalize it as definitely, um,

because I'm, I'm confident and, and, and, and confidence gets you a whole lot

further. It's like the guy that walks in with a ladder, but do you know about that

theory? If you walk into anywhere with a ladder, fully confident, you're getting it.

Like no one's going to question you. Right. Um, so I got a thing. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Are you coming with a clipboard? That's a good one. Yeah. I mean, like it, as long

as you look like, you know what you're doing, you're playing a role. Well, Well,

that's why that's why like it. in movies and stuff, you know, the guy walks in and

he just he's talking. He's acting the part, right? But he's got all the confidence

in the world. If he walked in, he's like, hey,

so, you know, the thing I have

to, I do it back there. Is that okay? Like, you know, like that

night and day, whereas the person that actually is going to get in the real like,

hey, you know, I need to get back there. Your boss said so, you know, I'll call them

right now. Make sure if you need me to, here's my badges, you know, all the

different stuff and, you know, then you walk in because they're like, oh, okay.

Yeah, that makes sense. Pulling your sense.

That's Yeah, and one, you could almost take it like both sides are kind of willing

to apply it. But again, it's that confidence like what confidence is is

is I guess one, it wouldn't be confidence because it would be

lacking. You don't you don't have the entirety of what is necessary

to see. Yeah, I guess you're lying to yourself to some degree. It's like, oh, yeah,

I can do this person or to the other person. Yeah, I mean in some cases in some

cases, I guess confidence could be you're lying. You're just confident in your

ability to enact the figure it out. Yeah, so I think there's a difference between

knowing what you knowing the skills that you have and willingness

to do it. Plus I said that wrong. There's a difference between the definition you

came up with and also the idea of having confidence

that you'll be able to figure it out. You have skills and you have

willingness and the ability to to carry them out. But you know,

you have certain weaknesses that you need to watch out for and you also know that

the world is oftentimes random and no job is

no no. Yeah, no two jobs are the same. And so you're going to have to

improvise and you're going to have to ask for help and you're going to have

to learn something new build another skill. You're going to have to figure it out.

Right. That's but that's confidence is in a way experience and

trust in yourself and that you're able

to figure most things out and even when you you you

can't figure it out, you know what to do in that case too,

right? Yeah, it's it's you focus. But again, that's still you

know, you have the knowledge and this is this like you're saying this is an internal

thing. This is a personal like it's not I'm not just saying this is this is

knowledge only of the positive. This is a knowledge of complete self. Like I know

both my strengths and my weaknesses and in the skill set that come with both

and how and in an idea of how I can apply it and I am

also willing to apply it. Because without

the knowledge of how to apply you

couldn't have confidence.

Depends. Does it? If you mean like on a broad sense of you don't know how to

apply the broad swath of skills, then those aren't skills in the first place skills

are practiced. Yeah, they're learned hard fought. But if

you don't know how to do a specific thing that will be involved in this

job, but you know, you have the skills in order to

learn that thing. Yeah, and it's not a it's not

something that you're hiding. They know that you don't have this skill, but they

also know that part of your confidence is your your

your honesty with them and that you have the skills to figure that out. You

have the ability to teach yourself the ability to learn the ability to ask for help

skill in itself too.

Then you don't need to I guess know how to apply everything. Yeah,

you were saying that you didn't that you would need to know that in order to have

true confidence, right? Yeah, you would need to know how to apply. No. Yeah,

absolutely literally just said that you don't need to know how to apply. something.

In order for you to know, in order for you to have confidence that you can learn

something, you have to have confidence of the ability to learn.

So that's, that's the same thing that is, but the skill that you're learning or

going to learn, you have no idea how to apply, but you have, right. So you can't

have confidence in that thing. That's not possible because you don't have, if you

can have confidence. If I've never touched this, I have absolutely no confidence. If

I've never touched a cup, how about I can have absolutely no confidence in how

to deal with it at all. I would have to interact with something of similar

anything in order to be able to deal with it. Right. So it, it is very,

it's a broad idea. If I've interacted with something, even in whatever,

if I've ever learned something in my entire life, I can have confidence because I

know what learning looks like and how I learn, how I specifically can learn and how

to apply those abilities. So as long as I know that, then I can have confidence.

New, old, whatever, you know, it doesn't, it doesn't matter. It's, broad. So you're

going to have confidence in your ability to learn the new thing, but you can't have

confidence in the ability yet to apply that new thing. Yeah.

Or even be able to learn the new thing. Because there's limits to

the ability to learn. Right. Yeah. And, again, I'm confident if

so, again, we're really breaking it down. Well, so, so again, it is,

it's, it's the idea that it, especially in this day and age, it's extremely hard to

not have some idea of confidence in being able

to learn something or take hold of whatever information, whatever skillset, because

why?

It's, it's really hard in this day and age to not have some semblance of confidence

in our ability to learn something or take hold of a concept or skillset

because of. The internet. The internet, because of the transfer of information.

If there was no, if we don't have the level of the transfer of information that

we have right now, like if we were to go back into early biblical times,

transfer of information is slow you right in front of me. That's all I got.

You know what you've experienced, what you have done. So anything that I I've seen

you do anything that I've heard of you doing all of that, I can have some semblance

of, of understanding. And because I'm like you, I can know that I can, you know,

cause I'm. If you're right in front of me, I'm probably related to you. We probably,

we have the same blood going through our veins. We have the same parents possibly,

or whatever, same relatives. So there's a, there's a really good understanding of

like anything that the other people can do. I can probably do. And, you know, we

stay within certain bounds because one's a man, one's a woman. But you know, the men

generally stronger, they're going to be doing the heavy lifting. The women. You

know, they're have more of a nurturing sense. So they're going to be taking care of

the children. They're going to be feeding everybody. They're going to be making

clothes and blah, blah, whatever. But, but, but now. I

can go and watch a video on how to do something, something that I don't know diddly

squat. And I can have confidence in

that. In do in me being able to do that because one I've heard about you watching a

video, the video has a million plus views. The video has 360 comments

and a bunch of people were like, oh yeah, I was able to do this. Oh yeah, I was able

to do this. And, and, you know, it's so again, some sort

of knowledge, some sort of connection, comparison of skill set.

And, and, and that's based off of similarities. We're both human. We can

both get onto our knees underneath the car and, and unscrew the, the cap or

whatever.

It's like, whatever, like that, that's again, but that's still rooted in,

I have the knowledge. I understand myself and I know what the skill set is going to

take. I have, I know what the expectation is. I know what's, what is necessary and

the knowledge of what's necessary is really accessible. But if I don't have any of

that, then I cannot have confidence in that thing. And I, in fact, won't.

Um, a good example of this reading a book right now, Mistborn, great book

and the character, one of the main characters, She has no social

skill at all. She has no idea how to interact with these people. She has no

confidence. She has no semblance of an idea of confidence. What she has confidence

in is that she can hide. So they recruit her to have her act

like a noble woman to go to parties and mingle, be social,

something she has no concept of with other noble women. Well, they teach her how to

do it. Now she has the knowledge, she has the skill set, she has some semblance of

what she's like. Now, when she goes in there, she doesn't have the confidence, but

the first thing that happens, she recognizes, oh, wait, I know

what it's going to take in order for me to be able to understand this. And she

noticed the looks that people were giving her. They couldn't see her at all. They

didn't know who she really was. They're just like, oh, because she's used to hiding.

I'm already hiding. They have no idea who I am. I'm hiding in plain sight. They

don't see who I really am. They're just wondering about the money that my parents

have. They're just wondering where I'm from. The men are just looking at my body.

It's just a bunch of judgments that are being made, but none of them are actual

whatever. So now she has the confidence because she's made the connection. She knows

what her limitations are. She knows what her skill set is. Thus, she is now in that

finally able to be willing to apply those things that she has.

Okay.

So how do we, I want to turn the corner into confidence in other

people. So if a person has confidence, there's like a magic that they

can use that

to sort of build a bridge to another person.

And that other person can confide in the person who's confident, right?

And so this makes me think of our confidence in salvation,

our confidence in Jesus and

how you said initially that

God has ultimate confidence, right?

And in that verse, we confide in the Lord or we're told to confide in the Lord.

I've always viewed that pretty much as just a nicety, like an

emotional pat on the back. Almost a confidence. It's a be confiding

in Lord. But the way that you've said that makes me think and

realize that there's more than just an emotional

boost here. If you can

confide in someone authentically

and they're not faking it, then there is going to be a follow

through, a material follow through. There's going to in the corporate world, there's

going to be deliverables.

And so when that proverb that we were reading this week

says that we, like the righteous, should confide in

the Lord,

it's almost saying like, are you pulling it up? Yeah, I'm gonna look it up. It's

almost like it's saying, there's all these sources of people

or things saying I'm confident, you should confide in me.

But really there's only one true source of confidence. There's only

one person who's confident, who is

actually confident, who actually has the ability to follow through

on anything that they say.

Are you talking about - Proverbs. Yeah, on Thursday or - I don't know.

Let me pull it up.

Why? Haven't heard time behind it? Yeah, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Okay. Cause on Thursday we went through 26. Went through what?

We went through chapter 10, verse 26. No, no, no. I'm not talking Thursday. I'm

talking about in our group chat, text group. Right. So we're going through Proverbs

three and four. Okay. So Proverbs three,

started at 31. Do not envy a man of violence and do not choose any of his ways. For

the devious person is an abomination. to the Lord, but the uprights are in his

confidence. There it is. Oh, we're in chapter four. Yeah, we are

now. Oh, okay. Yeah. When I don't think like, I don't remember that in chapter four

at all. No, it's not. Uh, sorry. Which one is it? It's chapter three.

Um, basically starts in verse 28, but the

verse itself is 32.

So devious one is an abomination, which is secret counsel is with the upright. So

it's talking about like promises, basically Proverbs three 20. I'll read it for the

listener. Do not say to your neighbor, go and come again tomorrow. I will give it

when you have it with you. Do not plan evil against your neighbor who

dwells trustingly beside you. Do not contend with a man for no reason

when he has done no harm to you. When he has done no harm, I added that

to you part, um, do not envy a man of violence and do not

choose any of his ways for the devious person is an abomination to the Lord,

but the upright are in his confidence. Interesting. Mine

says, yeah, for the devious one is an abomination to Yahweh, but his secret

counsel is with the upright secret counsel. Well, you know what that means?

I mean, when you confide in someone, it's talking, it's hearing them out

and being heard, right. And you only do that with someone who has the ability

to help you. Right. Yeah. So sort of the same concept.

Um, well that actually brings me. So one of the other topics, uh, that I wrote down

has to do with the power of words, um, what Jason was talking about?

No. Okay. I mean, sure. But I, I

specifically focus on this idea pretty

frequently with, um, oh, that's what the

heck? Okay. While you're looking for that on a dig into the first 32. So

for the listener, what we're doing as a group is going through

portions of proverbs and really trying to digest it. Like we do the

Bible on this show. Ooh. And so I sat there on the

toilet for a good 15 minutes till my legs fell asleep. Okay. Yummy.

Uh, that's good content for the, um, as some of you are doing right now.

Um, but I was not listening to a podcast. I was, uh, reading

this verse cause I had no idea what it meant, uh, for the devious person is an

abomination to the Lord. Um, devious. That took me a long time

to digest. Like what the heck does that even mean? Like, uh, deviates like you

deviate from the right path. Um, you do it on purpose.

Devious person. It's an abomination. The, the, the,

the real word here says Mike

says perverse. I would say reverse person. Yeah. Okay. Steven,

someone that is devious is someone that would, uh, lead you astray or lead you in

the wrong direction to cause you to deviate, to turn aside, to depart,

to be perverse and same idea is an abomination to Lord.

Um, crazy hard work. Like that's worse than hate

or a poor, maybe it's the same word probably is.

Um, but then the next part, but the upright are in his confidence.

And I read that as like a, as sort of a pat on the back emotionally,

like you can, yeah, you can confide in Yahweh and

I've always thought of confiding in people in

that way of like, it's just a

emotional

self it's it's a, it's a ointment and it is in a way

feels good. And, but to me it doesn't feel like it's a real

deliverable. Yeah, sure. No. Well, and, and it's

the actual word, um, means means council, counsel. secret,

assembly, intimate, conversation.

One, it says, a session, company of persons in close deliberation.

Two, by implication, intimacy, consultation, a

secret.

I mean, I haven't thought of it necessarily in those terms.

But yeah, I guess sometimes we think about the word trust in that same

way that you're saying. It's like, oh, I emotionally, like, that's kind of what

that is. It's like, I just have this emotional thing tied to you and that makes

certain things okay.

It's almost like an allowance. Like, I allow you to whatever. Or it's like,

I'm confident you're not going to spill this to anybody else kind of thing. But

is it further than that? Can you have confidence in the Lord that he's going to

deliver in all the ways? Which obviously, yes.

I mean, it's a question of how can we have confidence? That's the question

that people are always asking us. How can you have faith in this God?

And the answer is a lot of evidence. There's a lot of physical evidence.

How do you have faith?

You can't, I'd say.

I mean, based on - Like, he chooses you kind of thing. But based off of this, based

off what I just read in that word, technically, the secret counsel, it's

intimacy. Are you supposed to receive from God unless you're in his presence,

seeking that closeness? Yeah. Well, and I mean, even with

kind of the definition of confidence that I gave, if you don't know,

you have nothing. If you don't know anything, you don't have anything. If you don't

know anything, you don't have anything.

But, and I guess, in terms of yourself, if I'm not looking internally,

I can't know anything about what's going on. If I don't

know what I'm capable of, then I can't - If I have no

reference, a frame of reference for what I'm capable of, then I don't have

anything there. And thus, I can't be willing. Does that matter,

though? So, if I have no confidence at all in anything, I can

still have confidence in Yahweh. But how? How? Because he has real

confidence. He has the ability to follow through. How do you know that, though?

Trustworthy. Because

he's proven it over and over and over again. Exactly. Because you know. It's proof.

Well, at first, you don't. And that's why I was saying it's impossible. Like, you

can't know until you take the leap of faith. But you have to know. You have - No.

Yeah. No. Because if you believe - Well, I guess you know something.

Right. But you don't know it's true. You're told something. But you believe that

it's true. Nope. You don't have to. You can know something and not believe it. But

if you call on the name of the Lord, you believe it. No. Yeah. Well, you

believe he exists, but so does Satan and his angels. Right. But you're calling on

the name of the Lord. Yeah. Yahweh. Hearing - Salvation comes through hearing the

word of God, believing it in your heart, and then calling on his name because you

believe it. Salvation comes through - I mean, through hearing. You have to hear it.

So, you have to know. But it's the Spirit. And then you have to be willing. Yeah.

So, knowing, knowing, eh.

But you don't - So, you can know the truth but not know it's the truth.

That's - Yeah. That's a - That - Just because you know a fact doesn't mean

you know that it's a fact. Just because you have confidential information

doesn't mean you're going to hold on to that confidential information

unless you've been told it's confidential information. Okay. You're saying that you

haven't interacted with everything, everything, all the specifications -

of that truth. You haven't interacted with the full context of whatever. You've read

the doctrine. So like, we just read the creation thing. We believe it to be true,

but we don't know the entirety of it. But we do know that

what it says here is true. But we haven't interacted with

it, so we don't know it. No. Well, technically,

because we weren't there, we don't know it. We can't know it. We can't know it. But

we can know it because someone does know it, and

that's God. Right. And we know that God will deliver, is

confident, is telling the truth because of

the promises that he's made to us and delivered on. Right. So he

gives us a promise and we go, oh,

that's nothing without follow through, and then he follows through. And

then now we have history of, I say I'm gonna do this, and

then I do it. You see that I said something and I

did it. You see I'm a man of my word and I deliver. Right. And you can have

confidence that that's going to happen because now you have experience. You know it,

right? And that's why I'm saying it's not really impossible for us to have faith

without the Spirit causing us to know it. Well, we have to, the

point that I was trying to get to is that we have experienced him.

Experienced his faithfulness. Yes. His ability to stick to what he says he's going

do. to And that's how we can have confidence because we have experienced him. That

we can have faith because he's faithful. We can have confidence because

he's confident. Yeah, but that's still reliant for us to

know what's possible. And then confidence

would be us being willing to act upon it.

Because otherwise if we didn't have that confidence and based off of what we know,

then we wouldn't be willing to take that leap of faith. Your camera just went

blurry. Nice. It's being annoying. Freaking Jimmy, dude. The heck, Jimmy.

It's distracting my man. She needs a break. Yeah, she might. Long. Okay, sorry. Can

you get me back on track? I said that if

we didn't know, yikes. We didn't know the truth,

then we wouldn't have confidence.

We wouldn't have confidence if we didn't know the truth and then we wouldn't be

willing to act upon it, which would be taking that leap of faith, which would be

accepting him into our hearts. So we have to know the truth.

We have to experience him in some way in order to

then go and have the confidence to take that leap of faith. Right, but knowing

truth is that process of God

saying and doing. And us knowing something

and then experiencing it is entirely different. So that's what I'm saying is

we can hear the word of God and know

the truth, but we don't know yet. Right, right, right. But it is only

through the hearing of the truth that we can be saved. That we even have a

basis to understand the truth. Yeah, but again. So it's even test anything. Yeah,

but again, that's why the emphasis on willingness to apply it. So

even if I know the truth, even if I know what my skillset is, even if I know

the entirety of the Bible, whatever, even if, whatever, if I have all

the awareness, it doesn't matter because I'm not willing to apply

it. Right, so I don't have confidence in it. It means

practically nothing. Yeah, I see. Because it's just information. So

yeah, I don't have confidence in it. And it's not, I mean, it's just

words on a page. Yeah, that's interesting. So you can know that God is

telling the truth and you can have confidence that he's going to deliver. But if you

don't also.

Trust in, in the commands that he gives, for example, and obey

that and apply it in your life. Um, then in a way you

still don't trust that what he says is true and that he will follow

through on it. Yeah. Yeah. Because there is obviously there is that lack of intimacy

that we're chasing in our lives. Right. Um, because we want to be closer with him

full confidence would just be us living out our faith fully and

unashamedly and without ceasing. Um, which is,

you know, our desire. Um, but that's really hard to get to. Um, but, but yeah, we,

we, we, yeah, yeah, we do what we hate. And you saying that I felt in my heart,

like, I mean, yes, I, I would, I, I really look forward to going to heaven cause

I will be without sin and I can finally be free of the, the, the, the tearing of

my soul. Yeah. Right. But at the same time, I'm like, Oh, that sounds like a lot of

hard work. I just, I don't know if I want to do that. I guess. Um, so there's still

actively two forces within me, just pulling me apart. Yeah.

Painful. That's the word that I have. Yeah. Um, but

to confide in Christ, confide in Yahweh,

um, we can do that because we,

we, he's given us evidence, the ample evidence. Um, he's given us, um, what

Jason is going through. Um, and the church is like the prophets,

the whole thing of, of prophets and the old assessment was if a prophet, um,

if someone said that they were saying the words of God and what they said

did not come true a hundred percent, no, like was she washing us? Like, no,

this is like legal contract. Like if this is like

engineering, this is like, you can, it's measurable. This is what

at work, your manager wants you to set a clear and measurable goal for

yourself. Right? This is that kind of stuff. And if God does not follow through

on what the prophecy was, the law was to kill

them. Yeah. Stone them. Yeah. Yeah. And so they could have been right on like a

hundred, but the hundred and first is wrong. Dead. Not from God. Yep.

Wild. It's interesting because that, um, kind

of, well, I already pointed this out, but the power of words. So

there's the sense of, we can have confidence from what we know is true.

Um, both experientially and informationally.

Um, but then there's the other side of that, right?

If you're a prophet and you go out in

the street corner or whatever, you're like, Hey, y 'all got a word for y 'all. Uh,

you know, what you say at that point is a lot.

And I, you know, I wonder what the thinking is at that point. Right. Uh, of the

people or the prophet, like, well, like you're, you're coming in hot.

You're like, Hey guys, I've got a prophecy. Get this from the Lord God from Yahweh.

And it sounds ridiculous, honestly. I don't know why I'm going to say this, but, uh,

yeah, apparently, uh, we're supposed to beat an entire

army with 300 of us. Right. Well, with,

with, with torches and mama's, uh, old pottery.

Um, but yeah,

uh, hurrah.

But, but there's this, there's this idea of knowing

what you say. So a definition of prophecy that

I've heard, um, is that like a pastor? Person in the front, they're

prophesying, um, in that they're teaching, they're sharing from the word of God.

Right. Um, and, but, but, their words are

very important. They have to have a lot of confidence. And again, and going

back to they know they have this knowledge and they're confident in it

very interesting sorry and then they're willing to apply it I listened

to you you should hear this it's very very interesting mmm Kenneth

Copeland Oh was on a podcast healthy wealth

guy right huh health and wealth guy yeah health and wealth guy he was on a podcast

he ended up podcast ever no no he hadn't been on a podcast in several years but he

was willing to be on this podcast with this younger guy yep and

he's sharing the so really he's

on there you know so that they can have a dialogue it wasn't really a dialogue and a

Copeland really just shared what it is that he thinks and believes and the other guy

just he was trying he was trying to be respectful yeah because kind of Copeland's I

think he's like 90s or something okay he's old so

he's just kind of rambling on this is on topic he's

talking about he brings up you know different parts of the Bible and different stuff

but is really interesting because because I'm listening to this and I'm hearing like

he's saying these things I'm like okay what he's saying isn't does not

sound wrong yeah he's very confident I mean he and he just he's just kind of going

at it and this you know he's gone he's kind of shotgun in the scripture like real

fast I'm like whoa yeah and in the scripture that he's he's he's pointing to I'm

like okay mmm like I'm really like really

struggling to pick apart what like what's wrong with what you're saying

mm -hmm then he gets to the end I forget what he says it the whole thing falls apart

I'm like okay cuz how does it fall apart so the the the

the the thing that the host I wish I could remember his name

was trying to pick at was financial prosperity okay

what Kenneth Copeland was saying was that

prosperity looks different technically for everybody true prosperity is in Christ

they both they the other guy brought that up they agreed upon that

true prosperity is having Christ at all

but the manifestation

if you will of of material prosperity comes

about differently for everybody else so you can be really happy with a little you

can really be really happy with with a lot some people are meant for

more prosperity so having more money more cars more

people more whatever more responsibility responsibility yeah reality

yeah yes and I really don't remember

where it fell apart but I think I think what

he ended up saying was something to the effect

of

you like it's like working for it or something like that

or or maybe it was like your heart has to be right

is kind of what he was saying and

huh saying or insinuating he was insinuating yeah it was something to the effect of

working for it of if you pray enough yeah that's what it was it

had something he got into this whole thing of like if you have enough faith if you

pray enough then you'll be able to receive whatever and so the the

onus is on the potential recipient of this prosperity yeah and so

if you don't pray right or enough then it's your fault yeah so the

confidence is in self and not in the Lord pretty much well and it's interesting

because it kind of the way that he said it he's like you know if you don't have if

you don't if you're not confident God can do it why would he do it for you right

deal he's spinning it on you yeah he's manipulating yeah the words yes it's

very interesting but so but but you know you hear what he says and you're like well

this doesn't sound like just the way he was going

about it it really truly sounded like he believed this mm -hmm he

wasn't he might I mean it happened to him sure he could be biased absolutely yeah

he's yeah that's That's he, he's the things that he experienced and

the detail in which he went way back, like

in the tiniest molecule of information. I'm like,

you're close to death. Your brain should not be

anywhere close to being how I was

impressed. He's talking about the name of some

artists that he met years and years ago, because he apparently did music.

Crazy. He can fly planes.

He just spouted off directions or something like that, and move

this dial, do this thing, whatever. I'm just like. He's got a good mind on them. You

couldn't have conjured that out of nowhere. Well, maybe. Even if you did conjured

out of nowhere, the fact that you're able to articulate it, I mean, he was quick

with it. That's wild. This was supposed to be forever ago.

A lifetime ago.

But yeah, the way he was telling the story and then the transition. It was

a smooth transition. Bro's a preacher. The way he transitioned into

getting into the word of God and the comparisons that he was making and all of a

sudden, I'm like, no, this isn't some false teacher that

just thinks he can make a buck. I truly believe he

actually believes what he's saying. Which is the confidence. Which is the

confidence. But is that actual confidence? It's not in Christ, I don't think. I

don't think it's in the truth. I don't think it's rooted in the truth. And so is

this, where is his competence rooted in? No, not like that's not

a rhetorical question. Where is it? Well,

that's hard to determine based off of what he said, because I couldn't say with full

certainty. I would say with near full certainty,

his experience. Sure. Okay. Yeah. So he was told one thing, if

you have enough faith, if you pray X amount,

and you believe that God will do this for you, he will, and then he got all those

things. So it seemed like God was saying something through these other people or

through a misinterpretation of scripture and he received the promise.

So in his mind, his confidence is in the Lord, but in reality,

his confidence is in his experience. Yeah. Is in the experience

of a false promise that was fulfilled. And that

sort of like, you got to have your, that brings up the huge point of

you got to have your confidence in the Lord correctly, you have to bring.

These met promises or unmet promises, um,

to scripture to see if it holds up. Cause I bring up

unmet promises because I was in that state last year of like, doesn't God promise

that he's going to take away certain sense or just all sin, like the Holy Spirit's

entire job is to like walk us hand in hand away from sin. Isn't

he supposed to change my heart in these certain areas and like, um, heal

me. And like, does he really want to address other issues first?

That makes no sense to me. Um, it seems like he's not following through on a promise

and that's the key is it seems like, yeah. And so

I guess you got to like, even when you think that God's not following through on a

promise, you can't, you can't assume that you remember

it correctly. Sure. Cause remember our memories are lost decompression, right?

And I'll be like, yeah, we can't remember the minute details. Um, and

I'm sure he's coming up with some stuff too. I do that all the time, like just for

the story, but it's, it's written down for a reason

and we need to open it up and make sure that our assumptions

or what we think we know is actually

what is written. Well, yeah, not only

what's written, but understood correctly within within itself. And Chris of In of

itself. Chris Yeah. Chris Which means what? Scripture, interpreting scripture. Chris

Yeah. Chris Yeah. Chris And, and, I mean, and again, this is to the idea, so

the power of words, we're talking about confidence

and knowledge and how we

can have confidence in our knowledge that what God says is true

and what he can do is true, is real, is possible and that he

will do it. And, um, act on that and actual and yeah, act,

act within our own lives on how to do that. Chris Yeah. I mean, cause like we

all understand the concepts of money. Yeah. Um, when I have confidence

in an interview, um, that's almost all I need and I

can tell them that I'm, I can do the job for them. And

here's how, if you really want to know, but like, I'm sure you don't really want to

know the details. You just want to know that I'm confident that I can get it done.

And I'm telling you, I'm confident I can get it done hundreds of times or tens of

times or whatever it is, right. Thousands of times. Um, and they take that

confidence and they put down a contract of, okay, you said this, this, this,

um, we're gonna hold each other to this agreement because people forget things. So

we're writing it down. Um, and people don't want to be held accountable. So we're

writing it down. Um, and we're putting money on the line. We're putting our

hard effort, our hard won, um, resources. Yeah.

Yeah. Our time spent, our value that we

could put anywhere else. We're putting it in you because you said you could do

something and we believe that you're going to follow through on it. Yeah. Um,

that brings a whole new dimension to that verse that I was sitting on the toilet

reading. Yeah. Proverbs 3 32, um, the upright will confide

in Yahweh. That's what's the cliche. You can take it

to the bank. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's, we should be

living life in a state of ecstasy almost because

we know we have ultimate confidence. We should have ultimate confidence.

It's like, um, the concept, the entire concept of insurance. Like if you have

home insurance or none of us have homes, but if you have car insurance, well, not

all of us have cars. Oh my God. Health insurance. There we go. There we go. Um, you

feel a bit more confident. Yeah. Um, that you're not going to get smacked up

the side of the face one day with a giant bill. Yeah. Like, let me scare some

people. Um, any moment, any moment now you could get a call from your

doctor, um, or go to the doctor and get a call back saying that you have cancer

and not only is cancer scary, but it's a financial financial wrecker.

Yeah. If you don't have insurance, it's going to wreck you. Even if you have

insurance, sometimes it'll wreck you millions and millions of dollars in treatment.

Right. Guaranteed and not even a guarantee of.

So that's survival of life. And we pay how much for health insurance,

just for the possibility that that might happen. And just the ease of mind that if

it does, like, at least we have a chance to live. Yeah. And if we live, at least we

won't be millions of dollars in the hole. We'll still be broke,

but at least we'll be alive. Right. That gives us a ease of mind, um,

that allows us to live life in a more, um,

free, less stressful way. Yeah.

I mean, it's a multi billion dollar industry, probably trillion dollar industry. If

you include all insurance. Sure. Um, and you spend how much money

for just a shot at survival. Right. Whereas the confidence that God offers is

a guarantee of survival. Yeah. A guarantee of not only survival, but

thriving, not only thriving, thriving beyond anything that you've ever even

imagined. Yeah. Because there is no ability for us to imagine perfect thriving

anymore. We just can't do it. It's not possible. That's why he's our confidence. We

have his spirits because he can't imagine it. In fact, he is it.

He does imagine it for us. He does imagine that for us. Yeah. Yeah. So my spirit

goes, Hey, that's him. Looks pretty fun. Let's go that direction. And his spirit

says, ah, it looks like you could have confidence in that thing,

but I know the truth.

And you're mine. Yeah. And I'm yours. So like, we're going this way.

Oh, I love that t -shirt by the way. Shout out to Jason's. I don't know if it's

Jason's t -shirt company, but the, the Jonah t -shirt yeah. Get in loser. What is

it? Get him loser. We're uh, I think it was just falling the Lord. Isn't it?

Something like that. Yeah. Something like that. Get him loser. We're following the

Lord. I love it. Yeah. Probably Steven. You got anything to say? How

long are we at by the way? Oh,

three and a half. Okay. Um, I wasn't confident that we were gonna get much content

out of confidence. Oh man. But I, if you, if you didn't, you know,

go on and go in your direction the way you took it. I was like, Oh, this perfect.

Perfect. Set up. This is exactly what I wanted from Daniel. Um, yeah, I was, I was

like trying to feel for it. I'm like, I'm not feeling the air in my sails yet.

Um, cause like what makes it entertaining, what makes it gripping is

when it becomes personal. Yeah. And that's personal for me. Yeah. Like I have a

hard time trusting God. Still. I have a hard time applying his word. Yeah. Um,

well all, yeah, all of us. Yeah. But especially you feel it very deeply. Right now.

Yeah. Right now. And I don't know if we're both still struggling or all of us are

still struggling with actually picking up our Bibles outside of this. Yeah. It's a

struggle. I don't know about your Bible. My Bible's sticky. It's been stuck on that,

that desk for awhile. Nice.

Yeah. But, um, it's almost like I, I feel like I'm not

worthy almost picking it up. Sure. Which I know is not true. You know, what's crazy.

What? One of the things that I brought up, uh, to my friend last night

when I was talking about her podcast. Okay. Um, was that those that

feel as though they just aren't worthy. Right. Yeah. And

that's the point, like that's a huge part of this podcast

is we don't, I don't feel worthy. You're

not never ready to pick this up ever, but we are coming to this

table, recording ourselves, in fact, putting ourselves on blast, if you will,

and proclaiming to the world, Hey, we are, we, we need to pick this

up and we need to be in his word. And even

though we don't feel worthy, even though we're struggling Christians, what's, what,

what's the, the phrase or the thing that we came up with. Oh, I'll pull it up.

Something about that. Um, but we're struggling Christians that. Which one

do you want? Uh, I think, I think Stevens was really good.

Nice. Steven. I get it. Um, perfume decay where broken believers refuse to fight

alone in a world rotting from within. We choose something different to be steeped

in the word of God to carry the fragrance of Christ and to stand firm as everything

around us fades. Did you, did you write that? No. Okay. I

basically, um, okay. Okay. Quote unquote more problems. I do want to read what

you've said initially. It was off the cuff.

Sure. Yeah. Not to say your original quote wasn't intense enough. Um, I like your

off the cuff stuff. I mean, that's how you write all your songs pretty much. Right.

Yeah. You ever sat down and actually jotted down a lyric. Oh, tons. Yeah. Yeah. So

you do it both ways. Yeah. What's your favorite way?

Uh, probably the ones that I come up with, right. Cause they, because it

just feels more intimate, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So just like we,

um, had to get the wind in our sails for, for this conversation, uh, in order to get

there, it had to be personal. Yeah. And at that point, no longer struggle to even

think about the direction we're going. Yeah. Right. It's more raw. Yeah. Right. And

I think we especially value the raw

data, the honesty, the genuine,

you know, as messy and as weird and as gross as it can be. I want it

as it is. Yeah. And that's the point of this. Whatever you want it to be. Like, I

don't care about the makeup. I don't care about the PR firm. I don't care. I just

want to know the truth. Right. And anybody who gets in the way of that is not my

friend. Right. Anyways, I want to read what you said. Yeah, go for it. Our podcast

is for those that struggle to pick up the Bible and those that struggle to read it.

And perhaps those that struggle to connect with the idea of applying it and

understanding it. Perfume decay. Struggling Christians should struggle together. The

struggle is real, so join us as we seek to perfume our lives with the word of God

and then seek to be Christians while approaching the decay of this world.

Pretty solid. Yeah. Um, Tommy, did you use GPT? I did not. Wow.

That I'm, I do this a lot. Apparently. I think it was literally

typing that out as I was driving. Safe. Yeah.

The safest way possible. Don't do that. Stay in, stay in drugs. Don't do school.

Wait. Stay in school. Don't do drugs and don't drive with your phone. We're in

drugs. Um, but yeah, I

mean, it's the essence of this podcast is to

be honest with the fact that

life is messy. We don't have all the answers. The answers are in here

and truthfully, we just need to open it and we need to see it for what it really is.

Even what you just said there doesn't rest well with me. I'm sure it doesn't rest

well with anybody or not. Not anybody, but a lot of people. Cause I don't

think I'll just say it. I don't believe that all the answers are in there. Sure. I

just don't.

And I don't know why God made it that way. And that's something I struggle with.

Yeah. Maybe it's just cause the, the, we talked about this last season of the

complexity of, of sin and what

should be a perfect world just makes everything so confusing and way too

complicated. Um, so that's probably why you can say everything that you need

to know is in that book. And then you can also say with just enough confidence. No,

it's not. I mean, it's everything that you need to know because there's only one

thing that you need to know. Christ. And everything of worth

flows from that. Right. Up and downstream. Yeah. Yeah. In terms of

practicality, I mean, I, I, I'll, I'll say this all day long and that I truly

believe that this is true. Um, the American gospel video definitely

recommends watching that. But, um, they show a clip of the pastor

walking up and down the stage or whatever. And he's like,

uh, actually he's probably just down there, whatever it doesn't matter. Uh, he says,

nobody cares about, nobody cares about no blood and no cross. I just want to

know how to get through the day. That's why we think that there's more to know.

There's more that needs to be known because we need to know how to get through the

rest of the day. But that's not what

Jesus says at all. He says, throw out all your crap

and just follow me. Do you don't live on bread alone? What is our, I mean, I heard

another pastor talking about, um, the irreducible minimum. What is the

irreducible minimum? Survive your, if you're in, he gave the example of your caught

in the middle of a snow storm, your car is buried. What's the first thing you're

thinking about? I need to survive. Yeah. You're not thinking about anything else

unless you are so overly consumed by your job or whatever else.

You're overwhelmed already. Yeah. Ready internally in a storm. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but,

but the, primary thing is to survive. So you think about food, you think about

warmth, you think about whatever protection of yourself, of the other people in the

vehicle, if there's other people, right. Um, getting out, whatever you're thinking

about that, but, but the Jesus is like,

you You don't need to think about all that. in some

sense. I mean, he's given us that desire to survive. So we

ought to, but the very, the irreducible minimum is Christ.

Where is God in the midst of this? And you know, we

get told this all the time in the church, go to God first, bring it to God first,

pray first, God first before anything else. And that's,

and when you do that, you're like,

okay, I did it, you know, now I need to know the rest of this stuff. I need to be

able to survive. I still need to stay warm. I still need to eat. I still need to,

you know, whatever else. I still need to survive. I still need to continue on

whatever. You know, there's other things, there's practical things I have to do.

Like, I don't, you're right. I'm not necessarily gonna read this and gain

survival skills all of a sudden. I'm just not. Maybe I

can infer some things and it's like, oh, okay, maybe this is what they meant. How to

survive in the ocean. Yeah. Swallowed by a whale. Yeah, right. I'm definitely not

gonna learn corporate skills. I'm definitely not gonna learn how to use the

computer. I'll circle back on that. Yeah. Once we're aligned.

That's great. Certain deliverables. Yeah. I'm not gonna learn how

to do art. I'm not gonna learn, like, there's so many things that you're not gonna

learn here. But again, you are going to learn the

most important thing.

And that kind of is what I was talking about earlier too, with how

Genesis is written. It's like, there's a lot of details that are omitted. Just not

there. Maybe in our own heads, like even in a bunch of our speculations,

maybe there could have been this detail. Maybe we could have had a little bit more,

but that's not the point. It's not the details that aren't there.

It's the ones that are there. It's both. When you're reading the word, is that what

you're talking about? Yeah.

Start with what's there. And then based on what other places you read in the Bible,

you figure out, oh, why isn't this there? Yeah, yeah. But yeah, scripture

fills in the gaps for itself. But I do see what you mean by like, of

course, a full class on jujitsu is not gonna be in

the Bible. Why? Because God assumed that someone would

found jujitsu and teach that class.

So of course, not everything is in the Bible. Crazy that would be. That'd be nuts.

That's what we rely on. And that's what

God desires for us to change. Okay, so how do we change this? In the

beginning of this conversation, you were talking about confidence and the makeup of

it. There's the knowing, the knowing of skills, the

ability to do those things and the willingness to do those things. So

we have God's word, we know, or maybe we don't, maybe it's stuck to our

desk and we need to know it better. But once we know it, once we know

God and we'll never know God fully, that's gonna be a lifelong

eternal pursuit.

But once we know something about God,

is there something

to be willing to do

because of the knowledge that you have

of God and the confidence that you have that

He has the skill, the ability to do it and the willingness to do it?

So it's almost like His willingness to do it is coupled with our

willingness to do it. You see what I mean?

Yeah, so well, so what is it called?

Compatibilism. Compatibilism in reference to the Bible has to do

with God's sovereignty and our responsibility, right? Compatibilism.

Compatibilism. Why? Why is it called that? It's called that because...

they're, you don't, they're not, they work

in tandem together, right? God is sovereign over us,

but we have a responsibility to respond, right? And so, what

God ordains, yes, He ordains it. Yes, He wills it. Yes, it happens. But

we still have a responsibility. It only happens

because we did it. That, well. And it couldn't have happened without us doing it.

Right. It's inseparable. Right. And to say it - And we couldn't have done it unless

He willed it to happen. Right. And so, it's a weird -

Paradoxical relationship. Because, and so, trying to determine, trying

to name it, trying to call it whatever it is. I mean, compatibilism - I understand

that, honestly. Yeah. And this goes back to that math equation stuff that I'm

talking about. Yeah. Like at the beginning of like, if you have two centers and a

garden in a perfect world, not centers, you have two perfect people in a

garden with the ability, the risk to sin plus infinite time. Yeah.

What's the result? What is infinity times - Negative.

It's a negative. It's a negative infinity. Yeah. It's going to happen. Same thing

about what you're talking about, the compatibilism. And you're using your hands to

sort of almost make like a yin yang kind of symbol, but not really. It's like

you're, you know how you like, that people up, you're doing [bleep].

You're doing that. Like hand in hand, it's like the

snake eating its own tail kind of thing. It makes sense to me

because there is a source. Yeah. God is the

source of all creation.

And he spoke creation into existence from nothing out of words, not

of, not of words and

then follow through. It was just words. Yeah. And then - There was a follow through.

And then, and then it was there. Yeah. It was one -on -one. Yeah. Right. The

idea of that paradox of God had the will

me to accept him and I had to accept him

for his will to happen is almost like

a, it cancels each other out.

Yeah. Right. And if you think about creation as it is coming from nothing,

that makes sense.

So I, it's almost like we live in a universe that's

very similar to a

cavitation at the bottom of a water bottle. Okay. Do you know,

does everybody know what a cavitation is? I've no idea what you're talking about.

Okay. Do you know how to explain it really well?

Okay. So there's a thing that happens when you, um,

slam the water bottle down, I think it is. But essentially, uh, when you slam a

water bottle down onto a table or whatever, um, there's a cavitation bubble that

forms at the base, at the bottom of the, of the bottle because you're pushing the

bottle faster downward. Gotcha. Then the water can,

uh, go, yeah, basically. And so if the water can't go,

how like with, with how fast you're pushing it down, um, what,

like, what, what happens, what, what, like, is there nothing there? Like you,

what happens is it creates a vacuum and that vacuum is a lack

of air, lack of water. Um, and that's called a cavitation. Interesting. Yeah.

So a cavitation is similar through a universe and this thought experiment that I'm

having here, because at the end of the day, it, it came from

nothing. It is something right now, but it could, and likely

will collapse to nothing, but there was a source that made it.

Okay.

Interesting. Right. That was not the example. No, no. What example would you use?

Um, the pistol shrimp example. Okay. Go for it. Um, so basically pistol

shrimp are able to, um. shoot out water

from their big claw at basically the same rate

as a 22 caliber bullet. Yikes. Good. That's good. And to

basically go after things that they eat. Anyways, whenever they do

that, it creates so much heat and pressure

that basically vaporizes hydrogen

molecules and makes an air bubble, a really tiny one. But from the amount

of pressure that it's moving at, it basically collapses back into itself. Goodness

gracious, dude. Yeah, I think that's a cavitation too. Yeah. Right. And it creates a

little explosion. Yeah. The light you mentioned. Yeah. Like colliding the, what did

you say, hydrogen or something? Yeah. Like I said, I can't really explain. I mean,

that's way better than I did. Shoot. Way better. So, so the cavitation

is, oh, here's another one. Lightning. Oh, that's true. Yeah. Lightning is so hot

that it burns up everything in its path, including the atmosphere. And

so when it's gone, what's left is an

empty spot. And so the crack of lightning and thunder is

the atmosphere filling in that gap. And so what

he's talking about with cavitation is the water collapses in on itself so quickly

that it causes action. It causes light

or it causes harm to another creature. Like it's prey, right?

That's how it's used in this case. Intrepisim. Insane. First off, glory to God.

That's crazy. I never would have thought of something like that. That's nuts.

Cavitation. Cavitation. Cavitation. Yeah. So that's brilliance

on God's part. But does that make sense where

I'm going me to do something, me

doing it, and without either of those things, like you said, compatibility,

right? Compatibilism.

You can't have one without the other. They're intertwined and it's almost a paradox.

And if you have both of those things, you can have it. If you don't have those

things, there's nothing. Sure. Right. And so if... Well, I think

a better way of saying that is if you have one instead of the other, you have

something that... You have a system that doesn't work. It's not functional. It just

doesn't exist. It collapses to nothing. Yeah. Or more so... Well, because I'm

thinking of it in terms of what people believe. So if it is purely our

responsibility, then God is not necessary. If it is purely

God, then technically we are not necessary. Right. Which a lot of

people would argue. Right. But if it is both of us, we

cannot say one way or the other. And so them being inseparable,

it's almost this perpetual feeding loop.

Ooh. You know what I mean? Keep going. Yeah. Mago Dei. Sure. An image of

God.

I was thinking when you were saying that, why would a God tie himself down?

Oh, interesting.

Right? So why would he allow himself to be in a position where

he's responsible to another being

the way that you were describing? Because that's the way you were describing it,

right?

In a sense, not really. It's almost like necessary. We are It necessary. is

necessary. For sure. So that doesn't have to be true. So why did he

allow that to be true? Because it's in his character. Right? So back to

relationship. He doesn't have to communicate with us. He does.

And God doesn't need us to be

whole, to be perfect. Right?

There is, again, that... This is me

saying a little bit more than just

true necessarily, but God is a relational being. Of

course, he would create more relationship. Is that the reason for all of

this? Ah, hard to say with all the content, with all

the things that are going on. Like me saying that, tons of people were super

triggered. Like, oh, what about all the people that died, what about cancer, what

about blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, ah, ha. But again, but you know,

genuine relationship we'll say. But like, so there's

this sense of compatibilism making sense because God,

and then like you said, him, I guess, I don't wanna

say making himself responsible to. Responsible to, another way to say

it is he needs something, he needs us somehow. A better

way is he's, probably the best way to say this is,

cause those are almost blasphemy. But this is like, he chose

to intertwine himself in his creation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In a way that,

I'm sure he could pull himself out, but like, without destroying everything in the

process, and that's not his character. Right. So it's like, yeah, so he's

purposefully, it's almost like. He's intimately involved in his creation. If we

think about it in this way, in terms of forgiveness. Oh, that's why I said a Mago

Dei. Okay. Made in the image of God because he's intimately, from the beginning,

intertwined in the creation that he's made. Yeah. Yeah. Well, like the idea

of forgiveness, right, is. Wild episode, by the way.

What episode was that? Was it, was it five?

Keep talking, hold it up. it Was four or something like that? I don't know. But it

might've been later, I don't know. But it's, you're involved with

something, right? And this is the way I'm gonna explain it. You're involved with

three, okay. You're involved with something and you,

things go wrong and then you forgive the other person

and then, which is taking on more of the wrong, more of the negativity, more of the

consequence, right? That's in God's character, so. To forgive.

To take on consequence. And, but there's promise as well. So, in a

sense, it's not him, I guess, being, it's him being faithful, but it's his

promise, right, that he makes at the very beginning to forgive us,

forgive our debt, thus intertwining. The instant, I would say, that

he does that. He's intertwined. The promise.

The seed that he refers to and then Eve refers to. Yeah, he's,

he's keeping his word and so he's intertwined himself

in all of this, right? And so. He's almost using his own character

against himself. Like, he's made a promise and because of his character,

he's going to follow through. Yeah. And in that way, he's now intimately

intertwined. Yeah. Thus, he's the one that is. He is the through line.

He's feeding the whole thing, but he's decided to include

us in it, right? He's feeding the whole thing through us.

And that doesn't even scratch the surface, but there's, it just, it just keeps

going. It's 1130. Yeah, it's getting late. But ultimately, we can

have confidence in God and no matter how much doubt we have,

it is just us being sanctified through his spirit

that we become more confident as we learn more and more about

him and become closer to him. And experience him more. Experience him more. Because

he is intimately intertwined in the creation that he's made. Yeah. And

the proof and the evidence is that you and I and

the listener and Steven, I'm forgetting you Steven, are Christian

now. God has chosen us

in that paradox

of compatibilism that makes

almost no sense. He's He's chosen to be intimately intertwined

in our lives. I don't even know what to do with that.

Yeah. Praise him for it. Thank God. Yeah. Because there's takeaways for sure.

Yeah. I mean, I know there's takeaways and we can end. This is like a rapper

basically. There's been so many times this last week alone

that I've been just living life

as normal, thinking on the conversations that we've

had and realizing how

true they are and how I'm not

acting like it's true at all.

The biggest one that's been just smacking me in the face lately is the

idea that when you pull on the thread

of anything in creation, which is everything,

at the end of that thread, you're going to find God, the one true God.

The fact that we can breathe fresh air

right now is because God's allowing air to

continue to exist.

I've oftentimes thought that creation was a set it and forget it kind of

thing. And the Bible is very clear that it's not

ever since the fall. I mean, even before the fall, we see God

was walking through the garden. He made the garden and placed Adam and Eve in it.

He's been intimately involved in all of creation. And why would that be any

different? His character doesn't change. He didn't fall. We did. He didn't change.

We did. And so if he didn't change, then he's still involved

and gosh dang it, Brian, help me out

here.

Um, you were saying the thing that you're struggling with is if you pull on any

thread, God gets there.

I mean, if,

oh man.

So it's, it's just, it's, it's late. I'm tired. But, um,

the, the idea is I, I sit here

looking at everything around me and just like being able to

experience anything as if it's real, knowing that it could just be

a memory, knowing that it could just be a simulation theory, knowing all the

different possibilities, but also knowing the follow through that God has,

um, in the prophecies in, uh, Jesus Christ dying

on a cross and then rising from the dead. And that was only

like 2000 years ago. Yeah. Um, and even nuttier, this is

probably open my eyes to this even more is we think 2000 years ago is not that long

ago. Sure. But we just did the math and from creations of the flood

is 1 ,556, 1 ,565.

1 ,656. 1 ,656? Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Years.

Yeah. That's. It's almost half. Almost nothing. Like that's nothing to us and

our, our stupid perspective. And so that's been freaking

me out. Cause it's always been like, Oh, I think the earth is like six to 10 ,000

years. Like, but no like legitimate research or evidence to,

to legitimize that. Um, besides just believing what

other people have told me. And now that I've done the work, I'm basically going

around my life going, Holy [bleep]. The only reason the air

molecules that are fueling my body right now exist is because Jesus,

God, Holy spirit are holding them together. Yeah. Still. Yeah. Oh,

that's right. That's why I went down that route of, uh, God doesn't change.

He's still intimately intertwined. So he's holding everything together. Yeah. And

the Bible says that, that, that, That, that literally does it not

by making things up. Yeah. Says that holds all, all, all, well, I think

it's yeah. Holds all things together. Yeah. By the power of

his will or something like that. Something like that. Anyways, it's his power and it

says, well, to hold it together. Um, and if he didn't, everything would fall apart.

And just, so every time I look around, this has happened so many times and I just

see anything, smell anything, do anything, realize anything in front

of me while I'm having this thought. The fact that I'm realizing anything and seeing

anything means that God is. Involved. Involved that he's

still patient, that he's still in love, that he's

still, he's still there. Yeah. And he's still

obsessed. Sure. He's obsessed.

I mean, if we're made in this image, I obsess over the stupidest little

projects, stupidest little hobbies, and those hobbies fall apart constantly. Yeah.

But I lovingly put them back together and I, I mean, I

can't imagine anything else, but God is obsessing over

us, over his creation cause not for any bad reason or anything,

but because not because he needs it, but because he loves us because he, he, he's

relational God because he's devoted because of all the good things that you could

think of. Yeah. And that's just been mind blowing to me. And that's because of this

podcast and because of the, this ministry and this, like the conversations that

we've had. Oh man. So there's, this ties into the fact that

God chose us for whatever's happening here,

whatever God chooses to do with this, whether it's something or nothing.

Yeah. I think it's guaranteed something. I mean, because it's been something,

definitely has been something. Yeah. I am not the person who should be doing this

show. And you said the same sentiment. Yeah. What about you, Steven? I'm just

back up.

So at least two thirds, if not all of us don't think we're the right people. And

Moses thought the same thing. Right. And I think God's sort of just gone wink,

wink, like Daniel, do you think you're going to keep your sticky Bible on your desk?

I'm going to force you to pick it up. Yeah, maybe this is just a ploy. This is a

ploy. To get us to read our Bible. It absolutely is. It is. I'm telling you

it is. Cause last year I was running from God and I was mad. I was [bleep] off

at God for not keeping his promises. And then you're stupid ass.

Put some jerk in your life. We're like podcast. We have a cool conversation. And

like, maybe talk about the Bible. I was like, oh, and then we did it.

Here we are at 16 episodes later. And like there's been ups and downs and, but

there's been a lot of episodes where we walk away from it and we're like, what was

that? What was that? That's nuts. And God's

I think God's really moving through this to change my life. I mean, he's trying

to change all of our lives. He's trying to get us to live together. Yeah.

Or at least he's going to try. I mean, I think we're going to succeed. I don't know

why we wouldn't succeed, but. At this, no, I led living together. Oh yeah. And so

it's like being roommates, being room. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, that's

crazy. And then the people that I'm trying to bring into it too. I'm like, look, I'm

looking at that. I'm looking at the whole situation and I'm just like, imagine what

is actually happening here. Imagine if, if God chose to take the

people that were thinking of being in that household. And just turn

it into a God story. Sure. Yeah. A full, full

God sent. Yeah. I mean, not a full send a full God sent. Yeah. I look, I,

the more I think about it, you know, it's one of those things.

It's one of those things where I'm looking at it and like, I've just watched it

happen and I'm like, okay. Yeah. Like I, I I'm skeptical.

I'm like, is this a good idea? Should we even try to do this?

I'm really comfortable where we're at. And like, Everything's everything's fine and

we don't need to move in together. We don't need to, whatever.

But also, it's happening. The course of time

is happening. There are things that are put in motion

already.

I feel less and less involved.

Less in control. I definitely don't feel in control. It's more like just a runaway

train. I'm just like, oh, yeah. You gave the suggestion. You're right.

You're like, hey, what if? The more the time goes on. I was like, no, that'd be

stupid. The more the time goes on, I'm like, this is becoming much larger than

this. Did I say that?

I said it. But did I say it? Right.

Yeah. Life is crazy. It's insane that we can talk about

this in total honesty

and truth and say that we don't know if that was the

Spirit or if that was us.

The way that God has intertwined Himself into not only creation as a whole, but

us. Our lives. Oh, my gosh, dude. Wild. Just into

us. I literally just said that, and then the Spirit's like, yeah, I'm in you, dog.

Yeah. And guess what? Indwelling. Hey, buddy.

You know what that means? Temple of the Holy Spirit. Yeah, dude. Amen. That's me,

dog. Yeah. Crazy. Bro. All right. We need to end this episode. Thank you for

listening. Yeah. If you are listening. Thank you, Holy Spirit, for showing up. Yeah.

Thank you. I don't know about you, but I've been praying throughout this. Yeah.

Like, God, would you show up? Yeah. I think you didn't. I don't know.

I'm getting goosebumps.

It's whackadoodle. I love goosebumps. We hope that this has been edifying

and entertaining, that you

feel inclined to be honest and open as

we seek to be with not only

yourself and others, but with the word of God.

And that you walk away with the idea, wow, I've

never seen things like that before. I've never thought of it that way before. I've

never...

Like, maybe in that same moment that we experienced God in this

place, maybe you experienced God. And that's... We

can't cause that. Oh my God, we can't cause that. But you can show up. Yeah. Like,

I feel like a lot of our episodes recently have been us just Jeremiah 29 -ing. Yeah.

Basically just showing up, begging God to show up to you. And if you

pursue Him hard, He'll pursue you. Yeah, absolutely. Intertwined.

Yeah. Right. Completely. Show up, you know. Put your

best effort forward. Like Kenneth Copeland would say, but like

the right way.

And yeah.

I'm sorry, I'm more and more convinced that the mind blowing...

Sorry, I have to curse. Holy [bleep] moments. Sure. There's just no better way to

say that. Okay.

In our day and age. Those... I'm more and more convinced that those

crazy mind blowing moments... That's a way to say it. Sure.

Is the way that we should be reading the Bible. Yeah. Because if we're not

getting to those moments, are we really changing anything in our mind

in a way that will transform us? Yeah. Yeah. That will make you,

like I've been experiencing, go through the week astounded that you have breath in

your lungs, astounded that you have a bowl of...

Oh gosh. Chocolate granola. Sure. For breakfast. Yeah.

And God's just holding that chocolate granola together for you and the milk together

for you and the spoon and the bowl. And he's just shaking his head. That is so

unhealthy. But man does sure tastes good. Don't it?

Yeah. And it's, it's even more mind blowing with when you think about, I'm sorry,

dude, this is God's just infinite. Um, it's more mind blowing. To me

when he allows you to sin, cause he's holding it together. When I,

when I go intentionally to

an altar of sexual idolatry, or

I go to an altar of relational idolatry, or I go to any

of my most famous hits.

They are only held together because God is holding them together.

Thank God I'm still alive.

Sure. I don't understand why he's holding those together. Yeah. Maybe for this very

moment, just the, I mean, maybe, but like the, the, I leaned over, uh,

whisper in your ear while we were at a community, Jason was preaching on, uh,

something and it reminded me of the, old Testament. Um, and like what I remember

from reading through the whole old Testament straight through took me like two

years. Um, is God's most used name or the one

I saw the most was his forbearance. His, uh, his, maybe not forbearance,

but, uh, gosh, what was it? It was a long suffering. That's what it was long

suffering. Yeah. Why does he hold it together? Because he's long suffering

because he's obsessed with us because he loves us and he's willing to endure

the torture that it is to see his creation to the

absolute opposite of what he desires and still

suffer with us. Yeah. Be long suffering, be patient, be willing to be a good

parent and walk us through. Hey, maybe you shouldn't do this because

it hurts. And it's not the way that I built you. All right. But not being that

controlling parent of like, I don't want you to do this thing. So I'm going to let

entropy destroy everything in your house right now. Congrats. Your house

doesn't exist anymore. And also being so long suffering that he

also took the wrath on himself. That's how he could be

long suffering. That's how he can still be long. Which like, if you think about, if

you're in pain, like people think about patient, are you right? You think

about people think about Jesus dying on the cross and how tremendous that suffering

might've been. Think about this God, whom Jesus is God

was long suffering from the beginning of the fall to

now it's about 6 ,000, 7 ,000 years. Of

just enduring the most painful torture.

No one who's ever existed has endured torture of 7 ,000 years.

The only one is God. Yeah. Imagine that. Uh, sin time

traveled and put it in that moment and put all of its

weight on Jesus. Yeah. But that's just the wrath portion. Yeah. That's just the

justice.

The long suffering itself is torture too. I'm sure. Like my mom just told me about a

dream, like a few months ago that she had because I'm a wild child. And,

uh, so her, in her dream world, that's me being a kid standing in the street,

getting run over by a car and her not being able to do anything about it.

But knowing it's coming and like shouting, I don't know if she said this part, but

like shouting at the top of her lungs or like feeling helpless that she can't do

anything about it and the car's coming. He's going to get flattened. Um, I think

there was something redeeming to it, but I can't quite remember. Okay. I'll have to

ask you, um, camera. It was like, I think it was, I got flattened. Yeah. I got

flattened, but then, um, uh, because God was in control, Like he

brought me back to life for it, like sprung back up. Um, kind of like a cartoon,

like I got flattened from top to bottom, like a Coke can and then just

back up, something like that. Um, the story from flat Stanley.

Oh, that's Stanley. I don't know this story. I want to look that up after. Oh,

anyways. Yeah. Um, so I'm go going to back to the, the,

yeah, I don't know where I was going with that. Uh, uh, we need to end this podcast.

I was going to say, this is your reminder that a mother's day is coming up, but

we're releasing this in 10 weeks. So we should have set that 10 weeks ago. Mother's

day is coming up. Yeah. So reminder to you, Michael and you Steve. Right. I

appreciate that. Yeah, you're welcome. I don't think about those days. Yeah. You

need to think about any, thank you to whoever reminded me. Yeah. Great. All right. I

was talking about Jesus, God, long suffering. Then you thought about your mother. I

did think about my mom because she was, uh, she's seeing me long suffering or she's

going through that long suffering because she can't do anything to, or won't do

anything to help me avoid the pain of life and the pain of my own. Decisions.

Um, how much more painful is that for God knowing intimately all the

consequences with how much he loves and how purely he loves,

um, knowing that the concept of love itself is from him, absolute torture, and

it's still going on. Yeah. It's not in my stomach until he comes back. Yeah.

Anyways, um, mind blowing moments. Yeah. That's how we should learn. I think if, uh,

you have any thoughts on that and comments, any, um, anything,

yeah. Additions, comments, any additions, if you have any scripture that you'd like

us to go through in the future, if you have your own, um,

personal struggles that you want to share. Yeah. As far as like what I voiced

of, like, I struggled to understand, like confiding in God, right?

Yeah. So anything like that? Anything we can pray for? Yeah, absolutely. Um, this is

not just a podcast anymore. I'll say anymore. Uh, it, it,

anymore to us, I'll say, uh, God has more things that are going on in the, in behind

the scenes. Um, so this ministry and we seek to,

uh, keep it that way.

Uh, or God will probably take us out. Yeah.

We'll disappear. We'll come, we'll get out of the way. Yeah. Uh, yeah. I'm going to

press out. Cool. And we will be done. Yeah. All right.

Lord, I thank you for this opportunity that you've given to us. Uh, and I pray that

we do not lose sight of the fact that this is an opportunity given to

us. Uh, so, uh, Daniel does all the technical stuff

and buys all the things. And, and though we get up in the morning and

we show up and we set up whatever things that we get and, you know,

we speak into the mics and we post on the social media

and, and, and, and, and to the streaming sites, it's not,

uh, it's not us, uh, the breath in our lungs is not us, the,

the sun rising and setting every single day is not us. It's your

word, us even picking up your word, surely is not us. It is your spirit. It

is your son. It is you, God, that

are, that is,

that is. Um, causing all

good, willing all good and, and giving us everything that we need to

do the things that we're able to do, uh, you give us the knowledge, you give us the

strength and you even give us the willingness and we can have confidence in you

Lord. And I pray that we keep that confidence, uh, and that

if we stray away, which we inevitably will, that you bring us

back. Uh, and we know that, um,

in the end, we will get the opportunity to spend eternity with you in

heaven. And Um, that and that is a wonderful thing. We are

struggling Christians because we're struggling with our sin. We're struggling with

this world. We're struggling with so much. And so Lord, I pray for our audience,

even if it's an audience of three, that we are ministering to

them. That they are struggling with us to

be in your word, to be faithful to you, to be honest with you and with each

other. And Lord, I pray this all in your name. Amen.

All right. Good stuff, dude. Praise God. Boom.

Episode 16. Yes sir.